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4 hours ago, Lobo said:

So taking 30% of a sale price for the Government because the Government agreed not to ban it?  

I'm sorry Biden haters, how is that not precisely the definition of Socialism, exactly?  

That's not socialism it's extortion.

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Socialism is extortion.  
“buy into the collective or suffer under the thumb of the government”.

Trumpers are so much more socialist than they could possibly know.  That they think a tiny middle class tax cut a few years ago during a good economy was worth all this all other shit, that’s the most socialist trait they have.  

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3 hours ago, Rougarou said:
 
 

Yes. The Trump is "tough on China" is nonsense. China needs to be engaged with well thought out strategy not bluster. Of course any strategy would involve our Western allies because the combined economic power is significant. Trump burning the only alliance capable of pressuring China just makes his bluster a fart in the wind.

Anyone that thinks Trump is finally making America respected in the world is a Fucking idiot and should be mocked.

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6 hours ago, Lobo said:

So taking 30% of a sale price for the Government because the Government agreed not to ban it?  

I'm sorry Biden haters, how is that not precisely the definition of Socialism, exactly?  

All they got from Donnie was protection from other guys looking to rip them off. And that's what it's all about. That's what the FBI could never understand.

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Oracle buying U.S. TikTok is pretty fucking weird. Does that make sense to anyone?

 

Oracle is the big tech company most closely associated with the administration and are getting a super valuable asset at a relative bargain that will allow them to harvest monetizable data, so yes. 

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3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Oracle is the big tech company most closely associated with the administration and are getting a super valuable asset at a relative bargain that will allow them to harvest monetizable data, so yes. 

First off: MSFT is most closely associated with the administration. The $10bn JEDI project over AMZN out front shoulda told ya.

Second: Are they, though?

I have heard more than one smart analyst I follow/trust say (maybe cribbed from MSFT themselves), "it's like buying a Tesla but not getting the patented electric motor and only the shell." Sure the user base is worth something, but without the algorithm that China is withholding, it doesn't seem very smart.

And they aren't even announcing as an acquirer but a "trusted partner" which underlines that this is a weird deal for ORCL.

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Microsoft, which had real dollars and a real reputation at stake, is probably lucky to have found a way to gracefully exit this circus. You can see why Satya Nadella was intrigued by the TikTok opportunity, but the moment Microsoft was writing in a blog post that it would “provid[e] proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury”, it should have known it was time to pull the plug. This isn’t a normal President, and this wasn’t a normal deal

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15 hours ago, Rougarou said:

First off: MSFT is most closely associated with the administration. The $10bn JEDI project over AMZN out front shoulda told ya.

Second: Are they, though?

I have heard more than one smart analyst I follow/trust say (maybe cribbed from MSFT themselves), "it's like buying a Tesla but not getting the patented electric motor and only the shell." Sure the user base is worth something, but without the algorithm that China is withholding, it doesn't seem very smart.

And they aren't even announcing as an acquirer but a "trusted partner" which underlines that this is a weird deal for ORCL.

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Lol. Your first premise is fucking absurd. Microsoft isn't "closely associated" because they got JEDI. They got Jedi because Donald Trump fucking hates Jeff Bezos and the Washington Post, and that has been confirmed multiple times by people involved. Amazon Cloud should have that business. Using that to make a case for Microsoft being close to the Trump Administration is fucking stupid. Do Bill Gates and Donald Trump seem aligned on anything? Gates just happens to be lower on the list than Bezos.

Ellison is a pro trump guy. He probably accepted this shitbird deal to save some of Trump's face. 

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40 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Lol. Your first premise is fucking absurd. Microsoft isn't "closely associated" because they got JEDI. They got Jedi because Donald Trump fucking hates Jeff Bezos and the Washington Post, and that has been confirmed multiple times by people involved. Amazon Cloud should have that business. Using that to make a case for Microsoft being close to the Trump Administration is fucking stupid. Do Bill Gates and Donald Trump seem aligned on anything? Gates just happens to be lower on the list than Bezos.

Ellison is a pro trump guy. He probably accepted this shitbird deal to save some of Trump's face. 

Yea okay, I see that you are correct. MSFT is a friend of my enemy is a friend type close with Trump's org and Satya has gone through great lengths to not be a critic of Trump. I guess "closely associated" was poor characterization and word choice when obviously Ellison is a vocal Trumper.

That said, Oracle is a second tier technology firm who is on the innovation and reputation downswing of enterprise software compared to MSFT or AMZN, so I guess they can afford to be more cavalier and honest in their outwardly facing politics. It's weird to me they bought the technology without the algorithm, but who knows, maybe the gigantic user base will stick around with an ersatz user experience and they can make hay out of this somehow.

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7 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Trump blocking new downloads of TikTok starting on Sunday. I haven't bothered to download it before but this makes me want to. I assume that Trump can force/pressure Apple and Google to take the app of the app stores but I would guess it's something else to get the ISP to block traffic.

I dont see how they can enforce either option right now. I wouldn't be surprised for them to try the Great Firewall option though. Blocking Tik Tok would just be getting the camel's nose in the tent as far as government control of traffic.  Then, after the election, they can go after the BBC, UN, and others as they consolidate power and clamp down on opposition speech. 

Also, Oracle buying it is a bad move for Oracle. The only companies who do these types of buyouts that know how to maintain the user base are facebook and Google.  And even they fail sometimes. Users will flee OracleTok in droves. There are already growing alternatives. 

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So the House has passed a bill that could potentially ban TikTok in the US. Chuck Schumer is non-committal on what the Senate will do with regard to this legislation. Personally, I could care less about the app itself. If it went away tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. My kids, and their peers, however. Oy vey. This seems like potentially dangerous policy for the Democrats in a monumental election year like 2024. Thoughts?

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2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

What is the argument against TikTok?

TikTok has repeatedly been targeted by lawmakers seeking to restrict the app over concerns that the Chinese government could force ByteDance to hand over the data of its 170 million American users. Lawmakers say the concern is warranted because Chinese national security laws require organizations to cooperate with intelligence gathering. 

"Americans need to ask themselves whether they want to give the Chinese government the ability to control access to their data, whether they want to give the Chinese government the ability to control the information they get through the recommendation algorithm," FBI Director Christopher Wray told House Intelligence Committee members on Tuesday, adding that the Chinese government could compromise Americans' devices through the software. 

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4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

What is the argument against TikTok?

Something like this:

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TikTok misread years of signals from politicians that they intended to ban the app, according to Paul Barrett, deputy director of New York University's Stern Center for Business and Human Rights.

"Faced with persistent bipartisan suspicion in the US, ByteDance and the Chinese government should have read the political signals more astutely and spun off TikTok as a stand-alone American company," Barrett said.

"A broad U.S. ban would inhibit Americans from using TikTok to express themselves — an outcome that would limit free speech and make no one happy," he continued.

More context: Lawmakers supportive of the bill have argued TikTok poses a national security threat because the Chinese government could use its intelligence laws against ByteDance, forcing it to hand over the data of US app users.

TikTok has called the legislation an attack on the constitutional right to freedom of expression for its users. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

yeah, I'm in the camp that if you don't do your research on the apps you use, that's on you.

Do you really think genz/millennials do research for social media aps? especially the "hot" one all their friends are using

 

 

30 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

‘Could’

and no one is forcing you to download tiktok and use the app

True but it has over 170 million users in the US right now and watching all this on tv, there was a graph that showed 2 years ago 23% of people under 25 got their news off tiktok, now its 45%.

I'm showing my age but I'm just amazed at how younger people don't care about their personal info being out there. Its 100% guarantee that the CCP has a "file" on every US users filled with data about them, yes many US companies do as well but there is a huge difference between them a foreign adversarial country 

IMO the bigger concern is steering news/information to users, their algorithm can be skewed to hide certain views or news story and prop up others

I guess it boils down to are American citizens ok with China influencing their children? Personally I think all social media tiktok/twitter/insta and everything else like should be shit down but I don't see that happening

 

22 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Giving your data to American companies is ok though, right?

See above 

 

One of the tv anchors mentioned a similar thing happened with grindr a few years and the parent company divested to a US company and as far as user go, nothing changed for them.

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34 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

‘Could’

and no one is forcing you to download tiktok and use the app

 If you have a Pixel you don't need to download the app, works fine in chrome so long as you request desktop site.

 

Appears to be broken on iphone

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I personally like TikTok.  It's not free anymore.  It's littered with a lot of sponsored ads and also has its own marketplace started so TikTok content providers can get commissions on things they promote. 

Zuckerberg tried to pull the TT people into @threads.  Hasn't been successful so far.  

Interesting side note is that Trump has decided TikTok is ok now, since Jeff Yass has decided to pony up some money for TFG.  Yass holds about 30% of ByteDance (over $15 billion valuation), which owns TikTok.   Yass is the guy who gave Abbott 6.25 million to primary all the anti-voucher Republicans.   I am guessing there's a financial/political move here.  It is interesting that this has sprung from the Red controlled house.  

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7 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I personally like TikTok.  It's not free anymore.  It's littered with a lot of sponsored ads and also has its own marketplace started so TikTok content providers can get commissions on things they promote. 

Zuckerberg tried to pull the TT people into @threads.  Hasn't been successful so far.  

Interesting side note is that Trump has decided TikTok is ok now, since Jeff Yass has decided to pony up some money for TFG.  Yass holds about 30% of ByteDance (over $15 billion valuation), which owns TikTok.   Yass is the guy who gave Abbott 6.25 million to primary all the anti-voucher Republicans.   I am guessing there's a financial/political move here.  It is interesting that this has sprung from the Red controlled house.  

You have your associations off

TikTok = Reels (Instagram & Facebook)

Twitter/X = Threads

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9 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I personally like TikTok.  It's not free anymore.  It's littered with a lot of sponsored ads and also has its own marketplace started so TikTok content providers can get commissions on things they promote. 

Zuckerberg tried to pull the TT people into @threads.  Hasn't been successful so far.  

Interesting side note is that Trump has decided TikTok is ok now, since Jeff Yass has decided to pony up some money for TFG.  Yass holds about 30% of ByteDance (over $15 billion valuation), which owns TikTok.   Yass is the guy who gave Abbott 6.25 million to primary all the anti-voucher Republicans.   I am guessing there's a financial/political move here.  It is interesting that this has sprung from the Red controlled house.  

wut? If TT is now a pro Republican tool (Trump/Yass/Abbott) then why is the Republican House against TT?

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Is there not a first amendment argument to be made against this bill? Tik Tok is the forum where my Gen Z colleagues use for news and political discussion. I don't like the idea of shutting down a forum for free speech because it "might be a national security threat". Where do you draw the line?

I remember Joe Jamail calling us terrorists because we talked about tearing down his statue if Mack Brown wasn't fired. Could we be next on the chopping block? 

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8 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Is there not a first amendment argument to be made against this bill? Tik Tok is the forum where my Gen Z colleagues use for news and political discussion. I don't like the idea of shutting down a forum for free speech because it "might be a national security threat". Where do you draw the line?

 

There is, and Senate Commerce Chair Maria Cantwell is going to look into that closely.  It's going to sit in committee for a while, I'm guessing.

Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, which would have a key role in the measure passing in the Senate, said she’s examining provisions to ensure that they meet the free-speech threshold.

“I’m very concerned about foreign adversaries’ exploitation of Americans’ sensitive data and their attempts to build backdoors in our information communication technology and services supply chains,” Cantwell said in an email, referring to broader concerns about China’s efforts. “These are national security threats and it is good [that] members in both chambers are taking them seriously. I will be talking to my Senate and House colleagues to try to find a path forward that is constitutional and protects civil liberties.” 

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1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

You have your associations off

TikTok = Reels (Instagram & Facebook)

Twitter/X = Threads

That is generally right, but a fair amount of politically driven content providers were trying to move their audience from TikTok to Threads.  This was back before IG got more into the reels, like last July/August.  Texas Paul was one of them.  

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55 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

 Tik Tok is the forum where my Gen Z colleagues use for news and political discussion.

 

that's the problem, its not a news source, its a foreign owned entity that has the ability to limit what you do and don't see based on their political agenda. Do you trust china and its buddy russia not interfere with the upcoming election by manipulating their algorithm? If you thought 2020 was bad just wait

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1 hour ago, HRSchenker said:

Is there not a first amendment argument to be made against this bill? Tik Tok is the forum where my Gen Z colleagues use for news and political discussion. I don't like the idea of shutting down a forum for free speech because it "might be a national security threat". Where do you draw the line?

I remember Joe Jamail calling us terrorists because we talked about tearing down his statue if Mack Brown wasn't fired. Could we be next on the chopping block? 

Currently having a heated discussion with someone who normally aligns with me on subjects like this. He absolutely wants to get rid of it.

I strongly distrust the Chinese connection and I don't use the app. Also get off my lawn. But it is my opinion this law will have chilling 1A implications.

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18 minutes ago, Walser said:

Currently having a heated discussion with someone who normally aligns with me on subjects like this. He absolutely wants to get rid of it.

I strongly distrust the Chinese connection and I don't use the app. Also get off my lawn. But it is my opinion this law will have chilling 1A implications.

so what if China knows your tiktok habits? As long as there is no virus which can siphon your bank account, what's the harm?

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that's the problem, its not a news source, its a foreign owned entity that has the ability to limit what you do and don't see based on their political agenda. Do you trust china and its buddy russia not interfere with the upcoming election by manipulating their algorithm? If you thought 2020 was bad just wait

what about FOX? 

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TikTok is owned by the PRC and not even allowed in the PRC.  It sent out push notifications to every user with the contact info for their congressional rep and directions to call them— despite claiming that it doesn’t geolocate users. That’s why it needs to fucking go.
 

Fuck TikTok. There is no 1st amendment right to get brainwashed by the PRC. 

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