WWII, Nazis Communists and other stuff

[bad_teammate 13116]

Who called you racist?

What is it with the obsession with guys here wishing someone had called them racist?

Such a bizarre desire to be victimized.

[washparkhorn 9931]

58 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Not sure who you are calling a Patriot in ironic fashion, but if I happened to be among those, I want it known, I fucking hate corporate socialism.

Obviously not aimed at you given our agreement on the subject. 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by washparkhorn

[washparkhorn 9931]

The West is a multi-splendored experiment. There is room for all comers, but not Nazism. It is the height of scientific stupidity. Propaganda in that system sold the marketing plan for the idoicy. It came up with bullshit on how it all fit together. When that wasn't working, they conjured up the Gods from Old to dazzle the poor masses in Germany after WWI. (a senseless war that caused nazism.)

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So the original title of the thread - WWI to whatever the fuck we have now evolved from monarchs to Oligarchs - was correct. Capitalism was a revolution in economics and humanity. When imbalances arise, the system is inefficient and unable to sustain the economic system. It will grind to a halt if we have oligarchical control over economic policy. 

Economic policy is not political. It should be about efficiency - including efficiencies created in our consumer driven economy and world. 

If the money isn't flowing consistently from bottom to top, deflation will set in. And we don't have any good economic answers for deflation. 

The spice must flow. Nazism upsets the delicate balance that makes the spice flow efficiently. Purely from an economic policy viewpoint, naziism never works. Stalinism never works. Maoism never works. PolPotism never works. . . .

I think everyone is agreement on that.

(well, maybe not the nihilists, but they believe there is no truth and therefore the statement is irrelevant.)  

 

Hook 'em.

Edited August 8, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

The Nazis are always the bad guys BTW! I have nothing further to add. 

[washparkhorn 9931]

username checks out.

[gail the snail 31]

14 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Depends upon who you're arguing against....

how did you do that, btw

[washparkhorn 9931]

1 hour ago, gail the snail said:

how did you do that, btw

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyone-i-dont-like-is-hitler

 

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7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Nazis are always the bad guys BTW! I have nothing further to add. 

And Russian trolls, such as you

[bad_teammate 13116]

7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Nazis are always the bad guys BTW!

Amazing we're at a point in American history where this is controversial.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Amazing we're at a point in American history where this is controversial.

It's never been controversial.  Nazis suck ass, like some of the posters here espousing the theoretical virtues of ANTIFA.  

What you want everyone to believe is there's a Nazi behind every tree, and ANTIFA is gonna swing in like a caped crusader, and save us.  

PRO TIP:  There aren't, and they're not.

[bad_teammate 13116]

If you you see "fuck Nazis" and feel the need to put a bunch of context around it, you've taken a wrong turn morally and ethically and need to recalibrate.

And no, neither ANTIFA nor any posters here are anywhere close to the genocidal monstrosity of Nazis.

You might need to go to church tomorrow and say some prayers for guidance, because you've lost it completely.

[leaf 681]

bt, you should take your own advice 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

If you you see "fuck Nazis" and feel the need to put a bunch of context around it, you've taken a wrong turn morally and ethically and need to recalibrate.

And no, neither ANTIFA nor any posters here are anywhere close to the genocidal monstrosity of Nazis.

You might need to go to church tomorrow and say some prayers for guidance, because you've lost it completely.

No one needs ANTIFA white knighting them. ANTIFA is just the opposite side of a coin of fucked up isms'. Jesus stop with your attempts to make ANTIFA the savior from a dead end, philosophy.  Nobody needs nor wants them coming to town.

[bad_teammate 13116]

Just now, leaf said:

bt, you should take your own advice 

Cool, can you tell me specifically what I'm misguided about so that my plea for intercession is as targeted as possible?

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

ANTIFA is just the opposite side of a coin of fucked up isms'.

This makes no sense at all beyond a very surface-level emotional desire to feel like you're taking some rational middle ground.

Let's say we stipulate that Stalin and Hitler are equally bad... what is the connection between ANTIFA and Stalin? While you formulate an answer, please keep in mind the historical fact that Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin aren't actually the same person. They aren't even contemporaries or countrymen. One died when the other was 5.

So with that in mind... GO!

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Cool, can you tell me specifically what I'm misguided about so that my plea for intercession is as targeted as possible?

This makes no sense at all beyond a very surface-level emotional desire to feel like you're taking some rational middle ground.

Let's say we stipulate that Stalin and Hitler are equally bad... what is the connection between ANTIFA and Stalin? While you formulate an answer, please keep in mind the historical fact that Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin aren't actually the same person. They aren't even contemporaries or countrymen. One died when the other was 5.

So with that in mind... GO!

Your post makes zero sense. Karl Marx wrote about a theoretical form of gov't called communism. Stalin was a despotic dictator.  Neither did a thing to benefit humanity.

 

[bad_teammate 13116]

7 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Your post makes zero sense. Karl Marx wrote about a theoretical form of gov't called communism. Stalin was a despotic dictator.  Neither did a thing to benefit humanity.

I was anticipating a repeat of the thread's common refrain of pinning the deaths under Stalin to ANTIFA. Without that, on what grounds could you possibly compare ANTIFA to Nazis?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

I was anticipating a repeat of the thread's common refrain of pinning the deaths under Stalin to ANTIFA. Without that, on what grounds could you possibly compare ANTIFA to Nazis?

Oy vey you keep trying to peddle that issue. ANTIFA is not needed (nor wanted) in this country.

We have the FBI to handle the big, bad Nazis that are apparently running rampant in our streets according to you.  

According to you were it not for ANTIFA we'd all be getting fitted for those uber nice Boss uniforms or having a number tattooed on our arms.  Neither is happening nor is going to ANTIFA or not.  Stop your cosplaying like you're some super hero, you're not.

[Brothahorn 10083]

8 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Nazis are always the bad guys BTW! I have nothing further to add. 

Da, Boris. We know this. And your comrades suck, too.

[bad_teammate 13116]

3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

We have the FBI to handle the big, bad Nazis that are apparently running rampant in our streets according to you.  

When did I say Nazis were running rampant in our streets?

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According to you were it not for ANTIFA we'd all be getting fitted for those uber nice Boss uniforms or having a number tattooed on our arms.

The deep level of dishonesty you and many of your fellows operate with in conversation makes dialogue virtually impossible. I know you're not completely incapable of honest, good-faith discussion, so it's disappointing when you ignore the people talking to you in favor of straw men you construct in your mind.

Now, the reality is that Nazis do kill people. I linked a recent example of it happening and we can find many more examples of Nazis killing people in America if we want to do that.

Unfortunately, the FBI and other law enforcement were unable to prevent those killings. Beyond that, I don't think you really believe citizens should take zero action regarding the safety of their communities beyond paying their taxes and waiting (sometimes indefinitely) for state power to act. I don't think you believe that; I think you're trying to win an online argument with a position you don't actually hold.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

When did I say Nazis were running rampant in our streets?

The deep level of dishonesty you and many of your fellows operate with in conversation makes dialogue virtually impossible. I know you're not completely incapable of honest, good-faith discussion, so it's disappointing when you ignore the people talking to you in favor of straw men you construct in your mind.

Now, the reality is that Nazis do kill people. I linked a recent example of it happening and we can find many more examples of Nazis killing people in America if we want to do that.

Unfortunately, the FBI and other law enforcement were unable to prevent those killings. Beyond that, I don't think you really believe citizens should take zero action regarding the safety of their communities beyond paying their taxes and waiting (sometimes indefinitely) for state power to act. I don't think you believe that; I think you're trying to win an online argument with a position you don't actually hold.

Stop it, I'm not being dishonest about anything. You on the other hand are trying to deflect the things ANTIFA does. The FBI is the agency that deals with those types of domestic terrorists. ANTIFA is a self anointted vigilante group who thinks they're performing a public service. ANTIFA vandalizes, loots, destroys public, and private property and threatens anyone who dare oppose their presence.

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Stop it, I'm not being dishonest about anything. You on the other hand are trying to deflect the things ANTIFA does. The FBI is the agency that deals with those types of domestic terrorists. ANTIFA is a self anointted vigilante group who thinks they're performing a public service. ANTIFA vandalizes, loots, destroys public, and private property and threatens anyone who dare oppose their presence.

They don't "loot" and the underlined portion is iffy at best and paranoid bullshit at worst.

They do commit property crimes, though, for sure. 100%
They also physically attack Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, you left that part out. Sometimes their physical violence is even directed at people who aren't Nazis or Nazi sympathizers!

My own personal belief is that anyone, ANTIFA or otherwise, who is engaging in any of these crimes (property crimes or violent crimes) should bear the scrutiny of a fairly operating justice system in order to preserve the rule of law.

I don't remember denying this or "deflecting" it, whatever that means. I will happily and openly draw a distinction between Nazis and ANTIFA, which is a pretty easy distinction to see if we are operating with intellectual and moral honesty.

So when someone says something like, "Nazis suck ass, like some of the posters here espousing the theoretical virtues of ANTIFA." I feel the need to push back against this kind of purposeful Nazi apologism.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

They don't "loot" and the underlined portion is iffy at best and paranoid bullshit at worst.

They do commit property crimes, though, for sure. 100%
They also physically attack Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, you left that part out. Sometimes their physical violence is even directed at people who aren't Nazis or Nazi sympathizers!

My own personal belief is that anyone, ANTIFA or otherwise, who is engaging in any of these crimes (property crimes or violent crimes) should bear the scrutiny of a fairly operating justice system in order to preserve the rule of law.

I don't remember denying this or "deflecting" it, whatever that means. I will happily and openly draw a distinction between Nazis and ANTIFA, which is a pretty easy distinction to see if we are operating with intellectual and moral honesty.

So when someone says something like, "Nazis suck ass, like some of the posters here espousing the theoretical virtues of ANTIFA." I feel the need to push back against this kind of purposeful Nazi apologism.

I didn't leave anything out. I stated quite clearly that we don't need ANTIFA attacking anyone. We have the FBI to deal with domestic terrorists.  Their destructive actions cause looting. To be quite, and unequivocally clear, Nazis, and ANTIFA suck ass badly.  That is not Nazi apologist, so stop trying to make something a reality that just isn't.    They both suck and have no place, nor need in America.

[Incredulity 11446]

10 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

They don't "loot" and the underlined portion is iffy at best and paranoid bullshit at worst.

They do commit property crimes, though, for sure. 100%
They also physically attack Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, you left that part out. Sometimes their physical violence is even directed at people who aren't Nazis or Nazi sympathizers!

My own personal belief is that anyone, ANTIFA or otherwise, who is engaging in any of these crimes (property crimes or violent crimes) should bear the scrutiny of a fairly operating justice system in order to preserve the rule of law.

I don't remember denying this or "deflecting" it, whatever that means. I will happily and openly draw a distinction between Nazis and ANTIFA, which is a pretty easy distinction to see if we are operating with intellectual and moral honesty.

So when someone says something like, "Nazis suck ass, like some of the posters here espousing the theoretical virtues of ANTIFA." I feel the need to push back against this kind of purposeful Nazi apologism.

Pure gaslighting.

No one is apologizing for Nazis. No one.

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Incredulity

[bad_teammate 13116]

Let's say someone says, "Fuck pedophiles!" and I feel some internal urge, for some unknowable reason, to argue with that person so I say, "Pedophiles suck, just like jaywalkers!" Perhaps it's not my conscious intention to apologize for pedophiles and diminish the nature of their crimes, but that's what I'm doing.

By comparing Nazis to ANTIFA, you're minimizing the horror and terror of Nazism. I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not your intention, but it's what that comparison entails regardless of your intention. It would be a good idea to just remain silent when someone says, "Fuck Nazis!"

It's a safe play, intellectually and morally, to just let that sleeping dog lie.

[Hate 20095]

Amazing we're at a point in American history where this is controversial.

Accuses people of making shit up and then makes shit up.

[Incredulity 11446]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Let's say someone says, "Fuck pedophiles!" and I feel some internal urge, for some unknowable reason, to argue with that person so I say, "Pedophiles suck, just like jaywalkers!" Perhaps it's not my conscious intention to apologize for pedophiles and diminish the nature of their crimes, but that's what I'm doing.

By comparing Nazis to ANTIFA, you're minimizing the horror and terror of Nazism. I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not your intention, but it's what that comparison entails regardless of your intention. It would be a good idea to just remain silent when someone says, "Fuck Nazis!"

It's a safe play, intellectually and morally, to just let that sleeping dog lie.

Bullshit.

more gaslighting.

 

fuck off.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Let's say someone says, "Fuck pedophiles!" and I feel some internal urge, for some unknowable reason, to argue with that person so I say, "Pedophiles suck, just like jaywalkers!" Perhaps it's not my conscious intention to apologize for pedophiles and diminish the nature of their crimes, but that's what I'm doing.

By comparing Nazis to ANTIFA, you're minimizing the horror and terror of Nazism. I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not your intention, but it's what that comparison entails regardless of your intention. It would be a good idea to just remain silent when someone says, "Fuck Nazis!"

It's a safe play, intellectually and morally, to just let that sleeping dog lie.

Stop it, you're just digging your weak argument a deeper hole.

[workswithseed 2028]

@bad_teammate what is your definition of NAZI sympathizer? Are you say that people who are okay with NAZIs wearing flair, and going out and speaking for NAZI causes cause it's their right to or is it something else?

[Guest Lobo]

Dude, you don't know enough Black Russians.  

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Antifa’s tactics could be taken straight from the pages of the SA brownshirts. They are there to intimidate, create fear, and mete out mob justice and get in altercations with their ideological adversaries like the Proud Boys when they show up. 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Iconoclast Texan

[Guest Lobo]

Are the proud boys the ones that wear the hawaiin shirts or are they the ones in the weekend paintball camo outfits?  

I think Antifa should have to wear Ed Hardy, and then get another group to wear vineyard vines and then they should all have to fight to the death.  And we get to burn their clothes. 

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 hours ago, workswithseed said:

@bad_teammate what is your definition of NAZI sympathizer?

Nazi/Nazi sympathizer: Someone who wears the gear, uses the imagery, uses the chants/slogans, and those who house and facilitate their actions. Also, people who purposefully attempt to diminish the horrors and terror of Nazis. "Purposefully" is important because a lot of people, like quite a few posters here, are just very stupid people who are easily manipulated by even D-class media grifters. Functionally they aren't terribly different, but I think intent matters to a consideration of "sympathizer".

I don't think anyone here is a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer.

I don't think those who think Nazis should be legally allowed to speak are Nazi sympathizers. I am one of those people who believes that the government should not interfere with the speech of an American Nazi unless it is becoming a danger or threatening harm.

And if an ANTIFA in a balaclava punches a Nazi/Nazi sympathizer in the face at a rally, I think the police should arrest the puncher and the puncher should face a jury of his peers according to the rule of law.

That's all legal, though. What I think is moral/ethical is a separate question. (Just as I would if, say, someone walked up to your wife and called her an ugly whore. Legally you should not hit that man. Morally/ethically? Swing the fuck away, bud, and I'll pay your bail and vote "Not Guilty" in the trial.)

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

You clearly have not been paying attention.

Anyone who questions in anyway any action or platform of BLM is a Nazi or at best a Nazi sympathizer.

Also, anyone who is not Russian is a Nazi, unless they are black or a BLM supporter.

Absolutely GAGGING to be a victim of someone. lol pathetic on deep levels

[Brothahorn 10083]

Since this is the WWII thread;

Why did we prioritize Europe(Germany) over Asia(Japan), when it was Japan who drug us into the war?

We kicked the Fascists ass in 3 years. We've been fighting the Commies every since.

Patton was right.

[Guest Lobo]

Because of our Navy. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

26 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Since this is the WWII thread;

Why did we prioritize Europe(Germany) over Asia(Japan), when it was Japan who drug us into the war?

We kicked the Fascists ass in 3 years. We've been fighting the Commies every since.

Patton was right.

Was it a priority ?  Churchill was always complaining we weren't doing enough to help.  I think it was a pretty evenly dispersed force in both theaters. 

Yes we have been.

Stalin had 2-3x as many men, and tanks massed on the Western front I believe. We'd have ended up using a 3rd, and or 4th atomic device IMO.

[Ignatius 3990]

I don’t agree with what Antifa has become, but I think it’s good that some organized group of people (left, right, whatever) started showing up at white supremacist rallies ready to fight those assholes. No, they didn’t save the US from the Nazis but maybe they showed a couple of shithead rednecks that there are people who disagree with you and are willing to go past just yelling slogans and holding signs.

What is has become now is total bullshit. While a lot of black people this country are pushing to remove barriers to making it to the board room of F500 companies, these jackasses are trashing Starbucks and setting shit on fire in the name of “BLM”. Fucking disgraceful...

Edited August 8, 2020 by Ignatius

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

While a lot of black people this country are pushing to remove barriers to making it to the board room of F500 companies...

Nope.

And even if it was true, which it isn't, who cares?

[workswithseed 2028]

The Japs had a hard time killing one small ship. They should have made more aircraft carriers.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I disagree completely, if, and only if the AltRight or whatever, are expressing their 1st amendment rights completely within the boundaries of the law. 

I posit a hypothetical that is perhaps close to similarly idotic, not the same but really fucking stupid, like AltRight shit.

Let's say aggy decided to stage a protest in Austin and gets all the legal permits required to do so. During the protest they abide by all restrictions imposed legally. The protest by aggy is one that believes, "Texas A&M should be allowed to take the name of THE University of Texas, and get all the trust money allotted to the current UT. Further, the current UT should be renamed Sip University of Gays in Austin.". 

Now given all that, would you endorse physical engagement ie physical assault, piss bombs, whatever, against the protesters by Longhorns? Please know, just like against the AltRight, I personally wouldn't mind nose punching all of them, but would never act upon my desire. Nor would I ever support anyone else acting upon that desire because, simply put, the 1st allows for dumb asses to proudly display their stupidity within the bounds of specific restrictions.

I care more about supporting all liberties than I do about illegal physical engagement to suppress others from expressing theirs, no matter how fucking stupid, revolting, ignorant and wrong that expression may be.

Now, finally, what the fuck does any of this have to do with WWII, Che, Mao or Stalin? (Edit - other than my extreme desire to break the nose of anyone wearing a Che shirt)

Hey hey hey... I've gone long on Che' shirt printing.....  It's part of my retirement nest egg.

[Ignatius 3990]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I disagree completely, if, and only if the AltRight or whatever, are expressing their 1st amendment rights completely within the boundaries of the law. 

I posit a hypothetical that is perhaps close to similarly idotic, not the same but really fucking stupid, like AltRight shit.

Let's say aggy decided to stage a protest in Austin and gets all the legal permits required to do so. During the protest they abide by all restrictions imposed legally. The protest by aggy is one that believes, "Texas A&M should be allowed to take the name of THE University of Texas, and get all the trust money allotted to the current UT. Further, the current UT should be renamed Sip University of Gays in Austin.". 

Now given all that, would you endorse physical engagement ie physical assault, piss bombs, whatever, against the protesters by Longhorns? Please know, just like against the AltRight, I personally wouldn't mind nose punching all of them, but would never act upon my desire. Nor would I ever support anyone else acting upon that desire because, simply put, the 1st allows for dumb asses to proudly display their stupidity within the bounds of specific restrictions.

I care more about supporting all liberties than I do about illegal physical engagement to suppress others from expressing theirs, no matter how fucking stupid, revolting, ignorant and wrong that expression may be.

Now, finally, what the fuck does any of this have to do with WWII, Che, Mao or Stalin? (Edit - other than my extreme desire to break the nose of anyone wearing a Che shirt)

Yes

 

Do you not see the difference between being called a queer by aggy and what white supremacists support?

Edited August 9, 2020 by Ignatius

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I take no issue with Che shirt manufacturing or manufacturers and I could punch 1000 CheShirters in the nose daily and it still wouldn't stifle demand. So, no worries, you're solid.

So its a win win for the both of us.

[workswithseed 2028]

10 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

See this annoys the shit out of me. Not because you posted it nor for it's content which is factual and pretty well done. However, while I'm watching it, the History Channel is muted on my TV with what I can only guess is some "cryptozoologist" likely with Fitlump level qualifications talking about a cupacabre or Bigfoot or a "historian" with a degree from something like aggy or ITT talking about the fucking Illuminati. 

Fuck! 

The history channels on YouTube are great.

Seriously, this guy is great.

[Ignatius 3990]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Hmm see you made and edit.

Doesn't change my response as you entirely miss the point and still haven't explained how this relates to Japanese Zeros and Sherman tanks.

 

Goddam your drunk driving tests are hard....

[Mole 4318]

4 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Edit - Do NOT sleep on the technologies Germany was developing. Some of that shit could have truly shifted things had it come to fruition.

Operation Eisenfaust would have terrifying.

[washparkhorn 9931]

2 hours ago, Mole said:

Operation Eisenfaust would have terrifying.

Nah - we had a plan for that. 

 

 

[washparkhorn 9931]

 

[bad_teammate 13116]

14 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

other than my extreme desire to break the nose of anyone wearing a Che shirt

You should see someone about that, because that's abnormal.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

You should see someone about that, because that's abnormal.

 Really ? He was a murdering criminal. He killed many innocent people in the name of his personal cause. He was a hypocrite.  He's exactly the same kind of person you call Nazis, and say they should be punched.  You really need help with factual history.  It's not in your little red book.  

[bad_teammate 13116]

4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

 Really ? He was a murdering criminal. He killed many innocent people in the name of his personal cause. He was a hypocrite.  He's exactly the same kind of person you call Nazis, and say they should be punched.  You really need help with factual history.  It's not in your little red book.  

You guys really need to stop doing this, because it's insane. Not everything is a Nazi. Not everything is Stalin. You guys really need to develop an ability to discuss things without trying to just merge them in with the 2 or 3 things you understand. Broaden the horizons.

And while I appreciate your anger, wanting to break someone's nose for wearing a Che shirt is not something to be proud of. Comparing Che to Nazis is laughable shit, especially if you were to honestly ask yourself how much you know about Che that is from credible historical sources. I recommend Jon Lee Anderson's biography if you're interested in learning about Che in some kind of real way beyond college kids wearing t-shirts and other college kids mad at the kids wearing t-shirts, vapid brains where everyone is either a hero or devil.