2020 Democratic National Convention

[Texaspython 231]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Focus on what you can do. Keep your eyes on the prize. Progressives are not and have never been the enemy. We share more values than many of you realize.

Vote Biden.

I get that, and I was saying that when you guys were tearing him down in a way that was much like our adversaries.

You’re right but you and people like you owe a damn apology.

[TexEx15 17,549]

5 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

In many ways no, and in many ways yes.  I think we're in a clusterfuck of a situation.

I despise Trump as a person and a statesman, but it's hard to argue the success of certain policies and political tactics.

I like Biden as a person and statesman, but simply cannot understand some of the positions and policies he says he would enact.  This might make me sound even worse but personally I don't even think Joe believes a lot of the stuff he says himself...but he's letting himself get pulled farther left due to political pressures.

Trump is a piece of shit and has bungled the handling of the COVID response leading to 175K dead Americans.  How many of those could have been avoided?  The number one rule of leadership.  It may not be your fault but it is your responsibility.  Trump literally says he takes no responsibility.  

In a normal election sure we could get into nuanced policy discussions.  But with trump and COVID all of that is out the window.  If you are still trying to justify your support for trump it’s because you are ashamed to admit you are going to vote for him.

[Bateshorn 9,928]

33 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Well of course not.  I vote for people based on what I think is going on inside their mind, not just what they are saying when literally reading carefully prepared statements.   Do you really have trouble seeing the difference?

Reading from a teleprompter is not easy. I’ve stood in front of one on the House Dias. And you are wrong: Biden did a good job. Maybe slow your roll and read some policy papers instead, Harvey Levin. 
 

But you’re just here to express concern, right? Trump’s deplorable, but you’re not sure Joe’s up for the task?  Maybe people need to step back and consider whether it’s worth voting given how broken the system is?

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Bateshorn

[McCroskey 1,505]

2 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Yeah, we’re fucking killing it as a country right now. 

Is there another country in the world people are flocking to right now more than the US?  Not that I've heard.

[Biff Tannen 45,695]

Y’all getting trolled. 

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Y’all getting trolled. 

Yep.  

[TexEx15 17,549]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

Is there another country in the world people are flocking to right now more than the US?  Not that I've heard.

New Zealand if we don’t get our shit together.  Lord knows I’m jealous of their leadership. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

4 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

Better judges? In my totally unqualified non legal background opinion I would have to say that the attorneys on this forum would be better judges than the ones I’ve seen ‘pushed’ through and believe me, I’ve see what these folks eat in the Steel Shank thread. 

[Mdhorn 5,974]

24 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Don't agree with the analogy.  I just like people who communicate without being so "obvious" they are reading a prepared speech.  As I said, Obama was really great at this which is why I voted for him twice...Bill was great at it and even better off the cuff...Hillary just sucked and Trump really sucks, too.

Hillary was fine if folks listened to her.  She would have provided solid leadership against the present COVID situation.  Imagine fighting an epidemic with someone who pushed for and helped implement universal healthcare.  Damn, she probably would have pushed for more testing earlier too.  

Whatever would have happened, the loss wouldn't be 170k and counting.  But then the low bar of doing nothing, set by the imp in charge, isn't a bragging point.  And unfortunately, his followers are doing more than nothing by continuing to ignore and spread it.  

This time next week, with nothing positive to point to, the FOX and Republican leadership will be flinging alternative facts against the wall while making fun of people with speech impediments, the fake libruhl media, and how Dems want to release gangs and felons on American towns.  Come for the name calling, stay for the possible reoccurrence of diatribes against POWs and wounded Vets.  

[Texaspython 231]

2 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Yep.  

Huge troll

[McCroskey 1,505]

5 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Got it.  So you are voting for Trump....again.  Why are you posting on this thread?  A lot of the stuff you said is actually BS FOX NEWS talking points.

Don't watch Fox News. 

Sorry to see you aren't interested in any kind of rationally formed alternative opinions.  I see a lot of that these days.

[Bateshorn 9,928]

Stop feeding him. I should have read up further.  My bad.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Bateshorn

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,559]

How do you put a troll on ignore from an iPad?  Asking for a friend.

[washparkhorn 9,939]

11 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

I get that, and I was saying that when you guys were tearing him down in a way that was much like our adversaries.

You’re right but you and people like you owe a damn apology.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

Stop feeding him. 

So what was it like to stand on the dais in the House?

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

Biden showed charisma tonight.  All the pictures they used showed him shaking hands, hugging, touching a shoulder, leaning in...all those things he does with physical contact that's a way he connects with people.  Not some gross touchy feely thing they have accused himself of time and again.     By doing so they normalized regular gregarious human contact, erasing the image concocted by his detractors with selected pictures.  First subtle step to returning some normalcy.

Hillary never had that charisma.  Bill did, but Hillary was a stuffed shirt.  While she was competent, she lacked that likability factor with too many people.  

 

[Mdhorn 5,974]

30 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

😭 😭 😭 

This undermines the Rights attacks against Biden's sometimes speech impediment. They'll do it anyway because low hanging fruit and they're crappy people.  

Edited August 21, 2020 by Mdhorn

[McCroskey 1,505]

3 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

Hillary was fine if folks listened to her.  She would have provided solid leadership against the present COVID situation.  Imagine fighting an epidemic with someone who pushed for and helped implement universal healthcare.  Damn, she probably would have pushed for more testing earlier too.  

Whatever would have happened, the loss wouldn't be 170k and counting.  But then the low bar of doing nothing, set by the imp in charge, isn't a bragging point.  And unfortunately, his followers are doing more than nothing by continuing to ignore and spread it.  

This time next week, with nothing positive to point to, the FOX and Republican leadership will be flinging alternative facts against the wall while making fun of people with speech impediments, the fake libruhl media, and how Dems want to release gangs and felons on American towns.  Come for the name calling, stay for the possible reoccurrence of diatribes against POWs and wounded Vets.  

See, I just completely disagree with that.   We've tested 70MM people thus far and are tracking COVID better than anywhere in the world, with the next nearest country being India, which has 4x our population but has only tested half the number of people we have.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19

Travel to Europe a bit and talk to people who have lived there their entire lives, get a sense of their healthcare and what it is, and then try to rationalize that we could even remotely have something similar.  It won't ever happen, and probably for good reasons.  And that's not a knock on their system, things are just completely different here compared to anywhere else in the world.

[Texaspython 231]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

I get it, I’d feel stupid too. Grow the fuck up.

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

6 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Don't watch Fox News. 

Sorry to see you aren't interested in any kind of rationally formed alternative opinions.  I see a lot of that these days.

Do you believe that Trump and Biden are similarly corrupt or that there are major differences between the two on that?

[Zepol87 9,188]

19 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

What a fucking joke

[washparkhorn 9,939]

3 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Biden showed charisma tonight.  All the pictures they used showed him shaking hands, hugging, touching a shoulder, leaning in...all those things he does with physical contact that's a way he connects with people.  Not some gross touchy feely thing they have accused himself of time and again.     By doing so they normalized regular gregarious human contact, erasing the image concocted by his detractors with selected pictures.  First subtle step to returning some normalcy.

 

Amen - he looked Presidential because he is . . . Presidential. 

. . . and use the ignore feature to ignore trolls of all types. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by washparkhorn

[McCroskey 1,505]

18 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

They're all wrong except the lower taxes part.

 

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

[Degenerate Gardner 4,085]

5 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Do you believe that Trump and Biden are similarly corrupt or that there are major differences between the two on that?

Do you enjoy movies about gladiators? C'mon man

[McCroskey 1,505]

6 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Do you believe that Trump and Biden are similarly corrupt or that there are major differences between the two on that?

No, I think they are both corrupt but in completely different ways.  This country should never have 20+ year career politicans, much less 50 year politicians.  And I'm a person that says "always and never are two words you should always remember to never use."

Edited August 21, 2020 by McCroskey

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

Just now, McCroskey said:

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

And now we get to the truth. I made some more money so I’m going to defend Trump while we separate families at the border, allow bounties to be put on our troops heads, degrade our country on the world stage, hire grifters to work in the administration, actively try to suppress the minority vote, and shit on everything that actually makes America great. Enjoy your raise.

[Texaspython 231]

4 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

You’re a telemarketer? Ok, stop calling me.

No wonder we all started getting more calls that no one wants. We solved this problem now you want to got back to undesirably phone calls. Get into a new business.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Texaspython

[BLKNSTY 289]

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

You run a call center?

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

Just now, McCroskey said:

No, I think they are both corrupt but in completely different ways.

Trump is the most corrupt president in modern history and it’s not close. If you can’t see that then I can’t help you. 

[David Dennison 18,940]

3 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

Whoopdie fucking do. This country is fucked up from top to bottom because of Donald Trump. He's a piece of human garbage and the people who support him are bad Americans.

[Fozzz 152]

This country is beyond fucked. I fear what is to come later this decade. 

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

 

1 minute ago, BLKNSTY said:

You run a call center?

Most likely a debt collection call center.

[David Dennison 18,940]

11 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

See, I just completely disagree with that.   We've tested 70MM people thus far and are tracking COVID better than anywhere in the world, with the next nearest country being India, which has 4x our population but has only tested half the number of people we have.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19

Travel to Europe a bit and talk to people who have lived there their entire lives, get a sense of their healthcare and what it is, and then try to rationalize that we could even remotely have something similar.  It won't ever happen, and probably for good reasons.  And that's not a knock on their system, things are just completely different here compared to anywhere else in the world.

Yeah, things are better in most of the western countries not named the United States.

[McCroskey 1,505]

Just now, BLKNSTY said:

You run a call center?

No, but we call consumers.  Was a different part of the act.

[Firemans4Horn 18,117]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Yeah, things are better in all of the western countries not named the United States.

FIFY. We’re literally rock bottom. 

[Texaspython 231]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

No, but we call consumers.  Was a different part of the act.

Stop

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

[Mdhorn 5,974]

3 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

See, I just completely disagree with that.   We've tested 70MM people thus far and are tracking COVID better than anywhere in the world, with the next nearest country being India, which has 4x our population but has only tested half the number of people we have.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19

Travel to Europe a bit and talk to people who have lived there their entire lives, get a sense of their healthcare and what it is, and then try to rationalize that we could even remotely have something similar.  It won't ever happen, and probably for good reasons.  And that's not a knock on their system, things are just completely different here compared to anywhere else in the world.

When I travel, I see a lot of Americans in whatever countries pharmacies.  But you don't have to travel to Europe for an example; Yuma is an American border town where Americans regularly cross into Mexico for dental and medical needs. Elderly Americans come down over the winter months and stay in Yuma because it's warmer.  I've been told by several of these Trump voters, my parents and their friends, that there was nothing wrong with America's healthcare while failing to see the irony in getting all of their medical needs taken care of in Mexico.  Tijuana and Nogales are other examples and I'm pretty sure before Canada closed their borders, they too were prime for serving American medical needs.  

[McCroskey 1,505]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Yeah, things are better in most of the western countries not named the United States.

Name a western country anything remotely like the United States as it relates to our history, constitution, or population.  Can you? 

 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3,550]

Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

Just come out and say you are voting for Trump. Own your opinion.

[Irieguy 1,059]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

Name a western country anything remotely like the United States as it relates to our history, constitution, or population.  Can you? 

 

Yea nothing counts unless they literally have 2 Dakotas. 

[McCroskey 1,505]

Just now, Irwin F Fletcher said:

36 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

Just come out and say you are voting for Trump. Own your opinion.

Undecided.  Not afraid to "own an opinion."

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

McColonoscopy thinks Biden will allow blacks to burn the suburbs and nobody will answer the phone when grandma calls 911. 

It always starts with the “both sides” bit then devolves into Biden being a radical socialist.

[Mdhorn 5,974]

10 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

This country should never have 20+ year career politicans, much less 50 year politicians.  And I'm a person that says "always and never are two words you should always remember to never use."

I do agree with this.  But today, we gotta go with what seems familiar and the VP is a better bridge towards that. Trump was a response to America electing a black man.  Right now, Dems have to win and not battle each other on Liberal talking points.  Let's reverse some damage and win 2020 before things get redistricted and more gets rolled back.  Additionally, the olds are going to believe in Biden talking about threats to Social Security more so than a younger person just because he's old, and white, and not threatening to their snowflake insecurities.    

[Texaspython 231]

2 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Undecided.  Not afraid to "own an opinion."

As a long time democrat, I can tell you, I’m for less regulation of small businesses. Most regulation only benefits big businesses. That said, call centers deserve regulation.

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

Just now, Fozzz said:

This country is beyond fucked. I fear what is to come later this decade. 

Well excuse us for trying to elect people we hope might be able to salvage it.   Perhaps we should just all adopt a nihilistic attitude and not even try to fix it.   

I agree that it's going to be a mess.  The costs associated with this horrid response to Covid will hamstring us for decades, if for nothing else but the additional debt.  But just as devastating has been the damage to our position of leadership globally.  I will also admit that we've done some shady diplomatic shit, but I also can point to the Marshall Plan, the Berlin Air lift and other humanitarian missions.  We CAN be a nation of good humans, if we want to be.  If we fight for our core beliefs as a country that cares and leads, that spreads human rights and democracy.  To do that we have to wrestle legislative power away from those self serving people who get a little richer because of some reduced regulations.

But yes, historically you have made points about the US's darker, more ulterior motives around the globe.  I won't deny those things happened, but to fight that we as citizens need to be more aware of who we elect to represent us, to expect them to run our country in a transparent manner.   We haven't had that for decades now.

Just maybe we've had enough burn down now to wake us up and demand better governance.   We need to find more Charlie Wilsons, send them to Washington or Austin and stand behind them.

That's my hope.  I won't give it up easily.

[Fozzz 152]

6 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Name a western country anything remotely like the United States as it relates to our history, constitution, or population.  Can you? 

 

There is truth to this.

http://patrimoinenumeriqueafricain.com:8080/jspui/bitstream/123456789/444/1/american ideology %2Cenglish-converti.pdf

[Larry T. Spider 1,746]

We have always said that undecided means trump. If you have watched four years of this horror and wouldn’t be willing to crawl across glass to vote Trump out, then we know where this is going. It’s what makes polls with large numbers of undecided so scary.

[McCroskey 1,505]

13 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

It's amazing how numbers of confirmed cases so closely correlate to the number of tests given.  Here, I just selected a large number of European countries, and Japan, to compare to that graph above.  Amazing our positive rates are also higher, almost as if it's statistical probability.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-22..latest&country=USA~JPN~CAN~IRL~GBR~France%2C tests performed~DEU~GRC~ESP~PRT

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by McCroskey

[washparkhorn 9,939]

Just now, Larry T. Spider said:

It always starts with the “both sides” bit then devolves into Biden being a radical socialist.

When anyone says Biden is a radical socialist, I know I am communicating with a cultist without a clue.