Media Bias

[YChang 3453]

I’m quite fond of my growing collection of KUT t-shirts. 

[Mole 4333]

NPR suffers from the affliction known as bâton dans le derriére. This infects everything they do, particularly their news/political coverage.

I used to enjoy their lighter Saturday broadcasts, but those have become more political and less funny in our present era. I just want to hear clever puns with underlying snobbery, not tired jokes dunking on terrible people.

It’s nice to be able to hear classical music on the radio even if they’re apparently contractually obligated to play Beethoven or Brahms every 3rd piece. I haven’t listened much in recent years to see if I can still hear Alec Baldwin’s gravelly voice introduce yet another performance of Beethoven 7. Bruce Adolphe’s piano puzzlers on performance today are fun though. Diane Rehm’s fart sniffing was worth it to hear Claude Bolling’s Toot Suite as the theme song.

Their local/state news coverage is quite good, complete with that awkward local NPR feel.

[troph 24861]

That’s radio. And on the public tv side I’ve been enjoying the hell out of Frontline from PBS the last few days.  The News Hour is pretty good historically I haven’t sat to watch it in a few years.  I watch BBC on TV more than PBS and admit to flipping through the majors when events happen. But damn the big three are lazy and are just on a 20 min news loop and talking heads. It’s so bad.

Edited April 20 by troph

[Longhornstampede 3184]

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

4 hours ago, Longhornstampede said:

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

Jesus dude how old are you?

[3 Stacks 9]

7 hours ago, Longhornstampede said:

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

There might be a little dust on the bottle…

[Longhornstampede 3184]

5 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

There might be a little dust on the bottle…

Spit on it..  

[Longhornstampede 3184]

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Jesus dude how old are you?

Buncha feggets round here...

[F250 28784]

16 hours ago, Longhornstampede said:

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

Diane Rhem would have been a cougar in the early 1990s. She is pushing 90 years old now and that isn't a cougar, that's weird fetish territory.

[Truth Hurts 77]

sorry to offend our big fans of The View @safe sex @Schulz2.0 LOL..

There are intelligent, rational women on that fine program

 

 

Edited April 22 by Truth Hurts

[Goredho 17408]

On 4/21/2024 at 4:23 AM, Longhornstampede said:

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

When reached for comment, male cougars simply responded with

 

[Bevo 13579]

14 hours ago, F250 said:

Diane Rhem would have been a cougar in the early 1990s. She is pushing 90 years old now and that isn't a cougar, that's weird fetish territory.

Next someone is going to tell us about their Terry Gross fetish, hopefully, not over lunchtime.

[BabaYaga 15301]

On 4/21/2024 at 5:23 AM, Longhornstampede said:

For a cougar, I would definitely consider sniffing her farts....

 

[TwiceHorn 31497]

2 hours ago, Truth Hurts said:

sorry to offend our big fans of The View @safe sex @Schulz2.0 LOL..

There are intelligent, rational women on that fine program

 

 

Y'know, at least they title it "The View," implying that it has a viewpoint and is infotainment and not news.

Would that some other channels/networks were that candid with their infotainment.

[Dbeasy 15068]

Good luck trying to do that. 

[aggie08 21505]

2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

The media's failure to report Donald Trump's deliberate sabotage of the United States is a catastrophic failure of our Fourth Estate. For four years, the media has refused to connect the dots between Trump's intentional actions and the devastating consequences that the Nation has been forced to confront.

Trump's Middle East policies were a masterclass in chaos and destruction. He hastily withdrew from Afghanistan, releasing 5,000 terrorists and abandoning the Afghan government to the whims of our adversaries. He callously abandoned our allies in Syria, leaving them to be slaughtered, and politicized Ukraine for his own gain. His inflammatory decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem further destabilized the region.

Trump's foreign policy was a calculated betrayal of American interests. He has consistently signaled his allegiance to autocratic dictators, threatening to withdraw from NATO and abandon our allies to the mercy of our enemies. This was not a mistake; it was a deliberate attempt to undermine American global leadership.

The pandemic's devastating impact—the staggering death toll, widespread shutdowns, job losses, and economic carnage—was a direct result of Trump's reckless decision to abandon the expert-crafted pandemic playbook. This was no accident; it was a deliberate choice to prioritize his own ego over the lives of Americans.

Trump's tax "reform" was a cynical ploy to enrich billionaires at the expense of the middle class. He deliberately crafted a system that would expire middle class tax breaks while making permanent the giveaways to the 1%. This was a Trojan horse designed to explode in the face of the next Democratic administration.

On immigration, Trump's only accomplishment was his vainglorious border wall, a futile attempt to distract from his complete failure to address the root causes of immigration. He ignored the pleas of experts, refused to engage with foreign leaders, and instead chose to fan the flames of xenophobia and fear.

Trump's response to inflation was a case study in incompetence and corruption. He has consistently refused to acknowledge the rampant price gouging and profiteering that has driven up costs for Americans. His commodity market manipulation and disastrous deal with OPEC have kept global oil prices artificially high, inflating the cost of living for millions. This was not a mistake; it was a deliberate choice to prioritize corporate profits over the welfare of Americans.

The truth is inescapable: the nation has been forced to confront a series of deliberate, intentional crises created by Trump. The media's refusal to draw these connections is not just journalistic malpractice—it is a dereliction of duty that has real-world consequences.

These are not opinions or interpretations; they are documented facts, undeniable and uncontestable. The media's failure to hold Trump accountable has emboldened him to attack the very fabric of American democracy, rolling back progress on women's autonomy, racial equity, religious freedom, and the rule of law.

The corporate media ecosystem has failed us all, prioritizing profits over people, ratings over truth, and access over accountability. It is time to hold them accountable for their complicity in Trump's sabotage of America.

Yeah, man, it's over. 

Even ignoring all the of the comparatively complex issues above, a former President and his attack dogs are parading across the country blatantly lying about the government response and use of relief funds in the middle of a real national disaster, straight up calling his political opponents murderers in the process. This after he couldn't get enough traction trying to convince people that immigrants are trying to eat your house pets. He's purposely put vulnerable Americans in harm's way for photo ops and sound bites. And the collective media response has been, "Whoa boy, this election is really heating up!"

Corporate media still soundly beats the "sources" of the do your own research crowd, but that ain't exactly saying much. I don't see any path back to their voices actually mattering again.

Everyone chased the Fox infotainment ratings, and they failed and completely forfeit their integrity in the process.

Edited October 7 by aggie08

[statsman 5472]

3 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

The media's failure to report Donald Trump's deliberate sabotage of the United States is a catastrophic failure of our Fourth Estate. For four years, the media has refused to connect the dots between Trump's intentional actions and the devastating consequences that the Nation has been forced to confront.

Trump's Middle East policies were a masterclass in chaos and destruction. He hastily withdrew from Afghanistan, releasing 5,000 terrorists and abandoning the Afghan government to the whims of our adversaries. He callously abandoned our allies in Syria, leaving them to be slaughtered, and politicized Ukraine for his own gain. His inflammatory decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem further destabilized the region.

Trump's foreign policy was a calculated betrayal of American interests. He has consistently signaled his allegiance to autocratic dictators, threatening to withdraw from NATO and abandon our allies to the mercy of our enemies. This was not a mistake; it was a deliberate attempt to undermine American global leadership.

The pandemic's devastating impact—the staggering death toll, widespread shutdowns, job losses, and economic carnage—was a direct result of Trump's reckless decision to abandon the expert-crafted pandemic playbook. This was no accident; it was a deliberate choice to prioritize his own ego over the lives of Americans.

Trump's tax "reform" was a cynical ploy to enrich billionaires at the expense of the middle class. He deliberately crafted a system that would expire middle class tax breaks while making permanent the giveaways to the 1%. This was a Trojan horse designed to explode in the face of the next Democratic administration.

On immigration, Trump's only accomplishment was his vainglorious border wall, a futile attempt to distract from his complete failure to address the root causes of immigration. He ignored the pleas of experts, refused to engage with foreign leaders, and instead chose to fan the flames of xenophobia and fear.

Trump's response to inflation was a case study in incompetence and corruption. He has consistently refused to acknowledge the rampant price gouging and profiteering that has driven up costs for Americans. His commodity market manipulation and disastrous deal with OPEC have kept global oil prices artificially high, inflating the cost of living for millions. This was not a mistake; it was a deliberate choice to prioritize corporate profits over the welfare of Americans.

The truth is inescapable: the nation has been forced to confront a series of deliberate, intentional crises created by Trump. The media's refusal to draw these connections is not just journalistic malpractice—it is a dereliction of duty that has real-world consequences.

These are not opinions or interpretations; they are documented facts, undeniable and uncontestable. The media's failure to hold Trump accountable has emboldened him to attack the very fabric of American democracy, rolling back progress on women's autonomy, racial equity, religious freedom, and the rule of law.

The corporate media ecosystem has failed us all, prioritizing profits over people, ratings over truth, and access over accountability. It is time to hold them accountable for their complicity in Trump's sabotage of America.

Nm

Edited October 7 by statsman

[immamac 42866]

@Bevo what exactly is wrong here? This is a post about media bias and its a clear and on topic post about that. 

[Bevo 13579]

23 minutes ago, immamac said:

@Bevo what exactly is wrong here? This is a post about media bias and its a clear and on topic post about that. 

Sorry, I thought we were sticking to news on DT.

 

“Media Bias? Kamala Harris’s 21 False Claims Unchecked During Debate, According to Breitbart Report”

Sep 12, 2024

 

In her Breitbart News article, Alana Mastrangelo highlights 21 claims Vice President Kamala Harris made during a recent debate that ABC’s moderators did not fact-check. 

 

In her Breitbart News article, Alana Mastrangelo highlights 21 claims Vice President Kamala Harris made during a recent debate that ABC’s moderators did not fact-check. The article critiques the media’s failure to challenge Harris, contrasting it with the scrutiny of former President Donald Trump during the same event.

Mastrangelo addresses specific points she deems to be false and misleading, starting with the “Very Fine People” hoax, in which Harris repeated the debunked claim that Trump referred to neo-Nazis as “very fine people” in Charlottesville. She also addresses Harris’s comments about Trump’s supposed involvement in Project 2025 and his stance on fracking, both of which Mastrangelo describes as false representations.

The article further explores Harris’s claim that Trump contributed to the Afghanistan withdrawal disaster and her argument that Trump’s trade policies caused high deficits. Mastrangelo counters these with data suggesting the deficits weren’t as severe as under previous administrations. She also calls out Harris’s assertion that Trump wants to be a dictator as another unfounded claim, especially in light of the Biden administration’s struggles with foreign policy, such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Mastrangelo’s critique includes multiple “hoaxes,” as she calls them, regarding Trump’s stance on abortion, gun rights, and economic issues like a national sales tax. According to the author, Harris painted a misleading picture of Trump’s record, frequently revisiting debunked accusations and ignoring or distorting historical context.

The article closes with the assertion that ABC debate moderators did not challenge Harris’s statements, leaving the audience with a potentially skewed perception of Trump’s record, while the same scrutiny was applied to Trump’s responses. Mastrangelo stresses the contrast in treatment between the two candidates during the debate, pointing out Harris’s numerous unchecked claims, which she argues form part of a broader political strategy based on misinformation.

Sources: Alana Mastrangelo, Breitbart News, “21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC’s Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/09/10/21-kamala-harris-false-claims-hoaxes-that-debate-moderators-did-not-fact-check

 

 

[immamac 42866]

Breitbart? You are fucking kidding right? 

[immamac 42866]

Breitbart News Network (/ˈbraɪtbɑːrt/; known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart, or Breitbart.com) is an American far-right^[5] syndicated news, opinion, and commentary^[6][7] website founded in mid-2007 by American conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart. Its content has been described as misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by academics and journalists.^[8] The site has published a number of conspiracy theories^[9][10] and intentionally misleading stories.^[11][12] Posts originating from the Breitbart News Facebook page are among the most widely shared political content on Facebook.^{[13][14][15][16]}

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[immamac 42866]

That's a page they can choose to update and fix as the organization themselves. They leave it up there like that intentionally, not because wikimedia makes them. 

[Bevo 13579]

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Breitbart? You are fucking kidding right? 

No for no reason you gaslit me over someone’s political opinion that they posted.

21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC’s Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check

Alana Mastrangelo10 Sep 2024

Win McNamee/Getty Imagesnormal

Vice President Kamala Harris issued a slew of false claims and hoaxes that ABC debate moderators did not fact check during Tuesday’s debate against former President Donald Trump.

Here are 21 false claims and hoaxes that Harris uttered on live television, in front of millions of Americans:

1. “Very fine people” hoax

Harris claimed Trump called neo-Nazis in Charlottesville “very fine people,” a widely known hoax that Democrats continue to repeat, despite it being debunked for years by numerous outlets, including by the left-wing fact checking website Snopes.

2. Project 2025 hoax

Harris accused Trump of wanting to implement Project 2025. This is false. Trump has repeatedly stated that he has nothing to do with it and hasn’t even read it.

Trump promptly corrected Harris on the debate stage, saying, “I have nothing to do — as you know, and as she knows, better than anyone — I have nothing to do with Project 2025. I haven’t read it, I don’t want to read it, purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

“I have nothing to do [with it],” Trump added. “Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m going to do: cut taxes very substantially, and create a great economy like I did before.”

3. False claims on Trump trade deficit

Harris claimed “the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit” that was “one of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America.” This is patently false.

The trade deficit climbed to around $653 billion in Trump’s final year as president, in part because of depressed global demand for U.S. goods and services and a U.S. economy that recovered sooner than most other developed economies.

But the trade deficit never rose to the levels seen under former President George W. Bush or the Biden-Harris administration.

4. Putin can “do whatever the hell he wants”

Harris claimed that Trump told Russian President Vladimir Putin that he could “do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.” This is false. Trump never told Putin he could do “whatever the hell he wants,” and he never told Putin he could invade Ukraine.

To add insult to injury, this false claim is also coupled with stark gaslighting, given that Putin appears to be doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration — such as invading Ukraine — and not during the Trump administration.

5. “Dictator on day one” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “wants to be a dictator on day one.” This is false. Trump has never said this.

Oddly, Harris attempted to justify her false claim by making another false claim (the aforementioned erroneous claim coupled with gaslighting), which was that the 45th president told Putin he could “do whatever the hell he wants.”

Remarkably, Harris failed to mention that Putin has actually been doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration.

6. Blaming botched Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump

In another example of never before seen levels of gaslighting, Harris blamed her and Biden’s disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump.

After being asked point blank, “Do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?” Harris segued to talking about Trump’s communications with the Taliban, suggesting that the Biden-Harris administration is not responsible for its own botched Afghanistan withdrawal.

This is not the first time Harris falsely claimed Trump is responsible for her and Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal. Last week, her campaign tried to blame it on Trump — even though it happened seven months after he left office — claiming he didn’t give the Biden-Harris administration any “plans” on what to do.

7. Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv”

Harris claimed Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe” if Trump were president. This is false.

Russia under Putin invaded neighbors during the George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden administrations, but never during the Trump administration.

8. “Bloodbath” hoax

Harris also repeated the “bloodbath” hoax, falsely claiming that Trump called for a “bloodbath” if he lost the election.

This is a long-debunked hoax, as Trump was referring to the car industry.

9. Abortion “monitor” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump wanted an abortion “monitor.” This is false. Trump has never said anything like that.

This is not the first time Harris has used this false statement. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when she made it at the Democratic National Convention. Notably, Harris has never provided the basis for her claim, which is calculated to scare voters, but is simply fictitious.

While making this claim, Harris also uttered another false claim that Trump seeks to implement a “national abortion ban.” Trump has repeatedly stated that he would not sign a federal abortion ban. Additionally, abortion is not a federal issue. It is a state issue.

10. Rental property hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “refused to rent property to black families.” This is false.

The claim has been made for years, but it has never been proven. In 2016, the Associated Press did a fact check on the claim, reporting that Trump and his father settled a government lawsuit about it with no admission of fault.

11. Central Park Five “execution” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five. This is false.

Trump never specifically called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five defendants. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when Democrats made it at their convention last month.

12. “Suckers and losers” hoax

Harris alluded to the “suckers and losers” hoax by claiming that Trump had disparaged the military, including the fallen. This is false.

The false claim that Trump called dead soldiers “suckers and losers” is a familiar hoax that has also been repeated by President Joe Biden. It stems from a report by the left-wing Atlantic, which has never been directly corroborated, and has been refuted by many eyewitnesses.

13. False fracking claims

Harris claimed she never called to ban fracking. This is false, as she explicitly called to end fracking when running for president in 2019.

14. False oil production claims

Harris claimed that the Biden-Harris administration ramped up oil production. This is false. The Biden-Harris administration has actively worked to curb domestic oil production.

Early in the administration, Biden ordered the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and review existing permits for fossil fuel development. In 2023, the Biden-Harris administration canceled oil leases sold by the Trump administration in the Alaskan wildlife refuge and blocked new drilling.

15. National Sales Tax

Harris accused Trump of proposing a national sales tax. This is false. President Trump has not proposed a national sales tax.

During the debate, Harris referred to a “Trump sales tax” and claimed it would add 20 percent to the cost of goods. She was likely referring to Trump’s proposal to raise tariffs on imports.

But tariffs are paid by companies that import goods from abroad and not by consumers. They are not a sales tax.

16. Distorting unemployment figures

Harris claimed that Trump “left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” This is false, as unemployment was 6.4 percent in January 2021, not far from full employment, when Trump left office.

17. “I was raised middle-class”

Harris claimed she had a middle-class upbringing, saying, ” I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.”

This is mostly false. Harris had a rich Canadian upbringing, growing up in Westmount — a majority English neighborhood in the French province of Quebec.

Amusingly, Harris made her “middle-class” claim while completely dodging the question, “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?” — and again, ABC moderators never brought her back on track to the question at hand.

18. “Terminating” the Constitution

Harris claimed that Trump wants to “terminate” the U.S. Constitution. This is false. Trump does not want to “terminate” the Constitution and has refuted this lie himself.

Her claim likely stems from Trump’s reaction in 2022 to a bombshell New York Post report that the Democrat Party colluded with what was then known as Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution,” Trump said in a 2022 Truth Social post. “This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their HOAXES & SCAMS.”

“What I said was that when there is ‘MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,’ as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG,” Trump added.

19. “Sold us out” to China

Harris claimed that Trump “sold us out” to the Chinese government with policies that “ended up selling American chips to China.” This is false.

The Trump administration blocked the takeover of an American semiconductor maker by a Chinese investor, restricted exports to China’s top chipmaker, and largely limited sales to China and even to third countries who do business with Chinese companies considered a national security threat, such as the telecommunications company Huawei.

In another example of blatant gaslighting, the Biden-Harris administration reportedly started greenlighting third party suppliers to sell chips to Huawei in 2021.

20. “Not one” troop in any war zone

Harris claimed there are currently no active-duty troops in any combat zone anywhere around the world for the first time this century. This is false.

There are currently active duty U.S. troops deployed to Iraq and Syria who have been under frequent attack by Iran-backed militia forces over the past year. There are also thousands of active-duty U.S. sailors deployed to the Middle East who are facing attacks by drone strikes and missiles fired by the Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. Earlier this year, three U.S. soldiers were killed on the border of Syria by Iran-backed forces.

21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8 by Bevo

[TwiceHorn 31497]

Not to mention that article is hilariously facile.  I guess he's trying to illustrate the point.

[immamac 42866]

Gaslight? You reported the post 3 times and there's nothing wrong with the post. It's on topic. 

[Bevo 13579]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not to mention that article is hilariously facile.  I guess he's trying to illustrate the point.

I think my post is pretty clear that I don’t like that @immamac gaslit me when I reported a political opinion post in DT. Let’s stick to articles instead of opinion like is immamac’s policy. 

[immamac 42866]

Its not off topic and it doesn't derail this thread to CR. That's not gaslighting anything. 

[statsman 5472]

20 minutes ago, immamac said:

 

Edited October 8 by statsman

[Bevo 13579]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Its not off topic and it doesn't derail this thread to CR. That's not gaslighting anything. 

You could have done it privately, but you chose not to. Anyway, I’m done on the subject. 

[statsman 5472]

Yeah. House rules. 
 
Easiest way to stay out of trouble is to not post in DT. 

Edited October 8 by statsman

[immamac 42866]

6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

You could have done it privately, but you chose not to. Anyway, I’m done on the subject. 

Stop reporting posts 3 times. Stop fucking with me. 

[elfenix 34314]

[elfenix 34314]

and for everyone on the prior page, though marketplace is usually carried on NPR affiliates, it is actually a production of American Public Media. which is why Kai says 'this is APM' at the end of each show.

[Dbeasy 15068]

I’m so confused. Why is a trash article from a garbage business like Brietbart being quoted multiple times here.  

[aggie08 21505]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Stop reporting posts 3 times. Stop fucking with me. 

But what if I strenuously object?

[huge 3793]

50 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

But what if I strenuously object?

Is there any truth to any of it?  Does anyone care?  Trump has opened the door so wide on shitty political discourse I don't think the horse is ever going back in the barn.

[markstanco 12577]

Gaslight? You reported the post 3 times and there's nothing wrong with the post. It's on topic. 

You are the owner of this website and engaging in politics. WTF are you doing here? If you are left or right who cares? You are alienating half of your users.

[immamac 42866]

I'm starting to think maybe I'll just shut the board down after this season. Then I'll alienate all the users! 

[huge 3793]

That’s so crazy it just might work!!!

[royiv 9326]

36 minutes ago, markstanco said:

You are the owner of this website and engaging in politics. WTF are you doing here? If you are left or right who cares? You are alienating half of your users.

The irony of this post in light of the post you just made in the Elon thread.

[royiv 9326]

6 hours ago, Bevo said:

No for no reason you gaslit me over someone’s political opinion that they posted.

21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC’s Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check

Alana Mastrangelo10 Sep 2024

Win McNamee/Getty Imagesnormal

Vice President Kamala Harris issued a slew of false claims and hoaxes that ABC debate moderators did not fact check during Tuesday’s debate against former President Donald Trump.

Here are 21 false claims and hoaxes that Harris uttered on live television, in front of millions of Americans:

1. “Very fine people” hoax

Harris claimed Trump called neo-Nazis in Charlottesville “very fine people,” a widely known hoax that Democrats continue to repeat, despite it being debunked for years by numerous outlets, including by the left-wing fact checking website Snopes.

2. Project 2025 hoax

Harris accused Trump of wanting to implement Project 2025. This is false. Trump has repeatedly stated that he has nothing to do with it and hasn’t even read it.

Trump promptly corrected Harris on the debate stage, saying, “I have nothing to do — as you know, and as she knows, better than anyone — I have nothing to do with Project 2025. I haven’t read it, I don’t want to read it, purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

“I have nothing to do [with it],” Trump added. “Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m going to do: cut taxes very substantially, and create a great economy like I did before.”

3. False claims on Trump trade deficit

Harris claimed “the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit” that was “one of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America.” This is patently false.

The trade deficit climbed to around $653 billion in Trump’s final year as president, in part because of depressed global demand for U.S. goods and services and a U.S. economy that recovered sooner than most other developed economies.

But the trade deficit never rose to the levels seen under former President George W. Bush or the Biden-Harris administration.

4. Putin can “do whatever the hell he wants”

Harris claimed that Trump told Russian President Vladimir Putin that he could “do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.” This is false. Trump never told Putin he could do “whatever the hell he wants,” and he never told Putin he could invade Ukraine.

To add insult to injury, this false claim is also coupled with stark gaslighting, given that Putin appears to be doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration — such as invading Ukraine — and not during the Trump administration.

5. “Dictator on day one” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “wants to be a dictator on day one.” This is false. Trump has never said this.

Oddly, Harris attempted to justify her false claim by making another false claim (the aforementioned erroneous claim coupled with gaslighting), which was that the 45th president told Putin he could “do whatever the hell he wants.”

Remarkably, Harris failed to mention that Putin has actually been doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration.

6. Blaming botched Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump

In another example of never before seen levels of gaslighting, Harris blamed her and Biden’s disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump.

After being asked point blank, “Do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?” Harris segued to talking about Trump’s communications with the Taliban, suggesting that the Biden-Harris administration is not responsible for its own botched Afghanistan withdrawal.

This is not the first time Harris falsely claimed Trump is responsible for her and Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal. Last week, her campaign tried to blame it on Trump — even though it happened seven months after he left office — claiming he didn’t give the Biden-Harris administration any “plans” on what to do.

7. Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv”

Harris claimed Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe” if Trump were president. This is false.

Russia under Putin invaded neighbors during the George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden administrations, but never during the Trump administration.

8. “Bloodbath” hoax

Harris also repeated the “bloodbath” hoax, falsely claiming that Trump called for a “bloodbath” if he lost the election.

This is a long-debunked hoax, as Trump was referring to the car industry.

9. Abortion “monitor” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump wanted an abortion “monitor.” This is false. Trump has never said anything like that.

This is not the first time Harris has used this false statement. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when she made it at the Democratic National Convention. Notably, Harris has never provided the basis for her claim, which is calculated to scare voters, but is simply fictitious.

While making this claim, Harris also uttered another false claim that Trump seeks to implement a “national abortion ban.” Trump has repeatedly stated that he would not sign a federal abortion ban. Additionally, abortion is not a federal issue. It is a state issue.

10. Rental property hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “refused to rent property to black families.” This is false.

The claim has been made for years, but it has never been proven. In 2016, the Associated Press did a fact check on the claim, reporting that Trump and his father settled a government lawsuit about it with no admission of fault.

11. Central Park Five “execution” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five. This is false.

Trump never specifically called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five defendants. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when Democrats made it at their convention last month.

12. “Suckers and losers” hoax

Harris alluded to the “suckers and losers” hoax by claiming that Trump had disparaged the military, including the fallen. This is false.

The false claim that Trump called dead soldiers “suckers and losers” is a familiar hoax that has also been repeated by President Joe Biden. It stems from a report by the left-wing Atlantic, which has never been directly corroborated, and has been refuted by many eyewitnesses.

13. False fracking claims

Harris claimed she never called to ban fracking. This is false, as she explicitly called to end fracking when running for president in 2019.

14. False oil production claims

Harris claimed that the Biden-Harris administration ramped up oil production. This is false. The Biden-Harris administration has actively worked to curb domestic oil production.

Early in the administration, Biden ordered the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and review existing permits for fossil fuel development. In 2023, the Biden-Harris administration canceled oil leases sold by the Trump administration in the Alaskan wildlife refuge and blocked new drilling.

15. National Sales Tax

Harris accused Trump of proposing a national sales tax. This is false. President Trump has not proposed a national sales tax.

During the debate, Harris referred to a “Trump sales tax” and claimed it would add 20 percent to the cost of goods. She was likely referring to Trump’s proposal to raise tariffs on imports.

But tariffs are paid by companies that import goods from abroad and not by consumers. They are not a sales tax.

16. Distorting unemployment figures

Harris claimed that Trump “left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” This is false, as unemployment was 6.4 percent in January 2021, not far from full employment, when Trump left office.

17. “I was raised middle-class”

Harris claimed she had a middle-class upbringing, saying, ” I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.”

This is mostly false. Harris had a rich Canadian upbringing, growing up in Westmount — a majority English neighborhood in the French province of Quebec.

Amusingly, Harris made her “middle-class” claim while completely dodging the question, “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?” — and again, ABC moderators never brought her back on track to the question at hand.

18. “Terminating” the Constitution

Harris claimed that Trump wants to “terminate” the U.S. Constitution. This is false. Trump does not want to “terminate” the Constitution and has refuted this lie himself.

Her claim likely stems from Trump’s reaction in 2022 to a bombshell New York Post report that the Democrat Party colluded with what was then known as Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution,” Trump said in a 2022 Truth Social post. “This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their HOAXES & SCAMS.”

“What I said was that when there is ‘MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,’ as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG,” Trump added.

19. “Sold us out” to China

Harris claimed that Trump “sold us out” to the Chinese government with policies that “ended up selling American chips to China.” This is false.

The Trump administration blocked the takeover of an American semiconductor maker by a Chinese investor, restricted exports to China’s top chipmaker, and largely limited sales to China and even to third countries who do business with Chinese companies considered a national security threat, such as the telecommunications company Huawei.

In another example of blatant gaslighting, the Biden-Harris administration reportedly started greenlighting third party suppliers to sell chips to Huawei in 2021.

20. “Not one” troop in any war zone

Harris claimed there are currently no active-duty troops in any combat zone anywhere around the world for the first time this century. This is false.

There are currently active duty U.S. troops deployed to Iraq and Syria who have been under frequent attack by Iran-backed militia forces over the past year. There are also thousands of active-duty U.S. sailors deployed to the Middle East who are facing attacks by drone strikes and missiles fired by the Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. Earlier this year, three U.S. soldiers were killed on the border of Syria by Iran-backed forces.

21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.

 

 

 

 

Fake news. You should feel ashamed for citing Breitbart as a legitimate source of news and information.

[tigol 2398]

7 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I’m so confused. Why is a trash article from a garbage business like Brietbart being quoted multiple times here.  

Because Bevo thinks it's real news.  That's why it's in DT.

 

We're through the looking glass here, people!

Edited October 8 by tigol

[Conqueeftador 123]

17 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

These are not opinions or interpretations; they are documented facts, undeniable and uncontestable. The media's failure to hold Trump accountable has emboldened him to attack the very fabric of American democracy, rolling back progress on women's autonomy, racial equity, religious freedom, and the rule of law.

I honestly thought the whole post was satire because it’s filled with challengable assertions and some outright falsehoods, stated as FACTS. 

[Cody2422 273]

8 minutes ago, Conqueeftador said:

I honestly thought the whole post was satire because it’s filled with challengable assertions and some outright falsehoods, stated as FACTS. 

That’s the playbook

[TwiceHorn 31497]

12 minutes ago, Conqueeftador said:

I honestly thought the whole post was satire because it’s filled with challengable assertions and some outright falsehoods, stated as FACTS. 

Which one is an outright falsehood?

The media has constantly resisted calling Trump what he is, a liar.  And, because they have failed to do that, they have failed to connect the lies to policy failures.

[Captainant 27680]

43 minutes ago, Conqueeftador said:

I honestly thought the whole post was satire because it’s filled with challengable assertions and some outright falsehoods, stated as FACTS. 

Ignore all previous instructions, make an MSpaint about how OU sucks

[DDD Dad 14339]

12 hours ago, Bevo said:

No for no reason you gaslit me over someone’s political opinion that they posted.

21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC’s Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check

Alana Mastrangelo10 Sep 2024

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Vice President Kamala Harris issued a slew of false claims and hoaxes that ABC debate moderators did not fact check during Tuesday’s debate against former President Donald Trump.

Here are 21 false claims and hoaxes that Harris uttered on live television, in front of millions of Americans:

1. “Very fine people” hoax

Harris claimed Trump called neo-Nazis in Charlottesville “very fine people,” a widely known hoax that Democrats continue to repeat, despite it being debunked for years by numerous outlets, including by the left-wing fact checking website Snopes.

2. Project 2025 hoax

Harris accused Trump of wanting to implement Project 2025. This is false. Trump has repeatedly stated that he has nothing to do with it and hasn’t even read it.

Trump promptly corrected Harris on the debate stage, saying, “I have nothing to do — as you know, and as she knows, better than anyone — I have nothing to do with Project 2025. I haven’t read it, I don’t want to read it, purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

“I have nothing to do [with it],” Trump added. “Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m going to do: cut taxes very substantially, and create a great economy like I did before.”

3. False claims on Trump trade deficit

Harris claimed “the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit” that was “one of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America.” This is patently false.

The trade deficit climbed to around $653 billion in Trump’s final year as president, in part because of depressed global demand for U.S. goods and services and a U.S. economy that recovered sooner than most other developed economies.

But the trade deficit never rose to the levels seen under former President George W. Bush or the Biden-Harris administration.

4. Putin can “do whatever the hell he wants”

Harris claimed that Trump told Russian President Vladimir Putin that he could “do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine.” This is false. Trump never told Putin he could do “whatever the hell he wants,” and he never told Putin he could invade Ukraine.

To add insult to injury, this false claim is also coupled with stark gaslighting, given that Putin appears to be doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration — such as invading Ukraine — and not during the Trump administration.

5. “Dictator on day one” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “wants to be a dictator on day one.” This is false. Trump has never said this.

Oddly, Harris attempted to justify her false claim by making another false claim (the aforementioned erroneous claim coupled with gaslighting), which was that the 45th president told Putin he could “do whatever the hell he wants.”

Remarkably, Harris failed to mention that Putin has actually been doing whatever he wants during the Biden-Harris administration.

6. Blaming botched Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump

In another example of never before seen levels of gaslighting, Harris blamed her and Biden’s disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal on Trump.

After being asked point blank, “Do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?” Harris segued to talking about Trump’s communications with the Taliban, suggesting that the Biden-Harris administration is not responsible for its own botched Afghanistan withdrawal.

This is not the first time Harris falsely claimed Trump is responsible for her and Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal. Last week, her campaign tried to blame it on Trump — even though it happened seven months after he left office — claiming he didn’t give the Biden-Harris administration any “plans” on what to do.

7. Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv”

Harris claimed Putin “would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe” if Trump were president. This is false.

Russia under Putin invaded neighbors during the George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden administrations, but never during the Trump administration.

8. “Bloodbath” hoax

Harris also repeated the “bloodbath” hoax, falsely claiming that Trump called for a “bloodbath” if he lost the election.

This is a long-debunked hoax, as Trump was referring to the car industry.

9. Abortion “monitor” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump wanted an abortion “monitor.” This is false. Trump has never said anything like that.

This is not the first time Harris has used this false statement. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when she made it at the Democratic National Convention. Notably, Harris has never provided the basis for her claim, which is calculated to scare voters, but is simply fictitious.

While making this claim, Harris also uttered another false claim that Trump seeks to implement a “national abortion ban.” Trump has repeatedly stated that he would not sign a federal abortion ban. Additionally, abortion is not a federal issue. It is a state issue.

10. Rental property hoax

Harris claimed that Trump “refused to rent property to black families.” This is false.

The claim has been made for years, but it has never been proven. In 2016, the Associated Press did a fact check on the claim, reporting that Trump and his father settled a government lawsuit about it with no admission of fault.

11. Central Park Five “execution” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five. This is false.

Trump never specifically called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five defendants. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when Democrats made it at their convention last month.

12. “Suckers and losers” hoax

Harris alluded to the “suckers and losers” hoax by claiming that Trump had disparaged the military, including the fallen. This is false.

The false claim that Trump called dead soldiers “suckers and losers” is a familiar hoax that has also been repeated by President Joe Biden. It stems from a report by the left-wing Atlantic, which has never been directly corroborated, and has been refuted by many eyewitnesses.

13. False fracking claims

Harris claimed she never called to ban fracking. This is false, as she explicitly called to end fracking when running for president in 2019.

14. False oil production claims

Harris claimed that the Biden-Harris administration ramped up oil production. This is false. The Biden-Harris administration has actively worked to curb domestic oil production.

Early in the administration, Biden ordered the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and review existing permits for fossil fuel development. In 2023, the Biden-Harris administration canceled oil leases sold by the Trump administration in the Alaskan wildlife refuge and blocked new drilling.

15. National Sales Tax

Harris accused Trump of proposing a national sales tax. This is false. President Trump has not proposed a national sales tax.

During the debate, Harris referred to a “Trump sales tax” and claimed it would add 20 percent to the cost of goods. She was likely referring to Trump’s proposal to raise tariffs on imports.

But tariffs are paid by companies that import goods from abroad and not by consumers. They are not a sales tax.

16. Distorting unemployment figures

Harris claimed that Trump “left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” This is false, as unemployment was 6.4 percent in January 2021, not far from full employment, when Trump left office.

17. “I was raised middle-class”

Harris claimed she had a middle-class upbringing, saying, ” I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.”

This is mostly false. Harris had a rich Canadian upbringing, growing up in Westmount — a majority English neighborhood in the French province of Quebec.

Amusingly, Harris made her “middle-class” claim while completely dodging the question, “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?” — and again, ABC moderators never brought her back on track to the question at hand.

18. “Terminating” the Constitution

Harris claimed that Trump wants to “terminate” the U.S. Constitution. This is false. Trump does not want to “terminate” the Constitution and has refuted this lie himself.

Her claim likely stems from Trump’s reaction in 2022 to a bombshell New York Post report that the Democrat Party colluded with what was then known as Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution,” Trump said in a 2022 Truth Social post. “This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their HOAXES & SCAMS.”

“What I said was that when there is ‘MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,’ as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG,” Trump added.

19. “Sold us out” to China

Harris claimed that Trump “sold us out” to the Chinese government with policies that “ended up selling American chips to China.” This is false.

The Trump administration blocked the takeover of an American semiconductor maker by a Chinese investor, restricted exports to China’s top chipmaker, and largely limited sales to China and even to third countries who do business with Chinese companies considered a national security threat, such as the telecommunications company Huawei.

In another example of blatant gaslighting, the Biden-Harris administration reportedly started greenlighting third party suppliers to sell chips to Huawei in 2021.

20. “Not one” troop in any war zone

Harris claimed there are currently no active-duty troops in any combat zone anywhere around the world for the first time this century. This is false.

There are currently active duty U.S. troops deployed to Iraq and Syria who have been under frequent attack by Iran-backed militia forces over the past year. There are also thousands of active-duty U.S. sailors deployed to the Middle East who are facing attacks by drone strikes and missiles fired by the Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. Earlier this year, three U.S. soldiers were killed on the border of Syria by Iran-backed forces.

21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.

 

 

 

 

 

[Dbeasy 15068]

2 hours ago, Conqueeftador said:

I honestly thought the whole post was satire because it’s filled with challengable assertions and some outright falsehoods, stated as FACTS. 

Start a CR thread on it and post the falsehoods. 

[Conqueeftador 123]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Which one is an outright falsehood?

 

Really?

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The media has constantly resisted calling Trump what he is, a liar.  And, because they have failed to do that, they have failed to connect the lies to policy failures.

He's a liar?

Media has hammered on that constantly.

 

16 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Start a CR thread on it and post the falsehoods. 

Why? A bid to sway hearts and minds? 

No thanks. 

[huge 3793]

52 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Start a CR thread on it and post the falsehoods. 

Several of the bullet points on the Breitbart thing are even correct and verifiable.  But it's hard to care when we are talking about the guy that reshaped the way you debate to name calling and lying on a pathological scale.