2020-21 Winter weather; bring it on

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1 minute ago, burntorangebongos said:

I don't think a burst pipe will be able to gush or drip to cause a flood. It is when it is warm enough to thaw that you have to worry about that.  Somebody with  frozen pipe knowledge make sure I'm not lying to this poster.  

If it bursts, it will likely start leaking. I have had two neighbors flood today. It is possible it could break and not leak but I wouldn't rush that. Kill the supply and sort it out later while you are present.

[UTexasFight 9,787]

49 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

1 hour ago, UTexasFight said:

Finished a structure in the backyard a couple of months ago topped with sunbrella fabric. Did not have clearing snow before it melts and turns to a block of ice on the radar as something I’d need to do as part normal maintenance.

Is that stuff fully water repellent? Building a covered pergola as my next project. I want to weatherproof it with some sort of roof. Been looking both at metal and fabric options

Yes, it’s waterproof

I recommend Dismukes Awning

not sure if they cover your area though 

[Knoxtnhorn 6,262]

We're effing freezing and now the GD upstairs shower drain has frozen.  Boiling water to unfreeze it but effing hell shit is freezing within the interior of our house now.

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[CleverNickname 1,345]

China Syndrome? Kidding. Um.... gulp.

[Pato del Muerto 53,329]

CNN crawler just now said there was some snow in Brownsville. 

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Girlfriend has been without power since 2am and managed to get a ride to my place from someone with four-wheel drive. So I’m getting laid tonight, which is nice.

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19 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

 

 

That seems suboptimal 

Edited February 16, 2021 by Pablo

[Captainant 28,381]

Just now, Pablo said:

That seems suboptimal 

Not great, not terrible 

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It’s been down since 0500 this morning

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How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

[Nicole44 22,206]

Power went out 20 minutes ago. No power. No water. Score! Whole neighborhood dark. Awesome. 

[Smax 3,800]

Power went out 20 minutes ago. No power. No water. Score! Whole neighborhood dark. Awesome. 

Same..

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3 minutes ago, Xian said:

How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

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1 hour ago, BradInATX said:

1 hour ago, UTexasFight said:

Finished a structure in the backyard a couple of months ago topped with sunbrella fabric. Did not have clearing snow before it melts and turns to a block of ice on the radar as something I’d need to do as part normal maintenance.

Is that stuff fully water repellent? Building a covered pergola as my next project. I want to weatherproof it with some sort of roof. Been looking both at metal and fabric options

Check out topgal polygal roofing. 

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4 minutes ago, Xian said:

How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

I'm thinking there is a homer Simpson gif somewhere.

[Francisco 2.0 32,542]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/texas-power-grid-crumples-under-the-cold/

 

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Monday morning, as a jet stream brought frigid air south to the central United States, Texas residents found themselves facing rolling blackouts as the statewide grid struggled to meet demand amid a large shortfall in generating capacity. As the day wore on, many saw these blackouts extend for ever longer periods of the day, and grid authorities are expecting problems to extend into at least Tuesday. As of noon local time on Monday, the Southwest Power Pool, which serves areas to the north of Texas, also announced that demand was exceeding generating capacity.

The shortfalls appear to be widespread, affecting everything from wind turbines to nuclear plants. One source of trouble may be an increased competition for natural gas, which is commonly used for heating in the United States.

 

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Texas is unusual in that almost the entire state is part of a single grid that lacks extensive integration with those of the surrounding states. That grid is run by an organization called ERCOT, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, a nonprofit controlled by the state legislature.

According to a statement released today by ERCOT, the grid entered a state of emergency shortly after 1am on Monday, meaning it could no longer guarantee enough power generation to meet customer demands. This is because roughly 30 gigawatts of generation capacity has been forced offline.

While some early reports indicated that frozen wind turbines were causing significant shortfalls, 30GW is roughly equal to the entire state's wind capacity if every turbine is producing all the power it's rated for. Since wind generally tends to produce less during winter, there's no way that the grid operators would have planned for getting 30GW from wind generation; in fact, a chart at ERCOT indicates that wind is producing significantly more than forecast.

Power supplied by wind (green) is coming in ahead of forecasts.

ERCOT

So while having Texas' full wind-generating capacity online would help, the problems with meeting demand appear to lie elsewhere. An ERCOT director told Bloomberg that problems were widespread across generating sources, including coal, natural gas, and even nuclear plants. In the past, severe cold has caused US supplies of natural gas to be constrained, as use in residential heating competes with its use in generating electricity. But that doesn't explain the shortfalls in coal and nuclear, and the ERCOT executive wasn't willing to speculate.

 

With generation failing to meet demand, ERCOT was left with no other option other than to cut off customers' access to power. "About 10,500 MW of customer load was shed at the highest point," as the company put it. In a graph posted on ERCOT's homepage, you can watch a sudden plunge in demand occurring at the time the emergency started, indicating that many customers likely saw their electricity cut off at this point. And at two points in the day since, demand experienced an additional plunge when it threatened to exceed supply, indicating further cuts.

Enlarge / In Texas, electrical demand (green) has had to be cut due to critically constrained supplies (red).

ERCOT

Note that the projected demand for later in the day is far, far higher than the expected supply, indicating that Texas is in for a very difficult evening.

By around noon local time, similar problems had struck the Southwest Power Pool, which serves parts of 14 states to the north of Texas. A statement released on Twitter said that the organization had started relying on reserve energy at 10am local time and ran out of that shortly afterward. (The company's website appears to be down, though whether that's due to power issues or many people checking its status isn't clear.) "This is an unprecedented event and marks the first time Southwest Power Pool has ever had to call for controlled interruptions of service," said the company's CEO.

Authorities will probably need several weeks, if not longer, to fully understand how so much generating capacity was taken offline at what turned out to be a period of critical demand. But the event drives home the fact that balancing supply and demand on the grid has always been a challenge and prone to failure at times of extreme heat and cold. While the variability of renewable supplies will undoubtedly increase the challenge, the growing emphasis on pairing them with storage may ultimately help smooth out some of the problems in the coming decades.

 

 

 

[Captainant 28,381]

The nuke plant going offline (if true) is turbo bad because it literally can’t start up for about 3 days. Gonna be a rough ride

[4th&Five 41,902]

Not to go full CR but the infrastructure of this country is teetering on third world at this point. I’m half drunk, cold af and dramatic but FUCK!

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7 minutes ago, Xian said:

How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

I think some of you guys think power plants operate like a Nigel Tufnel amp.

[Captainant 28,381]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

Not to go full CR but the infrastructure of this country is teetering on third world at this point. I’m half drunk, cold af and dramatic but FUCK!

Didn’t we have like 5000 infrastructure weeks or some shit? /bourbon

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15 minutes ago, Xian said:

How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

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48 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

 

 

Jesus save us.

[BradInATX 9,208]

I spent years at a past job trying to sell South Texas Project some software while they strung me along and never bought, so this hits close to home.

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So ive been reading up on ERCOT. They have tied into other grids in the past (including after ike), anyone know if they are doing that now?? 

from my readings (wiki and texas tribune) it seems in general their decision to avoid buying power from other grids is a political, not technical decision. Apparently when they tie in to others they risk bringing down federal oversight.  
 

i swear to god, if this has been made worse due to them fearing federal oversight. Fucking Charges should fly. Fuckers need to be in jail 

 

edit: Texas tribune article i mentioned above  

Edited February 16, 2021 by Xian

[Brisketexan 106,615]

Not to go full CR but the infrastructure of this country is teetering on third world at this point. I’m half drunk, cold af and dramatic but FUCK!

The dark side of “deregulation.” When all there is is profit....and there’s no profit in building a safety net that won’t get used often...it doesn’t get built. That’s a broad simplification, but decisions were made. And here we are.

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2 minutes ago, Xian said:

So ive been reading up on ERCOT. They have tied into other grids in the past (including after ike), anyone know if they are doing that now?? 

from my readings (wiki and texas tribune) it seems in general their decision to avoid buying power from other grids is a political, not technical decision. Apparently when they tie in to others they risk bringing down federal oversight.  
 

i swear to god, if this has been made worse due to them fearing federal oversight. Fucking Charges should fly. Fuckers need to be in jail 

 

I'll get hypothermia and freeze to death on my couch watching Netflix on my phone before I'll take any welfare electricity from some queer blue state.

[Captainant 28,381]

1 minute ago, Xian said:

So ive been reading up on ERCOT. They have tied into other grids in the past (including after ike), anyone know if they are doing that now?? 

from my readings (wiki and texas tribune) it seems in general their decision to avoid buying power from other grids is a political, not technical decision. Apparently when they tie in to others they risk bringing down federal oversight.  
 

i swear to god, if this has been made worse due to them fearing federal oversight. Fucking Charges should fly. Fuckers need to be in jail 

Well when has avoiding regulation ever led to rolling, unnecessary blackouts?? 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

The dark side of “deregulation.” When all there is is profit....and there’s no profit in building a safety net that won’t get used often...it doesn’t get built. That’s a broad simplification, but decisions were made. And here we are.

Well I don’t like these decisions and I would like to speak to the manager.  We have had rolling blackouts all day and the blackouts are getting way longer (hour and a half) compared to the time we have power (30 minutes).  It may have been noted in the thread already but what is up with my cell phones not working either.  When the power goes out and the WiFi is gone I can’t use my Verizon or AT&T LTE data because those aren’t working either.  

[4th&Five 41,902]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The dark side of “deregulation.” When all there is is profit....and there’s no profit in building a safety net that won’t get used often...it doesn’t get built. That’s a broad simplification, but decisions were made. And here we are.

This is what is making the wife and I ragey. There will be no fallout or consequences or improvements even if 2,000 olds are dead in the morning. 

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Team Turned the Water Off at the Meter checking in.  Maybe chili wasn’t the best idea for dinner last night. 

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Just now, Captainant said:

Well when has avoiding regulation ever led to rolling, unnecessary blackouts?? 

Because we could be buying power from other states, but cant because assholes dont want to lose their own personal fiefdom to federal oversight.

i linked the TT article in my edit 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I might also guess that the temperature affected the steady state operation of those plants in unanticipated ways, requiring that they be taken offline which may explain why things didn't take a dump until 1AM.

Probably a lot of pipes and cooling stuff that is struggling.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3,555]

Power went out 20 minutes ago. No power. No water. Score! Whole neighborhood dark. Awesome. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Texas is finding out why private prisons are a bad idea, except instead of a bunch of dope smokers getting screwed with stupid ass jail time it’s the whole state gets to freeze to death. 

[DaysOff 8,157]

Power went out 20 minutes ago. No power. No water. Score! Whole neighborhood dark. Awesome. 

First time?

Hour 26 and counting. Pool and pipes probably proper fucked. Fuck all these incompetent reactive assholes.

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1 hour ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

Found out late this afternoon that our barndomonium had power and internet so we

It was BARNDOMONIUM!!

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1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I live on S. Lamar and power has been out since about 2 AM. What’s annoying is I can see the neighborhood right behind us on Manchac all lit up. Just right there. They must be on the circuit that has St. David’s South. 

1 hour ago, Dewey said:

I guess when the temperature gets back to around 70, they'll turn the power back on, assholes. 

"When Austin Energy tells you to conserve power when you haven’t had power since 2am"

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10 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

This is what is making the wife and I ragey. There will be no fallout or consequences or improvements even if 2,000 olds are dead in the morning. 

We have to start holding people accountable.

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Good to see #ERCOT is trending on twitter.

https://twitter.com/search?q=ERCOT

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by atomheartbevo

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43 minutes ago, Xian said:

How the fuck does our nuclear plant go down. 

overheating...

 

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16 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

This is what is making the wife and I ragey. There will be no fallout or consequences or improvements even if 2,000 olds are dead in the morning. 

It’s impossible to predict. I hope it is far far less but a third of the city is without power and it’s gonna get down to 5 degrees. Not good.

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1 hour ago, Dewey said:

I guess when the temperature gets back to around 70, they'll turn the power back on, assholes. 

Maybe Robin Hood owns Ercot.

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What a colossal fuckup.

 

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We have to start holding people accountable.

LOL. There will be a few days of political bluster. Then the insurance claims will start rolling in and they will be pissed as hell and in turn go to their friends in Austin who will then help them take it out on us. The circle of life will be complete while everybody argues about whether Hollywood Dumbshit Model 8208 should have been canceled or not over some tweet.

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Team Turned the Water Off at the Meter checking in.  Maybe chili wasn’t the best idea for dinner last night. 

Could be a thawing mechanism if you place it in the right locations