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We need to stop allowing rich shit heads more rights than poor shit heads. Someone needs to take one for democracy and cut this cunt’s head off. Then go do  ptheven miller. World will easily be a better place without both. No more quarter for racist anti American dick heads. USA USA USA and these traitors six feet under!

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If he goes to lockup, even briefly...he will be in GenPop.  It will harm a lot of other inmates that don't deserve the same fate, but when you know where a prison gets its food supply from...it's that hard to tamper with it.  Yeah, we've all seen movies where they shank one another or whatever.  And that's not entertainment.  But when you know what and when somebody is going to eat or drink something, it gets real easy...real fucking quick.  Now trouble is you may have otherwise harmless prisoners eat/drink before him and start to show signs of illness and so Steve gets wise and doesn't eat.  But it ain't all prison yard brawls and carved-up toothbrush stabbings.  

Now the problem, aside from taking out people who don't deserve it, is if it doesn't work the first time---they lock down and install new food distributor safety procedures.  So you really only get 1 or 2 cracks at it.  It's harder to do with a guy like Trump who moves all around the country, not just Mar-a-Lago and Trump Tower and Burger King.  The easy parts are knowing when and where exactly someone will be eating, not that hard to ascertain when they're in lockup.  Then getting to the facility food distributer, harder but not impossible.  Then trying to minimize fallout to other inmates so the target doesn't suddenly lose his appetite.  It's a delicate balance but it's been done hundreds of times before.  

csb/ I've told this story before.  Most former Presidents still have plain-clothed SS agents go to random grocery stores to buy groceries for the former first families.  You can't taint the entire supply chain for every single grocer and takeout joint in a whole metroplex.  But when somebody eats 80% of their meals from the same kitchen at the same resort which also caters private events, all using the same delivery invoice.  Getting to that warehouse isn't that difficult.  The cartons are checked upon departure from the warehouses and again at arrival and again in the kitchen.  But Sysco and Eurostar don't grow/slaughter that shit themselves in an industrial park .  They just aggregate it, process it, package it, and deliver it.  

Nobody gets to bad men like this with a knife.  When you know precisely when and where and what meal they will be having, the situation becomes much more clear.  Tight as security may be around me, if you know I'm in the cell block C commissary every day for oatmeal at exactly 8:03 am because my order in the line is first for the second tub of cereal.  Or you know that 4 days a week, I eat a deconstructed hamberder at 8:45pm before going to post social media rants.  It's just a reverse engineering of logistics and chemistry.  This isn't the Roman Empire, there are no royal food tasters anymore.  Just transportation dossiers and publicly released schedules.  

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4 hours ago, achooloco said:

We need to stop allowing rich shit heads more rights than poor shit heads. Someone needs to take one for democracy and cut this cunt’s head off. Then go do  ptheven miller. World will easily be a better place without both. No more quarter for racist anti American dick heads. USA USA USA and these traitors six feet under!

Then Biden should pardon those patriots. 

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22 hours ago, YGIFS said:

If he goes to lockup, even briefly...he will be in GenPop.  It will harm a lot of other inmates that don't deserve the same fate, but when you know where a prison gets its food supply from...it's that hard to tamper with it.  Yeah, we've all seen movies where they shank one another or whatever.  And that's not entertainment.  But when you know what and when somebody is going to eat or drink something, it gets real easy...real fucking quick.  Now trouble is you may have otherwise harmless prisoners eat/drink before him and start to show signs of illness and so Steve gets wise and doesn't eat.  But it ain't all prison yard brawls and carved-up toothbrush stabbings.  

Now the problem, aside from taking out people who don't deserve it, is if it doesn't work the first time---they lock down and install new food distributor safety procedures.  So you really only get 1 or 2 cracks at it.  It's harder to do with a guy like Trump who moves all around the country, not just Mar-a-Lago and Trump Tower and Burger King.  The easy parts are knowing when and where exactly someone will be eating, not that hard to ascertain when they're in lockup.  Then getting to the facility food distributer, harder but not impossible.  Then trying to minimize fallout to other inmates so the target doesn't suddenly lose his appetite.  It's a delicate balance but it's been done hundreds of times before.  

csb/ I've told this story before.  Most former Presidents still have plain-clothed SS agents go to random grocery stores to buy groceries for the former first families.  You can't taint the entire supply chain for every single grocer and takeout joint in a whole metroplex.  But when somebody eats 80% of their meals from the same kitchen at the same resort which also caters private events, all using the same delivery invoice.  Getting to that warehouse isn't that difficult.  The cartons are checked upon departure from the warehouses and again at arrival and again in the kitchen.  But Sysco and Eurostar don't grow/slaughter that shit themselves in an industrial park .  They just aggregate it, process it, package it, and deliver it.  

Nobody gets to bad men like this with a knife.  When you know precisely when and where and what meal they will be having, the situation becomes much more clear.  Tight as security may be around me, if you know I'm in the cell block C commissary every day for oatmeal at exactly 8:03 am because my order in the line is first for the second tub of cereal.  Or you know that 4 days a week, I eat a deconstructed hamberder at 8:45pm before going to post social media rants.  It's just a reverse engineering of logistics and chemistry.  This isn't the Roman Empire, there are no royal food tasters anymore.  Just transportation dossiers and publicly released schedules.  


You scare me, man.

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On 6/30/2024 at 12:28 AM, achooloco said:

We need to stop allowing rich shit heads more rights than poor shit heads. Someone needs to take one for democracy and cut this cunt’s head off. Then go do  ptheven miller. World will easily be a better place without both. No more quarter for racist anti American dick heads. USA USA USA and these traitors six feet under!

They're just misunderstood.

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

From what I can tell looks like some fear in those eyes…. Must’ve seen the showers and soap. 

You can’t show fear.  You go up to the nearest black dude that looks like Kimbo Slice, tell him “Stephen Miller says Mud People have to obey me”, - and then punch him.  

That way you’ll earn their respect

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You can’t show fear.  You go up to the nearest black dude that looks like Kimbo Slice, tell him “Stephen Miller says Mud People have to obey me”, - and then punch him.  

That way you’ll earn their respect

reminds of that Eddie Murphy bit about white people getting all confident after Rocky came out.

 

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None of the articles are clear other than where he was taken to for transfer.  At which actual prison facility will he be doing his time?  Asking for a friend.  

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11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

None of the articles are clear other than where he was taken to for transfer.  At which actual prison facility will he be doing his time?  Asking for a friend.  

They have to tattoo a life size Alexandria Daddario frontal image to his back first. 

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

None of the articles are clear other than where he was taken to for transfer.  At which actual prison facility will he be doing his time?  Asking for a friend.  

Danbury federal correction facility

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Shit, Danbury is a hard to place to get to inmates.  It's low security/low GenPop, even by federal standards, which means non-violent offenders doing short stints, just looking to finish their line and get out.  Hard to bribe somebody in that situation to get to Steve,  Appropriate place though considering how many Nazi collaborators served time there.  

Oh wait, I just remembered.  Yale law students have provided free legal aid to Danbury prisoners for decades, it kinda set the precedent for such programs.  Some of those students have trouble paying their bills.  They won't see Steve, his attorneys are much more high profile than a 2L doing pro-bono course credit.  Man, I sure hope it's not readily available for a Yale alumni to access the list of law students currently working appeals for inmates in the same wing as Steve Bannon.  You know, 'That Whole Yale Thing.'  

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There's gotta be a prison shower joke in here somewhere if the soap on a rope has the courage to do what's right.  

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14 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

I thought that’s what Trump pardoned him for.  Is this the state court action that paralleled the prior federal criminal action - or a different scam?

Not my practice, so can somebody tell me that the elements of the federal crime don’t have some race judicata problem in state court because of the pardon? 

What do the smart law dogs say?

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I thought that’s what Trump pardoned him for.  Is this the state court action that paralleled the prior federal criminal action - or a different scam?

Not my practice, so can somebody tell me that the elements of the federal crime don’t have some race judicata problem in state court because of the pardon? 

What do the smart law dogs say?

State law charges. 

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State law charges. 

yup yup yup

I understand that Doddard cannot pardon a state criminal conviction, but I am not sure whether some elements in the federal prosecution (that mirror elements in the state prosecution) have any res judicata preclusion issue.   

i’m sure the state prosecutors have figured that all out otherwise they would not be a trial coming up, but I never had a handle on what the elements of the federal prosecution were were - or if they mirror the same elements in the state case

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19 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I thought that’s what Trump pardoned him for.  Is this the state court action that paralleled the prior federal criminal action - or a different scam?

Not my practice, so can somebody tell me that the elements of the federal crime don’t have some race judicata problem in state court because of the pardon? 

What do the smart law dogs say?

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50 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

lol.  Bring it up with the people at iPhone voice recognition software

Pretty sure res judicata doesn't come up in criminal stuff except double jeopardy.  And, there's no double jeopardy between state and federal prosecutions, except where state law provides.  And NY state law does provide, in certain circumstances, but not these apparently.

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Pretty sure res judicata doesn't come up in criminal stuff except double jeopardy.  And, there's no double jeopardy between state and federal prosecutions, except where state law provides.  And NY state law does provide, in certain circumstances, but not these apparently.

I was using the wrong nomenclature, but that was exactly my question. Did the pardoning of elements in the federal prosecution limit in anyway the right to prove the same elements in the state action?

So as I understand you, there could be some preclusive effect, but only if the state court criminal statute expressly provides for it? 

I was trying to think of what tenuous bullshit theory would allow Bannon and Company to take this to the Supreme Court.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I was using the wrong nomenclature, but that was exactly my question. Did the pardoning of elements in the federal prosecution limit in anyway the right to prove the same elements in the state action?

So as I understand you, there could be some preclusive effect, but only if the state court criminal statute expressly provides for it? 

I was trying to think of what tenuous bullshit theory would allow Bannon and Company to take this to the Supreme Court.

Couldn't remember precisely what context it came up in in the past, but NY has pretty stringent protections against a second trial in NY courts.  However, they amended their law to create an exception when the offense was pardoned.  https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/new-york-appellate-court-double-jeopardy-rule-bars-state-charges-against-pardoned-paul-manafort/

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I like the part where the Dems throw the biggest curveball in modern politics and the GQP's top shithead that could probably come up with a counter strategy is locked up in prison because he wouldn't take the 5th Amendment.

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Prison rape and violence is no joke to me. 

However, I do relish the irony of people who use cruel means and delight in inflicting more punishment than is due now calling for this turd with eyeballs to be safe while incarcerated. 

He's one of them. A malignant white pustule with white pustule connections that almost always protect their own. He pushed his luck too far. I wish he were being put in a harder prison where I would hope no violence is visited upon him or anyone else. He should have to take his chances just like anyone else going in for the first time.

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6 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Pinch hitting for Pedro Bor Bannon, a sitting congressman.

 

Snipers' value is in their vision and ability to control their autonomous nervous system.

Where they set up and how they shoot is easily ascertained by laypeople.

In other words, snipers have little value to this committee.

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