Cowboys vs Falcons: Week 2

[Horn80 6313]

33 minutes ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

Nah, I used to live there and they're totally used to it.

Ya, after blowing the SB game this is nothing knew.  I can’t think of another team except for the Vikings that are world class chokers.

[A’Dam Psycho 1490]

1 hour ago, Dr. Beeper said:

CeeDee led the team in receiving and went over 100 yards in his 2nd game ever. People here are underwhelmed by him?  Lol. 

Lol he already looks better than Randle Cobb all of last year. Might end up being better than Beasley by the end of this season

[A’Dam Psycho 1490]

Going for 2 there might’ve indirectly saved our ass. 

[LTtxfan 49906]

Make this guy burn his Philly Jersey after this stunt...

 

[Coach pop a bitch 5889]

 

[SurlyBDR 23103]

[Coach pop a bitch 5889]

 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 hour ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Going for 2 there might’ve indirectly saved our ass. 

Ha it would’ve been very cowboys of us to come all the way back just to fuck up the two point conversion at the end. That thought never crossed my mind, but you’re absolutely right. 

[utee94 16065]

Just got home from drinking and watching football all day long.  Holy shit, that might be the absolute worst game I've seen played in a long time,. and yet also the most awesome in so many way.  

On the onsides kickoff, watching their players inexplicably back-peddle?  And the going for 2 unnecessarily?  And the 3 turnovers and 20-0 margin in the first quarter?  And still winning?

I love this game.  Go Cowboys!

 

[BurntOrange&White 41646]

Wrong thread

[Deej 77667]

27 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Just got home from drinking and watching football all day long.  Holy shit, that might be the absolute worst game I've seen played in a long time,. and yet also the most awesome in so many way.  

On the onsides kickoff, watching their players inexplicably back-peddle?  And the going for 2 unnecessarily?  And the 3 turnovers and 20-0 margin in the first quarter?  And still winning?

I love this game.  Go Cowboys!

 

That spinning ball just hypnotized Atlanta. 

[Augustus 3061]

Julio Jones going all "Look mom, no hands!" didn't hurt.

[Huckleberry 34404]

Does @TXSooner518 still post around here? 

This was the moment we've been waiting for. An NFL coach went for two after scoring a touchdown late to pull within 9, he did it for the exact right reason, and he explained it properly. 

[C-Man 27684]

They should change that onside kick rule to where no one can tough it before 10 yds. Would make it far more interesting

Just read this in The Atlantic:


1.) How did that onside kick work? Greg Zuerlein has never used it before in a game. They have worked on it recently in practice. The new onside kick rules made it possible.

“With the new rules, you have to have something slow where your guys can get to the ball,” Zuerlein explained. “In years past, you could run, so you do different things. But now, you’ve got to have something slow. It gives our guys a chance to block and hop on it.”

Goodwin, who recovered the kick, said he was told that the Falcons couldn’t touch it until it went 10 yards.

“I knew we were going to get that ball,” Goodwin said. “I told some of my teammates. They’ve never seen an onside kick like that. And with the new rules, they can’t touch the ball, either. I figured they were going to stand there looking crazy. So I just pounced on the ball when I got the opportunity.”

[Wanker Bob 379]

9 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

Just read this in The Atlantic:


1.) How did that onside kick work? Greg Zuerlein has never used it before in a game. They have worked on it recently in practice. The new onside kick rules made it possible.

“With the new rules, you have to have something slow where your guys can get to the ball,” Zuerlein explained. “In years past, you could run, so you do different things. But now, you’ve got to have something slow. It gives our guys a chance to block and hop on it.”

Goodwin, who recovered the kick, said he was told that the Falcons couldn’t touch it until it went 10 yards.

“I knew we were going to get that ball,” Goodwin said. “I told some of my teammates. They’ve never seen an onside kick like that. And with the new rules, they can’t touch the ball, either. I figured they were going to stand there looking crazy. So I just pounced on the ball when I got the opportunity.”

 

According to this the receiving team can get it whenever they want just like it's always been. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-pull-off-miraculous-win-after-falcons-appear-to-forget-crucial-nfl-rules-on-dallas-onside-kick/

[Pato del Muerto 53330]

If the cowboys and falcons both thought that the receiving team couldn’t touch it before 10 yards, then something is amiss. 

[Fudbelty 2801]

I didn’t think it ever changed as to where the receiving team could touch it. It’s always been whenever they want to in my mind. Only thing is once it’s touched then it’s a live ball for anyone to recover.

[Pato del Muerto 53330]

Did anyone notice how zeurline kicked the shit out of the game winner though?  46 and it hit the net near the top of the goal posts. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[Jive Turkey 12930]

15 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Does @TXSooner518 still post around here? 

This was the moment we've been waiting for. An NFL coach went for two after scoring a touchdown late to pull within 9, he did it for the exact right reason, and he explained it properly. 

and every single member of the Dallas media disagrees with McCarthy.  hell, i used to disagree with you and TxSooner, but i'm on board now.

you two were the first guys i thought of when it went down.

[Trey3216 15450]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Did anyone notice how zeurline kicked the shut out of the game winner though?  46 and it hit the net near the top of the goal posts. 

I don’t think it’s a stretch that it would’ve been good from 70 

[orangecat92 306]

Thought I had seen every kind of onside kick.  After seeing this, I thought of the ball resembling a fidget spinner.  I still think the best onside kick ever was our kicker in the NC game against Bama.  Kick it directly at a players chest, bounce off and boom there it is.  

[mulletpelini 5220]

9 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

I don’t think it’s a stretch that it would’ve been good from 70 

It's a big stretch.  Did anyone else get flashbacks to Pat Summerall when they showed Moose in the booth?  HOLY SHIT

[Huckleberry 34404]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29944126/why-did-cowboys-go-2-9-points-all-knowing-future

We can marvel at how unlikely the Dallas Cowboys' 40-39 comeback win over the Atlanta Falcons was in Week 2, but what's really fascinating is how it was even possible. I'm not talking about just the onside-kick recovery. I'm talking about how that sequence of events ever came about.

Down by 15 points with just under five minutes to play, Dak Prescott hit Dalton Schultz for a 10-yard touchdown pass. The Cowboys now trailed by nine points, pending either the extra point or a 2-point attempt. Convention says to stay in the game as long as possible -- kick the extra point to make it a one-possession game. But the smart thing to do is to go for two. It's like peering into the future.

Think of it this way: If a team is down by 15 with time dwindling, the most plausible path to victory -- by far -- is to tie the score with one 7-point score and one 8-point score, while holding the opponent scoreless. Convention says to take the 7-point score early, then hope to convert a 2-point play on the second score. Kicking the extra point first keeps the team's hopes alive and delays virtual elimination from contention for as long as possible.

But wouldn't it be a shame if a team came back from down 15 points and scored two touchdowns to get within a final two-point conversion -- only to fail? What if that team could look into the future and know whether the conversion attempt succeeds, and then play the rest of the game with that knowledge in hand? That's exactly what the Cowboys did on Sunday.

And yes, they failed. Here's what coach Mike McCarthy said about the play. Either way, though, McCarthy & Co. made the decision based on knowledge. The Cowboys knew, at the very least, that they needed to score two touchdowns and convert a 2-point conversion to tie. So instead of delaying the decision on the inevitable 2-point attempt, it was better to know what they needed to try to win the game.

Because the 2-point attempt's result was already known, Dallas had the knowledge that it would need more than another touchdown. It pulled within 2 points of Atlanta with a touchdown drive just inside the two-minute warning. Prescott and the offense scored fast, taking only 1:08 to reach the end zone -- and this is key -- leaving enough time for an onside kick and subsequent field goal drive to win the game, none of which would have occurred if the Cowboys were not aware they needed two scores rather than just one.

In short, they were no worse off going for two on the first touchdown rather than a second. And the knowledge of how that try would turn out was like looking into a crystal ball, giving them the opportunity to react by playing for two scores rather than one.

Since 2001 there have been 12 2-point attempts from teams down nine points in the fourth quarter. (It's amazing there were any at all given the criticism and misunderstanding directed at McCarthy.) Two of those were with far too little time to matter. Of the remaining 10, three succeeded in scoring the 2-point conversion.

Nine of the 10 teams lost their game. The only winner was Dallas on Sunday. It's rare that a coach knows to do this. It's even rarer that it all came together for a win.

[Drew 2833]

I just don't understand how people would still be arguing against that now.  The issue was NOT the decision to go for 2. The problem was the play call all along.