2020-21 Winter weather; bring it on

[El Diablo 4232]

Looks like the shit has cleared the I-35 corridor, east Texas the anus is upon you. Temps are still gonna suck for a few more days though. Stay warm and stay Surly. 

[ChickenSandwich 9832]

11 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I’m currently averaging 48 hours off, zero on 

Same. No hot water either. 

[TwiceHorn 31449]

The ercot graph looks horrible for today with forecast demand way exceeding supply. But their demand forecasting has been way off for about 12-18 hours. 

One morbid aspect is that ice related power failures are going to reduce demand. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

apparently, the mayor of Colorado City posted this...and then resigned.

 

whose lazy?

[Message Board User 12395]

"doing a hell of a job there Brownie"

 

[Shaddie 1651]

14 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

 

Rumor floating around here that our power outage isn't grid-related but mechanical.  Hoo boy of that's true, we'll see.

 

It’s not a rumor. NG plants went down due to shortage of gas and also pumping stations to get them gas froze up. Other plants are having mechanical problems cause they don’t pay to upkeep in normal low usage months. 
 

Lots of people blame ercot but they can only distribute what they get from suppliers. 
 

Problem is when we deregulated there is no incentive (good or bad) for generating plants to be ready. 

[Trey3216 15346]

7 minutes ago, slorch said:

whose lazy?

Your

[texhorn 351]

The ercot graph looks horrible for today with forecast demand way exceeding supply. But their demand forecasting has been way off for about 12-18 hours. 
One morbid aspect is that ice related power failures are going to reduce demand. 

Yeah stop watching the forecast lines. They’re meaningless. Capacity will be horizontal and demand will be kept below that.

[Okie State 3818]

I only lost power on Friday and Saturday and after that I’ve been very lucky. 
My problem, and actually benefit, is the upstairs bathroom lines are in locations that don’t get the benefit of the warmth of the house but if they do break, which they just did, don’t really flood the house either.  The rest of my lines have held up due to still having power now. 

This is happening all over. Nearly every break I've heard of, including my wife's parents, has been in an attic over a garage.

[LABEVO 928]

raining ice in central austin. i expect more power outages. 

this shit sucks 

[Hpara759 1778]

29 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I’m currently averaging 48 hours off, zero on 

Ditto

[TwiceHorn 31449]

3 minutes ago, texhorn said:

Yeah stop watching the forecast lines. They’re meaningless. Capacity will be horizontal and demand will be kept below that.

Back on.  I'm not sure how long we were off.  I think about three hours. 

I assume that on the graph the past demand is fairly accurate? 

[phdhorn 6224]

12 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

It’s not a rumor. NG plants went down due to shortage of gas and also pumping stations to get them gas froze up. Other plants are having mechanical problems cause they don’t pay to upkeep in normal low usage months. 
 

Lots of people blame ercot but they can only distribute what they get from suppliers. 
 

Problem is when we deregulated there is no incentive (good or bad) for generating plants to be ready. 

Sorry, but this isn't really at all what I was saying. I'm trying to find out whether a power line is down or they purposely switch this off. I've written our mayor and city manager to find out.

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

While not as bad as no electricity, the lack of water is Houston is disturbing. Perhaps it’s related to burst pipes using up the pressure but I assume the majority is due to electricity issues.

We need to find ways to not be dependent on the state when they cannot do their job.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

While not as bad as no electricity, the lack of water is Houston is disturbing. Perhaps it’s related to burst pipes using up the pressure but I assume the majority is due to electricity issues.

We need to find ways to not be dependent on the state when they cannot do their job.

They?

They is us.

[MissingInAction 25036]

Mine went out around 4 am. Meanwhile the empty buildings across the street are lit up like vegas.

[Nivek 16923]

77018 (Oak Forest) lost power for the first time at about 2:30 AM. Water is a trickle still. Good thing we have a boil water advisory, oh wait...

[Armybrat 40832]

19 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

Sorry, but this isn't really at all what I was saying. I'm trying to find out whether a power line is down or they purposely switch this off. I've written our mayor and city manager to find out.

Sternly, of course?

[South Austin 52463]

Power went out in Brentwood at 4:00 a.m.

[SubliminalHorn 6786]

Power came back on last night around 11:15 for about 15 seconds. So that was nice. 

[billfromlaketravis 11456]

My power appears to be back on in Houston - Memorial. I believe it came back on at about 4 am, but I've been warned of rolling black outs. So fingers crossed, and knock on wood. 

Thanks to the Minnesota poster upthread that suggested a Mr. Heater indoor space heater. It won't help much this go around, but I'll be ready next time. In the mean time, I'll use it stay warm on my back porch. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

54 hours without power. We have adapted to sleeping by the fire but a strong sense of hate has emerged for the state. 

[BradInATX 9208]

25 minutes ago, slorch said:

They?

They is us.

Most of us are too smart for government work.

[BradInATX 9208]

So what is the supply chain going to look like for the next week or so once we thaw out this weekend? Are things like groceries, PVC pipe, etc. just going to be turbofucked for a few weeks until things catch back up? 

[texhorn 351]

Switched back from team drip to team wrap. City lost water overnight and not even a drop this morning. I’m just praying all my exterior lines, which were on drip, emptied first.

[Message Board User 12395]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

54 hours without power. We have adapted to sleeping by the fire but a strong sense of hate has emerged for the state. 

Damn.

[DaysOff 7947]

They?
They is us.

Anyone surprised Slorch is the mayor of Colorado City?

[Captainant 27653]

Checking in for 24hrs of no power and about 20 hours of no water in Spring Branch

[SubliminalHorn 6786]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

54 hours without power. We have adapted to sleeping by the fire but a strong sense of hate has emerged for the state. 

54 hours for us too. Spirits are pretty low in the house and it’s getting fucking cold. Wish I had a fireplace 🙁

[MissingInAction 25036]

8 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Most of us are too smart for government work.

Been working in various levels of gubment for 15 years. 1 in 10 employees actually gives a shit and tries to make a difference. 4 in ten were once that way but the system has beaten them into submission. The last half have always been worthless and should be used for shark chum.

Edited February 17, 2021 by MissingInAction

[TonyTexas 10510]

You knew ERCOT was going to find someone else to blame. 
 

Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said that the primarily cause of the outages on Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

[TwiceHorn 31449]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

54 hours for us too. Spirits are pretty low in the house and it’s getting fucking cold. Wish I had a fireplace 🙁

If you have a gas stove, someone mentioned boiling pots of water and carrying them to various rooms.  Just putting it on the floor between your feet helps.

[BradInATX 9208]

Just now, TonyTexas said:

You knew ERCOT was going to find someone else to blame. 
 

Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said that the primarily cause of the outages on Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

You got a link for that? Need to bookmark it for some stupid people I know.

[TwiceHorn 31449]

Just now, TonyTexas said:

You knew ERCOT was going to find someone else to blame. 
 

Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said that the primarily cause of the outages on Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

Pretty sure that's completely legit.  The major failure here, besides the structure of the market, is the generators.

[MissingInAction 25036]

Just now, TonyTexas said:

You knew ERCOT was going to find someone else to blame. 
 

Officials for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, which manages most of Texas’ grid, said that the primarily cause of the outages on Tuesday appeared to be the state’s natural gas providers. Many are not designed to withstand such low temperatures on equipment or during production.

Got a link? I need something to send all the dipshits blaming green energy and demanding coal plants on every street corner.

[Dewey 3286]

Water collection now happening, 5 gallon bucket collecting water so I can flush a turd

[immamac 42839]

So ERCOT only sets demand prediction and doesn't have any power on the generation side like they do on the grid/transmission side? They were the ones making the calls on blackouts on the grid. They can't order plants back online?

What are the penalties if Austin Energy just says lolfuckoff when they ask? Are those penalties less severe than generators not generating when directed? 

I get physical line failure is on its own here.

[phdhorn 6224]

52 degrees in the old hacienda this morning. At least we're not yet in the 40s!

Hauling in 5 gal. buckets of snow to put in a tub to help our toilets not have us condemned by the city of Bee Cave.

But hey, now I have something else for my schedule today besides sitting in my car charging. Such a full life!

Oh, and thankfully they started that thread for discussing the politics and blame, but on this one, **everybody** involved in infrastructure shares blame Everybody. If you don't start from that premise, you're wrong.

Edited February 17, 2021 by phdhorn

[TwiceHorn 31449]

10 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Got a link? I need something to send all the dipshits blaming green energy and demanding coal plants on every street corner.

Post 4015 explains the failure as well as anything.  I think coal capacity suffers from some of the same problems.

There have been several articles explaining that by and large, wind and solar have produced within expectations.  Fundamentally, unlike turbogenerated power (gas, coal, nuclear), they don't have a lot of ability to ramp up power.

Edited February 17, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Reynolds Woodcock 4739]

Wife and I decided to escape the New York City winter this year to have an extended visit with our parents in Tyler during January and February. What a treat! 
 

Got indefinite power back (fingers crossed) last night after 48 hours of 45 minute power bursts every 8 hours or so. But woke up to zero water. Fun times

[Post Oak 20209]

Nearing 60 hours without power.  I want some scalps

[TwiceHorn 31449]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

So ERCOT only sets demand prediction and doesn't have any power on the generation side like they do on the grid/transmission side? They were the ones making the calls on blackouts on the grid. They can't order plants back online?

What are the penalties if Austin Energy just says lolfuckoff when they ask? Are those penalties less severe than generators not generating when directed? 

I get physical line failure is on its own here.

I believe that is correct.  From the article at post 4015:

Quote

Rewind time a decade ago, and the headline from the Texas State Senate was clear: "Lack of winterization led to blackouts."

 

At power plants across the state, this 350-page report concluded cold-weather preps were "either inadequate or not adequately followed.”

Fast forward to present day, and little has changed.

“This was a failure from the get go,” UH Energy Professor Ed Hirs said. "It's exactly what happened in 2011, the summertime generators were not available to come online. They haven't been winterized. They haven't been in hot oil. They haven't had antifreeze.”

Why? Hirs and others say no state law was passed making winterization requirements mandatory. Instead, ERCOT, which manages the state power grid, made "recommended steps to prepare generators for extreme weather."

Texas' market is not vertically integrated.  You have ERCOT, which controls interconnection between local and regional grids, which are maintained and operated by entitles like Oncor and Centerpoint and Austin Energy.  Then you have the power generators.  Then you have the retail and wholesale energy sellers.

No one has direct control over anyone else.

Edited February 17, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[drt 638]

59 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

apparently, the mayor of Colorado City posted this...and then resigned.

 

I'm so confused.  Is he advocating for the widespread adoption of PV/wind/geothermal generation at individual residential/commercial locations, coupled with individual energy storage capacity to provide for a widespread load dampening effect?  Coupled with individual water harvesting and storage?  Or something along the lines of 

Also, parish.

[TonyTexas 10510]

7 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Got a link? I need something to send all the dipshits blaming green energy and demanding coal plants on every street corner.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2021/02/16/texas-largely-relies-on-natural-gas-for-power-it-wasnt-ready-for-the-extreme-cold/

[WBT 20561]

2 minutes ago, drt said:

Also, parish.

The goddamn Louisianans got nothing to do with it

[Nicole44 22059]

Never Ending Blackout (and Rollouts for Some)... (from the song lyrics of Never Ending Story and sung/read to same tune)

“Look around, ice and snow is all u see(eeeeee). No power or water, you’re living the fucking dream (eeeeemm).

Lots of lies and ERCOT mass fuckery. Their poor planning and lame excuses will live on in infamy (eeee).

Citizens stressing out due to lack of heat. What fucking grid am I on? What about my plumbing? (ing)

Local anchors don’t know shit, they are as freaked out as me. And with more of the white shit raining down is there an ending to the never ending blackout (and rollouts for some)? Never ending black out. And rollouts all night long.

They want us to think, our selfishness killed their stupid grid. from the Panhandle down to Brownsville from El Paso to the Gulf, it’s all our asshole faults. Hey ERCOT go fuck yourselves—you fucked around and you’ll find out. 
 

So what lessons have been learned in this state of vast energy (eeeeee). That I will have an $1000 electric bill and state/local  leaders are deflecting the blame to me. Hey you mother fuckers go take a whore’s bath in your sink and may the wrath of millions of Texans be your never ending legacy. (Eeeeee) Fuck you in perpetuity! (Eeee) bunch of fucking fuckwits! Come and fight meeeeee!”
 

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Sorry. I’m getting snippy. Lulz. I have it way better than some so I can’t complain too much. But a crackhead could do better with these rollouts or whatever the fuck is happening. 
 

Hope everyone is doing ok this morning. I hope those going on 30 plus hours without power will take up people on the offers for a shower or even just a hot meal or some warmth. So sorry my fellow Surlies are suffering like this and then on top of which we are made to feel like it’s our fucking fault. ❤️💕❤️ Love you guys. Hang in there. 

[Hefeweizen 5311]

Anyone have a plumber rec who isn't backed up for the next year?  I had copper hot water and cold water pipes finally burst this morning even though they were insulated, in an insulated crawl space, and I dripped faucets.  It just got too cold for them - they are probably 40 years old now.  I have called all the usual suspects for emergency service and no luck yet.

 

I shut the water at the street so fast it would make your head spin.  There is a lot of water in that pipe between the street and the house though.

[CleverNickname 1308]

I'm not sure if this fucked up situation means all those EMP survivalist thrillers I've read are silly because the truth is sadly far more mundane, or more terrifying than ever.