Several shot during 3rd night of Kenosha riots

[Captainant 28387]

Just now, dcar00 said:

nope, that one pretty much covers it.

I guess I'll just have to wait until someone else who's actually clever says something for you to mindlessly repeat

[BabaYaga 15532]

 

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I do appreciate the love and ample free space living rent-free in yall's heads. Any other tired, lazy, or borrowed nicknames you've been workshopping lately?

LOL, such weak and predictable fucking sauce.  Go get your shine box.  

[immortal13 4059]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Same exact thing happened to me but in middle school. I still vividly recall that moment when a shiver went up my spine and suddenly feeling ice cold. He was my best friend at the time and, man, was I boiling over after he put back in his dad's closet. 

Hey man keep all of that middle-school closet stuff to yourself

[dcar00 14902]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I guess I'll just have to wait until someone else who's actually clever says something for you to mindlessly repeat

you mean like "livin rent free in y'all's heads"

[workswithseed 2201]

4 minutes ago, sidis said:

so it appears you have again shifted your argument...this time from your insinuation that i was using the miniskirt argument as it related to the shooter to now he didn't do a good job of intimidating people because he had to shoot them...with a little factually inaccurate predicate that he had "done nothing illegal up to that point."

I mean I even said I shifted. Yeah, wouldn't you be scared when a man who earlier "Shoot me Nigga!" comes after you knowing full well that you could shoot him. 

[Dahobbs 18190]

15 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

read the thread. He's a registered sex offender 

 

15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

something in arizona when he was 19 and the girl was 15...

Assuming it is the same guy (appears to be, but I haven't seen confirmation of it), it looked like he was 18 (offense was in early 2002, so it makes him 18 since he was 36 when he died) and the girl was 15+ (15, 16 or 17). We don't know her full age that I know of. Appears for the all the world to be criminalization of a high school sexual encounter based on a statutory rape law. Notably, that isn't pedophilia and doesn't warrant the tag "child molester,"  @immortal13

Edited September 2, 2020 by Dahobbs

[immortal13 4059]

8 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I mean I even said I shifted. Yeah, wouldn't you be scared when a man who earlier "Shoot me Nigga!" comes after you knowing full well that you could shoot him. 

Be careful what you wish for

Edited September 2, 2020 by immortal13

[Brisketexan 106619]

19 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

yeah, daily caller is trash. however, i kind of believe their version of events. 

this is where i came down earlier in the thread, and it's a similar view to what went down here in austin. the shooter might have felt the right to self-defense. but had he not brought a gun to a chaotic situation, no matter his motivations (he thought he was there to be a law and order influence), people are still alive. the very presence of him there with a gun, around other people with guns, actually does more to inflame people than it does to cow them. and, as the person with the gun, you got to make sure you have control of where you are aiming it. that's where the chaotic part of the situation comes in, and is also why you shouldn't bring a gun to a protest. someone feels that you threatened them because your barrel points in their direction, and shit can go sideways fucking quick. you may be rushing to put out a tire fire, but if you've ever had a gun pointed at you, you know it changes your perspective. when i was in high school, i was at a friend's house, and he pulled out his father's gun and pointed it at me as a joke. it was not remotely funny, that shit is scary. and that was among friends, not amongst strangers in an emotionally charged situation. this dude is brandishing a gun; it's not strapped to his back or over his shoulder. his trigger discipline looks strong, but when the sun goes down, that becomes less evident. it's a sad situation all around.

but in the end, had he not followed some call up for a fake militia, drove to kenosha, either brought a gun or procured one from a friend, and inserted himself into a situation, his life is not in turmoil, and people are still alive. you can value-judge the all the characters in this drama, but the gun is the key. had he done all the things, except the gun, there is an entirely different outcome here. 

This.

If you are purposefully putting yourself in a position where you dramatically increase the chances of 1) you getting beaten/shot by someone else (a losing proposition), or 2) you shoot and kill someone else (also a losing proposition), you should probably re-think your decision.

And you can absolutely create such a position where you or the other person is acting legally -- that is, no violation of criminal law or a valid defense to a criminal charge.  But there's a metric shit ton of stuff that's legal.....but really, really, really fucking stupid, and really, really, really fucking wrong.

I think that people who strap on an AR and head to a tense situation because they want a chance to be a hero, maybe by taking out some bad guys, have done something really, really wrong.  Just like I think that anyone who heads to a tense area with the intent of being ready so, if provoked by something the cops do, he can "fight back" is really, really wrong.

Even if you don't read that as seriously as I do, we should all be in agreement that someone who does those things isn't a hero.  But....we're not.  He's a great American Patriot, who should have a statue erected and be memorialized like the brave patriots at Lexington and Concord.

[dcar00 14902]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

 

Assuming it is the same guy (appears to be, but I haven't seen confirmation of it), it looked like he was 18 (offense was in early 2002, so it makes him 18 since he was 36 when he died) and the girl was 15+ (15, 16 or 17). We don't know her full age that I know of. Appears for the all the world to be criminalization of a high school sexual encounter based on a statutory rape law. Notably, that isn't pedophilia and doesn't warrant the tag "child molester,"  @immortal13

hmm I thought he was 19 at the time.

[dcar00 14902]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.

If you are purposefully putting yourself in a position where you dramatically increase the chances of 1) you getting beaten/shot by someone else (a losing proposition), or 2) you shoot and kill someone else (also a losing proposition), you should probably re-think your decision.

And you can absolutely create such a position where you or the other person is acting legally -- that is, no violation of criminal law or a valid defense to a criminal charge.  But there's a metric shit ton of stuff that's legal.....but really, really, really fucking stupid, and really, really, really fucking wrong.

I think that people who strap on an AR and head to a tense situation because they want a chance to be a hero, maybe by taking out some bad guys, have done something really, really wrong.  Just like I think that anyone who heads to a tense area with the intent of being ready so, if provoked by something the cops do, he can "fight back" is really, really wrong.

Even if you don't read that as seriously as I do, we should all be in agreement that someone who does those things isn't a hero.  But....we're not.  He's a great American Patriot, who should have a statue erected and be memorialized like the brave patriots at Lexington and Concord.

who here is saying he's a hero/great american patriot?

[workswithseed 2201]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Even if you don't read that as seriously as I do, we should all be in agreement that someone who does those things isn't a hero.  But....we're not.  He's a great American Patriot, who should have a statue erected and be memorialized like the brave patriots at Lexington and Concord.

Don't you hate that people only think of themselves? This kid was thinking of his community.

[Dahobbs 18190]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

hmm I thought he was 19 at the time.

Literally impossible. If he was 36 in August of 2020, which according to all reports he was, then he has to be 18 (or less, but I presume there wouldn't have been a criminal charge if he was under 18) in March of 2002. The other option is that the convicted sex offender isn't the same Joseph Rosenbaum. 

[Brisketexan 106619]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

who here is saying he's a hero/great american patriot?

He is, through his attorney.

[atomheartbevo 90546]

7 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Don't you hate that people only think of themselves? This kid was thinking of his community.

His community was in Illinois.

[dcar00 14902]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

He is, through his attorney.

so his attorney, responsible for defending him, is bloviating for the press.  color me shocked. somebody call the bar!!

I ask again.  who here is calling him a hero/american patriot?

[immortal13 4059]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

His community was in Illinois.

Well he's innocent there, too

[workswithseed 2201]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

His community was in Illinois.

Wait? Is all of illinois part of his community? If people die in Alaska from riots, he can't be mad and feel like he should do something about it? Apparently he also worked in Kenosha, seems weird that he would only be in illinois when he works in Wisconsin.

[Sgt Hulk 14330]

48 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.

If you are purposefully putting yourself in a position where you dramatically increase the chances of 1) you getting beaten/shot by someone else (a losing proposition), or 2) you shoot and kill someone else (also a losing proposition), you should probably re-think your decision.

 

You mean like fighting the police when they ask you to stop or reaching in your vehicle for a weapon or any of the other shit that has caused all this unrest.  I’m glad you finally agree 

[JBJ 3780]

32 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

His community was in Illinois.

You might want to look at a map

[atomheartbevo 90546]

18 minutes ago, JBJ said:

You might want to look at a map

I could live 5 feet away from the Oklahoma border, and I would not consider a town on the Okie side of the state line to be "my community".   If it doesn't matter to you, that's fine, he was still illegally carrying under Wisconsin laws and breaking a curfew in Wisconsin.  Hell, he was illegally carrying if it happened in Illinois for that matter.

[atomheartbevo 90546]

45 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Apparently he also worked in Kenosha, seems weird that he would only be in illinois when he works in Wisconsin.

He was furloughed from the Lindenhurst, Illinois YMCA in March.  Do you have information that he was recently working in Wisconsin?

And don't say "cleaning graffiti and playing battlefield medic" are jobs.

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

He was furloughed from the Lindenhurst, Illinois YMCA in March.  Do you have information that he was recently working in Wisconsin?

And don't say "cleaning graffiti and playing battlefield medic" are jobs.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

So he worked as a lifeguard there.

[Incredulity 11861]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I do appreciate the love and ample free space living rent-free in yall's heads. Any other tired, lazy, or borrowed nicknames you've been workshopping lately?

I’m particularly fond of;

Captainantifa

But your friends can call you Sandy. 

[atomheartbevo 90546]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

So he worked as a lifeguard there.

Okay, he worked there, but doesn't change what he did and what he's been charged with.

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

I’m particularly fond of;

Captainantifa

But your friends can call you Sandy. 

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3462]

8 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

 

 

I've always thought of ethnic groups as behaviors rather than genetic tests.  And it can't be superficial behavior, eg wrapping yourself in a checked tablecloth and listening to bagpipes doesn't make you Scottish, and slobbering over a waitress' titties at Oktoberfest doesn't make you German. On the other hand, inviting your neighbors to dinner and then slashing their throats, yo, that's VERY Scottish, and becoming a performance artist and slicing off your own nipples while screaming "Mutti, Muuuutti,", well I won't deny then that you're German.

Same with Hispanic. You gotta earn that title. In Laredo they know what's up. In Austin, they tend to mail it in, just like the Czechs they think they're something because their grandaddy was that thing. Hell, my grandaddy was an electrician, want me to rewire your house? I am sure there are some super-duper Hispanics in Austin, but my scientific survey (follow a multi-generational family through Walmart, see what Gramama speaks, see if daughter or grandaughter answer in the same language) indicates that within a generation, Austin Hispanics will all be learning Norwegian while eating mayonnaise in the park, in Duluth.

And you white motherfuckers in Austin, damn y'all some shrill kind of white too.

Yep

It's been my argument forever. The fear mongering surrounding whites losing their majority status is self-destructive, unnecessary, and ultimately will be much to do about nothing. Hispanics will eventually see the same immersion into becoming "culturally white" as the Irish, Jews, Italians, and eastern Europeans before them. In states like Texas we've already seen this happen to some extent. If it weren't for the recent turn towards becoming aggressively nativist by politicians of a certain stripe we'd be much further along on this evolution.   

[fattyflattie 4640]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

If you are purposefully putting yourself in a position where you dramatically increase the chances of 1) you getting beaten/shot by someone else (a losing proposition), or

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And you can absolutely create such a position where you or the other person is acting legally -- that is, no violation of criminal law or a valid defense to a criminal charge.  But there's a metric shit ton of stuff that's legal.....but really, really, really fucking stupid, and really, really, really fucking wrong.

Just a bit ironic. Jacob Blake following either of these and we wouldn’t even fucking be here right now.   

[Dahobbs 18190]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Just a bit ironic. Jacob Blake following either of these and we wouldn’t even fucking be here right now.   

Yes we would. It would have just been some other blackman murdered or assaulted by police that would have caught the nation's attention, even if just for a moment. 

Edited September 3, 2020 by Dahobbs

[Thatguy 9293]

6 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Wait? Is all of illinois part of his community? If people die in Alaska from riots, he can't be mad and feel like he should do something about it? Apparently he also worked in Kenosha, seems weird that he would only be in illinois when he works in Wisconsin.

The YMCA he was furloughed from back in March is in Lindhurst, Ill. The reports of him working the day of are false. He was cleaning the walls of a school earlier in the day. Unless it was believed he had time to drive there, clean graffiti, work as a lifeguard, then still be shooting people at a protest at night.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Thatguy

[TwiceHorn 31987]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

The fact that his lawyer is pushing such an insane point-of-view automatically makes me think he is on shaky legal ground.

Put aside that he was not legally allowed to be carrying, and was not legally allowed to be out at that time, and was not even in his own state.

His lawyer is out there bleating to the media and public that his actions put him on part with British colonial rebels in the 1770s.

But it's 2020.  So of course somebody in this situation has a lawyer saying they are starting another revolution.  Even though the side he opposes also thinks they are starting a revolution.

If Joe Exotic ran for President this year, he'd pull in millions of votes.

He's on shaky legal ground on the carrying a firearm count, for sure.  So shaky, in fact, that it has fallen away beneath him.  The only attack, and it's a flimsy one, is a Second Amendment attack.

The rest of it, not so much.

The posturing by his lawyer is insane.

Edited September 3, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Revolution512 1512]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Yes we would. It would have just been some other blackman murdered or assaulted by police that would have caught the nation's attention, even if just for a moment. 

Blackman? You racist bastard

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Yep

It's been my argument forever. The fear mongering surrounding whites losing their majority status is self-destructive, unnecessary, and ultimately will be much to do about nothing. Hispanics will eventually see the same immersion into becoming "culturally white" as the Irish, Jews, Italians, and eastern Europeans before them. In states like Texas we've already seen this happen to some extent. If it weren't for the recent turn towards becoming aggressively nativist by politicians of a certain stripe we'd be much further along on this evolution.   

Good point.  And there's probably a sizable percentage of black folks that would be on the more conservative end of things if "conservatives" didn't keep kicking them in the teeth.

Having a "minority majority" country is not a glide path to socialism as those nativists would have you think.

[Thatguy 9293]

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good point.  And there's probably a sizable percentage of black folks that would be on the more conservative end of things if "conservatives" didn't keep kicking them in the teeth.

Having a "minority majority" country is not a glide path to socialism as those nativists would have you think.

  Bro, I have been trying to tell people this forever.

[Enchubben 5598]

I’m trying to decide which hero I should put on my football helmet. The teenager with the rifle who killed two guys and shot another, or the sexual assaulter who fought the cops? 

[Bevo 13825]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I’m trying to decide which hero I should put on my football helmet. The teenager with the rifle who killed two guys and shot another, or the sexual assaulter who fought the cops? 

 

 

[52-80 19379]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I’m trying to decide which hero I should put on my football helmet. The teenager with the rifle who killed two guys and shot another, or the sexual assaulter who fought the cops? 

[bad_teammate 13479]

13 hours ago, workswithseed said:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

So he worked as a lifeguard there.

Well if Rittenhouse's lawyer says it and a dead-eyed alt-right grifter believes him, it must be true!

These sources, man.

[Thatguy 9293]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Well if Rittenhouse's lawyer says it and a dead-eyed alt-right grifter believes him, it must be true!

These sources, man.

 Let em ride with it. I mean, the YMCA reps came out and said not only is the YMCA in Ill, but he hasn't worked there since March. I do find the articles a good read though. I like to see how cleanly this whole thing can be spun, and they do a good job. "Rittenhouse was walking an old lady across the street when he had no choice but to shoot Joseph Rosenbaum as he saw him diddling a toddler between two cars in a used car lot".

[Doc Reeves 6434]

13 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good point.  And there's probably a sizable percentage of black folks that would be on the more conservative end of things if "conservatives" didn't keep kicking them in the teeth.

Having a "minority majority" country is not a glide path to socialism as those nativists would have you think.

Fucking A. 
 

I feel like the the right would be shocked at what they have in common with the majority of the black community. 
It’s like the “reveal” scene at the end of “Birdcage” with Gene Hackman and Nathan Lane.

An American political party should focus on the values that make it a platform because in a democracy those values still hold tremendous... uh, ‘value’ even if they may be, for a time, in the minority.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Doc Reeves
Lots of use of the word “value”

[atomheartbevo 90546]

20 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Wait? Is all of illinois part of his community? If people die in Alaska from riots, he can't be mad and feel like he should do something about it? Apparently he also worked in Kenosha, seems weird that he would only be in illinois when he works in Wisconsin.

19 hours ago, workswithseed said:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

So he worked as a lifeguard there.

Let's back this up:  You're going to have to find a better source than a website that considers Alex Jones a fucking news source, and that has worked with him.

All I've seen from legitimate sources is the court records showing he worked as a lifeguard in Illinois, and was let go in March.

 

 

[immortal13 4059]

Libs are triggered that one of their best dumpster burners was taken out. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 minute ago, immortal13 said:

Libs are triggered that one of their best dumpster burners was taken out. 

I mean... the "triggered" thesis seminar is most certainly his legal teams response to this. Its their entire platform. 

Theyre just trying to provoke so they can send twitter clips to fox new. I mean its exactly what the Russians do regularly, just not as well done.

[atomheartbevo 90546]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/attorney-for-kyle-rittenhouse-locked-of-twitter-account

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The high-profile attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with fatally shooting two people in Kenosha, said he was locked out of his Twitter account Tuesday after posting about raising money for Rittenhouse's legal defense.

L. Lin Wood argued the action against his account is the latest example of Twitter censorship of conservative voices and he intends to file a lawsuit against the social media giant and its CEO Jack Dorsey.

Quote

"I'm going to take Jack Dorsey's ass down," Wood told Fox News. "He has been abusing the First Amendment of this country for his own agenda."

Am I missing something here:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

@TwiceHorn am I leaving out some part of the amendment that relates to twitter and Jack Dorsey?

 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

10 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Libs are triggered that one of their best dumpster burners was taken out. 

This is what irks me about the whole thing. 

As far as I can tell, the dumpster burner wasn't really a protestor, he was just a troublemaker.  Not a lib, not legit BLM.

Same appears true for skateboard guy.  This guy is the most equivocal.

The "protest medic" was armed and so was in pari delicto with Rittenhouse.  Maybe a lib, maybe BLM, but as guilty of the initial bad judgment of bringing a firearm to an event where it was likely to be misused.

I get that Rittenhouse has some alignments with the right/Trump, but I really think his bad judgment and actions in this stems more from a personal pathology than politics.  And I mean a personal pathology other than Trumpism.

This whole thing is a result of people behaving badly, not really politics.  In my opinion, based on what I've looked at.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/attorney-for-kyle-rittenhouse-locked-of-twitter-account

Am I missing something here:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

@TwiceHorn am I leaving out some part of the amendment that relates to twitter and Jack Dorsey?

 

No.  There is a kind of cracked theory out there that by using a regulated medium such as the internet, there's enough "state action" in Twatter and other social media (a government-created public forum) to be covered by the First Amendment.  Key word there is "cracked."

I've lost all respect for Lin Wood.  He's a nutbag on the order of Larry Klayman.  I thought his work on behalf of RIchard Jewell was admirable, but every blind squirrel finds a nut, I guess.

Edited September 3, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[immortal13 4059]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is what irks me about the whole thing. 

As far as I can tell, the dumpster burner wasn't really a protestor, he was just a troublemaker.  Not a lib, not legit BLM.

Same appears true for skateboard guy.  This guy is the most equivocal.

The "protest medic" was armed and so was in pari delicto with Rittenhouse.  Maybe a lib, maybe BLM, but as guilty of the initial bad judgment of bringing a firearm to an event where it was likely to be misused.

I get that Rittenhouse has some alignments with the right/Trump, but I really think his bad judgment and actions in this stems more from a personal pathology than politics.  And I mean a personal pathology other than Trumpism.

This whole thing is a result of people behaving badly, not really politics.  In my opinion, based on what I've looked at.

Libs/media try to tie everything to Trump. None of this shit has anything to do with Trump

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Libs/media try to tie everything to Trump. None of this shit has anything to do with Trump

By the same token, very little of it has to do with protests or BLM either.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

By the same token, very little of it has to do with protests or BLM either.

 

This is really an excellent back and forth post. 

Edited September 3, 2020 by Doc Reeves

[Thatguy 9293]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is what irks me about the whole thing. 

As far as I can tell, the dumpster burner wasn't really a protestor, he was just a troublemaker.  Not a lib, not legit BLM.

Same appears true for skateboard guy.  This guy is the most equivocal.

The "protest medic" was armed and so was in pari delicto with Rittenhouse.  Maybe a lib, maybe BLM, but as guilty of the initial bad judgment of bringing a firearm to an event where it was likely to be misused.

I get that Rittenhouse has some alignments with the right/Trump, but I really think his bad judgment and actions in this stems more from a personal pathology than politics.  And I mean a personal pathology other than Trumpism.

This whole thing is a result of people behaving badly, not really politics.  In my opinion, based on what I've looked at.

  Medic guy is the most interesting. There is a video just after Rittenhouse takes off running that is from Medic guy streaming. He is running kind of next to but slightly behind him and asking him what happened, and if he just shot someone. Rittenhouse says something back and that's when they all start yelling to get him. If he was just looking to shoot Rittenhouse he had every opportunity to do so.

[huge 3825]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

This whole thing is a result of people behaving badly, not really politics.  In my opinion, based on what I've looked at.

Oh fuck right off.  EVERYTHING HAS TO BE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.  AND I NEED THAT IN ORDER TO CHOOSE MY SIDE/ARGUMENT.

 

ppppsssshhhhh with the whole idea of nuance and middle ground