SWA seems to be having a rough go of it lately

[Quagmire 2147]

Well remind me to never get a window seat next to the engines from now on

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

12 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Have heard that's the big issue facing the aviation industry -- a lack of pilots sliding over from active military flying and the advancing age of the current crop of military vet commercial airline pilots. They're gonna retire sometime. These are the guys that can handle a true emergency, not the booger-eater co-worker above who learns on simulators and never has to fly and land under duress.

Honestly, having worked with guys who were Air Force aggressor Pilots, naval aviators, helo heads, former regional jet junkies, corporate pilots and not a few cops on their second and third careers I cannot say that I don’t  see any difference between military trained pilots and civilian ones. You’re either a good stick with a cool head in adverse situations or you’re not. 

Best pilot I’ve ever flown with flew King airs for the state of Texas and isn’t now a Challenger captain. The worst was a former C-141 commander. 

 

[Steel Shank 9430]

4 hours ago, wood said:

Yup. Some people act like they're gonna get some kinda 5 minute warning before the sudden, unexpected turbulence hits. You know, the kind that bounces people off the ceiling. Then when the captain turns on the fasten-seat-belt sign, there's always one or two folks who act like it's just a suggestion or it's just being done to inconvenience them, so they go ahead and get up to go to the lavatory... 'cause you know, it doesn't apply to them.

And people who don't keep their kids strapped in, even just loosely ... well, they suck.

I bet these are the same people who stop when making a right onto Davis from SB Mopac. SMH

Edited April 18, 2018 by Steel Shank

[wood 11231]

2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

SIAP:  This woman had been a FA-18 pilot and instructor in the USN

Does she have a 'Bad MuthaFucka' belt buckle? If not we may need to get her one...

[wood 11231]

3 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I bet these are the same people who stop when making a right onto Davis from SB Mopac. SMH

[wood 11231]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

And being a woman, she did all that while texting. Pretty impressive.

...and putting on her makeup.

45 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Do you even Asiana driver bro?

 

It’s an oxygen generator. Pulling on the mask starts the chemical reaction creating O2 and heat. 

Getting sucked out isn’t a myth. I recall a BA pilot was sucked partially out of his flight deck at altitude after a mechanic reinstalled the window during maintenance with improper screws.  

Yeah, definitely not a myth. My dad had his eardrum burst flying in a Navy Super Constellation in the late 60s. The guy that got sucked out through the window that blew out wasn't so lucky.

Edited April 18, 2018 by wood

[NoRagrets 1125]

So did someone actually get sucked out of the plane?

[Gil Bang 25986]

I got sucked OFF in a plane once, but not out. 

[Richter 2267]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I got sucked OFF in a plane once, but not out. 

What was his name?

[Richter 2267]

I had a female pilot on Monday on the way out here to DC.  Fly SW a lot and don’t remember a female pilot before.

[wood 11231]

4 hours ago, Blotto said:

There's audio out now of her interaction with air traffic control. She's amazingly calm considering the situation.

https://youtu.be/fASCzgKS0Qg

Pretty interesting stuff. She's cool as a cucumber considering, but it's also pretty cool to hear the ATC  Center and Tower, Emergency Comms, & ARFF crews doing their thing. There's a lot of 'behind the scenes' radio work being done there to ensure easy coordination between ATC, Fire (ARFF), EMS, Airport PD, and the Aircraft that also requires a lot of training and cool heads. And as you can imagine, it's not at all easy to treat patients on crowded aircraft or package & remove them, even without any fire. Hell, it's still difficult even after all the healthy folks have left the plane and only a few patients remain.

Edited April 18, 2018 by wood

[mulletpelini 5214]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That's it.  Anyone with a modicum of training can take off, fly, and land a fully-functioning plane in bluebird weather.

That ain't what I want to pay my pilot for.  I want the SOB with icewater in his (or her) veins, who can make split-second decisions in a crisis, keep their cool the whole time, do complex math in their head while flying the plane so as to evaluate alternatives, and knows how to fly anything from a busted cropduster to a state-of-the-art Boeing.  In short, give me someone with military training, in most cases.

Give me this gal.  Give me Sully.  Give me the pilot of United 232 in Sioux City.

It took 3 pilots to "land" that plane.  Still miraculous anyone lived.

Quote

An off-duty pilot who had hitched a ride home on the flight, Denny Fitch, was sitting with the rest of the passengers when he heard an explosion in the tail engine and went to the cockpit to help. The blast cut the hydraulic lines that make controlled flight possible. Fitch got down on his knees and used all his strength to manipulate the plane's throttles, while both Haynes and Records struggled with the yoke, the steering wheel.

Fitch died this week at age 69, losing a battle with brain cancer. But on that hot summer day 23 years ago, he and the two other pilots wrenched the jet toward an Iowa airport without the hydraulics required for steering.

"I think what you had was three men desperately trying to get what control they can of the aircraft," said Jim Burnett of the National Transportation Safety Board during a news conference after the crash.

Desperate is right. The captain found that the only way to control the plane was by varying the thrust of the engines. Even then, the plane could only veer toward the right.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/05/10/152402632/hero-pilot-in-1989-united-crash-dies

Edited April 18, 2018 by mulletpelini

[Craftywidget 9484]

3 hours ago, wood said:

...and putting on her makeup.

Yeah, definitely not a myth. My dad had his eardrum burst flying in a Navy Super Constellation in the late 60s. The guy that got sucked out through the window that blew out wasn't so lucky.

Nor was the stewardess that got sucked out of Aloha Airlines Flight 243

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

[Pasken 1309]

Cargo Door failures have also caused entire rows of seats to be sucked out of planes in explosive decompressions.

[BearSchlong 8107]

Well remind me to never get a window seat next to the engines from now on

Every single time I sit next directly next to the compressor blades of those engines on a WN 737 I look over and think "naw, no way something could ever happen, surely they've engineered containment for something like that right??"

Never again.

Sell. Me. A. Aisleseat.

[RPM 26332]

5 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Getting sucked out isn’t a myth.

 

[RPM 26332]

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Edited April 18, 2018 by RPM
shit's borked

[RPM 26332]

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Edited April 18, 2018 by RPM
shit's borked

[CooterBrown 18022]

About to take off on an SWA flight to Dallas. Prayers please.

[XYZ 2154]

10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, for cabin depressurization at 32k feet, there's about a 10psi differential between inside and outside.  I guess there's also a venturi effect with a smallish orifice.  But the differential would also seem to equalize very rapidly.  What's the mechanism here?

I see that the real potential for injury is lung damage from the inability of the lungs to vent.

Online sources seem to indicate that getting sucked out is a myth.

I think the pressure difference is around 6.5 PSI. The plane is pressurized to the equivalent of about 1/3 of the altitude, so if it’s flying at 30,000 ft, the pressure inside is similar to athmospheric pressure at 10,000 ft., or that’s what I’ve been told.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13516]

Once you’re past the initial decompression, I would think a person wouldn’t get sucked out a hole.  It will be cold, extremely windy and loose items might get blown out but could a 150 lb person get pulled out after the initial situation?

 

[Homercles 10206]

Myth Busters couldn’t get Buster to fly out the window but it was certainly terrifying and his arms flew out.

I’ll be keeping this in mind when I fly with my kids...will keep them away from the windows, that’s for sure, until they’re old enough to stay buckled full time.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

7 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Every single time I sit next directly next to the compressor blades of those engines on a WN 737 I look over and think "naw, no way something could ever happen, surely they've engineered containment for something like that right??"

Never again.

Sell. Me. A. Aisleseat.

They’re engineered to contain a single blade failure. All bets are off past that.

[TwiceHorn 31516]

1 hour ago, XYZ said:

I think the pressure difference is around 6.5 PSI. The plane is pressurized to the equivalent of about 1/3 of the altitude, so if it’s flying at 30,000 ft, the pressure inside is similar to athmospheric pressure at 10,000 ft., or that’s what I’ve been told.

Yeah, I was using sea level atmospheric pressure.  I'm sure cabin pressure is lower than that.  And the volume of a fuselage is relatively small, one would have to think that the pressure equalizes very rapidly.  But, at speed there could be a significant venturi effect that would produce a sustained pressure differential.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

11 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, I was using sea level atmospheric pressure.  I'm sure cabin pressure is lower than that.  And the volume of a fuselage is relatively small, one would have to think that the pressure equalizes very rapidly.  But, at speed there could be a significant venturi effect that would produce a sustained pressure differential.

Once the pressures equalize, I don't think the venturi effect (is that the right term?) will be as be large enough to be that big of a deal. Certainly not strong enough to suck out snakes or zombies or people. A bigger concern would be the intense cold (something like -20 or -25 F I think) at cruising altitude. So cold that the pilots will have to emergency descend before people start going hypothermic.

[Hornsareus 9]

26 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Once the pressures equalize, I don't think the venturi effect (is that the right term?) will be as be large enough to be that big of a deal. Certainly not strong enough to suck out snakes or zombies or people. A bigger concern would be the intense cold (something like -20 or -25 F I think) at cruising altitude. So cold that the pilots will have to emergency descend before people start going hypothermic.

Or Hypoxic

[tinhead 30]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Once you’re past the initial decompression, I would think a person wouldn’t get sucked out a hole.  It will be cold, extremely windy and loose items might get blown out but could a 150 lb person get pulled out after the initial situation?

 

Who the fuck weighs 150 lbs anymore??

[skipperj 377]

1 hour ago, tinhead said:

Who the fuck weighs 150 lbs anymore??

Children.

[wood 11231]

13 hours ago, NoRagrets said:

So did someone actually get sucked out of the plane?

Apparently she was pulled out all the way to her waist. Damn.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Airplane-Makes-Emergency-Landing-at-Philadelphia-International-Airport-480008613.html

[Leeroy Jenkins 2409]

Man there had to be some serious trauma to her head and upper torso.  

[Brisketexan 105190]

Man there had to be some serious trauma to her head and upper torso.  

I’m thinking the shrapnel got her first, and it was all over.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2409]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I’m thinking the shrapnel got her first, and it was all over.

Maybe but she had to be banging against the side of the aircraft as well and I am sure she hit her head several time on the way out.  

[GlenFromTheMailRoom 1613]

13 hours ago, Richter said:

I had a female pilot on Monday on the way out here to DC.  Fly SW a lot and don’t remember a female pilot before.

Are you implying that females can't fly for shit either?

[phdhorn 6224]

2 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Maybe but she had to be banging against the side of the aircraft as well and I am sure she hit her head several time on the way out.  

Not to mention the internal injuries accrued by being sucked through that small window and hanging at least for a small time at 500 mph @32K feet. 

I hope I don't go that way.

[Native Horn 3506]

5 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

Not to mention the internal injuries accrued by being sucked through that small window and hanging at least for a small time at 500 mph @32K feet. 

I hope I don't go that way.

Don't worry, you won't fit through the winder

[Beau Vine 54339]

I seriously don't see how anyone but a small child could fit their shoulders through an airplane window...

[Celery Man 20982]

if the parameters don't include surviving, i don't find it hard to believe that an adult nonfat female could fit through

[elfenix 34331]

3 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

They’re engineered to contain a single blade failure. All bets are off past that.

apparently not.  from the nbc philly link:

National Transportation Safety Board chairman Robert Sumwalt and a team of investigators landed in Philadelphia Tuesday afternoon to inspect the aircraft. During a Tuesday night press conference, Sumwalt said a part of the plane's engine covering was found in Bernville, Pennsylvania, about 70 miles west of Philadelphia. He also said one of the engine's fan blades was separated and missing.

['stache 21827]

I have a SWA flight this Sunday and another next Sunday.  This should be fun.

[52-80 19214]

That's it.  It's monorail for me from here on out.

[BearSchlong 8107]

1 hour ago, phdhorn said:

Not to mention the internal injuries accrued by being sucked through that small window and hanging at least for a small time at 500 mph @32K feet. 

I hope I don't go that way.

Am I the only person who thought about Princess Leia flying through space?

 

[PvilleStang 2917]

1 hour ago, phdhorn said:

Not to mention the internal injuries accrued by being sucked through that small window and hanging at least for a small time at 500 mph @32K feet. 

I hope I don't go that way.

 

 

Sorry about the crappy vid, but I saw this the other day BEFORE the SWA incident, and the captain survived 20 minutes hanging out of the front windshield, so anything is possible.

[chesthair 231]

2 hours ago, wood said:

Apparently she was pulled out all the way to her waist. Damn.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Airplane-Makes-Emergency-Landing-at-Philadelphia-International-Airport-480008613.html

That sucks.

[Hook1997 5397]

24 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

 

 

Sorry about the crappy vid, but I saw this the other day BEFORE the SWA incident, and the captain survived 20 minutes hanging out of the front windshield, so anything is possible.

Holy shit!!   Didn’t think that was possible.  

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

apparently not.  from the nbc philly link:

 

 

They’re engineered to contain single separated blade. You can spend .005 seconds googling this is find that I’m right. What actually happens in real life is something that engineers haven’t been able to account for....pretty much ever. 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

7 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Holy shit!!   Didn’t think that was possible.  

The window was originally installed with the wrong screws. During a maintenance event the mechanic reinstalling the window simply went and found screws to match the ones he removed instead of looking for the ones specified to be used. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Bobby_Batronic

[Celery Man 20982]

 

[EuroHorn 3268]

Video of evacuation 

[Hook1997 5397]

42 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

The window was originally installed with the wrong screws. During a maintenance event the mechanic reinstalling the window simply went and found screws to match the ones he removed instead of looking for the ones specified to be used. 

I was talking about the guy living after hanging out the cockpit for 35 minutes part!  

[mulletpelini 5214]

Dude was so cool, he didn't even wear a shirt to work that day.