Dallas Cowboys 2020 Regular Season Thread: Finally No More Garrett!

[Drew 2331]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

C'mon man... Roster is fucked up, money is over-committed to the wrong players/positions, and DAK is NOT the long-term answer at QB.  Looking more closely at the roster and most will conclude there are way too many holes to fix by adding the few draft picks they'll receive from trading a Top 3-5 First Rd Pick.

 

When you say "Dak is NOT the long term answer at QB" it basically invalidates everything you're saying IMO.  Yes you can debate him all you want, but if you're still saying he's just "not good enough" than I'm not sure you have any clue what you're talking about.

 

They need to retool the defense and start looking at he OL.  If they're healthy next year with a new DC they're probably the best team in the East, easily(I know not saying much) and competing.  Ya'll are letting a really bad start thanks to some crazy situations and devastating injuries make you believe that this team is the Jags or Jets.  They're not.

Edited November 10, 2020 by Drew

[LTtxfan 49011]

In 2021, Cowboys may have to consider a strategy of just grin and bear getting through the terrible contracts of Zeke and Jaylon.  But it may not be quite as painful to unload Jaylon's contract early according to this...

 

Dallas Cowboys: Jaylon Smith is more expendable than you think -- Jaylon Smith is severely disappointing and if the Dallas Cowboys opt to move on, his contract offers some early ‘outs’.

Jaylon Smith’s Contract

Complicating matters is Jaylon Smith’s contract situation. Only four weeks into a what amounts to a five-year extension, Smith isn’t as expendable as many wished he was. But looking at the details at Over The Cap, he’s also not as uncuttable as many of us think, either. 

With a cap cost of $7.771 million this year, Jaylon’s dead money impact would balloon to $23.971 million if cut today. That’s too big to digest. But next season things clear up a bit and cutting Smith would actually offer a $400,000 savings (that’s with $9.4M in dead money).

After the 2021 season, cutting him saves a whopping $5M! In other words, if Dallas wants to move on this winter they could cut him if they were open to eating his 2021 salary. And there’s virtually no reason to keep him beyond the 2021 season unless he significantly changes course. So the Dallas Cowboys aren’t quite as “stuck” as they seem.

It’s likely Jaylon Smith has only a couple weeks until both LVE and Lee make their way back. If he’s still playing as poorly then, chances are good he’s going to start losing snaps. And with those lost snaps go his opportunity to prove he’s worth the enormous sums of money he’s getting paid and could spell doom for his future with the Dallas Cowboys beyond the season.  It’s time for Jaylon Smith is put up or shut up because the clock is running on his future with the team and even with a multi-year deal in place, Jaylon is expendable as soon as next year.

https://sportdfw.com/2020/10/06/dallas-cowboys-jaylon-smith-is-more-expendable-than-you-think/

[LTtxfan 49011]

1 hour ago, Drew said:

When you say "Dak is NOT the long term answer at QB" it basically invalidates everything you're saying IMO.  Yes you can debate him all you want, but if you're still saying he's just "not good enough" than I'm not sure you have any clue what you're talking about.  They need to retool the defense and start looking at he OL.  If they're healthy next year with a new DC they're probably the best team in the East, easily(I know not saying much) and competing.  Ya'll are letting a really bad start thanks to some crazy situations and devastating injuries make you believe that this team is the Jags or Jets.  They're not.

Hey thanks for the good discussion.  I like Dak, but imo the roster/money situation for the Cowboys no longer matches up with keeping Dak.  That's why I said that "DAK is NOT the long-term answer at QB."   

The Cowboys have problems at every level on Defense -- DL, LB, CB and Safety.  The OL is getting older and worse with some expecting Tyrone to retire after 2020, so keeping a higher compensated QB like Dak when you can't protect him is wasted money.  This current roster is too far away from any shot at at the Super Bowl to currently sink $40M/yr into the QB position for the next 4yrs.  It's time to get the Roster/Salary Cap back in order over the next couple of years if Dallas is serious about getting back to a Super Bowl anytime soon...

 

Btw... if handled properly the Salary Cap can improve a lot by 2023.

Zeke will probably be released after 2021 to save money on his terrible contract. "That (terrible)contract means that the Cowboys have to ride with him through at least 2021. After that, the team needs to take a very hard look at just how long they keep him. In 2022, although he still has a big $4.1 million dead money hit, releasing him as a post June 1 cut would save them $12.4 million in cap space, per Over the Cap."

Jaylon might be cut earlier than some might think to save money too, but the salary cap hit over the next year or two will be painful .  ( In 2021, if Dallas releases Smith as a June 1st cap casualty, they will save $7.2 million in 2021 cap space and give themselves $6.8 million of dead money on 2022’s cap.)

After this season, the Cowboys will probably lose Gallup to free agency just like they lost Byron Jones.

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by LTtxfan

[Vic Mackey 46937]

Is this good OL play?

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Vic Mackey

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

In 2021, Cowboys may have to consider a strategy of just grin and bear getting through the terrible contracts of Zeke and Jaylon.  But it may not be quite as painful to unload Jaylon's contract early according to this...

 

Dallas Cowboys: Jaylon Smith is more expendable than you think -- Jaylon Smith is severely disappointing and if the Dallas Cowboys opt to move on, his contract offers some early ‘outs’.

Jaylon Smith’s Contract

Complicating matters is Jaylon Smith’s contract situation. Only four weeks into a what amounts to a five-year extension, Smith isn’t as expendable as many wished he was. But looking at the details at Over The Cap, he’s also not as uncuttable as many of us think, either. 

With a cap cost of $7.771 million this year, Jaylon’s dead money impact would balloon to $23.971 million if cut today. That’s too big to digest. But next season things clear up a bit and cutting Smith would actually offer a $400,000 savings (that’s with $9.4M in dead money).

After the 2021 season, cutting him saves a whopping $5M! In other words, if Dallas wants to move on this winter they could cut him if they were open to eating his 2021 salary. And there’s virtually no reason to keep him beyond the 2021 season unless he significantly changes course. So the Dallas Cowboys aren’t quite as “stuck” as they seem.

It’s likely Jaylon Smith has only a couple weeks until both LVE and Lee make their way back. If he’s still playing as poorly then, chances are good he’s going to start losing snaps. And with those lost snaps go his opportunity to prove he’s worth the enormous sums of money he’s getting paid and could spell doom for his future with the Dallas Cowboys beyond the season.  It’s time for Jaylon Smith is put up or shut up because the clock is running on his future with the team and even with a multi-year deal in place, Jaylon is expendable as soon as next year.

https://sportdfw.com/2020/10/06/dallas-cowboys-jaylon-smith-is-more-expendable-than-you-think/

This doesn't explore a cut before the 5th day of the 2021 "NFL season" and designating it a post-June 1st cut (7.2 million saved), which would give them more money post June 2nd in the 2021 year to use for extensions or summer UFA on the cheap (like they did with Everson Griffin) or rolling over to the 2022 season.  The issue, is the acceleration of the guarantees in the contract, which would be about 6.8 million punted in 2022.  With 7.2 million saved in 2021- 6.8 million in dead cap in 2022.

So there's a lot to take in here.  COVID is probably going to depress the cap acceleration.  The NFL will probably do something like the NBA did by marginally increasing the cap for signing purposes while escrowing a percentage for expected drop in revenues.  The hope is for the 2021 season, COVID is dealt with, and capacities are back to 100% allowing revenues to get more in line with 2022 projections and bigger salary cap increase.  There also is the Dak situation which is the big decision in what you give him and how you build it.  Tagging him again would be hilariously stupid considering where the Cowboys are headed.  Either sign him L-T or trade him and take a QB with your top 5 pick.  There's no accounting for when you have the opportunity again. 

Regardless, with the Jones stooges showing their hand, they want to wrap up the Dak contract before the 2021 NFL season begins (usually March) so they know how much money they have in each of the next 3 years and how the cash flow builds out.  In simplistic terms, Dallas should cut Smith if he doesn't play better the rest of the year.  How they designate his cut will depend on whether they want to take a cap hit on Jaylon in 2021 or 2022 because of Dak's situation. 

Here's a good article on it.  Regardless, Jaylon hasn't played up to his contract and unless he totally balls out this last half of the season, he's probably not going to play to it's future value either.  Can the Jones' admit their colossal mistake and cut him and move on?  My fear is they like him so much, they try to keep him on a reduced contract and salary.  Basically seeing if he'll play on a salary cut.  A signal they're trying to do this would be if they negotiate backing up his 2021 salary guarantee which goes into effect on the 5th day of the NFL season.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/lists/dallas-cowboys-jaylon-smith-contract-potential-release-dead-money-salary-cap/

Edited November 11, 2020 by Patrick Bateman

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

How has Jaylon not at least been benched yet? He's terrible- so good for tanking but I'm sure our coaches are actually trying to win. 

Connor Williams is also a bum. He can stick around as a backup beyond this year. 

[DougO 5239]

Move Blake Bell to right tackle. What is there to lose?

[futureman 22420]

3 minutes ago, DougO said:

Move Blake Bell to right tackle. What is there to lose?

that would be a poor personnel move.  you lack a fundamental understanding of the game.  just snap your photos and keep your mouth shut. 

[DougO 5239]

7 minutes ago, futureman said:

that would be a poor personnel move.  you lack a fundamental understanding of the game.  just snap your photos and keep your mouth shut. 

I thought you were in favor of poor personnel moves?

[futureman 22420]

Just now, DougO said:

I thought you were in favor of poor personnel moves?

I’m in favor of brilliant personnel moves, including but not limited to offering dak a qualifying offer and then telling him suck eggs. 

[WinningIsHard 4018]

57 minutes ago, futureman said:

I’m in favor of brilliant personnel moves, including but not limited to offering dak a qualifying offer and then telling him suck eggs. 

Who do they trot out at QB next year if they tell Dak to fuck off or the year after if they franchise tag him again? 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Think Dak haters should hope he gets franchised tagged again ala Kirk Cousins on the Skins.

Maybe we can draft the next Dwayne Haskins!

I don't love Dak but I think he's a fringe top 10 QB. Is that worth 40 million a year? Probably not. Would have to hit on hall of famers in the draft for a couple years in a row and benefit on them being underpaid. 

[futureman 22420]

4 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Who do they trot out at QB next year if they tell Dak to fuck off or the year after if they franchise tag him again? 

do you even watch the games?  gilbert looked better than dak last week.  there will be many available free agent quarterbacks who can run the offense more effectively than dak and for a fraction of the price, which is important because of the zeke and jaylon contracts.

kyle allen will be available.  he’s better than dak.  
trubisky will be available.  he destroyed dak on national television. 
rivers and fitzmagic will both be available.  a little longer in the tooth but good bridges to the future if you wanna grab a kid in the draft.  and they’re both better than dak. 
cj beathard and nick mullens will be available.  they are light years ahead of that dipshit from mississippi state. 

[futureman 22420]

sadly my wisdom is wasted on you surly dipshits because the dynamic duo of jerry and stephen will cave at the last minute and give dak 4 years at $45MM per.  and we’ll continue to suck ass until jerry is dead.  which he kinda deserves so I guess I’m good with it.  the chiefs are the original dallas franchise anyway and they have a real quarterback who isn’t a moron.

[WinningIsHard 4018]

2 minutes ago, futureman said:

do you even watch the games?  gilbert looked better than dak last week.  there will be many available free agent quarterbacks who can run the offense more effectively than dak and for a fraction of the price, which is important because of the zeke and jaylon contracts.

kyle allen will be available.  he’s better than dak.  
trubisky will be available.  he destroyed dak on national television. 
rivers and fitzmagic will both be available.  a little longer in the tooth but good bridges to the future if you wanna grab a kid in the draft.  and they’re both better than dak. 
cj beathard and nick mullens will be available.  they are light years ahead of that dipshit from mississippi state. 

Kyle Allen has 4K yards passing in 3 seasons, and also broke his ankle. Let’s start the checklist of how fucking stupid you can be, bar is set real high so far. Trubisky has now been beat out by nick foles and couldn’t find a way to win with one of the nfl’s better defenses. You found a way to ratchet it up. Philip rivers and Fitzpatrick don’t even get a fucking response. Lulz. Mullins has 5 td’s in 4 games with shanahan having a large say in offensive game plan. Dak is a good QB with an atrocious history of fucking idiots calling plays for him. Do stats lie all the sudden? Is he going to win a bunch of Super Bowls? Probably not but that shit won’t be all his fault. Aaron fucking Rodgers has 1 ring man. 

[futureman 22420]

14 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Kyle Allen has 4K yards passing in 3 seasons, and also broke his ankle. Let’s start the checklist of how fucking stupid you can be, bar is set real high so far. Trubisky has now been beat out by nick foles and couldn’t find a way to win with one of the nfl’s better defenses. You found a way to ratchet it up. Philip rivers and Fitzpatrick don’t even get a fucking response. Lulz. Mullins has 5 td’s in 4 games with shanahan having a large say in offensive game plan. Dak is a good QB with an atrocious history of fucking idiots calling plays for him. Do stats lie all the sudden? Is he going to win a bunch of Super Bowls? Probably not but that shit won’t be all his fault. Aaron fucking Rodgers has 1 ring man. 

all your arguments are shit and you sound retarded.  dak is 9-11 in his last 20 starts.  my swollen hemorrhoid has a higher IQ than you. 

[WinningIsHard 4018]

2 minutes ago, futureman said:

all your arguments are shit and you sound retarded.  dak is 9-11 in his last 20 starts.  my swollen hemorrhoid has a higher IQ than you. 

How’s Jason garret doing with the giants offense? They setting the league on fire? You’re a longhorn fan. If you don’t think shitty coaching can fuck up good players then you’re kidding yourself. Despite really really really shitty coaching Dak put up impressive numbers. This shit doesn’t require the high iq of your hemorrhoids fuck face. A better coached team wouldn’t need their qb to win games when they have zeke and a good o-line but we pissed that away. Mike Tomlin with Dak would win a super bowl dumb ass. 

[futureman 22420]

3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

How’s Jason garret doing with the giants offense? They setting the league on fire? You’re a longhorn fan. If you don’t think shitty coaching can fuck up good players then you’re kidding yourself. Despite really really really shitty coaching Dak put up impressive numbers. This shit doesn’t require the high iq of your hemorrhoids fuck face. A better coached team wouldn’t need their qb to win games when they have zeke and a good o-line but we pissed that away. Mike Tomlin with Dak would win a super bowl dumb ass. 

this is the penultimate post of this thread. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

5 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Jaylon is about to be #1 on all time hated cowboys players lol

Edited November 11, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Fuck Jaylon Smith

Our owners are so fucking stupid its painful. Zeke and Jaylon the bum you locked up longterm. Really?!?

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

The Steelers told Leveon Bell to go fuck himself.

That's what you do with running backs holding out. 

[Trey3216 15325]

13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Hey thanks for the good discussion.  I like Dak, but imo the roster/money situation for the Cowboys no longer matches up with keeping Dak.  That's why I said that "DAK is NOT the long-term answer at QB."   

The Cowboys have problems at every level on Defense -- DL, LB, CB and Safety.  The OL is getting older and worse with some expecting Tyrone to retire after 2020, so keeping a higher compensated QB like Dak when you can't protect him is wasted money.  This current roster is too far away from any shot at at the Super Bowl to currently sink $40M/yr into the QB position for the next 4yrs.  It's time to get the Roster/Salary Cap back in order over the next couple of years if Dallas is serious about getting back to a Super Bowl anytime soon...

 

Btw... if handled properly the Salary Cap can improve a lot by 2023.

Zeke will probably be released after 2021 to save money on his terrible contract. "That (terrible)contract means that the Cowboys have to ride with him through at least 2021. After that, the team needs to take a very hard look at just how long they keep him. In 2022, although he still has a big $4.1 million dead money hit, releasing him as a post June 1 cut would save them $12.4 million in cap space, per Over the Cap."

Jaylon might be cut earlier than some might think to save money too, but the salary cap hit over the next year or two will be painful .  ( In 2021, if Dallas releases Smith as a June 1st cap casualty, they will save $7.2 million in 2021 cap space and give themselves $6.8 million of dead money on 2022’s cap.)

After this season, the Cowboys will probably lose Gallup to free agency just like they lost Byron Jones.

 

Gallup isn’t a free agent until after 2021 

[TornACL 7685]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

Gallup isn’t a free agent until after 2021 

Gallup is absolutely someone you let walk. Nothing against him, but let Jacksonville overpay him and wish him well. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

32 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Gallup is absolutely someone you let walk. Nothing against him, but let Jacksonville overpay him and wish him well. 

At this rate we are going to feature Gallup enough to where he’d get overpaid by anyone. 

[futureman 22420]

56 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Gallup is absolutely someone you let walk. Nothing against him, but let Jacksonville overpay him and wish him well. 

fuck off letting him walk.  you dump him at the trade deadline next year

[LTtxfan 49011]

2 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Gallup isn’t a free agent until after 2021 

Thanks for the correction... article that I read had an error.

[TornACL 7685]

8 minutes ago, futureman said:

fuck off letting him walk.  you dump him at the trade deadline next year

Well yes, that works. 

[LTtxfan 49011]

Well this really helps with contract negotiations...             /s

By Dave Halprin  Nov 10, 2020

Jones family leaves no doubt that Dak Prescott is their quarterback of the future, regardless of draft position

The Cowboys are knocking down any draft notions of a quarterback.

Quote

As the Dallas Cowboys continue to descend in the wins column, they are ascending in another column. The Cowboys have now slid into the third overall draft pick as things stand today. That is a lot of draft capital, and opinions about how they may use it are already being bandied about.

When you are that high in the draft, attention always turns toward quarterbacks. Right now, players like Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields are likely going to be there are the top of the first round, and that has some asking whether the Cowboys might go in that direction. With Dak Prescott scheduled to be a free agent when the 2020 season is over, there is some open territory as to what might come. Especially with Prescott recovering from a gruesome injury.

If you think Stephen or Jerry Jones are thing about drafting a quarterback, think again. Yesterday Stephen Jones said Prescott is their guy.

His father, Jerry, backed that up today when he said it was crazy to think the Cowboys will draft a quarterback.

Jones was asked Tuesday morning on Shan and RJ if “it’s crazy” to bring up the idea of taking a quarterback with a high first-round pick?

“Yes, you ask me if it’s crazy to bring the idea up? And I’ve answered it, yes. It’s not the thing to be talking about at all. Dak is our quarterback.”

The Cowboys do have control over Prescott for the 2021 season if they choose, even if it will cost them an arm and a leg with a second franchise tag. Obviously, that’s not the way either side would want to go as they would like to reach terms on a long-term deal that would keep Prescott in Dallas through his prime years.

Of course, there is a long way to go before the time comes for the 2021 draft. So many things can happen between now and then, but if you believe the Joneses, it won’t be Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields under center for the Cowboys - it will be Dak Prescott.

 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2020/11/10/21559086/jones-family-leaves-no-doubt-dak-prescott-is-quarterback-of-the-future-regardless-of-draft-position

Edited November 11, 2020 by LTtxfan

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

How has Jaylon not at least been benched yet? He's terrible- so good for tanking but I'm sure our coaches are actually trying to win. 

Connor Williams is also a bum. He can stick around as a backup beyond this year. 

This.  Making a statement that Jaylon might be expendable is high comedy.  Constant mental errors and stupid penalties rule the day.

 

To his credit, he's leading the Cowboys' journey on the Sunshine Express.

[Trey3216 15325]

25 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Well this really helps with contract negotiations...             /s

By Dave Halprin  Nov 10, 2020

Jones family leaves no doubt that Dak Prescott is their quarterback of the future, regardless of draft position

The Cowboys are knocking down any draft notions of a quarterback.

 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2020/11/10/21559086/jones-family-leaves-no-doubt-dak-prescott-is-quarterback-of-the-future-regardless-of-draft-position

You have to do that right now to create draft day leverage.  

[LTtxfan 49011]

15 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

You have to do that right now to create draft day leverage.  

Mid March 2021 Franchise Tag Deadline may not create much leverage for Apr 29th, 2021 Draft though right??

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by LTtxfan
messed up

[dcar00 14036]

12 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

The Steelers told Leveon Bell to go fuck himself.

That's what you do with running backs holding out. 

yeah but look where they ar.....wait

[Trey3216 15325]

15 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Mid March 2021 Franchise Tag Deadline may not create much leverage for Apr 29th, 2021 Draft though right??

 

That's plenty of time.  You non-exclusive rights tag Dak, which will put the idea in some other teams' minds that they can put an offer sheet on him, or that Dallas may be looking at drafting Dak's successor high in the draft.  That creates leverage both in contract negotiations with Dak, as well as draft day trade negotiations.  Dak's team would have to look at the possibility of signing with a team that is going to give Dallas 2 first round picks if they decide not to match the offer sheet, play one year on a lower tag than the exclusive rights and then hit the market the next season, or negotiate with Dallas for a new contract.

The other teams will have to think about signing Dak and giving up 2 first rounders, or trading up in the draft to get in front of Dallas or to get Dallas' pick to get one of the QB's.  Dallas looks to gain draft picks in either scenario.  

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

26 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

That's plenty of time.  You non-exclusive rights tag Dak, which will put the idea in some other teams' minds that they can put an offer sheet on him, or that Dallas may be looking at drafting Dak's successor high in the draft.  That creates leverage both in contract negotiations with Dak, as well as draft day trade negotiations.  Dak's team would have to look at the possibility of signing with a team that is going to give Dallas 2 first round picks if they decide not to match the offer sheet, play one year on a lower tag than the exclusive rights and then hit the market the next season, or negotiate with Dallas for a new contract.

The other teams will have to think about signing Dak and giving up 2 first rounders, or trading up in the draft to get in front of Dallas or to get Dallas' pick to get one of the QB's.  Dallas looks to gain draft picks in either scenario.  

Seems like too smart of an approach for the Jones boys

[Drew 2331]

21 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Is this good OL play?

 

Steele seems like he sucks and shouldn't be starting.

21 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

How has Jaylon not at least been benched yet? He's terrible- so good for tanking but I'm sure our coaches are actually trying to win. 

Connor Williams is also a bum. He can stick around as a backup beyond this year. 

Look to the front office.  I almost think the coaches are keeping him on the field more than anyone else JUST to show the Jones how bad he is.  No one is missing it except them.

 

Also still laughing at people thinking Dak isn't even a Top 10, or just barely, at this point.  If this season proved nothing else, it's that Dak is closer to an Elite QB than a "good" QB.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Drew

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Wouldn't disagree but if give Dak Russell Wilson or top 5 QB money you aren't going anywhere besides maybe 9 or 10 wins in a great year.  You are capping your ceiling. 

[Drew 2331]

Why? He's not THAT far off what Russel was doing in his 4th and 5th years...they gave him money and they're fine.  Not sure why the hold up is "can't pay dak because team sucks".  The front office needs to do their job and pay the right players and put talent on the team.

THAT'S why Brees and Rodgers only have 1 SB to their names. The inability of their teams to figure out how to keep putting talented players on the team. It wasn't money issues, it was bad talent evaluation and poor contracts.

Ya'll keep using some BS reasoning about "not paying Dak because no money" when that's trash. They have the money to pay Dak right NOW and still eat those bad contracts.  He's proven that he doesn't NEED super stars all over the place to produce(just look at the OL and RB this year) and if you're saying he couldn't overcome the defense, just look at what the Seahawks are doing with Russ at his peak and still having a bad defense.  No one, not Russ, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady in their prime will overcome historically bad defenses.

And paying Dak does NOT impede them from fixing the defense at all.  Actually hit on some defensive draft picks(like it looks like they may have last draft) next draft and make a smart FA signing(not bargain bin) and they're going from 28th in defense to 15th just like that.  Maybe better.  Heck the fact that Dak succeeded in producing DESPITE the bad OL play proves you don't NEED first rounders and high draft picks all over the line.  Replace Steele with Collins and they're probably good enough to protect him next year regardless if Tyron gets  healthy or not.

This "Dak is only good for 9-10" wins talk is garbage.  First of all, a QB who gets you 10 wins a year regardless is GREAT for your team  "capping yourself?" What?.

Dak has had an 8 win season thanks to other factors, but overall he's been a winning QB every year.  And now winning 9-10 games every year is not good? You seem to think he's maxed out or something, like he peaked in 2018 or something.   He was BETTER in 2019 than he was in 2018.  And he was putting up MVP numbers this year and BETTER than in 2019.  

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Drew

[LTtxfan 49011]

Gotta love Drew's passion...

But if you sign Dak, the best case scenario over the Cowboys next 4-5 years will likely be just fighting to make one of the final spots in the playoffs and then losing in the first round.

Continued mediocrity for the Dallas Cowboys with no shot at even an appearance in an NFC Championship Game.

 

 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

14 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Gotta love Drew's passion...

But if you sign Dak, the best case scenario over the Cowboys next 4-5 years will likely be just fighting to make one of the final spots in the playoffs and then losing in the first round.

Continued mediocrity for the Dallas Cowboys with no shot at even an appearance in an NFC Championship Game.

 

 

I mean.... c'mon.  With Jerrah at the reins, that's the best case scenario even if we had peak Joe Montana at the helm.  It's odd that after almost 2.5 decades of futility, folks still blame the QB (Romo before Dak) more than the stooges running the train into the ground.  

 

[LTtxfan 49011]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I mean.... c'mon.  With Jerrah at the reins, that's the best case scenario even if we had peak Joe Montana at the helm.  It's odd that after almost 2.5 decades of futility, folks still blame the QB (Romo before Dak) more than the stooges running the train into the ground.  

 

I feel your pain.  Trust me I hope that I am proven wrong...

I have family members in their 20's who were toddlers when the Triplets last won a Super Bowl in the 1995 season.  They are tired of watching the Cowboys suck and blame me for turning them into Cowboy fans. 😁

Hell even Aikman wants Dak back with the Cowboys.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/troy-aikman-will-be-the-happiest-person-when-dak-prescott-gets-deal-doesnt-think-cowboys-need-trevor-lawrence/ar-BB1aUiEH?ocid=uxbndlbing 

Whether the Cowboys sign Dak or not, I will still cheer like hell for him... 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by LTtxfan

[Mileslong 4716]

Jerry must act differently in other his business interests than he does running the Cowboys.

He’s obviously a great businessman in his other endeavors but he doesn’t have a clue on the concept of using leverage in contract negotiation when it come to his players.

They also leak who they really want to pick in the draft every year eliminating them getting who they really want year after year. How many times has Philly, for instance, taken someone the Cowboys liked right before them because the Cowboys have blabbing to the press for weeks who they want to pick.

Saying now that they have no plans to draft another QB with the third pick in the draft because Dak is their QB of the future they have effectively removed any leverage they have when they sit down to seriously negotiate Dak’s contract.

It’s maddening

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

After two decades Jerry still doesn't realize how managing a salary cap works.

Usually he gives his top 7 or 8 guys everything they ask for and the rest of the roster is below average.

[Mileslong 4716]

Forgot to post the screenshot that made me go crazy

[futureman 22420]

FWIW nothing jerry says can be taken seriously.  he reserves the right to change his mind. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Would say Stephen Jones could talk some sense into him but I think he is a bigger idiot than his dad.

He thought giving Jaylon and Zeke huge contracts were good ideas.

[futureman 22420]

Just now, Loch Ness Monster said:

Would say Stephen Jones could talk some sense into him but I think he is a bigger idiot than his dad.

stephen is twice as dumb and half as charming.  unless he hires a GM things are going to get worse when jerry dies. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Gotta love Drew's passion...

But if you sign Dak, the best case scenario over the Cowboys next 4-5 years will likely be just fighting to make one of the final spots in the playoffs and then losing in the first round.

Continued mediocrity for the Dallas Cowboys with no shot at even an appearance in an NFC Championship Game.

 

 

Dak came within a FG of getting them to the NFC title game, when he was a low paid rookie behind one of the top 2-3 lines in football with some decent weapons to work with and an at least somewhat serviceable defense.  

When he's making 40 mil a year he will never have that level of pieces around him. Will never have that level protection or even as serviceable a defense as 2016. A real organization could ensure they get a top 2 pick by playing Nooch the rest of the way, sign Dak, flip that top 2 pick for a couple of firsts plus a few other picks and have the ability to draft good cheap talent around him for the next 3-4 years. The jones just can't. They aren't capable and are unwilling to find someone who is. 

That's why the only chance the Jones' have is with a cheap rookie contract QB so they can have the cap leeway to potentially overcome their bad roster and draft mistakes for a shot at a one off year like 2016. 

[DougO 5239]

A lot of folks here wanted Greg Roman as head coach of the Cowboys. He sounds a lot like Garrett. Does he clap?

 

Ravens QB Lamar Jackson said opposing defenses are "calling out our plays."

Seems bad. Several 2020 opponents — including the Colts last week — have looked like they knew many of Baltimore's offensive plays before the snap. It's put Jackson in an unenviable position, having to dodge oncoming rushers to make something out of nothing time and again. The Ravens' passing attack has stalled out throughout the season's first nine weeks, with Jackson posting an average net yards per attempt of 6.2, nearly two yards less than his 2019 ANY/A. Baltimore offensive coordinator Greg Roman saw his offense become similarly predictable as the 49ers' offensive coordinator in 2013, one year after wrecking defenses with Colin Kaepernick and the team's devastating running attack. Jackson remains an every-week fantasy starter but the gaudy stat lines of 2019 have been absent through the season's first two months. 

[Drew 2331]

21 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Gotta love Drew's passion...

But if you sign Dak, the best case scenario over the Cowboys next 4-5 years will likely be just fighting to make one of the final spots in the playoffs and then losing in the first round.

Continued mediocrity for the Dallas Cowboys with no shot at even an appearance in an NFC Championship Game.

 

 

 

You're saying "paying Dak means they'll never go anywhere" without backing it up at all.  Like HE isn't good enough to do it.  Which is a trash take. 

People who still think Dak isn't very good or just "average or so" haven't been watching, don't know shit about football, or are just blind and/or biased.  Simple as that.

[Drew 2331]

16 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

Dak came within a FG of getting them to the NFC title game, when he was a low paid rookie behind one of the top 2-3 lines in football with some decent weapons to work with and an at least somewhat serviceable defense.  

When he's making 40 mil a year he will never have that level of pieces around him. Will never have that level protection or even as serviceable a defense as 2016. A real organization could ensure they get a top 2 pick by playing Nooch the rest of the way, sign Dak, flip that top 2 pick for a couple of firsts plus a few other picks and have the ability to draft good cheap talent around him for the next 3-4 years. The jones just can't. They aren't capable and are unwilling to find someone who is. 

That's why the only chance the Jones' have is with a cheap rookie contract QB so they can have the cap leeway to potentially overcome their bad roster and draft mistakes for a shot at a one off year like 2016. 

I don't think you remember the 2016 defense.  It was bad too.  And that was rookie Dak.  You think 5th year Pro Dak needs as much help as he did as a rookie?

Hell we saw this year what he can do without an OL to help him.  There's no one in here that can say they wouldn't have at least 5 wins with Dak right now(the last 3 for sure), and be running away with the division.