Deion Sanders "Coach Prime" Now At Colorado

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17 minutes ago, nnm said:

Best I can do. 

My coach always told us to break down to make the tackle....but I am not sure this is what he meant.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah, it's entirely possible, though young, Hunter has a vision and is driving the action nearly as much, maybe even more than Deion. 

Thinking on Deion, I could see him becoming an NIL "agent" of sorts in a next step. Find extremely talented and motivated HS athletes and work a dual roll of agent and non-team trainer. His work at CU and professional career would support that resume wise.

he probably likes the attention and influence of HC, whereas the other gig is just a job, which is not what a man with money really needs

[BurntEyes 5,863]

2 hours ago, 52-80 said:

he probably likes the attention and influence of HC, whereas the other gig is just a job, which is not what a man with money really needs

Yeah, and it doesn't feed his ego either. Upon further review... 

[Jkwellborn 6,666]

Yeah, it's entirely possible, though young, Hunter has a vision and is driving the action nearly as much, maybe even more than Deion. 
Thinking on Deion, I could see him becoming an NIL "agent" of sorts in a next step. Find extremely talented and motivated HS athletes and work a dual roll of agent and non-team trainer. His work at CU and professional career would support that resume wise.

Didn’t he kinda of try that with Noel Devine? I wonder what he was actually doing when he got Dez in trouble.

[HtownHorn 14,574]

16 hours ago, WBT said:

Should have passed more and run less imo

Shadeur Sanders was sacked 4 times for -43 yards. That is why their rushing total looks so bad.

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20 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Any other coach would be taking a lot of shit in the press for playing Hunter basically until he got hurt because it was just a matter of time. 

Try letting a kid pitch past 100 pitches and a coach would be roasted like pork at a luau.  Let's see the wear and tear of non-contact pitching versus the wear and tear of playing defense and offense in football.  Hhhmmm..... which kid will have a shorter career?  Anything can happen, but I hope the football kid has a great financial guy.  So, what is the O/U on Dieon when Shedeur and TH bail for the next level?  Do we bet in hours, days, weeks, or months?

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42 minutes ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

Try letting a kid pitch past 100 pitches and a coach would be roasted like pork at a luau.  Let's see the wear and tear of non-contact pitching versus the wear and tear of playing defense and offense in football. 

 

Edited October 15 by nnm

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1 hour ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

Try letting a kid pitch past 100 pitches and a coach would be roasted like pork at a luau.  Let's see the wear and tear of non-contact pitching versus the wear and tear of playing defense and offense in football.  Hhhmmm..... which kid will have a shorter career?  Anything can happen, but I hope the football kid has a great financial guy.  So, what is the O/U on Dieon when Shedeur and TH bail for the next level?  Do we bet in hours, days, weeks, or months?

I think it's months, right to signing day. That's tracks with Deion. If he doesn't land a mother load recruiting class ( he won’t) with three or four 5 star players (he won't) he can ride for another couple years he'll bail. 

That seems like the safe bet, but never bet on a wild card or a lot lizard. They're unpredictable.

Edited October 15 by BurntEyes

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20 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Shadeur Sanders was sacked 4 times for -43 yards. That is why their rushing total looks so bad.

So they actually ran 15 times for 14 yards?  You're right, that looks most excellent!

[Beau Vine 54,045]

Keeler's latest column is really gonna piss Deion off:

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BOULDER — We come not to bury Shilo Sanders. Honest. DJ Giddens already took care of that.

“We can’t give up plays that we know we can make. We can’t (not) play up to our standards,” Sanders, CU’s sixth-year senior safety and son of Buffs football coach Deion Sanders, said during the program’s weekly news conference.

“Especially me. Because I’m the free safety. I’m the locksmith on the defense. I can’t be going out there not being on my game.”

He is. He is. He can’t. And he wasn’t. Giddens, Kansas State’s star tailback, did stuff to the younger Sanders in three-and-a-half hours last weekend that Michael Jordan used to do to the Cleveland Cavaliers come playoff time.

When the Buffs safety attempted a hit-stick tackle with his shoulder, failing to wrap up or use either arm, the 212-pound Giddens shrugged it off, spun, and kept chugging.

On another attempt, Sanders squared up the K-State back in the hole, 1-on-1. Giddens wiggled and planted hard left, then juked so hard to the right that the CU safety stopped, then slipped and fell to his knees while the Wildcats star zagged the other direction.

Social media went nuts over that last one. And not in a kind way.

“It’s just… disappointing for me, especially the fans,” Shilo said Tuesday. “And I’ve been seeing everybody turn on me and stuff like that. But I’m not worried about (any) of that because as soon as you do good, they’re gonna be right back on your side just how they were when we won (that) UCF game out there in Florida.

“So I’m not really worried about (any) of that. I’m worried about me getting better, worried about contributing to the team and helping us win, and … my role. I can’t be going out there (off) my game. I’m the free safety. If I mess up, everybody’s gonna see it.”

To be fair to Sanders, some context matters here. One, Giddens is the real deal — an old-school big back (6-foot-1) with NFL quicks and an NFL frame. Two, the Buffs safety was playing at game speed, against one of the most physical offenses in the Big 12, for the first time in a month. The Buffs defender suffered an arm injury at Nebraska back on Sept. 7. A little rust is understandable.

All that being said if that rust continues when the Buffs (4-2, 2-1 Big 12) visit mercurial Arizona (3-3, 1-2) on Saturday afternoon … he’s really going start putting his pops in a pickle.

Why? Because CU’s defense looked better, particularly against the run, while Sanders was out.

Especially at UCF, arguably the most complete game of the Coach Prime Era at CU. The scouts at Pro Football Focus, who grade on a “100” scale, assigned Shilo’s replacement/understudy, Carter Stoutmire, a 48.7 coverage grade against the Knights — but a 75.0 grade in run defense.

Point of comparison: In the opener against NDSU, PFF gave Shilo a 73.4 grade in pass coverage and a 74.0 against the run.

“With me not being on the field, he played (well),” the younger Sanders said Tuesday when asked about Stoutmire. “He’s a guy (that) started playing corner, then he came (and) filled in that role (at) safety, he held it down.”

If the Buffs want to get a leg up again in what could be a wacky Big 12 title chase, Shilo needs to start doing the same. To his credit, the younger Sanders turned up Tuesday, sat down in front of a room full of reporters and owned every bit of a tough night at the office.

Mind you, some of that “X” backlash stemmed from a short video posted this past April in which Sanders encouraged critics to go “download” PFF to check out his missed tackle percentage from 2023, adding, “y’all do that, and then teach me how to tackle.”

According to PFF, Giddens led all offensive players in FBS on the site’s “missed tackles forced” stat last weekend, with 12. If you’re curious.

“We can’t just quit now,” Sanders continued. “I can’t just quit now just (because I played) the worst game of my life.”

While his little brother Shedeur is the darling of NFL scouts, and deservedly so, those same draftniks aren’t as high on the CU safety. He’s not big. He’s not Travis Hunter fast. His angles can be all over the place. His default mode is to truck dudes, which sometimes leads to fantastic, viral results. And sometimes gets him juked out of his athletic supporter.

“I know I’m good at football … I’ve made a lot of tackles in my career,” Sanders said. “And in one game, (I’m) just not going — I’m not gonna let everybody (say), ‘Oh, you’re trash, you can’t do this, you can’t do that.’ You can’t tell me what I can’t do if I’ve done it already. And you probably haven’t done it. So I’ve done it. I know (what) I’m capable of … we’ve won big games. We know what we’re capable of. So we’ve just got to go do it.”

Owning up is half the battle. If Shilo uses his arms in Tucson as deftly as he used his thumb on Tuesday, CU will be the one swinging the shovel. And taking names.

 

[Jkwellborn 6,666]

So they actually ran 15 times for 14 yards?  You're right, that looks most excellent!

That’s more than normal.

[Mittens 8,196]

Brilliant logic, Travis!

 

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5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Keeler's latest column is really gonna piss Deion off:

 

All the parentheticals for the words sanders couldn't say are funny

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45 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Brilliant logic, Travis!

 

Hunter to portal to aggy?

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16 hours ago, Mittens said:

Brilliant logic, Travis!

 

What a moron

[TreatyOak 16,207]

Serious question for the know-it-alls: 

How did Ashton Jeanty get away from the state and end up at Boise State? I watched highlights and he looks amazing. 

Was he not heavily recruited? Looks like he was a star at football and track at Lone Star. And he was a wide receiver in HS?   

Is he just one of those late-bloomers? 

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18 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Serious question for the know-it-alls: 

How did Ashton Jeanty get away from the state and end up at Boise State? I watched highlights and he looks amazing. 

Was he not heavily recruited? Looks like he was a star at football and track at Lone Star. And he was a wide receiver in HS?   

Is he just one of those late-bloomers? 

Light offer list: https://247sports.com/recruitment/ashton-jeanty-135752/recruitinterests/

He split carries with Holani last year and didn't really break out until this year. So yeah, a bit of a late bloomer.

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22 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Keeler's latest column is really gonna piss Deion off:

 

If Shilo is CU's locksmith on defense the dad may want to look for another vendor. 

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10 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

If Shilo is CU's locksmith on defense the dad may want to look for another vendor. 

To be fair, locksmiths are often graded upon opening up things.  Shilo and CU seem pretty proficient at that.

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3 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Serious question for the know-it-alls: 

How did Ashton Jeanty get away from the state and end up at Boise State? I watched highlights and he looks amazing. 

Was he not heavily recruited? Looks like he was a star at football and track at Lone Star. And he was a wide receiver in HS?   

Is he just one of those late-bloomers? 

IIRC he was a brat and lived on military bases all his life. He played middle school and freshman ball in Italy, didn’t move to Frisco until he was a sophomore. Missed out on a lot of early recruiting exposure 

[Jkwellborn 6,666]

If Shilo is CU's locksmith on defense the dad may want to look for another vendor. 

Yeah, I don’t know that Shilo knows what a locksmith is or does.

[TreatyOak 16,207]

18 hours ago, Helobious said:

IIRC he was a brat and lived on military bases all his life. He played middle school and freshman ball in Italy, didn’t move to Frisco until he was a sophomore. Missed out on a lot of early recruiting exposure 

I wonder what makes a late bloomer a success? Here are some obvious reasons below. Any others? 

• Growing into strength and speed
• Super work effort
• Getting lucky to play for the right team, coaches, scheme, etc

If you remember, D'Onta Foreman was an afterthought, as his brother was the considered the real prize recruit. D'Onta came out of nowhere. 

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5 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

I wonder what makes a late bloomer a success? Here are some obvious reasons below. Any others? 

• Growing into strength and speed
• Super work effort
• Getting lucky to play for the right team, coaches, scheme, etc

If you remember, D'Onta Foreman was an afterthought, as his brother was the considered the real prize recruit. D'Onta came out of nowhere. 

Surprisingly, people aren't fully developed at 14 to 17 yrs old

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Buffs are 5-2

Remaining games:
vs Cincy (6-1)
@ TTech (5-2)
vs Utah (4-3)
@ Kansas (2-5)
vs Ok St (3-4) (Don't worry, the Big 12 Coach of the Year will turn 'em around!!)

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Prime on Shadeur and the Heisman:

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Afterward, his father questioned why he's "not even mentioned" in the Heisman Trophy race.

"I don't care. I really don't. It's just strange," Deion Sanders said. "It's just funny to me. I just think it's just ignorant, but it's funny to us because Shedeur could care less. Shedeur wants to be drafted in a wonderful city. He wants to win out. That's what he thinks about. He ain't thinking about no darn Heisman, man.

 

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"But neither of us care about it at all...unless someone says he may win it."

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Prime on Shadeur and the Heisman:

Afterward, his father questioned why he's "not even mentioned" in the Heisman Trophy race.

"I don't care. I really don't. It's just strange," Deion Sanders said. "It's just funny to me. I just think it's just ignorant, but it's funny to us because Shedeur could care less. Shedeur wants to be drafted in a wonderful city. He wants to win out. That's what he thinks about. He ain't thinking about no darn Heisman, man.

 

Bullshit. Prime knows why no one is talking about Shadeur winning the Heisman. Shitty schedule, and his dumb ass dad and attitude. But to think those look at me fuckers don’t wanna win the most known college football award? That’s laughable.

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Is colorado good or is the big 12 really shitty?

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12 minutes ago, demos said:

Is colorado good or is the big 12 really shitty?

A little of both. They don't have to play undefeated BYU or undefeated Iowa State. The only team in the top 3 of the conference they lost to by 3 (KSU), while also needing OT to get by Baylor.

 

I think this game against Tech will solidify if they belong in that Top 4 or are just like the rest of the middle of the pack (which is a lot of schools). They have earned the right to prove it at this point, imo.

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On 10/18/2024 at 2:14 PM, Hermanator said:

Surprisingly, people aren't fully developed at 14 to 17 yrs old

I didn't ask the more interesting question. Instead of asking why late bloomers happen, I should have asked why sure-thing players don't pan out. Perhaps D'Onta continued to grow and probably had a great work ethic, but his brother was supposed to be an NFL prospect but didn't amount to much. Was it a factor of attitude and playing for shitty QB's that did him in? Curious about your thoughts.  

[Helobious 9,503]

Damn, they steamrolled Cincy last night. Finally starting to run the ball

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39 minutes ago, demos said:

Is colorado good or is the big 12 really shitty?

It's both, they are way better than they were last year, and Shadeur is legit the best playmaking QB in college football.

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12 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

It's both, they are way better than they were last year, and Shadeur is legit the best playmaking QB in college football.

He is not even the best player on his own team.

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16 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Damn, they steamrolled Cincy last night. Finally starting to run the ball

IMO it was their best game of the year.  Played well on both sides of the ball, players and coaches acted like they've been there before and got the W.  

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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

He is not even the best player on his own team.

I didn't say he was.  I said he was the best QB.

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12 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I didn't ask the more interesting question. Instead of asking why late bloomers happen, I should have asked why sure-thing players don't pan out. Perhaps D'Onta continued to grow and probably had a great work ethic, but his brother was supposed to be an NFL prospect but didn't amount to much. Was it a factor of attitude and playing for shitty QB's that did him in? Curious about your thoughts.  

I think it's a combination of factors. Part of it is it's very difficult to improve and takes a level of effort some people don't want to give, but I think a lot of it is people mature at different times and the recruiting services can project equal levels of future improvement on people that are closer to finished products at 18 than their peers. 

I think Johnathan Gray fits in this category. I don't think he failed to work hard enough to improve at UT, I just think he was an exceptional HS running back who was a lot closer to maxed out physically than someone like D'Onta Foreman. By all accounts he was a very hard worker, but he just couldn't reach a level that Foreman was able to get to. 

I'm not sure where Armani fit, honestly don't remember much about him. He may have been more maxed out than people thought, or he might have been more complacent with his abilities coming out of HS and didn't put as much effort in. Or a combination of those. 

Then of course you have those like Romance Taylor who had all the physical room to grow to be an NFL player but held themselves back with poor judgement and a lack of dedication. 

A think a great example of a late bloomer we have right now is Taaffe. Was productive at Westlake but had a ton of room to grow physically coming out of HS and has done everything necessary to produce that growth. 

 

 

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I have to give Deion a lot of credit. I know the big 12 is weak, but he has a shit show for an OL and decent at best defensive talent but has managed to compete and turn it around after that embarrassing performance at Nebraska. 

[C-Man 27,122]

I have to give Deion a lot of credit. I know the big 12 is weak, but he has a shit show for an OL and decent at best defensive talent but has managed to compete and turn it around after that embarrassing performance at Nebraska. 

Shadeur is a dude too. Probably will be a locker room cancer in the the NFL but the kid is a warrior who can spin it. He’s fun to watch.

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1 hour ago, Steel Shank said:

Afterward, his father questioned why he's "not even mentioned" in the Heisman Trophy race.

"I don't care. I really don't. It's just strange," Deion Sanders said. "It's just funny to me. I just think it's just ignorant, but it's funny to us because Shedeur could care less. Shedeur wants to be drafted in a wonderful city. He wants to win out. That's what he thinks about. He ain't thinking about no darn Heisman, man.

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1 hour ago, demos said:

Is colorado good or is the big 12 really shitty?

Both but they have serious athletes on the perimeter and their OL is starting to not be abominable. Considering they were 1-11 and completely hopeless two years ago under Dorrell, one has to give credit.

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1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

I think it's a combination of factors. Part of it is it's very difficult to improve and takes a level of effort some people don't want to give, but I think a lot of it is people mature at different times and the recruiting services can project equal levels of future improvement on people that are closer to finished products at 18 than their peers. 

I think Johnathan Gray fits in this category. I don't think he failed to work hard enough to improve at UT, I just think he was an exceptional HS running back who was a lot closer to maxed out physically than someone like D'Onta Foreman. By all accounts he was a very hard worker, but he just couldn't reach a level that Foreman was able to get to. 

I'm not sure where Armani fit, honestly don't remember much about him. He may have been more maxed out than people thought, or he might have been more complacent with his abilities coming out of HS and didn't put as much effort in. Or a combination of those. 

Then of course you have those like Romance Taylor who had all the physical room to grow to be an NFL player but held themselves back with poor judgement and a lack of dedication. 

A think a great example of a late bloomer we have right now is Taaffe. Was productive at Westlake but had a ton of room to grow physically coming out of HS and has done everything necessary to produce that growth. 

 

 

All great info, thanks. I used to be friends w the great Mike Quick, who was the UT swim coach during some of their greatest runs. He once told me that some of his most talented and gifted swimmers never panned out. He said some of them had never lost a race, and it was traumatic for them to get to UT and encounter teammates and opponents who could beat them. It messed with their psyche and they were unwilling to put in the work to get back to the top level. Being a grinder can pay off. Taaffe is definitely a good example of someone who had the work ethic. I don't think it can take him to the next level but we shall see.    

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Probably will be a locker room cancer in the the NFL 

Why?

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1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

 

I think Johnathan Gray fits in this category. I don't think he failed to work hard enough to improve at UT, I just think he was an exceptional HS running back who was a lot closer to maxed out physically than someone like D'Onta Foreman. By all accounts he was a very hard worker, but he just couldn't reach a level that Foreman was able to get to. 

 

Jonathan Gray had his Achilles snap and roll. Never was right again. Hard to know if he was maxed or not.

D'Onta caught the right system and the right OL to maximize his skills.

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14 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Jonathan Gray had his Achilles snap and roll. Never was right again. Hard to know if he was maxed or not.

D'Onta caught the right system and the right OL to maximize his skills.

Gray wasn’t the elite athlete even before the injury 

[Slacks 6,806]

6 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Gray wasn’t the elite athlete even before the injury 

Agreed, but I doubt the sophomore was maxed out when he tore his achilles

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4 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Why?

He's a shithead. He only stopped throwing his teammates under the bus when he learned how negatively people reacted to that behavior. But that's who he is. When he goes to the NFL he will definitely get at least one coordinator fired when he hits a bad stretch of games. 

He's a tough player and can throw accurately from multiple platforms. But i bet he'll be impossible to coach on any deficiency, like holding the ball too long. He might be able to get better about stuff like that but he's been able to do whatever he wants his entire football career. He's never been coached by anyone other than his dad. And that comes out in his personality. Even when he gets to the NFL i think it's pretty likely that his dad will intervene at every turn. 

[C-Man 27,122]

7 minutes ago, Chooky said:

He's a shithead. He only stopped throwing his teammates under the bus when he learned how negatively people reacted to that behavior. But that's who he is. When he goes to the NFL he will definitely get at least one coordinator fired when he hits a bad stretch of games. 

He's a tough player and can throw accurately from multiple platforms. But i bet he'll be impossible to coach on any deficiency, like holding the ball too long. He might be able to get better about stuff like that but he's been able to do whatever he wants his entire football career. He's never been coached by anyone other than his dad. And that comes out in his personality. Even when he gets to the NFL i think it's pretty likely that his dad will intervene at every turn. 

This. The talent is there. I just wonder about everything else.

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On 10/15/2024 at 3:07 PM, Napoleon said:

 

…with perhaps different strength of schedules. 

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30 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This. The talent is there. I just wonder about everything else.

You can be a robot like Peyton with a good football brain and an ability to break down defenses, and as long as you have a strong arm, you’ll do fine.

History is replete with athletic, really strong-armed idiots who failed quickly and miserably in the NFL as a QB because they never mastered the ability to mislead secondaries with their eyes and pump fakes - and could only lock onto their first or maybe second progression receivers.  Which could work in a college program with excellent receivers who got separation on the reg versus their less than stellar defensive secondary opponents.   Any QB could look great those programs.    

And by “idiot” I’m talking football sense deficient, since we have to include the great Brett Favre and Terry Bradshaw as huge successes, and they were not known for being otherwise cerebral.