Several shot during 3rd night of Kenosha riots

[goatsaag 279]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Age doesn't have anything to do with the threatening nature of bringing a rifle to a protest. But his age is a factor in his self defense claim, since his carrying of a weapon was unlawful by black letter law. Unlawful action plus provocative behavior equals no self defense claim. 

Is part of your argument really 18 = self defense but he's 17 so it was murder? Because that makes zero sense.

This is an "interesting" case in general because clearly Rittenhouse seems like a shitty person and he's being backed and lauded as a hero by a bunch of shitty people. At the same time, his actual actions here where he shot and killed people were in self defense.

Should he have been there? No. Should he have had a gun? No. Was he attacked and then shot in self defense? Yes. Should anyone out there think he's some sort of hero? Fuck no. But he's almost definitely going to get off any murder charge and I have a hard time understanding people who have watched all of the videos of the incident and believe otherwise.

[52-80 19263]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I love the bullshit that he was just there to help people with medical care, etc.

There were a ton of leftist street medics at just about every BLM rally and every other type of lefty protest last year. None of them ever shot anyone. You know why? Because they didn't bring guns, they brought fucking medical supplies. And they often ended up treating neo-nazis who wanted them dead, because they were actually at those events for the purpose of providing medical care to people, not to find an excuse to shoot someone.

okay, so what was grosskreutz doing there with a handgun?

 

[52-80 19263]

1 minute ago, goatsaag said:

Should he have been there? No. Should he have had a gun? No. Was he attacked and then shot in self defense? Yes. Should anyone out there think he's some sort of hero? Fuck no. But he's almost definitely going to get off any murder charge and I have a hard time understanding people who have watched all of the videos of the incident and believe otherwise.

you are charged with being correct on all counts.  bailiff, give this man an award.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is the guy in the first pic on the ground holding an AR our Hero boy Kyle and is this before or after he had already killed someone? Because it was after he had already killed someone then the actions of the people subduing him can easily be justified to prevent him from killing anyone else. I kind of wish that skateboard had been a deadly weapon if that’s the case. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like a murder.

[immortal13 4059]

53 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Sack and crew just want the right to be able to walk around with AR guns, talk to cops while holding them, and shoot whoever they damn well please.

It’s called little dick syndrome and incel Kyle is now their ultimate hero since he actually did what they fantasize about doing. 
 

So of course they’re going to defend him to the death. 

We already have that right. Take your low key CR shit to the CR 

[JimmyJames 12271]

7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

okay, so what was grosskreutz doing there with a handgun?

 

Apparently carrying a weapon and getting shot. Was he illegally carrying too like hero Kyle? 

[ChickenSandwich 9853]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Looks like a murder.

attempted murder by three different individuals who unknowingly were attacking someone who shot a pedo in self defense.  

[immortal13 4059]

9 minutes ago, goatsaag said:

Is part of your argument really 18 = self defense but he's 17 so it was murder? Because that makes zero sense.

This is an "interesting" case in general because clearly Rittenhouse seems like a shitty person and he's being backed and lauded as a hero by a bunch of shitty people. At the same time, his actual actions here where he shot and killed people were in self defense.

Should he have been there? No. Should he have had a gun? No. Was he attacked and then shot in self defense? Yes. Should anyone out there think he's some sort of hero? Fuck no. But he's almost definitely going to get off any murder charge and I have a hard time understanding people who have watched all of the videos of the incident and believe otherwise.

I see you're new here

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, immortal13 said:

We already have that right. Take your low key CR shit to the CR 

You don’t have the right to shoot whoever you damn well please. That’s the problem with you idiots. You think you do. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

attempted murder by three different individuals who unknowingly were attacking someone who shot a pedo in self defense.  

Looks more like a small dicked incel commiting murder to me. Don’t see any pedos in the photos but I guess you can spot em. 

[ChickenSandwich 9853]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Looks more like a small dicked incel commiting murder to me. Don’t see any pedos in the photos but I guess you can spot em. 

no, no, as you pointed out previously, these photos were after he shot the racist pedo (see Pedo using the N word prior to assaulting a minor - hate crime?)

[Johnny Sack 8397]

7 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

attempted murder by three different individuals who unknowingly were attacking someone who shot a pedo in self defense.  

Yep  Good thing Kyle was armed.  He made quick work of three scumbags.

[immortal13 4059]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

You don’t have the right to shoot whoever you damn well please. That’s the problem with you idiots. You think you do. 

Anyone that is not restricted from owning a gun can if they are acting in self-defense, bro. It wouldn't be hard for you to fuck around and find out. 

[ChickenSandwich 9853]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

You don’t have the right to shoot whoever you damn well please. That’s the problem with you idiots. You think you do. 

Jimmy with the feelings not facts from the top rope.  Do you have the right to self defense?

[52-80 19263]

 

oh hey, its the guy with a rap sheet of domestic violence, burglary, and DUI while carrying loaded weapon.... but kyle couldnt have known any of that in the moment when he was literally pounced on by said guy. 

[52-80 19263]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

You don’t have the right to shoot whoever you damn well please. That’s the problem with you idiots. You think you do. 

you also dont have the right to chase people, hit em with a skateboard, or throw a flying kick at them. 

but if you disagree, i suggest you try it in public.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

 

oh hey, its the guy with a rap sheet of domestic violence, burglary, and DUI while carrying loaded weapon.... but kyle couldnt have known any of that in the moment when he was literally pounced on by said guy. 

Guy tried to fake surrender then quick draw.  Kyle then disarmed him.  Literally.  After Kyle is acquitted of these false charges this person should be charged with aggravated assault against a minor.

[immortal13 4059]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

 

oh hey, its the guy with a rap sheet of domestic violence, burglary, and DUI while carrying loaded weapon.... but kyle couldnt have known any of that in the moment when he was literally pounced on by said guy. 

"Hey let's go chase down that guy with an AR-15!!! Yeah fuck that guy, man!"

What could go wrong?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

you also dont have the right to chase people, hit em with a skateboard, or throw a flying kick at them. 

but if you disagree, i suggest you try it in public.

Yep, try it in public.  Plenty of Kyle's will be your Huckleberry, Jimmy.

[immortal13 4059]

1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

you also dont have the right to chase people, hit em with a skateboard, or throw a flying kick at them. 

but if you disagree, i suggest you try it in public.

Looting and burning are American rights!!!!!

[Captainant 27826]

12 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

See that thing in his left hand?

you happen to scope the rifle in his other hand, champ? Shit just look at the footage from people who weren't holding rifles at the protest to see what sort of energy the wannabe cops and militiamen had (also lulz for the twitter handle, this video is from like page 4 of this thread). The first victim is even featured at 1:04 - and you're right, he's super unstable and IIRC, had just been released from a mental hospital.

Every one of those gravy seals had at least one hand on their rifles at all times with mags in, and were fucking TENSE. Rittenhouse went there with a deadly weapon with the intent to "protect peoples property' - which again, he does not have the right or privilege to do. Especially with an illegally obtained and possessed firearm

Man, I do remember when johnny sack and the rest of the blue lives matter gang were stanning for rittenhouse so CERTAIN that he was being attacked with a plastic bag. Such correctness and accuracy continues!

It'd really be silly if sack posted a bunch of pictures of the crowd of people he fired into retaliating and trying to disarm him as if it vindicated the initial shooting

[52-80 19263]

muh citizens arrest tho

[immortal13 4059]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

you happen to scope the rifle in his other hand, champ? Shit just look at the footage from people who weren't holding rifles at the protest to see what sort of energy the wannabe cops and militiamen had (also lulz for the twitter handle, this video is from like page 4 of this thread). The first victim is even featured at 1:04 - and you're right, he's super unstable and IIRC, had just been released from a mental hospital.

Every one of those gravy seals had at least one hand on their rifles at all times with mags in, and were fucking TENSE. Rittenhouse went there with a deadly weapon with the intent to "protect peoples property' - which again, he does not have the right or privilege to do. Especially with an illegally obtained and possessed firearm

Man, I do remember when johnny sack and the rest of the blue lives matter gang were stanning for rittenhouse so CERTAIN that he was being attacked with a plastic bag. Such correctness and accuracy continues!

It'd really be silly if sack posted a bunch of pictures of the crowd of people he fired into retaliating and trying to disarm him as if it vindicated the initial shooting

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I'm not really sure wtf the prosecution is doing. Are they even trying to build a case that he murdered someone? They are showing a bunch of video which most people feel overwhelmingly prove he was defending himself -- like showing Rosenbaum chasing after him.  But I don't hear them or any of their witnesses saying anything to the affect that he is guilty of anything. Its like just a bunch of people sitting in a courtroom watching YouTube videos.

[Captainant 27826]

This kid thought it was "his job" to run into harm's way to protect people. He brought his strawman purchased rifle "to protect myself, obviously". Is that not fucking playing vigilante? Kid was out there with a fucking gun looking to run towards trouble.

Man, going back to the early pages of this thread certainly does remind me how much of a sack of shit Johnny Deacon is. It really shows the love of god when you shitpost memes about people shot dead by a vigilante

[ChickenSandwich 9853]

16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This kid thought it was "his job" to run into harm's way to protect people. He brought his strawman purchased rifle "to protect myself, obviously". Is that not fucking playing vigilante? Kid was out there with a fucking gun looking to run towards trouble.

Man, going back to the early pages of this thread certainly does remind me how much of a sack of shit Johnny Deacon is. It really shows the love of god when you shitpost memes about people shot dead by a vigilante

Which has what to do with him being chased and attacked by the racist (we can assume Rittenhouse knew he was a racist from the video evidence that night) and then shooting the racist in self defense. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

21 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This kid thought it was "his job" to run into harm's way to protect people. He brought his strawman purchased rifle "to protect myself, obviously". Is that not fucking playing vigilante? Kid was out there with a fucking gun looking to run towards trouble.

Man, going back to the early pages of this thread certainly does remind me how much of a sack of shit Johnny Deacon is. It really shows the love of god when you shitpost memes about people shot dead by a vigilante

He shot a pedo and other criminals who were attacking a minor.  I'd rather he be alive and not maimed with his attackers dead or maimed than he be dead or maimed.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[BabaYaga 15328]

This is rich.  He was never the aggressor. He's walking around offering medical help when he's chased by Rosenbaum (on film).

Then he's running to police to turn himself in when he's attacked again.

He was never a "threat".

[jkates 316]

Clear cut self-defense.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Is the lead investigator a witness for the defense? 

It almost sounds like it.

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see two guys trying to disarm and detain an armed wanna be vigilante nut job.

 

(IOW, those pictures don't prove or disprove anything).

 

 

[immortal13 4059]

5 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

 

I see two guys trying to disarm and detain an armed wanna be vigilante nut job.

 

Sounds like something a vigilante would do

[fattyflattie 4638]

I just realized the guy faking a surrender and quick draw on him was the one who's arm got shredded.  huh. 

[BabaYaga 15328]

When Rosenbaum was chasing Kyle while Kyle is yelling, "Friendly, Friendly!" Kyle flashes his gun to show Rosenbaum that he's armed but Rosenbaum doesn't stop. Still chasing him.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

5 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Kyle didnt shoot him until he brought his gun around then he blew his arm near off. Dude got lucky tbh it wasnt a chest shot.

Kyle's defense:

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

And yes, from the video Kyle doesn't even point the AR at Mr. quickdraw fake surrender.  It is pointed low ready at that point.  Was honestly pretty impressive shooting, taking out the guy's gun arm.

Kid might have a future in the military.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Bravo said:

LOL investigator just admitted Rosenbaum ambushed him from hiding. this isnt going well for the DA.

This could be a directed verdict for the defense.  I am guessing the DA felt pressure to bring charges but is not all that enthusiastic about them considering the facts.

[Satoshi 129]

2 hours ago, immortal13 said:

"Hey let's go chase down that guy with an AR-15!!! Yeah fuck that guy, man!"

What could go wrong?

Yeah I got chastised on CR for making fun of skateboard guy.
 

Unless you’re Jason Bourne, attacking a guy holding an AR with your skateboard is 99% of the time going to end up in serious injury or death. What an absolute dumbass.

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

12 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

Yeah I got chastised on CR for making fun of skateboard guy.
 

Unless you’re Jason Bourne, attacking a guy holding an AR with your skateboard is 99% of the time going to end up in serious injury or death. What an absolute dumbass.

That's the way the CR go ... facts don't matter just the t-shirt.

[aggie08 21555]

3 hours ago, goatsaag said:

Is part of your argument really 18 = self defense but he's 17 so it was murder? Because that makes zero sense.

This is an "interesting" case in general because clearly Rittenhouse seems like a shitty person and he's being backed and lauded as a hero by a bunch of shitty people. At the same time, his actual actions here where he shot and killed people were in self defense.

Should he have been there? No. Should he have had a gun? No. Was he attacked and then shot in self defense? Yes. Should anyone out there think he's some sort of hero? Fuck no. But he's almost definitely going to get off any murder charge and I have a hard time understanding people who have watched all of the videos of the incident and believe otherwise.

All of this. And the people making him out to be a hero are only driving the other side to dig in deeper on him being a murdering vigilante. And vice versa. We all have to have complete 180 degree polar opposite opinions. Because that's America now.

[workswithseed 2119]

3 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

I'm not really sure wtf the prosecution is doing. Are they even trying to build a case that he murdered someone? They are showing a bunch of video which most people feel overwhelmingly prove he was defending himself -- like showing Rosenbaum chasing after him.  But I don't hear them or any of their witnesses saying anything to the affect that he is guilty of anything. Its like just a bunch of people sitting in a courtroom watching YouTube videos.

Maybe he actually is happy that there are fewer pedos in the world. 

[TwiceHorn 31554]

On 11/2/2021 at 2:36 PM, Johnny Sack said:

Wrong.  Just wrong.  That stuff was never coming in a criminal case.  

And LMAO at shoplifters.  You mean looters.

Yeah, Sack's right.  Prior bad acts and evidence of "character" just doesn't come into a criminal trial, except in very narrow circumstances, none of which apply here. Fed. R. Evid. 404.  The Wisconsin rule is no doubt similar or identical.

Goatsaag pretty much nailed it.  This kid may be a raving white supremacist piece of shit that went to kill himself a nagger or something.  But the evidence of that is not sufficiently connected to the actual shootings here to either be admissible or to rise to the level of provocation.  The rest of it is pretty clear self defense.

Edited November 3, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

At the end of the day, shouldn't this fall under then new Chicago-inspired doctrine of mutual combatants?

Spoiler

Or we should just acknowledge some don't really care when young African American men kill each other in the streets.

 

[52-80 19263]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, Sack's right.  Prior bad acts and evidence of "character" just doesn't come into a criminal trial, except in very narrow circumstances, none of which apply here. Fed. R. Evid. 404.  The Wisconsin rule is no doubt similar or identical.

Goatsaag pretty much nailed it.  This kid may be a raving white supremacist piece of shit that went to kill himself a nagger or something.  But the evidence of that is not sufficiently connected to the actual shootings here to either be admissible or to rise to the level of provocation.  The rest of it is pretty clear self defense.

I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of whiny CR voices cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced, as they realized rittenhouse could not be charged with Thought Crimes. 

[huge 3795]

Wonder what is going on in the trial

 

[TwiceHorn 31554]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, Sack's right.  Prior bad acts and evidence of "character" just doesn't come into a criminal trial, except in very narrow circumstances, none of which apply here. Fed. R. Evid. 404.  The Wisconsin rule is no doubt similar or identical.

Goatsaag pretty much nailed it.  This kid may be a raving white supremacist piece of shit that went to kill himself a nagger or something.  But the evidence of that is not sufficiently connected to the actual shootings here to either be admissible or to rise to the level of provocation.  The rest of it is pretty clear self defense.

I think this may kind of point up something about self-defense laws.  They mostly contemplate cases where you are defending your home, or vehicle, or business dating back to a time when it was somewhat unusual to be strapped other than those places.

So they haven't really kept up with open and concealed carry laws, where people are totin more often in any old place.  A duty to retreat may be appropriate in such scenarios.  Or perhaps a looser definition of provocation connected with brandishing or displaying a weapon in certain circumstances.

[TwiceHorn 31554]

1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of whiny CR voices cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced, as they realized rittenhouse could not be charged with Thought Crimes. 

There is a kind of strong tendency in that direction, and it's not just in CR.

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

4 hours ago, 52-80 said:

I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if thousands of whiny CR voices cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced, as they realized rittenhouse could not be charged with Thought Crimes. 

Don't underestimate the impact on mail clerks the ability to join a cacaphony of mouthbreathers to scream stupendously about a random teenager even if the outcome will get them no closer to leaving the basement than the formulation of an original or critical thought.