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Long time lurker, first time poster here. Rather unbelievably, even what you wrote doesn't do how awful KU has been justice. Kansas hasn't won more than 1 conference game in a season since 2008.

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We’re back bitches!!!

Jhawkmvp
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A lifetime of being a KU FB fan has taught me to have low expectations, but hope for the best. I think Leipold has turned KU into a legitimate team far faster than expected. It is not just being 3-0,

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3 hours ago, kopp0e said:

Just to show a side by side look at both the Jayhawks & Owls:
And as pertaining to primarily football, if Rice isn't good enough for the XII, why would Kansas be good enough for the B1G in football..?
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If one looks, the metrics between Rice & Kansas are almost identicle on stadium size, & capacity in the largest revenue sport of collegiate football...
The difference is the earned revenues from the XII media distributions,and fact of the Jayhawks arena in Allen Fieldhouse is nearly 3x the size of the Tudor Fieldhouse, home of the Owls...
But, as when the "talking points" are shifted to academics, Rice blows Kansas away in the latest US News & World Reports Rankings of national universities by at least 113 slots hire in ratings...

KANSAS:
National University Ranking
#129 in National Universities (tie)
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS
Founded in 1865, University of Kansas is a public institution. The school has 47.3 percent of its classes with fewer than 20 students, and the student-faculty ratio at University of Kansas is 17:1. more
$27,358 (out-of-state), $11,148 (in-state) Tuition and Fees 19,338 Undergraduate Enrollment

NCAA FINANCES:
Rank/#36 School/Kansas Conference/XII Revenue/$95,251,461 Expenses/$94,709,233

FOOTBALL STADIUM CAPACITY:
Name/David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium Capacity/50,071 Attendance/26,641 Location/Lawrence Team/Kansas Jayhawks

NCAA DIVISION 1 COLLEGE BASKETBALL CAPACITY:
Name/Allen Fieldhouse Capacity/16,300 Attendance/16,395 Location/Lawrence Team/Kansas Jayhawks

NEAREST MAJOR CITY BY POPULATION - Kansas City/40.3 miles

TOTAL POPULATION OF STATE OF KANSAS: #35 (Nationally) - 2,913,123
TOTAL POPULATION OF CITY OF KANSAS CITY: #30 (NationallY) Kansas City, MO-KS MSA 2,128,912
 

 
SUNDAY, MAY 20, 2018
Should KU be worried about getting dumped from a Power 5 Conference? The financial stakes are huge
By Chad Lawhorn

But due to its struggles on the football field, KU certainly isn’t in the top tier of schools in the Power 5 conferences. When you are in the bottom tier, there are seemingly endless questions hanging in the air: Will there be conference reorganization? Will the Power 5 consolidate into the Power 4? Would we make the cut in a new world order?
...The Journal-World looked at the finances of two mid-major schools in an effort to see how different the world might be if Kansas ever fell out of a Power 5 conference. ...In 2016, UConn received $26.9 million in direct subsides — such as dollars from the university’s general fund — to support athletics. ...Like KU, the University of Connecticut strives to be a national power in men’s basketball, having won four national championships since 1999. But despite its location in one of the richest states in America — and having arguably the most successful women’s basketball program in history — the University of Connecticut’s finances look nothing like KU’s.
...Ohio University competes in the Mid-America Conference, a classic home for “mid-major” schools.
...Ohio is a statewide research university that actually has several thousand more students that KU. ...But because it is not a part of a Power 5 conference, its athletic budget isn’t even in the same universe, let alone the same league, as KU’s.

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RICE:
National University Ranking
#16 in National Universities
Rice University
Houston, TX
Rice University is located in the heart of the Museum District in Houston, TX. The private institution has a need-blind admissions policy and meets the full demonstrated need of any accepted student who requires help paying tuition. more
$47,350 Tuition and Fees 4,001 Undergraduate Enrollment

NCAA FINANCES:
Rank/(Private) School/Rice Conference/CUSA Revenue/$12,001,178 Expenses/$12,001,178

FOOTBALL STADIUM CAPACITY:
Name/Rice Stadium Capacity/47,000 Attendance/19,354 Location/Houston Team/Rice Owls

NCAA DIVISION 1 COLLEGE BASKETBALL CAPACITY:
Name/Tudor Fieldhouse Capacity/5,750 Attendance/2,101 Location/Houston Team/Rice Owls

NEAREST MAJOR CITY BY POPULATION - Houston/0 miles

TOTAL POPULATION OF STATE OF TEXAS: #2 (Nationally) - 28,304,596
TOTAL POPULATION OF CITY OF HOUSTON: #5 (Nationally) Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX MSA 6,892,427
 

 
Athletic Director discusses state of Rice sports
Andrew Grottkau | October 18, 2017

Karlgaard has been Rice’s athletic director since fall 2013. Since he was hired, the Owls have won conference championships in nine different sports. He has overseen the construction of the Brian Patterson Sports Performance Center, the new stands at the Wendel D. Ley Track and new team space at Tudor Fieldhouse. ...Four years into his tenure, those goals have not changed. But Rice, according to Karlgaard, is in a peculiar position in the landscape of college athletics: It is the only school ranked in the US News and World Report top 20 that has FBS football and is not in a Power 5 conference (other than the University of Notre Dame, which chooses to remain without a conference affiliation). Until 1996, Rice competed in the Southwest Conference against schools like the University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University and Baylor University.
...Last year, the Big 12, one of the Power 5 conferences in Division I, revealed it was hoping to expand. The league opened up an application process to any school wishing to join. Rice made a bid to join the conference and made the list of 11 final candidates. ...“I think we learned that we are still very much a valued brand in the world of FBS athletics,” Karlgaard said. “People like being associated with us. They’d like being associated with us a bit more if we were consistently successful, particularly in football and men’s basketball, which captures so much of the value from a television perspective.”

Among the reasons Karlgaard said schools want to be associated with Rice were the facts that it has never committed a major NCAA violation and graduates student-athletes in a variety of majors. ...“It’s about an alignment with institutions that are more like Rice. I love my fellow athletics directors and the presidents of Conference USA, but we are the only private institution, we are the only institution in the top 100 of US News, we’re the only [American Association of Universities] school. We’re just unlike many of the others in so many ways.

If it were to find a way into a Power 5 conference, Rice athletics would instantly gain national brand recognition."

By the way, if per chance, Oklahoma looked to join the B1G with Missouri instead of Kansas, the average attendance would register at: 61,576 vs 58,470 in a B1G west division with the Jayhawks, still below a PAC south division...
If looking back to the days of the Big8 & SWC in let's say 1985, Oklahoma had just won the national title in the Big8, with Texas A&M also in the top 10... At the time both conferences were as safe as any other, until the metric of schools controlling their own media rights came into play...
Then it was just as possible for Iowa State or Kansas State to be dropped from the power conference status as either TCU or Rice *note the Horned Frogs success since entering the P5 in 2012, after nearly 2 decades in the wilderness...
So, the point is, if someone thinks Kansas shuld be safe, with Oklahoma "propping up" Kansas in a weaker B1G west vs PAC south, it shows value in adding Rice as well, as the networks would pay for the move, as long as Oklahoma & Texas are involved in the league...

Uhhh, if Rutgers can go to the B1G then Kansas with a cash cow basketball program can brah.

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16 minutes ago, usmc0331horn said:

Uhhh, if Rutgers can go to the B1G then Kansas with a cash cow basketball program can brah.

So, do you think Kansas & say Connecticut in the east would work then, or try to pry Mizzou from the SEC...
Either way, I,m pointing out how close the actual attendance is for football games between Rice & Kansas, and more a case of Rice & BYU could be the 12th members...

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The merits of Rice or Kansas or West Tennessee Tech to other conferences should be in the realignment thread.  This thread is for how hopeless Kansas FB currently is and how it might, maybe, possibly be turned around some time in the near or distant future by Les Miles, Bo Pelini, or a yet to be born coach.

 

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6 hours ago, Jhawkmvp said:

The merits of Rice or Kansas or West Tennessee Tech to other conferences should be in the realignment thread.  This thread is for how hopeless Kansas FB currently is and how it might, maybe, possibly be turned around some time in the near or distant future by Les Miles, Bo Pelini, or a yet to be born coach.

 

I don't think Kansas is "hopeless" cause...
It'd been better to keep Mangino looking back, merit of Rice is showing how the school is very similar, Rice has a fraction of the revenues, but is similar in attendance...

I will say one oddity of Kansas football is the 1970, with "home & away games" (2) out of league games with the PAC on multiple seasons, I've never seen that before...

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1970-1979 Jayhawks vs *Pac8 series records...

Kansas - 1970 Washington State (w)/'71 Washington State (w)/'72 Washington State (l)/'73 Washington State (w)/'74 at Washington State (w)/'75 Washington State (l) & Oregon State (w)/'76 at Oregon State (w) & Washington State (w)/'77 at No. 14 UCLA (l) & No. 15 Washington State (w)/'78 at No. 18 Washington (l) & No. 8 UCLA (w)/ 

 


*(Pac8 added both Arizona & Arizona State in the year of 1978) ^(Utah eventually joined the Pac10 in 2010)

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The crazy thing is how bad Rutgers is in all the other Big 10 sports.  The only thing they're good at is women's hoops.  

yea, but they "bring that NYC market" for the BTN.....oh wait cable companies are shitting on the BTN lately and taking it off of the lower tier packages outside of Big 10 country and might do the same in Big 10 country

 

and wow Kansas is fucking the shit out of Rutgers now their offense is on fire and their D keeps getting them the ball back

48-14 what an ass kicking.....from KANSAS hahaha

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45 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

 

 The big 10 conference added Rutgers because they wanted to get the New York City market.  It was still a bad idea because newsflash, NYC doesn’t give much of a shit about college football. They’re pro fans.  The only time people in the New York City area care about college football is when they’re in college or if they’re gambling on it.

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14 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

 The big 10 conference added Rutgers because they wanted to get the New York City market.  It was still a bad idea because newsflash, NYC doesn’t give much of a shit about college football. They’re pro fans.  The only time people in the New York City area care about college football is when they’re in college or if they’re gambling on it.

Agreed, and the gamble could look worse in a few years when subs for conference networks go ala carte...

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44 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

 The big 10 conference added Rutgers because they wanted to get the New York City market.  It was still a bad idea because newsflash, NYC doesn’t give much of a shit about college football. They’re pro fans.  The only time people in the New York City area care about college football is when they’re in college or if they’re gambling on it.

We have the Big Ten network on cable in NYC

Guessing that's a lot of $ for member teams even if nobody is watching. (And I do think people watch, given the number of alumns of all colleges in NYC)

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