Cowboys @ Rams: Week 1

[dcar00 14181]

Gallup was already behind Ramsey.  that is why Ramsey grabbed his arm.  the separation had already occured and they were hand fighting because Ramsey got beat.

[jeevsie 3733]

I just learned what no cap means.

Had to decipher my son's IG

(apropos of nothing)

Edited September 14, 2020 by jeevsie

[Bartles 769]

I agreed with Collinsworth that Ramsey got the call because he sold it, which in live action made it look like a push off (but ridiculous on replay). I think they changed the rule so PI is no longer reviewable in any situation.

Also surprised Cowboys fans weren't thrilled that McCarthy went for the 4th down, where Garrett would certainly have kicked. It was just not a great play call, or possibly Lamb ran the route too short.

ETA: Oh, and the "cost us the game" crowd is doing same thing they did with Dez-caught-it...in all likelihood, Dallas would have kicked a short field goal to possibly force OT. No reason to assume the Rams wouldn't have won it anyway

Edited September 14, 2020 by Bartles
Dez

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

2 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Let's take the ref's word for it and not use our own eyes. 

Coming from a Houston fan I understand. You guys are conditioned to believe that flopping around like you got shot anytime someone touches you is good for the sport. 

Ramsey hooked and grabbed his arm with the ball in the air. That's pass interference, full stop. Gallop freeing his arm and pushing him away is not OPI. 

Just admit it, it was a bad call. Even cowboys hater Collinsworth agreed along with the Terry McAulay and Al Michaels. 

There’s a huge difference between a “bad call” and a ticky tack call that probably shouldn’t be called given the circumstances. It wasn’t a bad call. They’re going to get their grades after the game, and they’re going to be told that they made the right call because by definition it was the right call. We sound like babies complaining about this call when we flat out didn’t play well last night. We didn’t deserve to win. They did a lot more to put themselves in position to win that game, and they won. We had a chance because it’s the nfl and most games are one score games, but they player better than we did. Period

[Hate 20108]

But see Donald is so good he shits on double teams as well. No cap

Understood that he is going to go down as one of the greatest to ever play, but there should be ways to scheme him out of the game a little bit. He’s going to make a play or two, but he was just wrecking shop last night. Or maybe he really is just that good and there is nothing that can be done. Let’s see how other teams handle him this season.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Gallup was already behind Ramsey.  that is why Ramsey grabbed his arm.  the separation had already occured and they were hand fighting because Ramsey got beat.

It was literally a veteran savvy play Ramsey to oversell the extended arm. Don’t over analyze it other than that.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Just now, Hate said:

Understood that he is going to go down as one of the greatest to ever play, but there should be ways to scheme him out of the game a little bit. He’s going to make a play or two, but he was just wrecking shop last night. Or maybe he really is just that good and there is nothing that can be done. Let’s see how other teams handle him this season.

There is a strong case to be made that he is the best player in football at any position. That case was stronger before mahomes turned into what he was, but he’s top 3 in football regardless of position. I don’t think you just casually scheme him out of a game if he’s feeling it that night. 

[kevwun 15773]

He led the league in sacks in 2018 and was double teamed on something like 50% of passing plays.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Understood that he is going to go down as one of the greatest to ever play, but there should be ways to scheme him out of the game a little bit. He’s going to make a play or two, but he was just wrecking shop last night. Or maybe he really is just that good and there is nothing that can be done. Let’s see how other teams handle him this season.

Teams try but it doesn’t work and that’s what’s crazy about Donald. We may be watching the best defensive linemen of all time. I think he certainly will finish as the best DT of all time but if he keeps his current play up we may look at him as the best defensive linemen period.

[dcar00 14181]

1 minute ago, Bevo VIII said:

It was literally a veteran savvy play Ramsey to oversell the extended arm. Don’t over analyze it other than that.

agreed the patented ginobli head snap sold it because  he was beat. was his only option.

[Hate 20108]

agreed the patented Harden head snap sold it because  he was beat. was his only option.

Fixed for accuracy.

[dcar00 14181]

1 minute ago, Hate said:

 

Fixed for accuracy.

 

Ginobli is the originator but agree that Harden took it to another level.  got to give Ginobli the props for inventing the move though.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Here is a good angle on how well it was sold by Ramsey

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

4 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

It wasnt an intentional missed call. The ref was behind the play, saw the receiver have his arm straight out, then saw the DB lean back as if pushed hard and made an assumption. It was that simple. 

Then don’t make the call if you don’t clearly see it...it’s that simple

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Then don’t make the call if you don’t clearly see it...it’s that simple

The ref sees Gallup arm extended, the DBs body shifts backwards. It’s pretty simple call.


Why even argue about the call. It’s textbook offensive Pi.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

4 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Then don’t make the call if you don’t clearly see it...it’s that simple

I mean, the ref called exactly what he thought happened. And it did happen lol. I don’t know how they grade officials, but none of those guys are going to get a point deducted because of that call. By the letter of the law, it was the right call. Ramsey just sold the shit out of it and got the call. It was a veteran savvy move that you kinda have to give him credit for. I’m sure he’s talked about things he could do if he was obviously beat, and I’m sure this exact situation has come up in conversation with someone. I highly doubt he just thought of that on the fly. It was either coached or taught to him by another vet. 

[Billy Pilgrim 1960]

9 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

The ref sees Gallup arm extended, the DBs body shifts backwards. It’s pretty simple call.


Why even argue about the call. It’s textbook offensive Pi.

Then call it EVERYTIME it’s done. There’d be penalties on every pass play.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Then call it EVERYTIME it’s done. There’d be penalties on every pass play.

Quit being such a titty baby homer.


Be more mad at your dumb fucking coach failing a 4th down conversion in field goal range.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

14 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

The ref sees Gallup arm extended, the DBs body shifts backwards. It’s pretty simple call.


Why even argue about the call. It’s textbook offensive Pi.

LOL, yea open and shut case. 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

Well there was textbook dpi against lamb earlier in the game on third down that forced a punt (or maybe the long fg that was missed) and that didn’t get called.  Those happen every game too, the point being consistency is what is needed. The officiating stopped one Dallas drive with a no call and their last drive with a call. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

 

 

 

There is no question that the extended arm was not incidental.

[Pam Cummings 9640]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

The decision to not take a field goal in the fourth quarter in a game where it was difficult to score should be getting way more hate this morning, more than OPI.

That's some captain hindsight shit. LA would have had a different strategy if the game were tied and Dallas might not have seen the ball again as they kicked a last second field goal. You just never know.

[Pam Cummings 9640]

1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Regarding the call, I tend to be pretty sympathetic to the officials in any sport. It's a damn tough job they're asked to do and demanding absolute perfection is unrealistic.

That said, it's mystifying to me why fans sitting on their couches at home have the benefit of slow-mo replays in 1080p from 4 different angles, but refs have to make split second calls at game speed that decide the outcome of the game with no backup. Maybe that call was reviewable and it just wasn't for some reason - I have no idea what the rule is or how it's applied at this point. I suspect that refs themselves are the biggest opponent of reviewing stuff like that, because they don't want to be second-guessed constantly. That's where my sympathy ends, if that's the case. They get paid a shitload of money to work 3 hours a week. A fair outcome to the game is a lot more important to me than their pride.

Players and coaches win and lose jobs based on wins and losses. The refs are the only people on that field with 100% job security regardless of how bad they fuck up. It's bullshit.

['stache 21801]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

That's some captain hindsight shit. LA would have had a different strategy if the game were tied and Dallas might not have seen the ball again as they kicked a last second field goal. You just never know.

This is my thought. If it had tied, I think the Rams' strategy would have been different and they would have gotten into field goal range and won it without us seeing the ball again. I think we only stopped them because they were more conservative with the lead. I mean they drove it to midfield even with that conservatism. Our defense was pretty bad most of the game.

[Brew 3049]

6 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

There is no question that the extended arm was incidental.

If there is no question that it was incidental, then based on what you posted it would be a no call situation which doesn’t seem to be what you have been arguing.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Brew

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

This is my thought. If it had tied, I think the Rams' strategy would have been different and they would have gotten into field goal range and won it without us seeing the ball again. I think we only stopped them because they were more conservative with the lead. I mean they drove it to midfield even with that conservatism. Our defense was pretty bad most of the game.

Tie the game up and hope your defense gets a shot is better than relying on an offense who has only put up 17 points all night.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

If there is no question that it was incidental, then based on what you posted it would be a no call situation which doesn’t seem to be what you have been arguing.

I realized I left out a not after the was. See revised post.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

6 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

 

 

 

There is no question that the extended arm was not incidental.

There is no question Ramsey should've been flagged for PI when he hooked Gallops arm and kept it there with the ball in the air. 

 

['stache 21801]

1 minute ago, Bevo VIII said:

Tie the game up and hope your defense gets a shot is better than relying on an offense who has only put up 17 points all night.

That drive was working, and the fact that we "only" put up 17 points is a good argument for trying to get into the endzone when you are that close. Regardless, I'm just happy to see some aggressive playcalling and I hope they don't turtle up because this one failed. I like the aggressive attitude after so many years of Garrett.

[AustinMT 952]

One (or two, counting the go-for-it decision) play did not decide this game.  What decided it was only being able to put up 17 points. Defense wasn't great, but when you limit the other team to 20 you should win with the weapons this offense has.

[B00M 6414]

51 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

I just learned what no cap means.

Had to decipher my son's IG

(apropos of nothing)

 

It took 5 seconds to Google it and find it on urban dictionary...It wasn't worth the time.

 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

That drive was working, and the fact that we "only" put up 17 points is a good argument for trying to get into the endzone when you are that close. Regardless, I'm just happy to see some aggressive playcalling and I hope they don't turtle up because this one failed. I like the aggressive attitude after so many years of Garrett.

The bigger point is taking points when you only have scored 17 is the bigger issue. Struggled all night to manufacture points but not going to take them when you have the opportunity and fail on a 4th down.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

There is no question Ramsey should've been flagged for PI when he hooked Gallops arm and kept it there with the ball in the air. 

 

So at worst the penalties offset and you have 3rd and 10 at your own 34 with 30 seconds left. In your homer view ofc.

[Hate 20108]

Teams try but it doesn’t work and that’s what’s crazy about Donald. We may be watching the best defensive linemen of all time. I think he certainly will finish as the best DT of all time but if he keeps his current play up we may look at him as the best defensive linemen period.

Circling back to this a bit, it seems to me that maybe they should have called for a few more designed roll outs to move the pocket a little bit rather than having Donald know where Dak would be every play. It would also be nice to see just one well executed screen out of this franchise. It seems like it’s been since the Landry/Staubach days that we’ve seen it happen.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

13 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

So at worst the penalties offset and you have 3rd and 10 at your own 34 with 30 seconds left. In your homer view ofc.

This is your worst take yet. They never call OPI after a DPI. 

That would be as likely as James Harden winning a championship.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

This is your worst take yet. They never call OPI after a DPI. 
That would be as likely as James Harden winning a championship.

You replied to me and cited illegal contact down field in your image. So if there was illegal contact down field and offensive pass interference was called as well they would offset.

Keep up with your own homer arguments.

['stache 21801]

23 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

The bigger point is taking points when you only have scored 17 is the bigger issue. Struggled all night to manufacture points but not going to take them when you have the opportunity and fail on a 4th down.

That's a reasonable argument and is what Garrett would have done for sure. The fact is it was a judgment call but people raking McCarthy over the coals for it is unwarranted. I still like the call. I hate the execution. If it worked, he'd be hailed a hero. It will work sometimes and be the right call. I think overall teams should go for it more on 4th down. Conservatism has taken deep hold over coaches and I hope McCarthy is willing to keep trying aggressive calls. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by 'stache

[dcar00 14181]

then why didn't he go for it on 4th and 7 from the 35 instead of missing the 53 yard FG?

Edited September 14, 2020 by dcar00

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

14 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

You replied to me and cited illegal contact down field in your image. So if there was illegal contact down field and offensive pass interference was called as well they would offset.

Keep up with your own homer arguments.

There is no such thing as illegal contact with the ball in the air, it's DPI when the ball is in the air. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

There is no such thing as illegal contact with the ball in the air, it's DPI when the ball is in the air. 

Then why post illegal contact ruling?

 

 

Illegal contact could have happened prior to the ball being thrown and offensive pass interference occur while ball is in the air.

 

 

What point are you trying to make exactly

[totallynotabuttpirate 5395]

Also, LMAO at you keep using the word "homer" like it's some kind of indictment. We're on a Texas board in a Cowboys game thread. Yea, most people here are going to have some feelings one way or the other and not be unbiased. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by totallynotabuttpirate

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Also, LMAO at you keep using the word "homer" like it's some kind of indictment. We're on a Texas board in a Cowboys game thread. Yea, most people here are going to have some feelings one way or the other and not be unbiased. 

Let me guess, Dez caught it?

[Trey3216 15346]

16 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Let me guess, Dez caught it?

[hayden_horn 11362]

30 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Let me guess, Dez caught it?

dez absolutely fucking caught it.

[tokamak 6402]

Aaron Donald gets better and better as this thread goes on. Hard to win when you're playing against God-Emperor of the Universe.

[dcar00 14181]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Well there was textbook dpi against lamb earlier in the game on third down that forced a punt (or maybe the long fg that was missed) and that didn’t get called.  Those happen every game too, the point being consistency is what is needed. The officiating stopped one Dallas drive with a no call and their last drive with a call. 

yep one of our WR's got hooked and stopped a drive.  textbook! textbook!!  no call...maybe we need a "textbook" coach on the sideline similar to the "get back" coach.

[Gene Parmesan 4005]

7 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Aaron Donald gets better and better as this thread goes on. Hard to win when you're playing against God-Emperor of the Universe.

The character Thanos is loosely based on Aaron Donald. Donald is a freak, but the Rams did lose 7 games last year.  It's possible to beat them.

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

3 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

The character Thanos is loosely based on Aaron Donald. Donald is a freak, but the Rams did lose 7 games last year.  It's possible to beat them.

Jason Garrett’s team beat them last year. 

[n64ra 1081]

On 9/13/2020 at 10:36 AM, Vic Mackey said:

The road to 16-0 starts tonight!!

7:20pm NBC

Cowboys -2

O/U 51.5

The road also ended last night.

[Harrison Stafford 3335]

Aldon Smith is the best defensive player the Cowboys have and he hadn’t played in five years.  That should be of much greater concern than the OPI call.