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dcar00

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16 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah Kenosha is just across the state line from Illinois. It's like traveling from Lenexa to KC, Missouri. The kid lived 30 minutes away equal to or less than all the other participants.

Not sure why it keeps coming up.

it only matters if there is a legal issue with it.  people in Texas(unless you live close to the border of a state) get a weird perspective because you can drive 100's of miles from a big city and not hit the border.  its kinda the way we like it though..

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2 hours ago, 3adays said:

I may have missed it, but has there been confirmation that Joe Rosenbaum was indeed a sex offender? 

 

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

Yes.

 

Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

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Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

I saw that too and was a bit perplexed. Possible I suppose somebody is pulling one over on us, but perhaps they removed his name from the registry once he was confirmed deceased?

Anybody else know a dead pedo in Wisconsin that we can check against?

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26 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

 

Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

 

Can you fact check this? 

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Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

Is Message Board User a paid propaganda poster? Sure seems like it.
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Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

Is Message Board User a paid propaganda poster? Sure seems like it.
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23 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I saw that too and was a bit perplexed. Possible I suppose somebody is pulling one over on us, but perhaps they removed his name from the registry once he was confirmed deceased?

Anybody else know a dead pedo in Wisconsin that we can check against?

I doubt he would have been cleared from a database that quickly. And, again, I can't find a single Doc# with a letter in it. They are all numbers. I'm near 100% confident that image is fake. He doesn't appear in the national database either. 

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I doubt he would have been cleared from a database that quickly. And, again, I can't find a single Doc# with a letter in it. They are all numbers. I'm near 100% confident that image is fake. He doesn't appear in the national database either. 

that would be the most impressive efficient work I've ever seen from a govt entity...so likely not.

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15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

that would be the most impressive efficient work I've ever seen from a govt entity...so likely not.

Yea I mean this part surprises me too.

FWIW here is a twitter link where some guy that at least sounds knowledgeable comments on it and gives a plausible explanation. I know fuckall about medical records and pedo lists so I can’t opine on it other than “seems legit”

 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

How is it germane to this discussion?

 

 

Well, you see, if you happen to have a criminal record and get killed, you had it coming, apparently.   I’m gonna go start killing jaywalkers and dwi people.  It’s all good.  It’s like shooting black people with warrants.  They’re bad actors.  

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6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well, you see, if you happen to have a criminal record and get killed, you had it coming, apparently.   I’m gonna go start killing jaywalkers and dwi people.  It’s all good.  It’s like shooting black people with warrants.  They’re bad actors.  


don’t forget Se7en style serial killers. 
 

I mean, I believe in the movies they are only trying to catch up to the killer the thank them...

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19 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

Yea I mean this part surprises me too.

FWIW here is a twitter link where some guy that at least sounds knowledgeable comments on it and gives a plausible explanation. I know fuckall about medical records and pedo lists so I can’t opine on it other than “seems legit”

 

Is is possible it is real? Sure. But it is damn suspicious that none of the information seems consistent with how Wisconsin keeps its records and the information is no longer available so soon after the event, yet somehow came into the possession of certain very active manipulators that also spread the fabricated Molotov cocktail story. That said, there is a person in who has some sort of criminal record in Arizona named Joseph D. Rosenbaum and who may have been born in Texas. No way to tell if it is the same guy. 

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Is is possible it is real? Sure. But it is damn suspicious that none of the information seems consistent with how Wisconsin keeps its records and the information is no longer available so soon after the event, yet somehow came into the possession of certain very active manipulators that also spread the fabricated Molotov cocktail story. That said, there is a person in who has some sort of criminal record in Arizona named Joseph D. Rosenbaum and who may have been born in Texas. No way to tell if it is the same guy. 

If he was from Texas he'd go by JD Rosenbaum. or maybe Jodie.

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34 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

 

well sure but the additional info that he had a felony warrant and was involved in an altercation at the house where he was alleged to have committed a violent sexual assault might be a few facts to add...this is bad twittering.

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Not that it should matter, but here is something that may be a bit more reliable: https://www.bailbondshq.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-JOSEPH/172556

Shows this individual as having a been convicted a sexual conduct with a minor. The conviction is listed as a class three felony, which means the victim was 15,16, or 17. (Link). This is a statutory rape statute, so consent doesn't matter. He was convicted in 2002, meaning he was 18 at the time of conviction (I suppose at the time of the encounter). So, it looks to be a conviction of a high school sexual encounter. It sort of looks like the same person, but I cannot tell. Whatever it is, it isn't pedophilia. 

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Dcar00, you ever committed a crime?  If so, and you’re killed not in relation or as of a sentence to that crime, are you ok with us saying it’s cool, you had it coming?  You were asking for it?  That underage drinking you did?  That sorority girl you groped?  You deserve whatever you get.  That is not justice, and it is not cool to excuse other crime.

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

 

Goddamn it, stop spreading bullshit disinformation. You can go to Wisconsin's website yourself and search for his name. You will not find it. And, those images not only look manipulated, but the Doc# has a letter in it, which is unlike any of the 20 or so so other profiles I reviewed. Here is the link, check yourself: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public

Yeah one of the "benefits" of the sex offender registration regime is that you can look them right up.

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12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Not that it should matter, but here is something that may be a bit more reliable: https://www.bailbondshq.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-JOSEPH/172556

Shows this individual as having a been convicted a sexual conduct with a minor. The conviction is listed as a class three felony, which means the victim was 15,16, or 17. (Link). This is a statutory rape statute, so consent doesn't matter. He was convicted in 2002, meaning he was 18 at the time of conviction (I suppose at the time of the encounter). So, it looks to be a conviction of a high school sexual encounter. It sort of looks like the same person, but I cannot tell. Whatever it is, it isn't pedophilia. 

thats probably him.  height is 63 inches.  looks like he was a model prisoner though...

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30 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Dcar00, you ever committed a crime?  If so, and you’re killed not in relation or as of a sentence to that crime, are you ok with us saying it’s cool, you had it coming?  You were asking for it?  That underage drinking you did?  That sorority girl you groped?  You deserve whatever you get.  That is not justice, and it is not cool to excuse other crime.

Their criminal history is meaningless to me. Chasing a guy with a gun was a fatal mistake. Go the fuck home, people.

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8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Could you provide any details that support a shot in the back on the initial encounter? I haven't seen such, but to be clear don't claim it's not true.

5 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

Pretty sure the initial person shot was a head shot.  The guy that asked him to shoot him.  The video showed them wrapping his head.

It's in the police report a few pages back.  He was grazed in the head, shot in the hand and pelvis, and shot in the back, which went through the lung and liver.  Apparently livers like to bleed a lot when they get shot or something.

8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Beyond illegal carrying of a rifle underage and violation of curfew, what other local and state laws did he break? Again, just looking for clarification.

Does it matter?  He was not supposed to be there, he was not supposed to be carrying.  He inserted himself into a situation he was not supposed to be in.  This was not some organic "he was cleaning up at his Uncle's store after hours, and saw people trying to break in and he grabbed the shotgun from under the counter and opened up."

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3 hours ago, 3adays said:

I agree the kid was an idiot and found the trouble he was looking for. But why do people keep making a big deal about him driving to another state? It’s like he drove from Round Rock to Buda. 

Because it's not his state?  Because it's not involving any property relevant to him?

Look, if I lived in Dallas for some reason, and there was rioting right across the state line in Oklahoma, you think I'm going to give a shit and drive up there and play policeman?  No, I'm going to write it off as just another bunch of drunk idiots who won a little money at the casino.   Wait, was the question again?

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2 hours ago, elguapo said:

 

So two girls start fighting, and Stay-Puft jr starts punching one from behind?

But I was told he was an upstanding citizen, a choir boy, who washed graffiti off of walls, helped little old ladies across the street, always put his mom's shopping cart back in the shopping cart return, instead of leaving it loose in the parking lot.

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So has anyone verified if any of the armed white guys in the crowd fired their weapons?  I saw a lot more armed people around Kyle in the video. It would be really surprising if only Kyle decided to shoot, and everyone else just backed off after all the antagonization on both sides leading up to the shooting. Did no one try to help him while he was "under attack"? Just asking questions...

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well at multiple points in the videos you can here gunfire going off all around. in one of the videos the person filming even says "they're shooting all over the place!" as he actually kind of takes cover while trying to keep filming.

i mean, just people firing guns all over the fucking place, whatever. 

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5 hours ago, Message Board User said:

Yes.

 

Did you know there was a Molotov as well? I love how last night we were talking about legality bullshit but today it's oh god it's only 20 miles state lines don't mean anything

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