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why does mensa always have so many injuries on his teams? a freshman wr, non-contact acl tear during practice is on the coaches. you have to teach an 18 yr old to not make hard cuts if his legs are fa

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herman seems to consistently have a lot of injuries on his teams year after year.  

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11 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

I don't watch other teams and I'm not going to try and find examples of other teams doing this - it's not exactly highlight material.  

I do know for a fact that some kickers are taught to kick it higher in the air in favor of distance hoping some idiot (maybe you) on the other team will not fair catch.

Considering our ST track record over the past decade, I find it hard to argue with the more conservative approach. 
 

I’d rather see more emphasis placed on our punt return fair catch / clearing out decision making process.

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1 hour ago, Bevo VIII said:

I’ll always take the chance of being able to start near midfield over netting 5-10 yards and completely eliminating the other chance. We’re the only team I see consistently doing this as well. If you have other examples I’ll be glad to see them. But as far as I know we seem to do this more than any.

Do you know why fans got so excited when a kick return went to midfield?  Because it very rarely happened.  Do you know why you still remember the Shipley return for a TD against OU?  Because it happens even less.  Quan Cosby was arguably the most prolific KR in Longhorn history as the all-time leader in kick return yards with 1,731.  He returned a kickoff for a touchdown once in his career out of 73 opportunities.  He averaged 23.7 yards.  Second on the list of yards is D.J. Monroe with 1,621 return yards.  He returned 3 for touchdowns out of 69 opportunities.  3 is the record in that category.  Monroe averaged 25 yards.  Are you getting the picture yet.  If you catch a ball inside the 5, you will likely make it to the 25.  I'd rather my team get there without taking the chance of injury and/or turnover.

If you think Texas is the only team that consistently does it, you haven't watched much college football over the last two years.  Or you weren't really paying attention.  I'll go with the latter based on your insight.  Just last night, BYU kicked off 10 times and Navy attempted a return twice.  And averaged 10 yards.  But you know better, I'm sure.

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12 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Some of them will sing, some will just mill around the field for a bit or head into the locker room early, and no one but the most rockheaded trolls will care that much.

we’ll find out real quick who the team guys are and who the “me” guys are, that’s for sure. 

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49 minutes ago, ousux said:

Ok, so when Psvue bit the dust we switched to Hulu+ which doesnt have LHN, whats my best bet for watching the handjobbers game?

Best and easiest way(especially since you won’t have to worry about a stream crashing) is to download to ESPN app and find someone who has a “cable” log in and use theres. I’m sure you know someone that has one. Doesn’t cost them anything. I use my brothers all the time 

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Scipio Tex: My 2020 Gotta Prove Its

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There are some athletes that Texas needs to step up for the 2020 season to maximize. Their challenges range from inexperience to fit to health to focus and mindset. If some of the players on this list surprise you, sometimes you have to square hype with reality.

Brennan Eagles

The UTEP depth chart listing him behind Tarik Black at X surprised me not at all. It's a positive example of the Longhorn coaches reinforcing a standard. What Eagles chooses to do with that feedback is up to him. I've been the voice of caution on Eagles and will remain so until I see otherwise. Despite the relative experience and obvious physical gifts that scream #1 receiver, he has shown a lack of focus and consistency, on and off of the field. Last year, Eagles had five games where he totaled 19 catches for 408 yards and 6 TDs. In seven other appearances, he totaled 13 catches for 144 yards and no scores. A #3 deep threat wide receiver should see variance, but some of those no-shows occurred when Johnson was out or limited and Duvernay was playing hurt. The last time we saw Brennan Eagles play ball, he had 2 catches for 4 yards against a broken Utah secondary. He'll get his snaps and plenty of play. I think the coaches are looking for buy-in.

Caden Sterns

Surprised? Don't be. His 2020 preseason All Big 12 selection was won by freshman reputation and name recognition, not by his sophomore play. Sterns has demonstrated great lateral range, instincts, and the ability to play the ball in the air, which is precisely what we want from an Ash center fielder, but he needs to tackle better, be more assertive, and get tougher mentally. There are more proven commodities at safety in the Big 12 and this is a Gotta Prove It year, no matter what the media opine. Prior coaching certainly didn't help his cause and we'll see if his new on-field role solves some of his issues. The opportunity suits him perfectly. Time to deliver.

Demarvion Overshown

He's unquestionably a football player, but poor counselors in his ear and a lack of focus and self-awareness are the primary challenges for him to meet his potential. Texas needs a linebacker with range who can fill the box score and elevate team quickness. DMO fits the bill. But he's a kitten in a room full of laser pointers. He needs a spotlight and focus. This cat can kill a lot of rats if he can get his head right.

Josh Thompson

The coaches are convinced that he can be a dominant press man corner. Based on raw physical attributes, you can see why. I'm not sure I'm convinced. I'm not sure Thompson is either. Straight line speed at over 200+ pounds is a good start. But great feet, the ability to play the ball in the air, recovery quickness and loose hips are the rest of the race. If UTEP isn't good enough to show us, Texas Tech will be. I'm pulling for him. Seeing a light turn on late at a new position is one of the most satisfying things in college sports.

Christian Jones/Denzel Okafor

These Gotta Prove Its are purely about the OL coming into their own. They're interesting contrasts. Jones is the classic raw late to football athlete who is still learning the game. Okafor has been around the program forever, has had very rocky moments (for which he was ill prepared and miscast), had some encouraging snaps last year (particularly in the run game at guard), and now has the opportunity to find his best use. A lot is riding on their growth. Be patient and hang in there with them.

Juwan Mitchell

He has lost weight, looks great, and is moving around well. He has a formidable DL in front of him to keep him clean. Can he show that he's more than just an A gap blitzer who can be schemed out of the game or will he be a complete linebacker who can clean up trash, scrape, pursue, demonstrate fit discipline, and get some good drops in the passing game?

Jordan Whittington

This is purely about health. A hernia has plagued him since his junior year of high school (hopefully now addressed) and that's responsible for his downstream soft tissue injuries. He needs to rebalance and strengthen his body. A matter of time, conditioning, and usage volume. He's gotta prove the most important ability: availability.

Joshua Moore

Pretty straightforward. The coaches put their necks out on the line for Moore and he needs to repay them. He has real traits that this receiving corps needs. I love a big receiver. I love receivers that separate even more. Moore can separate.

 

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Do you know why fans got so excited when a kick return went to midfield?  Because it very rarely happened.  Do you know why you still remember the Shipley return for a TD against OU?  Because it happens even less.  Quan Cosby was arguably the most prolific KR in Longhorn history as the all-time leader in kick return yards with 1,731.  He returned a kickoff for a touchdown once in his career out of 73 opportunities.  He averaged 23.7 yards.  Second on the list of yards is D.J. Monroe with 1,621 return yards.  He returned 3 for touchdowns out of 69 opportunities.  3 is the record in that category.  Monroe averaged 25 yards.  Are you getting the picture yet.  If you catch a ball inside the 5, you will likely make it to the 25.  I'd rather my team get there without taking the chance of injury and/or turnover.
If you think Texas is the only team that consistently does it, you haven't watched much college football over the last two years.  Or you weren't really paying attention.  I'll go with the latter based on your insight.  Just last night, BYU kicked off 10 times and Navy attempted a return twice.  And averaged 10 yards.  But you know better, I'm sure.

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Only 12% fair caught so yeah hardly ever.

Looking for 2019 numbers to see how it differed in year 2 of the rule.
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2 hours ago, Bevo VIII said:

I’ll always take the chance of being able to start near midfield over netting 5-10 yards and completely eliminating the other chance. We’re the only team I see consistently doing this as well. If you have other examples I’ll be glad to see them. But as far as I know we seem to do this more than any.

You’re math is wrong. Go find teams that start with field position better than the 25 off of kickoffs. It’s not a long list. Kickoffs rarely if ever get returned long and the chance of a fumble basically negates the small reward you’re talking about. 

2 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

3-3-5 with an oft-injured 217 pound player at 1 of the starting linebacker roles. 
 

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We don’t run a 3-3-5. Ossai is an edge defender. 

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Scipio Tex: My 2020 Gotta Prove Its

There are some athletes that Texas needs to step up for the 2020 season to maximize. Their challenges range from inexperience to fit to health to focus and mindset. If some of the players on this list surprise you, sometimes you have to square hype with reality.

Brennan Eagles

The UTEP depth chart listing him behind Tarik Black at X surprised me not at all. It's a positive example of the Longhorn coaches reinforcing a standard. What Eagles chooses to do with that feedback is up to him. I've been the voice of caution on Eagles and will remain so until I see otherwise. Despite the relative experience and obvious physical gifts that scream #1 receiver, he has shown a lack of focus and consistency, on and off of the field. Last year, Eagles had five games where he totaled 19 catches for 408 yards and 6 TDs. In seven other appearances, he totaled 13 catches for 144 yards and no scores. A #3 deep threat wide receiver should see variance, but some of those no-shows occurred when Johnson was out or limited and Duvernay was playing hurt. The last time we saw Brennan Eagles play ball, he had 2 catches for 4 yards against a broken Utah secondary. He'll get his snaps and plenty of play. I think the coaches are looking for buy-in.

Caden Sterns

Surprised? Don't be. His 2020 preseason All Big 12 selection was won by freshman reputation and name recognition, not by his sophomore play. Sterns has demonstrated great lateral range, instincts, and the ability to play the ball in the air, which is precisely what we want from an Ash center fielder, but he needs to tackle better, be more assertive, and get tougher mentally. There are more proven commodities at safety in the Big 12 and this is a Gotta Prove It year, no matter what the media opine. Prior coaching certainly didn't help his cause and we'll see if his new on-field role solves some of his issues. The opportunity suits him perfectly. Time to deliver.

Demarvion Overshown

He's unquestionably a football player, but poor counselors in his ear and a lack of focus and self-awareness are the primary challenges for him to meet his potential. Texas needs a linebacker with range who can fill the box score and elevate team quickness. DMO fits the bill. But he's a kitten in a room full of laser pointers. He needs a spotlight and focus. This cat can kill a lot of rats if he can get his head right.

Josh Thompson

The coaches are convinced that he can be a dominant press man corner. Based on raw physical attributes, you can see why. I'm not sure I'm convinced. I'm not sure Thompson is either. Straight line speed at over 200+ pounds is a good start. But great feet, the ability to play the ball in the air, recovery quickness and loose hips are the rest of the race. If UTEP isn't good enough to show us, Texas Tech will be. I'm pulling for him. Seeing a light turn on late at a new position is one of the most satisfying things in college sports.

Christian Jones/Denzel Okafor

These Gotta Prove Its are purely about the OL coming into their own. They're interesting contrasts. Jones is the classic raw late to football athlete who is still learning the game. Okafor has been around the program forever, has had very rocky moments (for which he was ill prepared and miscast), had some encouraging snaps last year (particularly in the run game at guard), and now has the opportunity to find his best use. A lot is riding on their growth. Be patient and hang in there with them.

Juwan Mitchell

He has lost weight, looks great, and is moving around well. He has a formidable DL in front of him to keep him clean. Can he show that he's more than just an A gap blitzer who can be schemed out of the game or will he be a complete linebacker who can clean up trash, scrape, pursue, demonstrate fit discipline, and get some good drops in the passing game?

Jordan Whittington

This is purely about health. A hernia has plagued him since his junior year of high school (hopefully now addressed) and that's responsible for his downstream soft tissue injuries. He needs to rebalance and strengthen his body. A matter of time, conditioning, and usage volume. He's gotta prove the most important ability: availability.

Joshua Moore

Pretty straightforward. The coaches put their necks out on the line for Moore and he needs to repay them. He has real traits that this receiving corps needs. I love a big receiver. I love receivers that separate even more. Moore can separate.

100% Agree with Scipio on every player listed... Especially the final comment on Caden -- "Time to Deliver" !!

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:


The ousux fans in a cfb discord I’m in say that okie lite has had 60+ positive cases

"Reports say Tulsa was program with too many Covid cases...

Oklahoma State postponed their season opener against Tulsa one week because of COVID-19.

The opening week of Big 12 games suffered another blow on Monday night with the postponement of Oklahoma State’s season opener against Tulsa.  It was Tulsa who officially announced the postponement of the game, which was originally scheduled for Saturday, Sept. 12.  While they were able to start training camp back in August, the Golden Hurricane had to take nine days off from practicing because of multiple positive COVID-19 tests.  

“Without time to properly prepare physically we would be putting our student-athletes at a greater risk of injury,” Tulsa athletic director Dr. Derrick Gragg said.

Oklahoma State and Tulsa hope to play on Sept. 19 instead.

According to Tulsa, they only managed seven practices in 17 days. Delaying the game by a week will give them more time to catch up on their physical readiness.  However, you have to wonder if even that’s enough time. Over the next 12 days, they could hope to practice another 10 times. That would give them just 17 practices in preparation for the 2020 season. Most schools complete 25 practices across training camp before the season begins.

Oklahoma State hasn’t been immune from complications due to COVID-19 either. They reported seven active cases on the football team on Monday. That’s up from just two cases from the reporting period at the end of August.

https://fansided.com/2020/09/07/oklahoma-states-season-opener-postponed-due-covid-19/

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B12 Nears Kickoff With Games Not Being Played Stark Reminder

By STEPHEN HAWKINS - 9 hrs ago

With most Big 12 teams getting ready to play season openers this weekend, Commissioner Bob Bowlsby feels good about where the league is and confident that the best job is being done to ensure the safety of players, coaches and anyone else associated with the games.

But the games that won't be played this weekend provide a stark reminder of the uncertainty of trying to play a season amid COVID-19.

A virus outbreak will keep TCU from playing its opener against SMU. That game had already been postponed before Oklahoma State announced late Monday that its opener against Tulsa was being pushed back a week, with the opposing Golden Hurricane still recovering from multiple positive tests.

“This is not a time when you can state with any sort of veracity that you’re going to play all of your games,” Bowlsby said Monday. “We could find ourselves in the same situation that the Big Ten and the Pac-12 are in later in the season. I’m not prepared to have any bravado about it whatsoever.”

While the Big Ten, Pac-12 and most lower-level conferences opted not to play this fall, the Big 12 went forward with a reduced 10-game schedule that includes one non-conference game. The ACC this week starts an 11-game schedule that includes one nonconference game, and the SEC plans to open its conference-only 10-game slate Sept. 26.

“We’re just doing what we’re told and we’re taking it slow and we’re making small adjustments, and we’re listening to people that are the best professionals. That’s all we can do,” Bowlsby said. “As of (now), we’re still playing games, and that’s a good thing. But how far down the path that goes is anybody’s guess.”

The season also comes at a time when college athletes across the country have added their voices to calls for an end to racial injustice after a summer of social unrest.

Bowlsby said the Big 12 this week is debuting an anti-racism, anti-hate campaign, and has engaged in conversations with the chief diversity officers from each campus. The league assembled a Black student council with one male and female student-athlete from each school.

Big 12 football teams, at their discretion and with approval from the commissioner, can place a patch with a social justice message on the front of their jerseys. The back of each helmet will have a Big 12 sticker that says “Unity.”

The commissioner also described as an "ongoing topic" some discussions about teams being on the field during the national anthem, which traditionally has not been the case when marching bands were on the field for pregame performances.

“This year will be a little different because on an institution-by-institution basis we'll be make decisions as to how the anthem is performed,” Bowlsby said. “There's a fair amount of institutional latitude. ... We certainly have the expectation that there will be representations of the feelings of student-athletes in a variety of ways. ”

TCU was supposed to host SMU on Friday night in the league's first game before of cluster of Horned Frogs players and team support staff tested positive for the novel coronavirus. That announcement last Friday, a week before the scheduled game, came about the same time the league revealed that a minimum 53-player roster would be necessary to play a game, and had to include at least seven offensive linemen, four defensive linemen and one quarterback.

Bowlsby said Monday that he fully expected that the Frogs wouldn't be the only Big 12 team to have to postpone a game this season. Hours later, Oklahoma State pushed back its scheduled Saturday opener a week to Sept. 19.

Tulsa athletic officials said their team had a nine-day pause because of multiple tests and were limited to seven practices in 17 days after preseason camp opened Aug. 7.

Without going into detail, TCU coach Gary Patterson said Monday that he wasn't comfortable where his team was in terms of numbers at some position groups. The Horned Frogs and SMU don't currently have common open dates during the scheduled regular season.

“We wanted to make sure for safety reasons and also to be able to move forward,” Patterson said. “If it was going to happen, something like this, it was better to happen here at the beginning before you got in the middle of the season.”

Texas Tech had about 20 players away from practice at the same time last month after they tested positive for COVID-19, plus an unspecified number of additional players being isolated because of contact with those affected. Three Red Raiders players have opted out of the season.

Second-year Tech coach Matt Wells said he has the typical concerns going into a season opener, along with the additional constant anxiety about the results from thrice-weekly testing.

“You could have major personnel challenges, and hurdles to overcome, or you could have minimal (impact),” Wells said. “Right up until game time, or at least Friday afternoon, I think there’s going to be anxiety among all coaches ... tentativeness on exactly who’s playing.”

https://collegefootball.ap.org/article/b12-nears-kickoff-games-not-being-played-stark-reminder

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