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No I think you are. I voted for Trump in 2016. I was anti Hilary Clinton, anti Obama prior to that. I've come to realize I was wrong on many fronts. The first being President Obama would be the down

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McCroskey, Setting aside some of the more hysterical comments, as someone who has gone thru a long journey of research and education on Trump over the last four years, I would strongly encourage you

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I know some of y'all get irritated when I talk about concern trolls, but that's what we will see on this board over the next 70 days.  This is a board full of former old school GOP voters from the fla

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When anyone says Biden is a radical socialist, I know I am communicating with a cultist without a clue. 

Reminds me of  one of my favorite quotes about Bill Clinton from Molly Ivins, who we miss desperately during these dark times: 

“Besides, no one but a fool or a Republican ever took him for a liberal." 

 

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I know some of y'all get irritated when I talk about concern trolls, but that's what we will see on this board over the next 70 days.  This is a board full of former old school GOP voters from the flagship university in a pink state.  You guys are on the front lines of pro GOP internet troll efforts.  It's not like the Aggies, where it's keeping the bulk of MAGA Aggies enthusiastic and voting.  Instead, it's sowing doubt among former GOP voters, possibly bringing one or two of you back into the fold, but for the bulk, it's hoping to get you not to vote. That's the goal.  They'll rarely sell Trump other than maybe the economy.  It'll be about how the system is broken, Biden is too old, the Democrats are communist.  This is the thought they want to foster:  "Trump is the worst, but I don't trust the Democrats/Biden/Pelosi, Everything is fubar, I'm not voting."  In 2016 it was "Trump?  Uh....IDK...Man.....I hate Hilary, but she's probably going to win, Gary Johnson/Jill Stein is kinda kookie....but 3rd party is a way to keep my principles"

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Out of curiosity, given that event was virtual and you didn't have folks en masse traveling to a location for the event, why not make it two days. Could have done nominations etc during daytime and knocked all that procedural shit out and saved big ticket speeches etc for prime time.

Just seems weird to hew to old approach to the convention in a virtual setting. Stretching it out over 5 days might be necessary in person for the celebration/consensus building/boondoggle nature of traveling, maintaining over 5 days virtually just seems like a momentum killer.

 

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I know some of y'all get irritated when I talk about concern trolls, but that's what we will see on this board over the next 70 days.  This is a board full of former old school GOP voters from the flagship university in a pink state.  You guys are on the front lines of pro GOP internet troll efforts.  It's not like the Aggies, where it's keeping the bulk of MAGA Aggies enthusiastic and voting.  Instead, it's sowing doubt among former GOP voters, possibly bringing one or two of you back into the fold, but for the bulk, it's hoping to get you not to vote. That's the goal.  They'll rarely sell Trump other than maybe the economy.  It'll be about how the system is broken, Biden is too old, the Democrats are communist.  This is the thought they want to foster:  "Trump is the worst, but I don't trust the Democrats/Biden/Pelosi, Everything is fubar, I'm not voting."  In 2016 it was "Trump?  Uh....IDK...Man.....I hate Hilary, but she's probably going to win, Gary Johnson/Jill Stein is kinda kookie....but 3rd party is a way to keep my principles"

This is exactly correct. They have been posting in other boards on this site for months repping each other so they don’t get crowdsourced banned on this board. 
 

Notice what that troll did last night. First started with bullshit about Biden and the teleprompter in the middle of his great speech then took the trolling wherever it led from there. 

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10 hours ago, McCroskey said:

Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

I can understand that, you are a conservative at heart.  Unfortunately, in todays GOP, conservative policy comes laced with lies, falsehoods, ignorance, white nationalism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, hatred, violence and death.

Your best chance to have a conservative party to support that you don't have to sell your soul for is for the GOP to lose the White House and Senate.  The Republican Party will be reformed from the ashes more towards the center and away from its hard-right break that has been inclusive of the poisons listed above.

Being conservative does not make you a liar, or a misogynist, or a racist, or a fascist or a supporter of violence against minorities.  But if you support the GOP now, in this election, you are all of those things.  Because in voting for Trump, you will have voted to promote, sustain and expand all of those things.

I have voted 8 times for President.  3 times I cast votes for Republicans.  5 times I cast votes for Dems.  This year will be the first time I will vote straight Dem in a presidential general election, and I will continue to do so until the Republican Party purges itself of those poisons or dies from consuming them.

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Parscale might have been a grifter, but the fucker was good at the intertrons.  They've been working this board for months, building each other up, presumbably as socks of a one or two posters (and not Hitby, since everyone else is a Hitby sock).  I'm sure they are on the UNC boards, Michigan, Iowa, Penn St/Pitt... this isn't happening by accident.  Non of us remember them from TOS, and they stay off the actual football/recruiting threads, but they've been active on DT/food/Movies/music.  Part of the community, but not the reason we all are ultimately here.  We KNOW Bamachick and Hugo, because we talked shit during football season.

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That's astute and didn't even occur to me-I remember a lot of you if you kept your avatar or posted something that stuck in my brain between the old and the new. But I have always assumed Surly  just gained either new people since I the span was quite awhile or new avatars and stuff. Anyone that trolled I figured was just a bored graduate or student or aggie.

 

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That's astute and didn't even occur to me-I remember a lot of you if you kept your avatar or posted something that stuck in my brain between the old and the new. But I have always assumed Surly  just gained either new people since I the span was quite awhile or new avatars and stuff. Anyone that trolled I figured was just a bored graduate or student or aggie.

 

I mean, DT has become the safe space for the more conservative longhorn posters, other than the whack jobs like Onboard. 

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yeah...Mccloskey's schtick last night reminded me of Joe the Plumber, just a real small business guy really 'struggling' about who to vote for in 2008... Obama recognized him for a troll, as did most of this board last night. 

instead of giving a speech, Hillary should have just appeared on camera with a glass of wine and said 'i told y'all'

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I thought about Biden and some of the stories folks were talking about last night during the convention. Some of these stories go way way back. Back to when he was newly elected. For all him being a career politician (one of the anti-Biden talking points), this is who he is and people remember him for it.

All we have on this earth is a finite amount of time but moment to moment it can be outward or inward. Joe chooses outward and those folks were helped. When I contrast that with Trump, I"m trying to think of people in his past who have a good relationship with him that aren't bound by NDAs and I don't know if I can't think of one can you? It's like the family that wrote the scathing obit after their dad died, which is often seen as a cultural taboo except living Trump has no living champions that he doesn't own in some fashion.

It's really stark, and I know the producers will be able to work around it during the RNC but it does highlight the differences and shows how persecuted the Trump supporters think of themselves (*in a way) and how it became a self fulfilling prophecy through their own shitty behavior.

 

*Low self-esteem that outwardly displays as arrogance, racial superiority,  you get the idea. In some respects, any love and affection that is shown toward  young Braydon as he stutters and is helped creates envy within them from their own time at that age when perhaps they didn't feel worthy. Some people overcome that, others don't. Doesn't excuse racist shitty behavior, but it can help others if they know where it might be coming from.

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I'm so happy I have mostly purged my social media of "conservative" clowns. I can't imagine the horrible things they are saying about that kid, and if I saw it, I might literally lose my mind about how horrible this country has become. Like it would probably drive me to a serious clinical depression at the thought of them making fun of a kid because of their political god.

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32 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

History’s greatest monster.

lol empathy my ass - so much empathy the head of his transition team is already putting the fucking deficit ahead of helping out the tens of millions of Americans who are housing and food insecure. 

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1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

One of my favorite things about Biden is his personality is always "I've had 2.5 drinks and I love you man" mode. It's just so earnest.

Biden strikes me as a guy who went into politics because he genuinely likes people and, as a result, is genuinely liked by people. He’s like W, but without the cabinet of nefarious ghouls whispering evil plans into his ear.

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Biden strikes me as a guy who went into politics because he genuinely likes people and, as a result, is genuinely liked by people. He’s like W, but without the cabinet of nefarious ghouls whispering evil plans into his ear.

Biden reminds me of George HW Bush in so many ways when it comes to personal empathy and compassion.  His politics are about the same too. 

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2 hours ago, Goredho said:

I can understand that, you are a conservative at heart.  Unfortunately, in todays GOP, conservative policy comes laced with lies, falsehoods, ignorance, white nationalism, bigotry, misogyny, racism, hatred, violence and death.

Your best chance to have a conservative party to support that you don't have to sell your soul for is for the GOP to lose the White House and Senate.  The Republican Party will be reformed from the ashes more towards the center and away from its hard-right break that has been inclusive of the poisons listed above.

Being conservative does not make you a liar, or a misogynist, or a racist, or a fascist or a supporter of violence against minorities.  But if you support the GOP now, in this election, you are all of those things.  Because in voting for Trump, you will have voted to promote, sustain and expand all of those things.

I have voted 8 times for President.  3 times I cast votes for Republicans.  5 times I cast votes for Dems.  This year will be the first time I will vote straight Dem in a presidential general election, and I will continue to do so until the Republican Party purges itself of those poisons or dies from consuming them.

Appreciate this reply...not sure I'll be able to catch-up on the rest of them directed at me but this one at last caught my attention. 

As I said last night I clearly get I'm in the minority here, it is what it is.  That said, the hypocrisy is rich as hell if you honestly think there aren't plenty of people within the democratic party...even some all the way at or near the top...who aren't in some way fascist, racist, mysogynist, liars, or supporters of violence against minorities.  It goes back to my point last night, BOTH sides have skin in this game for all these things which is why I don't really care for either candidate, or either party for that matter. 

People deserve better.  The longer I live the better I understand why societies typically only last a few hundred years at most before crumbling.

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For those of you not wanting the party to end tonight...Lincoln Project is hosting/producing a virtual town hall this evening at 6:00p-CDT with Reed, Madrid, Jennifer Horn, Mike Wilson, et. al.---the folks who've brought you all the great anti-Trump ads of the last few months.  Webinar/Zoom ID:  999 2122 2525   Donate $1 and get a passcode.  

should be scathing, if nothing else.  Gonna bother the fuck out of Trump as well. 100,000 registrants already, so not convention-like numbers, but nothing to scoff at Trumpers.  I plan to be half in the bag by then.  

 

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49 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

He will get pushed off of that by the Warren/Yang/Bernnie faction.  There is some money that needs to flow to the lower middle classes to kick start our economy. No way they don't understand that.

People hoarding most of the money in our country need to pay taxes to support services and to help with economic stimulus. Biden mentioned it in his speech but that is one thing I think won't happen even if dems win both houses of congress. Either he won't follow through or congress will not do it because middle class idiots still think that they are more important than they are and that any tax increase is bad for them even if they are targeted to their boss's boss's boss's boss.

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14 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

When I travel, I see a lot of Americans in whatever countries pharmacies.  But you don't have to travel to Europe for an example; Yuma is an American border town where Americans regularly cross into Mexico for dental and medical needs. Elderly Americans come down over the winter months and stay in Yuma because it's warmer.  I've been told by several of these Trump voters, my parents and their friends, that there was nothing wrong with America's healthcare while failing to see the irony in getting all of their medical needs taken care of in Mexico.  Tijuana and Nogales are other examples and I'm pretty sure before Canada closed their borders, they too were prime for serving American medical needs.  

True. My spouse had a major surgery not covered by insurance, and we went to Canada. All out of pocket, it cost literally less than half of what it would cost here, and there was world-class care and a world-class doctor (no exaggeration). 

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On 8/19/2020 at 9:50 AM, Pig Bellmont said:

I thought this was a joke. Has the GOP fallen so far that a racist couple with no basic understanding of gun safety get a speaking spot at the fucking convention and yet the last Republican President is nowhere to be found?
 

They should be embarrassed but don’t understand shame. This *must* be the biggest landslide loss in presidential politics. It’s the only way to divorce the party from the fringes. 

It's because they have no policies.  So they have to "argue" or appeal on the basis of "cultural" things.  Sandmann and the McCloskeys have nothing whatsoever to do with the policies of conservatism or any other movement.  They're just icons of stupidity and "muh rights" and "them commanis and hommasekshuls."  Oh, yeah, don't forget the nigras and messkins.

We, the Republican Party, offer you, the American People, no policies or benefits, but we don't like them libruls, they is all commanis, nigras, messkins, and hommasekshuls, sometimes all at once!  Do you have any idea what the queers are doing to the soil?

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12 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

True. My spouse had a major surgery not covered by insurance, and we went to Canada. All out of pocket, it cost literally less than half of what it would cost here, and there was world-class care and a world-class doctor (no exaggeration). 

Curious, why wasn't it covered by insurance?  Also curious that there are pretty credible reports that Canadians have insane waits for most healthcare procedures, although I am sure some of the more rarefied ones do not.  Can foreigners just jump the queue?

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49 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

That said, the hypocrisy is rich as hell if you honestly think there aren't plenty of people within the democratic party...even some all the way at or near the top...who aren't in some way fascist, racist, mysogynist, liars, or supporters of violence against minorities. 

Hey troll....you missed a big fucking distinction.  While there are assholes like that in EVERY crowd, only one party has made that assholery THEIR FUCKING BASE AND PLATFORM.  It's not like Trump and Miller are competent officials who happen to have done/said some racist shit or told a few lies.  Being racist, mysogynist, fascist liars IS THEIR BRAND.  Those aren't unfortunate attributes, they are the core identity, and they are CELEBRATED.

There's only one reason to support Trump and Trumpism over any of the alternatives: you like those things.  They are good to you.  Because they are exactly what Trumpism is.  Take those things away -- the lies, the demonization of the other, the grift, etc. -- and there's literally nothing left except some tasteless White House Christmas decorations.

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22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Curious, why wasn't it covered by insurance?  Also curious that there are pretty credible reports that Canadians have insane waits for most healthcare procedures, although I am sure some of the more rarefied ones do not.  Can foreigners just jump the queue?

There was a former health care system guy that had a change of heart and admitted to pushing stories about long wait times and bad service. I think it was on NPR and Canadians chimed in to say that they a have way better health care than we are led to believe. I'll try to find it.

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Less regulations.  Lower taxes.  Improved foreign policy positions (I don't demand foreign countries "like" our president), stronger immigration policies (legal is great, illegal is well, illegal), increased energy independence, separation from bullshit treaties and accords (Iran, Paris, etc...), more accountability to NATO countries, tougher stances on the UN, pushing through better judges.  Those are at the top of my mind.

this is adorable.

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heh.  it is adorable.

increased energy independence: we ran interference as saudis dismembered a journalist because of our energy policy

pushing through better judges: literally only need to repeat 'i am pro life' to be a judge.  more judges nominated that were 'not qualified' per ABA than any other president. it is so bottom feeding that we had to watch that abortion of a nomination process of that choad that had never been in a courtroom -- and he wasn't one of the lowest rated ones nominated.

improved foreign policy position, with the only stated criteria is that people needn't like us.  well, i grant you that is definitely the case here.

stronger immigration policies. i'll just leave this one alone, because it is really only one type of person that boils immigration down to one sentence.  

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pushing through better judges: literally only need to repeat 'i am pro life' to be a judge.  more judges nominated that were 'not qualified' per ABA than any other president. it is so bottom feeding that we had to watch that abortion of a nomination process of that choad that had never been in a courtroom -- and he wasn't one of the lowest rated ones nominated.

This one -- this one is personal.

As someone who deals with federal judges in several jurisdictions for decades in various locales, this is the most appalling part of the GOP thinking there's a victory here.  They are installing judges who are valued for one thing: will they do the regime's bidding?  No consideration given to whether they have any experience, have even a basic grasp of the law, or understand the process.  Just one thing: will they do as Trumpists want when they demand it?  What a shitty, shitty basis.  Because 99.9% of the typical federal docket is NOT "should the president turn over his tax documents?" or "should abortion be legal?"  Rather, it's "should my company be cheated in this contract?" or "should someone be convicted and sentenced to 20 years for moving some weed?"  For THOSE cases -- again, almost all that a judge does -- you want someone who is qualified and knows their shit.  Who can deliver efficient and fair results.

Not only does the admin not value "efficient and fair" -- they fucking OPPOSE it.  GTFO with your "good judges" bullshit.  You're a fucking piece of shit if you even say that in light of the current track record.

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This one -- this one is personal.

As someone who deals with federal judges in several jurisdictions for decades in various locales, this is the most appalling part of the GOP thinking there's a victory here.  They are installing judges who are valued for one thing: will they do the regime's bidding?  No consideration given to whether they have any experience, have even a basic grasp of the law, or understand the process.  Just one thing: will they do as Trumpists want when they demand it?  What a shitty, shitty basis.  Because 99.9% of the typical federal docket is NOT "should the president turn over his tax documents?" or "should abortion be legal?"  Rather, it's "should my company be cheated in this contract?" or "should someone be convicted and sentenced to 20 years for moving some weed?"  For THOSE cases -- again, almost all that a judge does -- you want someone who is qualified and knows their shit.  Who can deliver efficient and fair results.

Not only does the admin not value "efficient and fair" -- they fucking OPPOSE it.  GTFO with your "good judges" bullshit.  You're a fucking piece of shit if you even say that in light of the current track record.

Yeah - never mind some 36 year old associate suddenly being elevated to a lifetime appointment for a US Circuit Court of Appeals position. Fucking insane

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Jesus H. Christ.

The contrast between the two men.  The fucking night and day contrast.

Being decent, inspirational, and encouraging to another person, just because?  That's what heroes are made of.  And I'm dead serious.  I have told this anecdote before, but the boy was way into airplanes when he was little, so we went to ALL the airshows.  Dragged his sister along to some of them.  We went to one in San Antonio, where the F-22 Raptor demo team flew.  Awesome display.  And after, the pilots and crew were set up at a table, signing posters.  We got in line, because the boy wanted one.  As we're waiting, and watching the process, my daughter commented "who knows, maybe I could fly one of these one day."  Shitty, awful dad that I am, I immediately went full-practical -- "well, you have bad eyes like me, I really don't think you could--"  "Who said that?" from one of the pilots a few feet in front of me.  I nodded, "I did."  He saw my daughter, wide-eyed.  "Come over here.  Listen to me.  You can do and be whatever you want.  I didn't have good vision as a kid.  But I wanted to fly. I got it fixed.  I went to the academy, and now I fly the greatest fighter plane in the world.  If you want to do this, you CAN.  Do you understand me?"  My daughter just nodded.  

Captain freaking America, the guy on the recruiting poster, made damned sure that he took the time to tell a random kid at an airshow that the sky is the limit.  My daughter never forgot it, I didn't either.  Dead serious, I have tears in my eyes just remembering that moment.  It was that profound.  Choosing to be an inspiration, choosing to help other people be better, to do more -- that's what American heroes are made of.

I don't agree with everything Biden believes in, or everything he's ever done.  But do I believe that he's a decent man, who genuinely cares about American people other than himself?  Goddamned right I do.  And that's more than enough.  Because if we start from there, then we have a fighting chance at all the rest of it.

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valued for one thing: will they do the regime's bidding?  No consideration given to whether they have any experience, have even a basic grasp of the law, or understand the process.  Just one thing: will they do as Trumpists want when they demand it?  What a shitty, shitty basis.

what's even worse, is that the type of judge that fits this description isn't good enough to get elevated on their own, which is why they need to have this "special skill".

so not only do you have corrupt judges with built-in conflicts, but they're also incompetent.

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3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

what's even worse, is that the type of judge that fits this description isn't good enough to get elevated on their own, which is why they need to have this "special skill".

so not only do you have corrupt judges with built-in conflicts, but they're also incompetent.

Oh gawd. I knew the American greatness thing was a myth, but just thinking of having to "Keep America Competent" because we've just destroyed everything is just...I have no words. Lord, help me make it through November.

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That said, the hypocrisy is rich as hell if you honestly think there aren't plenty of people within the democratic party...even some all the way at or near the top...who aren't in some way fascist, racist, mysogynist, liars, or supporters of violence against minorities.


The Democratic party has its issues to be sure, but here is a vastly incomplete roll call of people that have expressed either support for Trump and/or the GOP or disdain for the Democratic party.  Often, they are promoted by the President himself or his closest officials and family members.

I could go on, but why bother?  You likely won't read a single link and certainly won't connect-the-dots to understand that a vote for Trump and the GOP is a vote for an ideology that is inclusive of white nationalism, racism, bigotry, misogyny and hate.  And just so you know, I'm not posting this for your disingenuous ass.  I'm posting this for anyone else that reads your false equivalency bullshit and takes it at face value.

The Republican Party as it stands now is on the wrong side of good and evil.  There is no equivalence between the parties in this regard.  Vote as if your soul depends on it, because it does.

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