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4 hours ago, Foosters said:

To be clear, the people who usually whine the loudest about CR, are the same folks who are fine posting the political opinions that they agree with all over the board. Because those aren't political opinions, simply inviolable truths.

There are multiple posters on the Ukraine DT thread who will explain why the Trump admin will be good for Ukraine. If you push back, they call you a CR troll. See also, the Israel-Hamas thread. Pronghorn spams DT with anti-LGBTQ accounts on a daily basis. I've never seen the "keep it in the CR" folks complain about that. In fact, they'll defend his right to do so if you attack him.

Does it upset the "CR sucks" folks that the "business and markets" thread is a place to criticize the Biden admin? I see some of you posting in that forum regularly who are some of the most vocal proponents of getting rid of the CR. But again, if its an opinion you agree with, you're fine with it on any forum.

So forgive me if it seems like you care less about keeping the CR in the CR, and more about not seeing opinions that run counter to your own.

There sure is a lot of bitchassedness among certain posters and it's not the CR "cabal." 

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21 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t. I never should’ve offered feedback. I saw several others that shared my sentiment and I spoke up in agreement, and perhaps unlike them, I post in CR.  I do not care that a person I do not know, and does not know me, thinks I’m an idiot.

He’s probably right that the issues that me and others have written about here wouldn’t change, specifically, what he’s talking about.  I probably shifted his concern to what irks ME about this place, and I know it irks a large swath of posters here.  However, he continues to insist that pervasive and divisive political talk here isn’t an issue, and he’s wrong. It’s an obvious fix, too. But it’s also really easy to just walk away from, so the State of Surly doesn’t crack the Top 25 of my life’s concerns. 

What’s the ballpark word count of the top 25 on an average day?

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What’s the ballpark word count of the top 25 on an average day?

None. Feelings. Money, kids’ school, marriage, work concerns, investment concerns, vacations, watches, Argentina work trip, drinking, my weight, my health, my mortality, my Dad’s health, my kids’ health, my insurance premiums, my insurance coverage, my status as a soon-to-be owner of 5 cars. Off top of my head. All concerns of varying import. Nothing ever vocalized  or discussed here. All weigh on me. 

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5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Glad I provided feedback and can’t wait to get a membership and provide $ to your site. 

I'm sure you were just on the verge of doing that. Sites only been around since 2018. 

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37 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

my status as a soon-to-be owner of 5 cars.

This is a legit issue. I am trending towards a fleet vehicle maintenance situation atm. I'd like to find a little slice of land and put a metal building on it to turn into a shop. 

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It's paystub time isn't it . . .  it's gonna happen . . . right?

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

 

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15 minutes ago, F250 said:

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

 

My oldest just got his driver's license and i added him to our auto insurance today, so this hits close to home. Ouch.

As for the site, have any specific forums shown any growth over the last couple years?

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

bunch of free loaders who never donate, never pay, have never seen ads sitting here telling me about anything is also a fucking take. Don't participate in NIL, etc etc. 

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

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I am seeing a whole bunch of folks that are being forced to post here and read threads against their will. We need to get someone on it asap. Who is forcing these people to read/post? I am going to reach out to KXAN and see if they will investigate. Something isn't right.

 

Nah, it is just idiots that don't know how to regulate and are offended when people draw them into a situation where they are forced to realize their inadequacies. Buncha unrealized self hatred. Sad.

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19 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

I don’t get this hostility. He busts his ass to make the site available and working. It’s not a money maker. Why do you have to be such a jerk about it when he’s just trying to figure out how to keep viewership up and get enough money in the door to pay the server costs, etc. 

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20 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

So leave? Nobody would care and sounds like you have nothing worth your time here

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22 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

I saw you at at least one and I think two of the Lee Harvey meetups - post Shaggy-era. You clearly gave a fuck at one point - rather recently.

If you don't want to post here anymore then that's fine but a lot of us still enjoy the site. I don't know why you need to go all scorched-earth on the business model or imma.

I would love to quit this place but I just can't. The user-base is too fucking good. Anytime I go anywhere else it amazes me how fucking dumb the discussion is. Surly maintains a standard that (I assume - because I wasn't there) goes back decades at this point. 

We're a bunch of wicked smart, substance-abusing neruodivergents that take the piss out of everything and never let anyone off the hook for some bullshit, regurgitated opinion. Some of us are Texas grads - some aren't. And - whenever anyone needs to get vulnerable or has some real-life shit going on - we drop all the silly shit and get real and compassionate and empathetic in a hurry.

If this place isn't for you anymore then that's fine but I think @immamac works his ass off to protect the identity and for the most part I think he does a really damn good job. 

Cultivating something like this is rare and it's why a lot of us have tens of thousands of posts here. It's just... different. And a lot of us believe that that's worth hanging on to. 

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I saw you at at least one and I think two of the Lee Harvey meetups - post Shaggy-era. You clearly gave a fuck at one point - rather recently.

If you don't want to post here anymore then that's fine but a lot of us still enjoy the site. I don't know why you need to go all scorched-earth on the business model or imma.

I would love to quit this place but I just can't. The user-base is too fucking good. Anytime I go anywhere else it amazes me how fucking dumb the discussion is. Surly maintains a standard that (I assume - because I wasn't there) goes back decades at this point. 

We're a bunch of wicked smart, substance-abusing neruodivergents that take the piss out of everything and never let anyone off the hook for some bullshit, regurgitated opinion. Some of us are Texas grads - some aren't. And - whenever anyone needs to get vulnerable or has some real-life shit going on - we drop all the silly shit and get real and compassionate and empathetic in a hurry.

If this place isn't for you anymore then that's fine but I think @immamac works his ass off to protect the identity and for the most part I think he does a really damn good job. 

Cultivating something like this is rare and it's why a lot of us have tens of thousands of posts here. It's just... different. And a lot of us believe that that's worth hanging on to. 

You know you can tease him at first. You don’t have to pull the whole thing in your mouth right away. 

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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I don’t get this hostility. He busts his ass to make the site available and working. It’s not a money maker. Why do you have to be such a jerk about it when he’s just trying to figure out how to keep viewership up and get enough money in the door to pay the server costs, etc. 

Is he? 

I didn't ask for your feedback, I am telling all of you what is happening. This isn't a "help me I need this site to succeed and grow" thread, this is a this fucking site is dying and twitter embeds and generally the internet has really fucked up how places like this site survive.

Would be helpful if we could clear up whether or not he cares that people donate because I’m at a loss.

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20 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The discussion board is a dying medium. Immamac has this sniffed out. You can tweak the content delivery options, but the reality is that this is largely a GenX thing. Pre-algo shit. Where people could actually hone arguments in exchanges with other human beings through the magics of the internets.  

It may well be dying, but it has more intrinsic value in the sense you just specified, than all the rest combined.

There is some damned good discussion and information in here.

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

Exactly this. Why I need a shop. These $1500 trips to the mechanic will eat your shit up quick. 

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8 hours ago, immamac said:

 

 

 

 

You are all completely wrong. The problem is that everyone thinks this stuff is serious and they can't joke about it, because it isn't funny to them. 

Younger people (15 years younger) think this stuff is funny.  There's a ton of stuff to make fun of and be absurdist about. Everyone here is just too old and too "mature" to joke about some of this stuff and are starting to get worn down in real life because the internet isn't a fucking game, it's real llife now. 

This is why we need young people to come here, to bring the silly side back and have an irreverence for what's going on and create the funny silly spin on it. 

 

It's telling you think the insults being thrown at posters with opposing political beliefs are funny and joke worthy.  There are posts wishing literal harm and death on people because they're on the other side of the aisle. We teach our kids that's bullying.  But apparently after they graduate from college it's funny to you.

 

And freeloading? You might own it now but this is a message board that blacklab built which you happened to be a part of. The content here is a collection of several thousand posters' input, insight, and creativeness. You didn't generate this. I appreciate the work you've put into running and maintaining the website and the vision you have with NIL but you've lost the perspective of what made this board great in the first place. 

 

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6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

I appreciate this site. I am also going to just start negging spanky for every post going forward. Showed ass in CR then comes here to bitch about....checks notes....CR.  

Just fuck off @Spankytoes. Go fly off into oblivion ❄️. Godspeed dude.

Could you quote the part where I bitched about CR in my post? 
 

Don’t forget to neg!

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9 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

There are posts wishing literal harm and death on people because they're on the other side of the aisle.

Let me see those. Quote them. 

I'm honestly curious. I avoid the CR for a reason but if stuff like that is going on there I'd love to know. 

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Let me see those. Quote them. 

I'm honestly curious. I avoid the CR for a reason but if stuff like that is going on there I'd love to know. 

I think by “people” he means public figures and not fellow posters here. 
 

eta. Never mind. I think your interpretation was correct. 

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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Either way his post is dogshit. 

Absolutely. It goes to show that the old meme of “internet, serious business” that imma touched on yesterday is a problem. This place has the same problems that every message board deals with. 

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34 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

Absolutely. It goes to show that the old meme of “internet, serious business” that imma touched on yesterday is a problem. This place has the same problems that every message board deals with. 

Not worth it 

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Just now, Da Fino said:

Just PM what you said then. I guarantee it won’t upset me. 

It wasn’t directed at you. I just happened to quote your post. It was supportive of @gsoda3’s post, while also agreeing with you that this isn’t serious business and this site is moderated fairly. I just don’t care to get into a pissing match with imma. 

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Let me see those. Quote them. 

I'm honestly curious. I avoid the CR for a reason but if stuff like that is going on there I'd love to know. 

It goes down there. I'd quote the posts here, but tbh one of the worst rhetorical posters when it comes to this stuff is working through some real life personal shit at the moment, and it just doesn't feel right to spin that stuff up right now. 

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13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It goes down there. I'd quote the posts here, but tbh one of the worst rhetorical posters when it comes to this stuff is working through some real life personal shit at the moment, and it just doesn't feel right to spin that stuff up right now. 

Well... that's extremely unfortunate and I don't think that should be the experience for anyone here. I would hope it's being moderated appropriately. Granted, it isn't surprising.

There are a ton of posters here that I love  that are heavy CR posters that I don't particularly align with politically. If you go to the CR looking to be a dickhead and wanting trouble then you're going to find it. If you go to the CR wanting to simply express a contrarian viewpoint then you may still find trouble. I mean it fucking is what it is.

I respect that space for what it is and if you (you meaning any posters here) do the same then it really shouldn't get in the way of your experience on Surly for the rest of the boards. 

Politically - I bet that @Js1, @trophand @Brisketexan all find me a bit right-leaning for their tastes and probably a bit of a cunt at times. 

That said - I think I get along pretty amicably with all three of them and us four are four of the most voluminous posters on the site. 

I'm still a major fucking asshole here sometimes, but I'm a lot better than I used to be and that shit matters to me. The longer I'm here, the more this feels like a family. It let's me reflect a lot on who I am as a man and how I treat people and the respective way that they treat me.

Sorry for penning another essay tonight but I really fuck with this community and it's seriously inimitable. I'm still a "newer" name here but I've been here closing on 7 years. 

Again - I think @immamac does a really fucking good job running this place. Some of y'all disagree. That's fine. I hope I can keep coming to Surly and being a degenerate asshole for another 7 years at least. 

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We just got fucking road raged against tonight driving home from dinner. It was intense and not minor shit. We called 911.
 

it’s time to be kind folks. And this is coming from someone who is under severe targeting politically.
 

Fucking knock it off. Be kind. And for Christ sakes if you spend time here daily sign up to help support the site. 

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12 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Yup. The most frequent posters on those two boards set a disgusting tone of unchecked hostility that's permeated into the other forums.  

Disagree. Most of the prolific posters in CR do a decent job keeping it there. I certainly do. 

as for hostilities generally, the tone the last two weeks nationally have invoked wide spread fear and anger. It’s what we have here. Half the country is “fuck yeah!” The other half is “oh fuck!” It’s not good. 
 

the only way to combat that is to be kind to one another. That’s the only power we have. 

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13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We unfortunately live in a world where the car you were riding in is relevant. Was it the Tesla or the Porsche?

I don’t want to dox myself if he’s a member of this site. But think about statements I may or may not make with my vehicles. Please just keep that to yourself but you are on the right track.  But in case I might be doing so, my A350 double action is loaded and unlocked, 8 shells in, each shell with 12 half inch slugs ready to fuck up an intruder.

be kind to each other (unless you assault me then watch out)

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10 hours ago, immamac said:

Generally speaking we don't need ALL YOUNG PEOPLE to come here and post. We need people like @Tex48 etc. recent grads who have a good sense of humor, know how to use the internet and like to come and meet people at the tailgates. I don't even really know how he ended up here. 

If we had 20-50 new young posters per year who were fanatics about recruiting, football etc. that would be enough to really change the overall tone here. We aren't trying to chase thousands or millions of users growth we are trying to keep the conversation from getting stale and too serious/boring/bad. 

MM stats with a shitty Duke team weren't actually that far off from QE, and QE had a pretty meh year for the majority of the season, he really started to come on very late in the season. I still think MM is a good QB, I don't think he's better than QE, but I do think he wouldn't have been the dropoff that some of you think he would have been had QE gone to the draft. MM would also be done after last year and Arch would be starting next season so it all is moot at this point and just a fun "whatif" scenario. 

I could go set up a table on the west mall and croot kids to join our cul… I mean site. I could even wear a unicorn shirt that says I dare you to touch my boobs. I could probably convince my wife to come and we could romance each other. She would take the dare. That’s what young grads want right? Fifty year old gold star lesbian and her trans wife with a unicorn shirt necking to convince them surly is the place to be.  We could even offer one month of free membership if they invite a friend, preferably a female friend for the thirsty bearded old dad bods on site.  

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1 minute ago, troph said:

I could go set up a table on the west mall and croot kids to join our cul… I mean site. I could even wear a unicorn shirt that says I dare you to touch my boobs. I could probably convince my wife to come and we could romance each other. She would take the dare. That’s what young grads want right? Old gold star lesbian and her trans wife with a unicorn shirt necking to convince them surly is the place to be.  We could even offer one month of free membership if they invite a friend, preferably a female friend for the thirsty bearded old dad bods on site.  

I miss the West Mall. 

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37 minutes ago, troph said:

We just got fucking road raged against tonight driving home from dinner. It was intense and not minor shit. We called 911.
 

it’s time to be kind folks. And this is coming from someone who is under severe targeting politically.
 

Fucking knock it off. Be kind. And for Christ sakes if you spend time here daily sign up to help support the site. 

 

32 minutes ago, troph said:

Disagree. Most of the prolific posters in CR do a decent job keeping it there. I certainly do. 

as for hostilities generally, the tone the last two weeks nationally have invoked wide spread fear and anger. It’s what we have here. Half the country is “fuck yeah!” The other half is “oh fuck!” It’s not good. 
 

the only way to combat that is to be kind to one another. That’s the only power we have. 

 

31 minutes ago, troph said:

I don’t want to dox myself if he’s a member of this site. But think about statements I may or may not make with my vehicles. Please just keep that to yourself but you are on the right track.  But in case I might be doing so, my A350 double action is loaded and unlocked, 8 shells in, each shell with 12 half inch slugs ready to fuck up an intruder.

be kind to each other (unless you assault me then watch out)

 

22 minutes ago, troph said:

I could go set up a table on the west mall and croot kids to join our cul… I mean site. I could even wear a unicorn shirt that says I dare you to touch my boobs. I could probably convince my wife to come and we could romance each other. She would take the dare. That’s what young grads want right? Fifty year old gold star lesbian and her trans wife with a unicorn shirt necking to convince them surly is the place to be.  We could even offer one month of free membership if they invite a friend, preferably a female friend for the thirsty bearded old dad bods on site.  

Did you read my post where I mentioned you and talked about the site as a whole? Or did you just come here and angrily fire off 4 posts. Guessing the latter. 

A lot of us are down to be kind but you have to be kind yourself. Threatening gun violence isn't kind. You aren't displaying a kind tone in any of those posts, really. 

Shit is tough right now and I get that and I'm sympathetic. I'm frankly down to blow shit up and get violent and get wild myself. But I'm not sure what that would solve right now. 

YMMV.

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10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

 

 

 

Did you read my post where I mentioned you and talked about the site as a whole? Or did you just come here and angrily fire off 4 posts. Guessing the latter. 

A lot of us are down to be kind but you have to be kind yourself. Threatening gun violence isn't kind. You aren't displaying a kind tone in any of those posts, really. 

Shit is tough right now and I get that and I'm sympathetic. I'm frankly down to blow shit up and get violent and get wild myself. But I'm not sure what that would solve right now. 

YMMV.

I did read it and you are way missing my point. Two posts were simply be kind. One was tongue in cheek re recruiting new members. The gun one was legit fear - my wife is in bed told me twice she’s afraid. Ana didn’t mean to but added facts that could out me. If the guy that ********* (sheriff told us that’s legit assault) is a member than he could know it was me. So in the off chance that guy is here, I do want him to know we are armed with home defense. Not sure what world you live in but it’s not a safe world for me and my wife right now.  
 

 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

That was certainly not my intent. If there is anything you want me to edit out, shoot me a pm. 

Delete the vehicle types please. I didn’t assume any intent. World is not safe right now and it’s only getting worse.

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FTR I got road raged by some dickhead in a tesla on 71. Its an easily identified personal license plate, and I drive out there off Serene Hills like multiple times a week. People are wilding out there. Living out in God's country with the big sky and just rage moding is no way to get through life. 

1 minute ago, troph said:

Delete the vehicle types please. I didn’t assume any intent. World is not safe right now and it’s only getting worse.

Done, but you might want to edit the post where you quoted it as well. 

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3 minutes ago, troph said:

I did read it and you are way missing my point. Two posts were simply be kind. One was tongue in cheek re recruiting new members. The gun one was legit fear - my wife is in bed told me twice she’s afraid. Ana didn’t mean to but added facts that could out me. If the guy that swerved into us and later u-turned and drove faster at us before stopping (sheriff told us that’s legit assault) is a member than he could know it was me. So in the off chance that guy is here, I do want him to know we are armed with home defense. Not sure what world you live in but it’s not a safe world for me and my wife right now.  
 

 

I live in the same world that you do. It isn't safe for anyone. It's never been a safe world for any human being ever. 

Tell it to the 60 people that just died in a plane crash in DC. 

I think you and your wife are going to be fine. I'm very sympathetic towards your cause but at the end of the day we're all human beings experiencing the same bullshit.

I'm not someone that tiptoes around the details to get anyone to feel better. My mom is in her mid 50s and really struggling right now. I don't bullshit her about anything - I tell her like it is.

She deserves that. You deserve that. You're a strong fucking person.

You're going to be okay. 

Get some sleep - you'll feel better.

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