2020 Democratic National Convention

[McCroskey 1510]

2 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

McColonoscopy thinks Biden will allow blacks to burn the suburbs and nobody will answer the phone when grandma calls 911. 

It always starts with the “both sides” bit then devolves into Biden being a radical socialist.

I don't think Biden is a radical socialist at all.

[TexArcher 38854]

7 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

Yea nothing counts unless they literally have 2 Dakotas. 

3 if you count Dakota Fanning.

[Firemans4Horn 18501]

 

[Fozzz 152]

2 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Well excuse us for trying to elect people we hope might be able to salvage it.   Perhaps we should just all adopt a nihilistic attitude and not even try to fix it.   

I agree that it's going to be a mess.  The costs associated with this horrid response to Covid will hamstring us for decades, if for nothing else but the additional debt.  But just as devastating has been the damage to our position of leadership globally.  I will also admit that we've done some shady diplomatic shit, but I also can point to the Marshall Plan, the Berlin Air lift and other humanitarian missions.  We CAN be a nation of good humans, if we want to be.  If we fight for our core beliefs as a country that cares and leads, that spreads human rights and democracy.  To do that we have to wrestle legislative power away from those self serving people who get a little richer because of some reduced regulations.

But yes, historically you have made points about the US's darker, more ulterior motives around the globe.  I won't deny those things happened, but to fight that we as citizens need to be more aware of who we elect to represent us, to expect them to run our country in a transparent manner.   We haven't had that for decades now.

Just maybe we've had enough burn down now to wake us up and demand better governance.   We need to find more Charlie Wilsons, send them to Washington or Austin and stand behind them.

That's my hope.  I won't give it up easily.

The debt is only a concern in that it will be used to justify a recovery plan that will only make worse our current socioeconomic issues. This country is dead ideologically and the ones in charge are only concerned with looting the last remaining stores of value before departing this sinking ship. 

[TexArcher 38854]

5 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

It's amazing how numbers of confirmed cases so closely correlate to the number of tests given.  Here, I just selected a large number of European countries, and Japan, to compare to that graph above.  Amazing our positive rates are also higher, almost as if it's statistical probability.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-22..latest&country=USA~JPN~CAN~IRL~GBR~France%2C tests performed~DEU~GRC~ESP~PRT

 

 

 

So does testing for Covid cause people to die from Covid?

Because our stack of bodies is almost twice as high as any other country's.  And only third world Brazil is even close.  India has more than 3 times as many people and fewer than 1/3 as many deaths.  I guess it's a good thing they didn't test more?

You're either a Fox News parrot or a troll.  The fact that it's hard to tell says a lot.

Edited August 21, 2020 by TexArcher

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

4 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

It's amazing how numbers of confirmed cases so closely correlate to the number of tests given.  Here, I just selected a large number of European countries, and Japan, to compare to that graph above.  Amazing our positive rates are also higher, almost as if it's statistical probability.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-22..latest&country=USA~JPN~CAN~IRL~GBR~France%2C tests performed~DEU~GRC~ESP~PRT

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[Irwin F Fletcher 3555]

Undecided.  Not afraid to "own an opinion."

No I think you are. I voted for Trump in 2016. I was anti Hilary Clinton, anti Obama prior to that.

I've come to realize I was wrong on many fronts. The first being President Obama would be the down fall of America. I listened to Rush, Hannity and the rest of the idiots on Fox News announcing the Riders of the Apocalypse would appear if Obama was elected. Guess what, we somehow survived. Then I witnessed the complete 180 when Trump was elected and given a pass by Fox News and the GOP. That was my eye opening moment.

So 3.5 years into this mess and you can't see what a cluster fuck Trump is, and you can't see that he's in it for his specific enrichment then FUCK YOU if at this point you can't own an opinion.

Grow a pair of balls if you really are a man.

[McCroskey 1510]

5 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

. That said, call centers deserve regulation.

Agreed but the problem with TCPA was that it bundled in banks, credit unions, and many other businesses across the medical industry into the same buckets as traditional "call centers," the latter of which were oftentimes abusive and worthy of regulation.  The regs didn't clearly differentiate legitimate practices from harmful ones.

[David Dennison 19444]

14 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Name a western country anything remotely like the United States as it relates to our history, constitution, or population.  Can you? 

Those aren't exactly strong points.

[Mez2 4043]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Anyone want the link for the democratic party after party?

 

We're all going to treasures 

[McCroskey 1510]

3 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

So does testing for Covid cause people to die from Covid?

Because our stack of bodies is almost twice as high as any other country's.  And only third world Brazil is even close.  India has more than 3 times as many people and fewer than 1/3 as many deaths.  I guess it's a good thing they didn't test more?

You're either a Fox News parrot or a troll.  The fact that it's hard to tell says a lot.

No, but a person can also die from COVID and not have a positive test to show for it.  Other countries just aren't tracking this like we are, not even remotely as close.

Do you still think China has only had 4700 deaths?

[McCroskey 1510]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Those aren't exactly strong points.

Yeah, apples to apples comparisons are always such bullshit, and so inconvenient.

[pyrohornIII 4845]

5 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

As a long time democrat, I can tell you, I’m for less regulation of small businesses. Most regulation only benefits big businesses. That said, call centers deserve regulation.

This.  It's like the guy who makes 40-50 K a year is more likely to be audited (like by a hundred fold) than the one who makes 4-5 million a year.  Because our legislators have stripped funding from the IRS, which makes in depth audits of the more complicated incomes too expensive to pursue.  Therefore they can only afford to go after the little guy who can't pay professionals to represent him.     Basically the same as reducing the regulations if you can't enforce them.   It's the little guy who pays for the sins of the rich, kind of like the NCAA.

Same for legal system, environmental, etc.  We can sell off or lease govt lands for drilling and mining, logging.  But in some states you can't legally harvest the rainwater that falls on your roof.   Yeah, fuck your reduction of regulations made us all richer bullshit.

 

[ruitxn 299]

13 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Undecided.  Not afraid to "own an opinion."

So...you are undecided but decided to come here and list the same tired Fox-Republican talking points of the cult.  Thanks, I’ve read enough about your whinny  struggles.  I am not struggling at all concerning my vote.

[TexArcher 38854]

3 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

No, but a person can also die from COVID and not have a positive test to show for it.  Other countries just aren't tracking this like we are, not even remotely as close.

Do you still think China has only had 4700 deaths?

Don't take this the wrong way: you're an idiot.

[Gatorubet 30643]

12 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

 

I took a quick look at Italy.  They were about one third our US deaths when this was published.  Italy has had about 2,400 more deaths since then.  In that same time the U.S. has had another 72,000 deaths.   So yay us.      

Edited August 21, 2020 by Gatorubet

[pyrohornIII 4845]

11 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The debt is only a concern in that it will be used to justify a recovery plan that will only make worse our current socioeconomic issues. This country is dead ideologically and the ones in charge are only concerned with looting the last remaining stores of value before departing this sinking ship. 

That's not what I saw tonight.  But then we all see what we want to.  

4 minutes ago, Mez2 said:

We're all going to treasures 

I wish i'd have gone with you.  the afterparty sucked after Aubrey Plaza did her thing.   Alyssa Milano social justiced the fun out of the thing.

[Mez2 4043]

My vote's not hiding, I'm voting Biden!

 

Opposed to those fucks who are afraid but mostly ashamed, to say who they're voting for I have no doubt whatsoever (not that I did beforehand) going into the election who I am voting for. 

#ByeDon2020

[McCroskey 1510]

6 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

No I think you are. I voted for Trump in 2016. I was anti Hilary Clinton, anti Obama prior to that.

I've come to realize I was wrong on many fronts. The first being President Obama would be the down fall of America. I listened to Rush, Hannity and the rest of the idiots on Fox News announcing the Riders of the Apocalypse would appear if Obama was elected. Guess what, we somehow survived. Then I witnessed the complete 180 when Trump was elected and given a pass by Fox News and the GOP. That was my eye opening moment.

So 3.5 years into this mess and you can't see what a cluster fuck Trump is, and you can't see that he's in it for his specific enrichment then FUCK YOU if at this point you can't own an opinion.

Grow a pair of balls if you really are a man.

I voted for Obama twice.  Voted for Trump because for similar reasons, didn't like HIllary at all or her bullshit...thought we needed to mix it up with Trump.

And please tell me a single senior member of the Democratic party (or hell republican party for that matter) that hasn't stayed in politics at least partly for their own personal enrichment.  Biden entered public office at 29 years old and wasn't worth shit, yet somehow after all these years in "public service" he's earned tens of millions of dollars in book deals, salaries, benefits, etc...  Yeah, no hypocrisy there.

[washparkhorn 9968]

5 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

The costs associated with this horrid response to Covid will hamstring us for decades,

The costs have been horrible. And there is grave risk of a depression with loss of reserve currency status obliterating our ability to heal. The stupidity of Trump and his supporters puts this nation in clear and present danger. It is self destructive behavior. It is nihilism.

A simple explanation of the economic difficulties we are in as a nation is below. It is not pretty. We desparately need stability as a signal to the economic world that we are smart enough to take a pandemic seriously. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/20/dollar-weakening-sparks-worries-stay-worlds-reserve-currency/3396627001/

Spoiler

 

The greenback’s prominence in foreign exchange markets is being questioned for the first time in recent memory as the coronavirus pandemic blows up the national debt and the U.S. response to the crisis falls short of actions taken in other countries. Investors, in turn, have been moving money out of dollars and into gold, weakening the U.S. currency. Although many economists believe the dollar will ultimately hold on to its coveted role on the global financial stage, some experts say there’s at least a chance it won’t.

“Real concerns around the longevity of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency have started to emerge,” Goldman Sachs wrote in a note to clients late last month.

Since then, Congress has remained deadlocked over another stimulus bill to spur the U.S. economy and the dollar has dipped further against other foreign currencies.

“Certainly, there’s a risk” of the dollar slipping from its perch, says Gregory Daco, chief economist of Oxford Economics. “I don’t necessarily see any positive developments” to bolster the greenback into next year, though he believes it will keep its reserve currency position.

The dollar has fallen 10% against foreign currencies since peaking in mid-March, including a 5% slide since late June, reaching its lowest level since early 2018. Capital Economics, however, notes the greenback is still trading well above its 10-year average.

If the dollar loses its reserve-currency status over the next several years, it likely would push up interest rates for American consumers and businesses, making everything from buying a house to building a factory more expensive. Even if the greenback remains the world’s reserve currency but continues to weaken, purchases of foreign goods would cost Americans more, pushing up inflation. Stockholders, though, likely would benefit.

As a reserve currency, the dollar is held in massive quantities by central banks worldwide and used for international transactions, such as oil purchases. The greenback strengthens when investors and central banks acquire dollars in exchange for other currencies, and when foreign investors buy U.S. assets, such as Treasury bonds and American stocks, forcing them to trade their currencies for dollars. It weakens when a shaky economy prompts investors to flee U.S. investments.

During the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, amid the prospect of a deep and abrupt global recession, the dollar’s value gained further as the crisis took a bigger toll on Europe and Asia and investors piled into less risky U.S. assets.

In recent months, however, the dollar has taken it on the chin. Here’s why:

The health crisis: While the pandemic has eased in Europe, improving the continent’s prospects for a solid economic recovery, it intensified in the U.S. in late June and July. COVID-19 outbreaks spiked in Southern and Western states that allowed businesses to reopen early, forcing them to reverse course.

“The (U.S.) virus response is definitely perceived to be inadequate relative to other countries,” says economist Troy Ludtka of research firm Natixis.

Stimulus in Europe, fights in Congress 

The European Union recently agreed to a 700 billion euro ($828 billion) economic stimulus package that shares the cost burden among countries. Congress, meanwhile, is locked in a weeks-long stalemate, with the Democratic-majority House passing a $3 trillion measure and the Republican Senate favoring a $1 trillion plan.

The euro “has benefited from signs that European policymakers are finally getting their act together,” economist Neil Shearing of Capital Economics wrote in a note to clients.

 

TLDR - Biden supporters can say truthfully our economic viability has been put into doubt by Trump's COVID response. The data is there. The numbers don't lie. 

[Texaspython 231]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

I voted for Obama twice.  Voted for Trump because for similar reasons, didn't like HIllary at all or her bullshit...thought we needed to mix it up with Trump.

And please tell me a single senior member of the Democratic party (or hell republican party for that matter) that hasn't stayed in politics at least partly for their own personal enrichment.  Biden entered public office at 29 years old and wasn't worth shit, yet somehow after all these years in "public service" he's earned tens of millions of dollars in book deals, salaries, benefits, etc...  Yeah, no hypocrisy there.

Do you know anything about Joe Biden because what you just said really indicates you don’t.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3555]

I voted for Obama twice.  Voted for Trump because for similar reasons, didn't like HIllary at all or her bullshit...thought we needed to mix it up with Trump.
And please tell me a single senior member of the Democratic party (or hell republican party for that matter) that hasn't stayed in politics at least partly for their own personal enrichment.  Biden entered public office at 29 years old and wasn't worth shit, yet somehow after all these years in "public service" he's earned tens of millions of dollars in book deals, salaries, benefits, etc...  Yeah, no hypocrisy there.

Props for thinking we needed "to mix it up with Trump". If you still think this is a winning strategy for our country then you are an idiot. A FUCKING IDIOT.

Biden wasn't my first choice but he has my

With that, any Congressman or Senator who has enabled Trump will never receive a vote from me, that is how corrupt I believe Trump is.

My friends and family who support Trump will remain my friends and family, though I will from here on out always question their judgement if they vote for Trump in 2020.

[washparkhorn 9968]

21 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The debt is only a concern in that it will be used to justify a recovery plan that will only make worse our current socioeconomic issues. 

Agree. The debt becomes a crisis quickly if we lose reserve currency status. We are closer to that point with our Covid response. 

[Irieguy 1059]

3 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Props for thinking we needed "to mix it up with Trump". If you still think this is a winning strategy for our country then you are an idiot. A FUCKING IDIOT.

Biden wasn't my first choice but he has my

With that, any Congressman or Senator who has enabled Trump will never receive a vote from me, that is how corrupt I believe Trump is.

My friends and family who support Trump will remain my friends and family, though I will from here on out always question their judgement if they vote for Trump in 2020.

This. There are degrees of corruption. Biden made a lot of money from the private sector AFTER retiring from politics. Did that affect his decisions prior to leaving? Not that I’ve seen to a great degree. Trump meanwhile is actively grifting while in office. How much has the secret service spent at Trump properties?  That’s what I care about.  Not if some housewives buy Biden’s book. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Irieguy

[McCroskey 1510]

37 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

And now we get to the truth. I made some more money so I’m going to defend Trump while we separate families at the border, allow bounties to be put on our troops heads, degrade our country on the world stage, hire grifters to work in the administration, actively try to suppress the minority vote, and shit on everything that actually makes America great. Enjoy your raise.

You weren't paying attention, I didn't take a raise and haven't since 2016 but rather we've used the savings to hire 8 new employees, only one of which is single and female.  The other 7 all have families of their own.

Jesus man, stop trying to play this fucking morality card that if someone disagrees with something you believe in they are the enemy or somehow corrupt. 

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

1 minute ago, McCroskey said:

You weren't paying attention, I didn't take a raise and haven't since 2016 but rather we've used the savings to hire 8 new employees, only one of which is single and female.  The other 7 all have families of their own.

Jesus man, stop trying to play this fucking morality card that if someone disagrees with something you believe in they are the enemy or somehow corrupt. 

You are “undecided” about voting for the most vile, corrupt human to occupy the White House in generations. A man who gives no shits about bounties being placed on our troops or brown kids being stolen from their parents or if hundreds of thousands of Americans die from this virus or if thousands more are illegally denied their right to vote....and you equate that to playing the morality card. 

This isn’t a simple disagreement about tax policy. It’s ALL about morality and trump supporters are absolutely the enemy. We are trying to save our democracy here.

FWIW I voted 100% republican for most of my life and Hillary was the first dem I voted for for president. I’m not some psycho lib but I know what Trump is.

[Queen Bitch 1692]

Let me guess, you'd have voted for Obama for a third term if you could.

[McCroskey 1510]

You are “undecided” about voting for the most vile, corrupt human to occupy the White House in generations. A man who gives no shits about bounties being placed on our troops or brown kids being stolen from their parents or if hundreds of thousands of Americans die from this virus or if thousands more are illegally denied their right to vote....and you equate that to playing the morality card. 
This isn’t a simple disagreement about tax policy. It’s ALL about morality and trump supporters are absolutely the enemy. We are trying to save our democracy here.
FWIW I voted 100% republican for most of my life and Hillary was the first dem I voted for for president. I’m not some psycho lib but I know what Trump is.

Well that’s like your opinion, man. The morality thing is interesting, lots of twists in that pretzel for sure.

I’m out, have enjoyed the discussion even though some think I’m a troll. I’m not, and really enjoy this place and reading comments far more often than posting.


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[Mole 4338]

19 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

This. There are degrees of corruption. Biden made a lot of money from the private sector AFTER retiring from politics. Did that affect his decisions prior to leaving? Not that I’ve seen to a great degree. Trump meanwhile is actively grifting while in office. How much has the secret service spent at Trump properties?  That’s what I care about.  Not if some housewives buy Biden’s book. 

Yep. Actively funneling government money into his pockets and actively accepting bribes by foreign parties seeking to influence him through his properties, using the force of the federal government to cover for his criminal dealings, etc.

[ultimaton 2985]

57 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

It's amazing how numbers of confirmed cases so closely correlate to the number of tests given.  Here, I just selected a large number of European countries, and Japan, to compare to that graph above.  Amazing our positive rates are also higher, almost as if it's statistical probability.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-22..latest&country=USA~JPN~CAN~IRL~GBR~France%2C tests performed~DEU~GRC~ESP~PRT

 

 

 

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

So the fact my business is now saving tens of thousands of dollars per year for what were previously bullshit TCPA compliance rules is wrong?  That, along with other reduced regs, has allowed us to hire 8-9 additional employees now since 2017.

Ahhh, you’re an “I got mine so I can overlook all the racism and fascism and human rights abuses and death and criminality” asshole.

You’re the worst kind of person.

[Satchel 6982]

2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

They're all wrong except the lower taxes part.

 

There are middle class people whose taxes have not been lowered but raised.

[Satchel 6982]

2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

They're all wrong except the lower taxes part.

 

There are middle class people whose taxes have not been lowered but raised.

[Mdhorn 6153]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

So does testing for Covid cause people to die from Covid?

Because our stack of bodies is almost twice as high as any other country's.  And only third world Brazil is even close.  India has more than 3 times as many people and fewer than 1/3 as many deaths.  I guess it's a good thing they didn't test more?

You're either a Fox News parrot or a troll.  The fact that it's hard to tell says a lot.

Well COVID is fake so why is Trump always trying to sell a vaccine? We're arguing with someone who's answer is profit, which is no different from Trump's grift. Hospitals are full of fake COVID but whatever rationalizes profits will be McC's philosophy of the hour.   

[washparkhorn 9968]

4 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Well that’s like your opinion, man. The morality thing is interesting, lots of twists in that pretzel for sure.

I’m out, have enjoyed the discussion even though some think I’m a troll. I’m not, and really enjoy this place and reading comments far more often than posting.

There are many unassailable facts about Trump that make him unfit for office. One is that he did not follow the wisest campaign promises he made. He abandoned them and demonstrated reckless abandonment of those who voted him in to office. He joined the swamp. And with his acquiescence, we are closer to a Kleptocracy than the oligarchical Republic we had in 2016.
 

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He said he would restore power to individuals. He abandoned that promise. He had horrible counsel, but he deviated from the core democratic principles he promised. That matters to this nation. 

Kleptocracies are outlaw nations in this world. They are undemocratic. Our Republic is founded on democracy. We are a Western Nation. We have a have a history of supporting democratic ideals. Every deviation from that ideal - One person, One vote - erodes the central pillar of our nation.

That is how Presidents are judged. The Nation is beholden to all its people. Kleptocrats don't give a damn about individuals and liberty - or democratic values. They are been consumed by greed. That's not America as intended.

The current President is a failed experiment in democracy. That happens. And it causes real damage. When the Incumbent President fails, a new President is elected. The first job of newly elected President is to stop the bleeding. The next step is to promote healing with unity.

Everyone has a voice. Trump supporters need to remember those songs about America come from feelings of unity. The people own America, not the President or anyone else supporting antidemocratic believes. Patriots are defined as the ones who bring us together as a nation. Patriots are agents who work for democratic values. 

Trump failed the Swamp test. He was easily distracted and forgot why he was elected.

It is okay to say - I have had enough of Trump. Another four years of Trump is just too much.

Biden is no different than a country club republican. He is more like Romney and Bush II in terms of economics and defense. The nation wants a caretaker President. Biden will hire competent managers (who will have to face a lot of silly karen complaints). Most Trump supporters from 2016 I know are voting Biden to stave off further damage caused by Trump's lack of curiosity and intellectual discipline.

Biden is certainly not Clinton.Put away that notion. The Clintons are facing cancellation by the Democratic Party. They should have retreated into the background after 2008. 

Biden is an incrementalist. He is a safe President for the nation that we all love. She doesn't work as well as she could. She needs work so she that she works for everyone.

We are closer to that goal and aspiration with Biden. 

 

Good luck in your journey. 

Spoiler

 

If you want to read about democracy and see how Trump matches up, this is a nice entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of philosophy for a deeper dive -   https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democracy/

The wikipedia on democracy is a good overview (check out the references always when trying to deep dive on philosophy) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

For a more elegant discussion of kleptocracy mechanics - see https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/how-kleptocracies-work/606958/

 

 

 

[honolulu horn 6221]

1 hour ago, McCroskey said:

You weren't paying attention, I didn't take a raise and haven't since 2016 but rather we've used the savings to hire 8 new employees, only one of which is single and female.  The other 7 all have families of their own.

Jesus man, stop trying to play this fucking morality card that if someone disagrees with something you believe in they are the enemy or somehow corrupt. 

My taxes will definitely be lower this year, since my salary was slashed in the wake of the government's COVID mismanagement. Still, I consider myself lucky to pay less taxes compared to the 10 million people out of a job. Fuck Trump and all of his bullshit, and fuck him especially for enabling the rich to make an additional $300 billion since COVID hit. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by honolulu horn

[washparkhorn 9968]

2 hours ago, Fozzz said:

There is truth to this.

http://patrimoinenumeriqueafricain.com:8080/jspui/bitstream/123456789/444/1/american ideology %2Cenglish-converti.pdf

History's lessons are lost on the young. 

Thanks for the link. Hook 'em.

[honolulu horn 6221]

1 hour ago, McCroskey said:

No, but a person can also die from COVID and not have a positive test to show for it.  Other countries just aren't tracking this like we are, not even remotely as close.

Do you still think China has only had 4700 deaths?

The US has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's COVID deaths. But since I suspect you'll disregard numbers and facts, let me get meta. Before the pandemic we were the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world. We could've and should've mitigated this far better than we did. Spin the numbers however you like. Trump fucked this up from the jump and there's no disputing that. Trump's lack of response has killed more than 175,000 people. It's like saying Midland, Brownsville, or Killeen just don't exist anymore. Poof. 

Fuck Trump in the goat ass for pushing our great country to oblivion. 

[Mdhorn 6153]

2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

This.  It's like the guy who makes 40-50 K a year is more likely to be audited (like by a hundred fold) than the one who makes 4-5 million a year.  Because our legislators have stripped funding from the IRS, which makes in depth audits of the more complicated incomes too expensive to pursue.  Therefore they can only afford to go after the little guy who can't pay professionals to represent him.     Basically the same as reducing the regulations if you can't enforce them.   It's the little guy who pays for the sins of the rich, kind of like the NCAA.

Same for legal system, environmental, etc.  We can sell off or lease govt lands for drilling and mining, logging.  But in some states you can't legally harvest the rainwater that falls on your roof.   Yeah, fuck your reduction of regulations made us all richer bullshit.

 

And that's why we don't want to privatize social security, medicare, prisons, federal/public parklands, hospitals, etc--the whole Republican plan.  Laws and everything else tilts even further to the top.  Trump and his lawlessness is more proof of this and it accelerates if he wins a second term.  He's handing out pardons to criminals that were already getting light sentences for treason.  DOTARD dismantling Democracy seems like reason enough to vote against him.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Mdhorn

[Gourmand 7778]

2 hours ago, McCroskey said:

I voted for Obama twice.  Voted for Trump because for similar reasons, didn't like HIllary at all or her bullshit...thought we needed to mix it up with Trump.

 

You are a gigantic fucking moron if you voted for Obama and then voted for Trump over Hillary just to "mix it up." Do you hear how stupid that is? Hillary was the most accomplished and deserving presidential candidate in modern history, and she warned you repeatedly about the dangerous nature of Donald Trump but you were cowed into believing decades of anti-Hillary misogynistic right-wing attacks against her character and ability. Dumbfucks like you are why we are in a giant vat of Trumpian shit.

 

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Now Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough. But what he’s doing here is more sinister. Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of President he’d be.

And that’s what I want to make clear today. A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the Internet should never run our government our command our military.

Ask yourself, if he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans? Now I — I know that some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself, that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere. Because, after all, it is hard to believe anyone, let alone a nominee for president, could really believe all the things he says. But here’s the hard truth. There is no other Donald Trump. This is it.

 

Hillary Clinton, August 25 2016

[NWBuck 8621]

4 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

 

First of all... this is fake news, since everyone knows that our figures are so high because we use the best tests for deathness that there are. Tremendous tests. We use the good ones, and a lot of them, and that's why we have such high numbers.

Second, we can't tell which capita this is referring to, and there are many of them, so it's hard to check your terrible numberers and sciences stuff. Why don't you go peddle this crap on MSNBC?

Edited August 21, 2020 by NWBuck

[Homercles 10206]

McCroskey gave away his intentions the moment he said ‘I despise Trump but’...it’s a pattern you see all the time on here, the PredictIt comments, etc.  Don’t take the bait.  

Edited August 21, 2020 by Homercles

[Bateshorn 9989]

7 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

So what was it like to stand on the dais in the House?

Awe inspiring, honestly. It makes one believe in the power of democracy.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Awe inspiring, honestly. It makes one believe in the power of democracy.

I would imagine it to be. I’ve only ever been in a state capitol building. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 hours ago, Satchel said:

There are middle class people whose taxes have not been lowered but raised.

I feel like the Biden campaign is missing the easiest layup with this one. So many middle class folks took a sizable pay cut with Trump’s tax scam. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Stands up. Yes, yes we did. 
 

Funny thing is that I would much rather take the hit if it was going to health care for people that don’t have it because that actually grows the damn economy. 
 

(a raise in taxes hit)

Edited August 21, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
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[Dbeasy 15533]

McCroskey,

Setting aside some of the more hysterical comments, as someone who has gone thru a long journey of research and education on Trump over the last four years, I would strongly encourage you to really try to do some research before Election Day.

We are all subject to media snippet sound bites that shape our political views. This has become worse as a result of media propaganda outlets posing as news sources.

I’m a businessperson who has voted for both parties over the years. I’d historically leaned right and was thinking about voting for Trump in 2016 before I learned that the image he carefully crafted didn’t match the reality of him as a person or businessman. There is plenty of objective evidence on the internet about him. And of course, his daily behavior of lying every day multiple times a day, developing terrible relationships with foreign countries and leaders, and embarrassing the US globally are just a few additional items to be considered.

But more importantly, go look at the specific results of his specific policy initiatives. He has failed at just about every single one. The only theoretically positive accomplishment from his entire administration has been a tax cut that kept the economy moving forward and reduced unemployment.

However when you dig deeper, you will see that it was a gimmicky, damaging policy because it led to deficit spending of over one trillion per year in what was a great economy. If you talk to just about any economist, that was and is a very bad decision. It’s a temporary juice and soon we will have to deal with now historic debt levels. Remember the Republican Party is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility and they’ve completely failed at it.

Go down the list of other initiatives. Taking on China is actually a good idea. But he’s failed miserably because of how he has chosen to take them on.

Immigration policy hasn’t been addressed. Healthcare hasn’t been addressed and in fact he’s been trying to tear down the only solution that is in place today, with no alternative to move towards.

The re-write of Nafta was just a publicity stunt.

His troop decisions have been a disaster. North Korea and Iran have been disasters.

He’s fostered more conflict and racial disharmony than any President in memory.

He’s crude, unintelligent, mean, and a target of ridicule by almost everyone around him. A long list of respected military leaders and Republican Party members have dropped support for him.

His and his family’s business interests border on criminal behavior. He’s had multiple members of his administration indicted or convicted of crimes. He has no moral compass whatsoever, pardoning convicted criminals and working to remove prosecutors. He’s enriching friends thru contract awards.

He’s placed incredibly incompetent people at the head of multiple government departments. He’s lost hundreds of competent administration officials because of his incompetence.

He bullshit the public about a wall and México paying for it.

He has mismanaged the pandemic so badly he created the no mask wearing mindset, and has extended the life of the virus worse than any other country in the world. This blunder has cost the country $3 trillion and counting.

By any objective evaluation he has been one of the worst Presidents in our country’s history. But people can’t see it because they listen to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Brietbart.

For the love of country, please research it. The country desperately needs your vote.

[Bateshorn 9989]

I have this entire rant that they should use the AMT as a secondary tax regime for the rich.  Like if you get to the AGI line on the 1040, and the number is over, say, 400k, it just says: STOP, YOU MUST USE THE 1040-RICH.

 

Also,  I would like to remind everyone of you like to travel, a US Passport right now will get you into Mexico and Croatia...plus a handful of dictatorships you don’t actually want to visit.  Great Again!

Edited August 21, 2020 by Bateshorn

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

21 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

McCroskey,

Setting aside some of the more hysterical comments, as someone who has gone thru a long journey of research and education on Trump over the last four years, I would strongly encourage you to really try to do some research before Election Day.

We are all subject to media snippet sound bites that shape our political views. This has become worse as a result of media propaganda outlets posing as news sources.

I’m a businessperson who has voted for both parties over the years. I’d historically leaned right and was thinking about voting for Trump in 2016 before I learned that the image he carefully crafted didn’t match the reality of him as a person or businessman. There is plenty of objective evidence on the internet about him. And of course, his daily behavior of lying every day multiple times a day, developing terrible relationships with foreign countries and leaders, and embarrassing the US globally are just a few additional items to be considered.

But more importantly, go look at the specific results of his specific policy initiatives. He has failed at just about every single one. The only theoretically positive accomplishment from his entire administration has been a tax cut that kept the economy moving forward and reduced unemployment.

However when you dig deeper, you will see that it was a gimmicky, damaging policy because it led to deficit spending of over one trillion per year in what was a great economy. If you talk to just about any economist, that was and is a very bad decision. It’s a temporary juice and soon we will have to deal with now historic debt levels. Remember the Republican Party is supposed to be about fiscal responsibility and they’ve completely failed at it.

Go down the list of other initiatives. Taking on China is actually a good idea. But he’s failed miserably because of how he has chosen to take them on.

Immigration policy hasn’t been addressed. Healthcare hasn’t been addressed and in fact he’s been trying to tear down the only solution that is in place today, with no alternative to move towards.

The re-write of Nafta was just a publicity stunt.

His troop decisions have been a disaster. North Korea and Iran have been disasters.

He’s fostered more conflict and racial disharmony than any President in memory.

He’s crude, unintelligent, mean, and a target of ridicule by almost everyone around him. A long list of respected military leaders and Republican Party members have dropped support for him.

His and his family’s business interests border on criminal behavior. He’s had multiple members of his administration indicted or convicted of crimes. He has no moral compass whatsoever, pardoning convicted criminals and working to remove prosecutors. He’s enriching friends thru contract awards.

He’s placed incredibly incompetent people at the head of multiple government departments. He’s lost hundreds of competent administration officials because of his incompetence.

He bullshit the public about a wall and México paying for it.

He has mismanaged the pandemic so badly he created the no mask wearing mindset, and has extended the life of the virus worse than any other country in the world. This blunder has cost the country $3 trillion and counting.

By any objective evaluation he has been one of the worst Presidents in our country’s history. But people can’t see it because they listen to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Brietbart.

For the love of country, please research it. The country desperately needs your vote.

That was very well said, rep to you. I suspect that for the short term fat wallet voter, the TL/DR effect is in effect. A sad state of affairs to be sure as you explained everything very nicely.

However, I would say that on a site that is overwhelmingly graduates of the University of Texas at Austin and as someone who, while not a graduate, but now a resident from Texas that if you (or any other waffling voter of whom I'm convinced doesn't really exist) don't consider @Dbeasy reasons (or you're not simply trolling for jollies) you listen to another degree holder from this school. This man, an accomplished man in every sense of the word, brought tears to my eyes with his commencement speech of 2014 to UT grads. This man broke tradition to speak out about the dangers of what we were facing with the current Administration and his words were true in October in the New York Times and they were true this month in the Washington Post. Listen to ret Navy Admiral McRaven when he says, 'do not re-elect this man.'

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
Stupidity on my part

[JimmyJames 12271]

I see a “I’m a small business owner who trump has really helped out but I’m undecided” troll showed up last night. Did marco stanco have the night off?.