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Declaring ahead of time that he'll bring up Hunter Biden is putting it on a tee for Joe. Biden has made a killing by seeming like the empathetic foil to Trump's sociopath. Just a little preparation for this line of attack should wrap up the election for him. 
This is going to be another shit show, even more so now that the Trump campaign is going all in on Hunter Biden two weeks before the election.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump and Giuliani are the "masterminds" behind this and I fully expect Trump to let something slip in the debate that actually incriminates these efforts.
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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Declaring ahead of time that he'll bring up Hunter Biden is putting it on a tee for Joe. Biden has made a killing by seeming like the empathetic foil to Trump's sociopath. Just a little preparation for this line of attack should wrap up the election for him. 

 

1 hour ago, Voldemort86 said:

What a bunch of pathetic desperate losers. Focusing on his son and going after his family.

Anyone who supports Trump has no morals or integrity at all.

 

1 hour ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

This is going to be another shit show, even more so now that the Trump campaign is going all in on Hunter Biden two weeks before the election.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump and Giuliani are the "masterminds" behind this and I fully expect Trump to let something slip in the debate that actually incriminates these efforts.

I believe this is what you call "grasping at straws".

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1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

And Donnie gets the final excuse he needs to put his withdrawal from the debate over the top.

Nope, he will not pass up that chance at publicity so close to the election, and if he bails, he knows he'll look weak. He got away with it because of the covid last time, but there's no excuse this time. 

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Yeppers.  Would be surprised if he doesn't cancel.  He'll just do the rally worship circuit for the next two weeks.
Trump is not cancelling, this will be his last hail marry. It's going to be the Hunter Biden shit-show train.

A question on Covid response will be asked and Trump will completely ignore it and dive into shit flinging on Hunter's Ukraine and China alleged boondoggle.

It's going to completely kill Hunter's presidential run for this year.
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Honestly Trump running roughshod again over the moderator, Biden, and just general human decency is probably a best-case scenario. We already know how the public reacted to it last time, and as far as I'm concerned we're in "run out the clock" mode - the less deep-diving into things Biden is forced to do the better. Trump's circus show really prevented Biden from having to do a whole lot. The whole thing just being more eye-rolling from the populace is what we want. 

Worst case is Trump actually pretending to have some decorum, taking the debate seriously, and putting Biden on defense. Real defense, not "would you shut up, man?" defense. But we all know that won't happen.

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If I'm Biden every time Dotard butts in and starts to talk over me, I just stop and stand there. Just let him rant and rave. Don't even engage him, and just answer the questions when he gives you a chance. It's only an hour and a half. Biden had nothing to gain by engaging. 

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going to be nothing but hunter and burisma and gyna and many people are saying child porn on the computer

Yeah. And now if Biden bails Trump will rail for weeks how they’re guilty and scared to face questions, etc. he’ll beat his chest for 2 weeks and some zero percentage will believe his stupid ass. 

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going to be nothing but hunter and burisma and gyna and many people are saying child porn on the computer

This. I mean, the entire thing. That’s all Trump will talk about. The question could be about how to deal with Central American economic stability, and the answer will be “$2 billion to Biden from Gyna and kiddie porn and he killed seal team six!
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Trump literally says the same 3 sentence about every topic. 

Covid: it came from China, it never should of happened. I shut it down, saving millions of lives and Biden called me a Xenophobe. We did a great job, now we have the cures and vaccines and regeneron. 

BLM: we all saw the tape,  it was horrible. Our law enforcement are great. There are a few bad apples but the antifa came in and destroyed our cities and the democratic governors did nothing. I’ve done more for black people than anyone besides maybe Lincoln, you know that, I funded the black colleges. 

white supremacy: I condemn them but I also condem antifa, they’re are a terrorist group that is destroying our cities like Portland, like Seattle, 

Economy: I created the greatest economy in the history of our country, then we had to shut it down, but we’re getting it going again, it’s going to be back better than the likes you’ve never seen. 
 

Taxes: They’re under audit. I pay millions in taxes. I’m going to release them. I’ve been treated very unfairly by the IRS, perhaps more than anymore, but they’re under audit. 

Foreign: They came at me with the fake media. Russia Russia Russia. No collusion. [insert two new sentences about Hunter Biden]
 

This literally will be most of the words said by Trump the entire night. In fact, The Biden campaign should just tweet out a written statement explaining this and a written rebuttal of with links and evidence explaining how full of shit each of these statements are. Just so when he says them hours later everyone can look at their scorecard and laugh. Because every single word is a lie 

 

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Trump isn’t good with talking points. He can only say them one way, the way they were told to him. 
how many times in the first debate did he say the same thing about the mayor of Moscow giving hunter 2 million, or whatever it was?  
he’s going to be a broken record because he can shoehorn the line in anywhere, but it will be the same line over and over because he can’t think on his feet to adapt the message. 

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Trump literally says the same 3 sentence about every topic. 
Covid: it came from China, it never should of happened. I shut it down, saving millions of lives and Biden called me a Xenophobe. We did a great job, now we have the cures and vaccines and regeneron. 
BLM: we all saw the tape,  it was horrible. Our law enforcement are great. There are a few bad apples but the antifa came in and destroyed our cities and the democratic governors did nothing. I’ve done more for black people than anyone besides maybe Lincoln, you know that, I funded the black colleges. 
white supremacy: I condemn them but I also condem antifa, they’re are a terrorist group that is destroying our cities like Portland, like Seattle, 
Economy: I created the greatest economy in the history of our country, then we had to shut it down, but we’re getting it going again, it’s going to be back better than the likes you’ve never seen. 
 
Taxes: They’re under audit. I pay millions in taxes. I’m going to release them. I’ve been treated very unfairly by the IRS, perhaps more than anymore, but they’re under audit. 

Foreign: They came at me with the fake media. Russia Russia Russia. No collusion. [insert two new sentences about Hunter Biden]
 
This literally will be most of the words said by Trump the entire night. In fact, The Biden campaign should just tweet out a written statement explaining this and a written rebuttal of with links and evidence explaining how full of shit each of these statements are. Just so when he says them hours later everyone can look at their scorecard and laugh. Because every single word is a lie 
 

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2 hours ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

This is going to be another shit show, even more so now that the Trump campaign is going all in on Hunter Biden two weeks before the election.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump and Giuliani are the "masterminds" behind this and I fully expect Trump to let something slip in the debate that actually incriminates these efforts.

If they had anything bigger than made-up shit about Hunter, we would have seen it by now - early voting is well underway, and tens of millions of ballots have been cast.

The fact that they are going after Hunter tells me the well is dry on Joe, and they are running out of things.

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1 hour ago, conVINCEd said:

 

Even Fox News bailed on the Russia propaganda

The majority of the Fox News TV coverage today has been about Hunter Biden.  They’re all in on filling their airtime with this, they don’t care if it’s a Russian operation because there will be no consequences. 

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11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The majority of the Fox News TV coverage today has been about Hunter Biden.  They’re all in on filling their airtime with this, they don’t care if it’s a Russian operation because there will be no consequences. 

If the R’s really want adult kids to be in play, The Lincoln Project needs to turn the volume up to 11.

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The more interesting thing to me about Hunter, is that they are going after him instead of Kamala Harris.

I'd like to think Biden could make it to 2024, but if I were running the GOP playbook right now, I'd toss the Hunter shit, and be going all in on Joe's health, and that people are really electing Kamala Harris.  100% full-court press.

But it's Trump and Giuliani, and they project like crazy, and so of course they go all in on the Russians are buying Hunter off or whatever.

Fucking idiots.  Kamala Harris is who they should be going after.  She's a woman, she's Asian and Black.  That's an easy, easy case to make to the base.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The more interesting thing to me about Hunter, is that they are going after him instead of Kamala Harris.

I'd like to think Biden could make it to 2024, but if I were running the GOP playbook right now, I'd toss the Hunter shit, and be going all in on Joe's health, and that people are really electing Kamala Harris.  100% full-court press.

But it's Trump and Giuliani, and they project like crazy, and so of course they go all in on the Russians are buying Hunter off or whatever.

Fucking idiots.  Kamala Harris is who they should be going after.  She's a woman, she's Asian and Black.  That's an easy, easy case to make to the base.

Trump would’ve lost by then so attacking Kamala doesn’t do them any good. Trump and Giuliani only care about right now. They are trying to get under Biden’s skin, piss him off, and hope he commits a gaffe for the ages. 

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2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

If I'm Biden every time Dotard butts in and starts to talk over me, I just stop and stand there. Just let him rant and rave. Don't even engage him, and just answer the questions when he gives you a chance. It's only an hour and a half. Biden had nothing to gain by engaging. 

Biden should just let him rant and then look right into the camera and say “is that what you want for your President?”

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29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The more interesting thing to me about Hunter, is that they are going after him instead of Kamala Harris.

I'd like to think Biden could make it to 2024, but if I were running the GOP playbook right now, I'd toss the Hunter shit, and be going all in on Joe's health, and that people are really electing Kamala Harris.  100% full-court press.

But it's Trump and Giuliani, and they project like crazy, and so of course they go all in on the Russians are buying Hunter off or whatever.

Fucking idiots.  Kamala Harris is who they should be going after.  She's a woman, she's Asian and Black.  That's an easy, easy case to make to the base.

This is EXACTLY the stupid logic that my Okie friend (I know, I know) keeps spewing... "I like Biden a lot, but Kamala is a snake... I just can't imagine voting knowing that she might be president."

My response- "Bullshit. You're looking for any excuse to vote for the Orangutan in Chief and his Enabler once again, and are digging this deep to find your rationalization. You'd rather have that shitstain in the now Alt-Right house for another four years knowing who he is and what he's done? AND knowing that the restrictor plates will be off since he'll see reelection as an affirmation of his grifting and stupidity? You'd rather have that than the POSSIBILITY of someone who you 'think' is a 'snake'?  Bull effing shit."

(In retrospect, I probably should have waited until after prayer time at our Bible Study. But we were studying I Kings 21:20-26, so it seemed apt.)

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Joe just has to have prepped material for the 12 minutes of "muted mic" time he gets and ignore Trump's bullshit for the other 78 minutes. Stay calm and smile. Say the laptop stuff is a desperate hoax and pack of lies, but don't respond materially to it ever. Repeatedly describe your best policies. And if the "open communication" bits degrade into what we saw in the first town hall, embrace it and let Trump destroy himself like he did last time. It's a pretty easy formula for a guy that has been debating on similar stages for 40 years. 

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I agree. He’ll be throwing Biden off and we won’t even be able to know why Biden is stumbling.


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Biden should just let him talk and let DOTARD hang himself.  DT needs a foil because his one man town hall sucked balls and actually cost him points.  Biden is winning by not being Trump.  Let DOTARD continue to act like a deranged lunatic.  Just answer a few sentences that make DT develop his ticks again and watch his anger rise.  The POTUS still doesn't have an economic plan, healthcare plan, Coronavirus plan,  infrastructure plan.  Other than line his and his donors pockets this past 4 years and give his family, donors, staff and other Republicans coronavirus, what else did the man do these past 4 years?  Refer to POTUS as a Hack every time his name gets mentioned and then let DOTARD spin off into crazy town.  

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13 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Joe just has to have prepped material for the 12 minutes of "muted mic" time he gets and ignore Trump's bullshit for the other 78 minutes. Stay calm and smile. Say the laptop stuff is a desperate hoax and pack of lies, but don't respond materially to it ever. Repeatedly describe your best policies. And if the "open communication" bits degrade into what we saw in the first town hall, embrace it and let Trump destroy himself like he did last time. It's a pretty easy formula for a guy that has been debating on similar stages for 40 years. 

Just like with every past lock (insert Dem name) them up chant, if it had an ounce of truth, (insert Dem name) would be in jail.  It's real damn simple.  They're tough on crime outside their donor circle.  

 

1 hour ago, NWBuck said:

Biden should ask the president to take a Covid test on camera, and volunteer to do the same.

Don't have to be televised live, just do it to verify that it actually happens this time.

Too much like the OJ trial--if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.  Don't let DOTARD off the hook this easy.  

 

17 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

This is EXACTLY the stupid logic that my Okie friend (I know, I know) keeps spewing... "I like Biden a lot, but Kamala is a snake... I just can't imagine voting knowing that she might be president."

My response- "Bullshit. You're looking for any excuse to vote for the Orangutan in Chief and his Enabler once again, and are digging this deep to find your rationalization. You'd rather have that shitstain in the now Alt-Right house for another four years knowing who he is and what he's done? AND knowing that the restrictor plates will be off since he'll see reelection as an affirmation of his grifting and stupidity? You'd rather have that than the POSSIBILITY of someone who you 'think' is a 'snake'?  Bull effing shit."

(In retrospect, I probably should have waited until after prayer time at our Bible Study. But we were studying I Kings 21:20-26, so it seemed apt.)

That orangutan campaigned on being able to shoot somebody and get away with it.  And your friend is saying, yeah, I'd let him get away with it.  

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3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Trump literally says the same 3 sentence about every topic. 

Covid: it came from China, it never should of happened. I shut it down, saving millions of lives and Biden called me a Xenophobe. We did a great job, now we have the cures and vaccines and regeneron. 

BLM: we all saw the tape,  it was horrible. Our law enforcement are great. There are a few bad apples but the antifa came in and destroyed our cities and the democratic governors did nothing. I’ve done more for black people than anyone besides maybe Lincoln, you know that, I funded the black colleges. 

white supremacy: I condemn them but I also condem antifa, they’re are a terrorist group that is destroying our cities like Portland, like Seattle, 

Economy: I created the greatest economy in the history of our country, then we had to shut it down, but we’re getting it going again, it’s going to be back better than the likes you’ve never seen. 
 

Taxes: They’re under audit. I pay millions in taxes. I’m going to release them. I’ve been treated very unfairly by the IRS, perhaps more than anymore, but they’re under audit. 

Foreign: They came at me with the fake media. Russia Russia Russia. No collusion. [insert two new sentences about Hunter Biden]
 

This literally will be most of the words said by Trump the entire night. In fact, The Biden campaign should just tweet out a written statement explaining this and a written rebuttal of with links and evidence explaining how full of shit each of these statements are. Just so when he says them hours later everyone can look at their scorecard and laugh. Because every single word is a lie 

 

anyone claiming they didn't read these replies in the alec baldwin trump voice is a fucking liar.

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After watching some videos, here are more 

Trump on Masks: I'm good with masks, I'm okay with masks. I'm president, I can't be in a basement, I can't be locked in a room. People with masks catch Covid. I can't be locked in a room for the next year and do nothing. 

1. I'm good with masks: Mask save lives. Every single study has proven masks reduce the transmission of Covid. As a leader you're supposed to set an example, and you've set a terrible one by not wearing a mask, at your rallies, at your white house events. You're selfish politicalization of mask has cost lives. No one is saying you have to stay in your basement, just wear a mask. 

Trump on Covid: What we've done has been amazing. We've done an amazing job. We've rounded the corner. We've got the vaccines coming and we have the therapies coming. The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. One person was too much, it should have never happened because of China. If you look at original charts, 2 million people would've died. 

1. I shut down travel to China: You should have, you were told this virus would be incredibly deadly, information that was not made available to the public or me (Joe Biden), that is what any responsible person should have done. You should have gone further and shut down all travel, because just shutting down China didn't stop us from getting hit. Over 200K people have died. 

2. 2 million people would have died: If the US did nothing, and let's be clear, you did nothing. The governors placed shut down orders on their states. You were the one who advocated opening things backs up. You said I want things "opened up and just raring to go by Easter"

Trump on NY: NY Is a mess. they lost almost 40K people. They had a lockdown like you've never seen. People are leaving NY by the thousands. You're going to have a hard time building it back up. 

1. NY is a mess: NY did a great job controlling a very serious outbreak. Through their efforts and others, we've learned how to combat this virus. Why do you attack our great states for your failures?

Trump on White Supremacy: I denounce white supremacy, I denounce antifa and I denounce these the people on the left that are burning down our cities that are run by democrats who don't know what they're doing. 

1. Antifa: I denounce white supremacy and I denounce antifa. I denounce any violence. But you're own FBI has stated white supremacy is the greatest domestic threat to the US but you continually bring up antifa. You say you're the law and order candidate, why don't you listen to your own law and order agency. 

Trump on Qanon: I know nothing about Qanon. I know about antifa and the radical left. No I don't know. Let's waste a whole show. What I do hear about it, they are very strongly against pedophilia. I agree with that. 

1. Qanon: I denounce Qanon. Let me be clear, I think it's sad the President of the United States won't condemn conspiracy theories but actually spreads them through social media. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing that the brave men and women of our armed forces have to go on TV and refute nonsense spread by the President. It's embarrassing. 

We're building our country stronger and better than it's ever been before, everybody knows it. 

Trump on Election: When I see thousands of ballots, unsolicited ballots, being given out by the millions, dumped in garbage cans. It's happening every day. There's a tremendous problem. They spied on my campaign and they got caught. They tried to take down a duly elected president. Every day, they're talking about ballots that are corrupt. I'm not laying the groundwork,  I don't want that to happen. They were the ones that dealt with Russia. 

1. Voting fraud: I don't know how many times we have to say this, but there is not evidence of widespread voter fraud in the United States. The FBI, CIA, NSA, any government agency has come out and stated that. Donald Trump is the only person spreading lies about voter fraud. 

2. Collusion: Trump keeps repeating no collusion, no collusion. Robert Mueller testified these exact words to the house judiciary committee, "The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed". 

 

 

 

 

 

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If I'm Biden every time Dotard butts in and starts to talk over me, I just stop and stand there. Just let him rant and rave. Don't even engage him, and just answer the questions when he gives you a chance. It's only an hour and a half. Biden had nothing to gain by engaging. 

Hit him with a few of these when Trump really starts ranting:

 

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When Trump says what he says about health care, I don't think he's lying.  He's saying something that's untrue and never going to happen but I think he really does believe it.  He believes it because, on some issues, he's just a Fox News watching, Rush Limbaugh listening rube.  He's been told with the rest of those audiences for a long while that everything that's wrong is the fault of libruls and the democrat party.  

Why are so many Americans without healthcare? 

Why does it cost so much?

Why do the costs continue to rise?

Their answer to all that is democrat party. It's never that it's a complicated issue and that there will be tradeoffs like higher taxes, impact on private insurance, or increased regulation.  No, it's the libruls just fucking up what would otherwise be free healthcare that would cover everybody with the world's best doctors because libtards suck and want things to be terrible.  Also, don't ever forget that Obama said that keep your doctor thing.  

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When Trump says what he says about health care, I don't think he's lying.  He's saying something that's untrue and never going to happen but I think he really does believe it.  He believes it because, on some issues, he's just a Fox News watching, Rush Limbaugh listening rube.  He's been told with the rest of those audiences for a long while that everything that's wrong is the fault of libruls and the democrat party.  

Why are so many Americans without healthcare? 

Why does it cost so much?

Why do the costs continue to rise?

Their answer to all that is democrat party. It's never that it's a complicated issue and that there will be tradeoffs like higher taxes, impact on private insurance, or increased regulation.  No, it's the libruls just fucking up what would otherwise be free healthcare that would cover everybody with the world's best doctors because libtards suck and want things to be terrible.  Also, don't ever forget that Obama said that keep your doctor thing.  

I agree with all this, with one slight deviation. I don't think he "believes" in Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. The word "believes" does not seem precise here; I'd argue that I think he likes what he hears from Fox News and Rush, and he likes the feeling he gets when he repeats it. He would never take actual action on the basis of this belief, though. If he could, he'd obviously repeal Obamacare, but only because he liked the feeling of repealing it, and not because he believed that it's somehow the cause for our dysfunctional health care system.

When normal people express shock at what these people "believe" I think we end up mistakenly trying to challenge these stances as if they were "beliefs." This is why pointing out obvious inconsistencies or hypocrisies never seems to get anywhere; their relationship with their opinions is different from ours because their opinions are, effectively, stored in a different part of their brain from ours -- in neurological pez dispensers of dopamine. Trump, and Trumpkins, like prosperity gospel zealots or cultists, don't have any actual beliefs at all. Just little pez dispensers.

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