No, Mike Leach, YOU'RE awesome! [Pirates Last Voyage]

[Zeus 6848]

10 hours ago, NoName said:

conference titles? sure. 15 in the last 23 years.

but since Switzer left OU in 88, Texas and OU have the same number of national championships.

since 2000, Texas and OU have the same number of national championships. that includes the worst decade in the history of Texas football. that includes, by winning % 3 of the worst 7 coaches in Texas history. that includes, by winning %, 2 of the 3 worst coaches in Texas history (Strong and Sark)

OU is absolutely not Ohio State, who haven't missed on hiring a head coach since like 1946 when they hired a guy who was there for one year and still won 55% of his games. literally, since 1900 that's their worst full time coach.

here is OU since Switzer left:

• Gary Gibbs, 62.5%
• Schnellenbarger, 50%
• John Blake, 35.3%
• Stoops, 79.8%
• Lincoln Riley, 84.6% (higher than Switzer, higher than Bud Wilkinson
• Brett Venables, 46.1% --> for comparison, Charlie Strong was at 44.4%.

Venables is much closer to John Blake than he is Bob Stoops. next year is make or break for him, and personally i have little faith in him not being who he showed everyone he was last year.

now, does OU have a ton of institutional buy in ? yes. do they have a great AD? absolutely. but let's not act like they have some institutional long level of success in hiring great coaches and only great coaches.

Fuck OU

[AUS-97HORN 12050]

2 hours ago, n64ra said:

Doesn't UM claim 11 titles and tOSU claim 8?

I forget the exact number, but if we used the Bama (pre-2009)/USC/Aggy method we could claim multiple other titles. 

[Tommy Shelby 189]

On 2/27/2023 at 7:57 AM, NoName said:

conference titles? sure. 15 in the last 23 years.

but since Switzer left OU in 88, Texas and OU have the same number of national championships.

since 2000, Texas and OU have the same number of national championships. that includes the worst decade in the history of Texas football. that includes, by winning % 3 of the worst 7 coaches in Texas history. that includes, by winning %, 2 of the 3 worst coaches in Texas history (Strong and Sark)

OU is absolutely not Ohio State, who haven't missed on hiring a head coach since like 1946 when they hired a guy who was there for one year and still won 55% of his games. literally, since 1900 that's their worst full time coach.

here is OU since Switzer left:

• Gary Gibbs, 62.5%
• Schnellenbarger, 50%
• John Blake, 35.3%
• Stoops, 79.8%
• Lincoln Riley, 84.6% (higher than Switzer, higher than Bud Wilkinson
• Brett Venables, 46.1% --> for comparison, Charlie Strong was at 44.4%.

Venables is much closer to John Blake than he is Bob Stoops. next year is make or break for him, and personally i have little faith in him not being who he showed everyone he was last year.

now, does OU have a ton of institutional buy in ? yes. do they have a great AD? absolutely. but let's not act like they have some institutional long level of success in hiring great coaches and only great coaches.

Very good points. You’re right about the National Championship thing, and I didn’t think out the coaching timeline I didn’t think that far into it. The obvious argument is number of trips to the NC, but nobody remembers the loser haha. Venables doesn’t seem like he’s going to be the answer, I never got the feeling that he was HC material. He reminds me a little of Coach O. He may have a random amazing year because of the recruits and the coaches around him, but he’ll end up crashing it into the ground. 

[DFW Horn 6650]

On 2/27/2023 at 8:20 PM, AUS-97HORN said:

I forget the exact number, but if we used the Bama (pre-2009)/USC/Aggy method we could claim multiple other titles. 

We could claim 9 the Bama/USC/aggy way, but UT doesn't.

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/How-many-national-titles-can-the-Texas-Longhorns-claim-28834307/

Edited March 21, 2023 by DFW Horn

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

On 2/27/2023 at 8:20 PM, AUS-97HORN said:

I forget the exact number, but if we used the Bama (pre-2009)/USC/Aggy method we could claim multiple other titles. 

We should at least claim 1914

[Mr. Drummond 2244]

We should just claim the 4.   But if anyone brings it up be able to drop "well if we did it like you aggy, we would have 9, but we don't do it that way because that's pathetic"

You get to have the number 9 out there and also be arrogant. 

#onbrand.  

[Kennythetiger 9620]

Hopefully we don’t become the Nebraska of the SEC. 

[Deej 77809]

2 hours ago, Kennythetiger said:

Hopefully we don’t become the Nebraska of the SEC. 

[Jkwellborn 7032]

I was in a bookstore this week while I was on vacation. Nearly bought a copy of Swing Your Sword.

[Scholz 12305]

We’ve both won as well as played for a national title more recently than blowu.

[Tommy Shelby 189]

1 hour ago, Scholz said:

We’ve both won as well as played for a national title more recently than blowu.

That’s a good point, but they’ve more recently made the playoffs. 

[Scholz 12305]

14 hours ago, Tommy Shelby said:

That’s a good point, but they’ve more recently made the playoffs. 

True but they always lose because their Oline and DBs aren’t allowed to hold on every play in those games.

[Tex Pete 21483]

16 hours ago, Tommy Shelby said:

That’s a good point, but they’ve more recently made the playoffs. 

What do you win for making the playoffs?

[futureman 22692]

On 4/8/2023 at 9:55 PM, Scholz said:

We’ve both won as well as played for a national title more recently than blowu.

we and who else?

[futureman 22692]

ok ‘both’ is for won and played in.  we’ve done both those things.  I thought you were saying “we’ve both” like we and nebraska and I was confused. 

[ChickenNuggets 1661]

On 4/8/2023 at 9:16 PM, Jkwellborn said:

I was in a bookstore this week while I was on vacation. Nearly bought a copy of Swing Your Sword.

your vacations kinda suck don't they?

 

kidding.... just kidding

[Jkwellborn 7032]

your vacations kinda suck don't they?
 
kidding.... just kidding

I mean, sorta because I don’t like travel. It was just a week off of work that I had planned while the kids were out of school so I could hang out with them and get some “spring” cleaning done. Mother Nature fucked me on that.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

 

Please tell me Tech at least reached out and got the blessing of Leaches widow/family on this, last I recall reading he was still not on great terms with Tech after how he was let go.

CJK5H

[LTtxfan 49991]

      RIP MIKE... 

[Tex Long 4661]

Some of you surly lawyers need to get on this, fast. Contact family and Tech. This sort of name usage, particularly in the circumstances, pretty much has to be illegal unless family signs off on it. Could be a pretty nice payday - god nose Tech fucking well owes it.

[Zeus 6848]

Does Craig James also get inducted into the hall of fame too for killing five hookers while at SMU?

It's crazy because Craig James killed five hookers at SMU

How does someone like Craig James kill five hookers at SMU?

Craig James Killed Five Hookers at SMU

unreal

Craig James Killed Five Hookers at SMU

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=craig+james+killed+five+hookers+at+smu

[Laxtonto 13275]

2 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

 

Please tell me Tech at least reached out and got the blessing of Leaches widow/family on this, last I recall reading he was still not on great terms with Tech after how he was let go.

CJK5H

[n64ra 1150]

6 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

 

Please tell me Tech at least reached out and got the blessing of Leaches widow/family on this, last I recall reading he was still not on great terms with Tech after how he was let go.

CJK5H

What a slap to the face. Have to wait for Leach to die before doing that because he'd say hell no if he were still alive.

[msucolt45 4227]

When WSU played in the Valero Alamo Bowl!
My son holding the sign I made.

Hook’em!!!

[butthurt 1568]

[Guest]

11 hours ago, n64ra said:

What a slap to the face. Have to wait for Leach to die before doing that because he'd say hell no if he were still alive.

Not sure I agree with this.  Of course we will never know if Leach would have declined,   but GOBs aside, Leach is still very much beloved and respected by Tech fans.  There’s a significant rift that exists within our fan base to this day because of continued support of TSO.  Mike was absolutely aware of those feelings.

Mike would likely have quipped something about having to die to get in or whatever.

Edited June 15, 2023 by slorch

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

46 minutes ago, slorch said:

Not sure I agree with this.  Of course we will never know if Leach would have declined,   but GOBs aside, Leach is still very much beloved and respected by Tech fans.  There’s a significant rift that exists within our fan base to this day because of continued support of TSO.  Mike was absolutely aware of those feelings.

Mike would likely have quipped something about having to die to get in or whatever.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2022/mike-leach-records-lawsuits-1234698384/

 

Pretty sure I have a good idea what Mike Leach, who was willing to rack up $20k-30k in legal fees a month with Wayne Dolcefino fighting open records lawsuits against Texas Tech, would have said to anyone at Texas Tech about accepting anything other than a big check and an apology:

 

 

[DFW Horn 6650]

 

[runthebone 8373]

[burntorangebongos 10826]

I hope Mrs. Leach embarrasses the fuck out of them. No way he would have allowed it, imo.   They fucked him over and cemented themselves as a chicken shit outfit. Unreal.

[Longboard Horn 41350]

Hopefully they pay his family for the 2009 season.... but I doubt it. Judas Tech, they will forever live in damnation for betraying their savior.

[cochamps 1885]

So were the main culprits in pushing Leach out Kent Hance and Gerald Myers?  Don't have a clear recollection at this point.

[msucolt45 4227]

Notice that he doesn’t have a “Cheesecake Factory” menu in his hand.

Hook’em!!!

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

Hopefully they pay his family for the 2009 season.... but I doubt it. Judas Tech, they will forever live in damnation for betraying their savior.

He was paid for the 2009 season, but fired the day before he was eligible for an $800k bonus, which he had by all measures except being employed that day, earned..

Edited June 24, 2023 by slorch

[Longboard Horn 41350]

9 minutes ago, slorch said:

He was paid for the 2009 season, but fired the day before he was eligible for an $800k bonus, which he had by all measures except being employed that day, earned..

Thanks for clearing that up. Leach made it seem like Tech didn't pay him at all.

[Magus Ossis 2997]

6 hours ago, cochamps said:

So were the main culprits in pushing Leach out Kent Hance and Gerald Myers?  Don't have a clear recollection at this point.

Both of those guys were only bosses of record. It was a donor issue.

[Tex Long 4661]

12 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Both of those guys were only bosses of record. It was a donor issue.

Those "donors" - you reckon they're pretty pleased with the parade of coaches since they shitcanned the Pirate?

 

[cochamps 1885]

21 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Both of those guys were only bosses of record. It was a donor issue.

Since the issue was not paying the Pirate a bonus, that ssems like a school rather than donor issue.  @slorch, other Techsters how did you see this?

[Magus Ossis 2997]

I have a couple of friends/colleagues whose families are among those who still tell themselves good riddance. They use his never disclosed officially but often speculated private life to tell themselves that “he had to go.”

 

edit families who were in the crowd that ran him off

Edited June 24, 2023 by Magus Ossis

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, cochamps said:

Since the issue was not paying the Pirate a bonus, that ssems like a school rather than donor issue.  @slorch, other Techsters how did you see this?

It was handled as badly as possibly, due to short-sightedness and infantile leadership styles.  Donors were involved, but they were selfish and fucked-up donors who valued access to golf games and barbecues more than winning.

It still reflects negatively on Tech.  It was trumped up bullshit that never should have seen the light of day.  Leach offended their sensibilities by demanding to be paid market value.  They were just looking for an excuse, and that came in the form of shithead Adam James/ Craig James family.

[ABSR 5369]

22 hours ago, slorch said:

He was paid for the 2009 season, but fired the day before he was eligible for an $800k bonus, which he had by all measures except being employed that day, earned..

And my understanding is his contract was guaranteed, so he should have gotten the bonus….but they used the fake James BS to fire for cause and hence not have to pay.   Which was later shown that they knew was BS.
 

Then Tech went down the sovereign immunity path of it doesn’t matter that we violated the contract and law, you can’t sue us unless we let you.

[gernblansten 3259]

15 hours ago, slorch said:

It was trumped up bullshit that never should have seen the light of day.  Leach offended their sensibilities by demanding to be paid market value.  They were just looking for an excuse, and that came in the form of shithead Adam James/ Craig James family.

And, isn’t the trumped up bullshit James “firing for cause” excuse the reason they still owe him part of his contract? 

[Bama Llama 1508]

18 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

They use his never disclosed officially but often speculated private life to tell themselves that “he had to go.”

I must have missed something. Anyone, please enlighten me. What part of Coach’s private life justified these assholes ending his job?

[Magus Ossis 2997]

1 hour ago, Bama Llama said:

I must have missed something. Anyone, please enlighten me. What part of Coach’s private life justified these assholes ending his job?

I won’t dignify the cruelty by going through it, but it basically involves alcohol. Mike RIP; we miss you!

[Wally Fairway 5674]

5 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

I won’t dignify the cruelty by going through it, but it basically involves alcohol. Mike RIP; we miss you!

I would be disappointed in a pirate who didn't drink rum 

[BluTechsan 394]

Of course, Mike could have waited a day, and therefore still qualify for the bonus due to still being employed instead of taking Tech to court over being suspended - not fired - suspended  - which occurred first and people conveniently forget happened.

There was dumbassery by all parties involved.

Edited June 27, 2023 by BluTechsan

[hpslugga 4097]

39 minutes ago, BluTechsan said:

Of course, Mike could have waited a day, and therefore still qualify for the bonus due to still being employed instead of taking Tech to court over being suspended - not fired - suspended  - which occurred first and people conveniently forget happened.

There was dumbassery by all parties involved.

It wasn’t a both sides issue, and I’ve yet to see a single person that “forgets” Leach was suspended first. What people do forget to use is the word “wrongfully.” As in “Mike Leach was wrongfully suspended and subsequently wrongfully fired.” Yes, there are certain defenders of the faith in Kent Hance and Craig James’ provably false make believe and pretend bedtime stories that do indeed forget to use that word. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. Sports bring out the stupid in everyone. After all, there are still people who believe in Mike Nifong.

[BluTechsan 394]

40 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

It wasn’t a both sides issue, and I’ve yet to see a single person that “forgets” Leach was suspended first. What people do forget to use is the word “wrongfully.” As in “Mike Leach was wrongfully suspended and subsequently wrongfully fired.” Yes, there are certain defenders of the faith in Kent Hance and Craig James’ provably false make believe and pretend bedtime stories that do indeed forget to use that word. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. Sports bring out the stupid in everyone. After all, there are still people who believe in Mike Nifong.

Ok, perhaps no one has forgotten.

But I can garrandamntee you that 14 years later there are folks that have no clue whatsoever about the suspension

[Magus Ossis 2997]

1 minute ago, BluTechsan said:

Ok, perhaps no one has forgotten.

But I can garrandamntee you that 14 years later there are folks that have no clue whatsoever about the suspension

This is no doubt true in our world of widespread ignorance. But they were never going to pay Leach. To suggest otherwise is fatuous at best. Leach underestimated how petty and self destructive (and destructive of what they professed to defend) the people who ostensibly want the best for Tech were willing to be. He may have been happier in the final analysis; he received better treatment elsewhere once he got back into coaching.

[BluTechsan 394]

2 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

This is no doubt true in our world of widespread ignorance. But they were never going to pay Leach. To suggest otherwise is fatuous at best. Leach underestimated how petty and self destructive (and destructive of what they professed to defend) the people who ostensibly want the best for Tech were willing to be. He may have been happier in the final analysis; he received better treatment elsewhere once he got back into coaching.

Things had soured, no doubt.

But I cannot say with certainty that had he served the suspension that a firing would still have occurred.