EPL 2020-21

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

12 minutes ago, Bone3421 said:

Southampton red 2 mins in....

Mike Dean gonna Mike Dean.

[alincoln 2381]

Extremely controversial red for sure

[WBT 20615]

Errbody down to 9 men today

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

terrible red

not that it matters, this game was long gone and soton aren't going to europe

[Captain Ron 12883]

I'm curious to see what you guys are bitching about on yesterday's red card calls. I don't see anything that says they shouldn't be red cards. I want to know what was so terrible against them.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

7 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

I'm curious to see what you guys are bitching about on yesterday's red card calls. I don't see anything that says they shouldn't be red cards. I want to know what was so terrible against them.

That David Luiz call was pretty bad. I understand the pen, but red seems a bit harsh.

[yoladu 4094]

1 hour ago, Captain Ron said:

I'm curious to see what you guys are bitching about on yesterday's red card calls. I don't see anything that says they shouldn't be red cards. I want to know what was so terrible against them.

re: Southampton. I swallowed my tongue after the Villa game last Saturday and just said: "hey sometimes, VAR doesn't go your way".  But couple those two calls at Villa with the two that occurred in the ManU game (as well as both matches involving Mike Dean and Lee Mason), and my temperament is being tested.

no excuse for 9-0, but one could argue the scoreline could have been more like 6-1 with some decent refereeing.

Edited February 3, 2021 by yoladu

[Dutch 4474]

2 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

I'm curious to see what you guys are bitching about on yesterday's red card calls. I don't see anything that says they shouldn't be red cards. I want to know what was so terrible against them.

 

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

That David Luiz call was pretty bad. I understand the pen, but red seems a bit harsh.

Stating my bias upfront as an Arsenal fan, but a red is very harsh. Luiz was chasing the striker, whose heel ran into Luiz' knee.  Like all futbol players, said striker immediately went down like he had been hit with a .30-06 round from a 1903 Springfield (or perhaps .303 from a Lee Enfield is a more appropriate metaphor for an EPL match). I can see a penalty being awarded, as contact did occur in the box.  Iffy, but yes there was contact on a player in possession in the area. A straight red though? The contact wasn't "careless, reckless, or excessively forceful" as the rulebook defines.  Luiz didn't attempt to tackle him from behind (though perhaps he should in the future, if "running" generates the same result). I also think Luiz' history of red cards factored into the ref's decision.  "Oh him again? Yeah, red."

Then as noted above, the first Southampton red was very iffy as well. 

[Captain Ron 12883]

One thing I didn't realize/forgot was that the denial of scoring opportunity rule was relaxed. Incidental contact doesn't incur the automatic red.

That should wipe out the Luiz red and potentially the 2nd Southampton one (though I can see an argument). The problem is the position of the ref, who probably saw this and thought Luiz clipped him intentionally and didn't see how minor the contact was. This didn't come via VAR mind you:

https://goalbackup.xyz/FuszC8eC

I gotta ask how anyone thinking studs up into a knee is not a red card though.

https://streamable.com/xh87gy

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

11 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

I gotta ask how anyone thinking studs up into a knee is not a red card though.

Nah. That's a clear red.

[MoJames 8244]

So best player at Arsenal that left Chelsea past their prime.

David Luiz

Willians

Cech

I think I'd have to go with Cech simply based on awful results by the other two.

Ok now best player at Chelsea who left Arsenal.

Ashley Cole

Cesc

Giroud

Obviously Cole is an all-timer, but the other two have been top notch adds.

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Very boring first half ... scoreless Villa-Hammers is representative of the lack of opportunity, or honestly a lot of creativity.

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Well, shit.

10 minutes into the second half, two West Ham goals.  Villa just not looking good anywhere on the pitch.

[alincoln 2381]

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Nah. That's a clear red.

It almost appears that he was trying to get sent off immediately. Reminiscent of Gerrard's 38 second red

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Ollie with an 81st minute goal ... but honestly, West Ham have been the better side all day.  

...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Martinez should've stopped that one.  3-1 WHU in the 83rd.  Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

2 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Reminiscent of Gerrard's 38 second red

One of my favorite things, Stevie's Heat Map:

 

[SimonBolivar 10958]

There's quite a bit of separation between 17 and 18 right now.

[yoladu 4094]

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Nah. That's a clear red.

yeah, that is a clear red. No complaints at all. Stupid and rash from Jankewitz or whatever his name is. First PL start and he gets a straight red in the 2nd minute.

i think Dutch was referring to the second red on Bednarek, which was very similar to the Ruiz one. Bednarek was actively trying to avoid contact with Martial and Martial dove and created the contact from behind.

Mike Dean deemed it a penalty, and a straight red because Bednarek was not "playing the ball". Yeah, no shit, he was trying to avoid contact. This was after Dean had the luxury of watching Martial dive in slow motion on the monitor.

 

[yoladu 4094]

43 minutes ago, alincoln said:

It almost appears that he was trying to get sent off immediately. Reminiscent of Gerrard's 38 second red

some are speculating that he was trying to get sent off.

i had never heard of him until two week ago when it was announced he put in a transfer request because he wasnt getting any PL playing time. I dont think this guy had even made the bench before yesterday. That is how depleted Southampton is right now.

Southampton had denied his transfer request and reportedly he was pretty angry about it. Way to impress, eh?

whether he did or didn't mean it, will probably never know for sure.

[shadow_operative 15932]

i'm not a conspiracy theorist, and this isn't my graphic, so it wasn't my choice to include Spurs in this post, but still- it's so fucking aggravating watching Arsenal attract red cards like mad. it doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

also, how are we to make any sense of the rules when VAR works like this:

https://streamable.com/h70l1s

[Captain Ron 12883]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative said:

also, how are we to make any sense of the rules when VAR works like this:

https://streamable.com/h70l1s

But your comparing a call that went to VAR vs one that didn’t. 

The Brighton-ManU one has no context. What came before that a foul call or no?

Finally, these are very different plays. Accident or not, Luiz committed a foul. That Brighton player looks like he’s taking a dive on his play. 

[yoladu 4094]

17 hours ago, yoladu said:

yeah, that is a clear red. No complaints at all. Stupid and rash from Jankewitz or whatever his name is. First PL start and he gets a straight red in the 2nd minute.

i think Dutch was referring to the second red on Bednarek, which was very similar to the Ruiz one. Bednarek was actively trying to avoid contact with Martial and Martial dove and created the contact from behind.

Mike Dean deemed it a penalty, and a straight red because Bednarek was not "playing the ball". Yeah, no shit, he was trying to avoid contact. This was after Dean had the luxury of watching Martial dive in slow motion on the monitor.

 

for those following along..

https://theathletic.com/news/southampton-bednarek-appeal-newcastle/qCHGJxs59Zjd

Southampton successfully appeal Bednarek red card

(does Southampton get the 3 goals back that we're scored against them while playing with 9 players after the erroneous sending off?)

 

***Article also mentions that Arsenal's appeal on the David Luiz sending off was not accepted. Sorry Gunners.

Edited February 4, 2021 by yoladu

[yoladu 4094]

double post.

Edited February 4, 2021 by yoladu

[shadow_operative 15932]

welp, that's less than ideal. dope pass Cedric. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

also, how many boyhood Arsenal fans are going to score against us?

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Well this is a nice way to start a weekend... at least so far.

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Getting kind of physical here... ref letting a lot go uncalled, and I prefer that to the every-touch-is-a-foul alternative.

[RamjetFDO 10577]

Wow. First league double over Arse in 38 years. This has been a solid season so far. 1-nil to the Villa.

[Captain Ron 12883]

Hey! Southampton scored! Now their aggregate across their last 3 games is 12-1

 

 

[WBT 20615]

That was a great 1st touch and finish by Minamino

[Jive Turkey 12617]

10 minutes ago, WBT said:

That was a great 1st touch and finish by Minamino

could have used some of that at Liverpool if he ever got to play.

[midtown 3346]

More red cards.   SH down 3-2 with NEW playing a man down.  This could get interesting

[WBT 20615]

That was another great goal for Southampton's 2nd on the free kick from Ward-Prowse

And here's the Minamino goal

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by WBT

[Jive Turkey 12617]

39 minutes ago, midtown said:

More red cards.   SH down 3-2 with NEW playing a man down.  This could get interesting

this would be quite a hold for Newcastle if they hang on.  lots of extra time though.

[Jive Turkey 12617]

FYI - Newcastle is down to 9 men.  Schar is off injured.  out of subs.

[WBT 20615]

1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

FYI - Newcastle is down to 9 men.  Schar is off injured.  out of subs.

Yeah, kind of crazy that they had 2 injury subs in the 1st half and then had the 3rd injury after they had used the 3rd sub.  But they still held on.

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

huge for castle

[ztejas 43475]

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

huge for castle

Yep. 11 out of 18th now - even if Fulham somehow won their next 2 they'd still be 5 clear of the relegation zone.

[InkaUtexas 25986]

Always loved Newcastle. Good win for them. 

[Jive Turkey 12617]

24 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Always loved Newcastle. Good win for them. 

me too.  partly because of the beer, partly because of Alan Shearer.  it's good having them up.

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

this is going to be a smash/grab for ham

fulham can't finish for shit

[ztejas 43475]

5 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

this is going to be a smash/grab for ham

fulham can't finish for shit

Hah. I haven't heard that. Is that when you get 1 on the board and then park it?

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

That was some horse shit. Fuck Mike Dean.

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[yoladu 4094]

Fuck Mike Dean. 
 

Fuck Lee Mason, as well. 

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

rashford cross was never more than 10 feet off the ground.  extremely difficult to do with velocity and precise delivery on a driven ball with swerve.

we should test all kids playing soccer at ages 8, 10 & 12 to find the 1% of the 1% on this skill, and you will find your 1000 national candidates who might go on to develop spatial awareness and close control.

[MoJames 8244]

Fuck Mike Dean. 
 
Fuck Lee Mason, as well. 

This. Don't know what happened but I agree.

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

player raised his arm and elbowed defender's face but it did not look intentional.  called to the letter of the law.  glad pool wasn't involved.  on-brand for prem refs 20/21.

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

fucking scum.  that was sublime.

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

maguire fucked that up before de ge gea botched