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I really don’t care what your political views are.  Personally, I would classify myself as a center right Republican if I had to put a label on it.  We need more fiscal responsibility than either part

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Funny thing  is, I am a speech therapist, and what Biden has overcome as a stutterer is nothing short of heroic. It may present as bumbling or "dumb" but his strategies to see through dyslfluecies is

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18 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Oh, ok. 

 

i would love to have been in the room when he was deliberating on what fake number to give himself,  "I was gonna type 90%, but I figured that made it sound like I had an over-inflated sense of myself.  To show I'm still a man of the people, I'll type 89%."  

Also, this really does beg the question...does he know what "average" means?  Mean, Median, Mode...all of them indicate you are lying your ass off as usual.  I'm sure they did fabricate some bullshit poll of 100 staffers sitting in the basement who said you won 89 to 11.  And you took that to mean the average of two dozen polls.  

Because, Mr.  President.  And I mean this in the most sincere and direct way.  You are not that smart.  I don't think you're dumb.  I don't think you're a Nazi.  I don't think you're really even all that racist (more anti-tolerant than anything).  You're not a lot of the hyperbolic bullshit people throw around about you, including the media sometimes...but your supporters need to understand something...you're not that intelligent.  Obviously intelligence comes in many forms, and you possess almost none of them. 

I would put you at below average overall intelligence.  Not stupid, not a moron, but certainly ignorant, not terribly well-educated or well-rounded, and again...your intelligence is slightly-below to markedly below that of the average American.  That your base thinks you're so fucking brilliant is more of a function of how far they are below your cognitive levels.  To most of them, you seem like you're in Mensa.  But that's again, because of where they sit on the spectrum.  Kudos for having traded on it for so long though.  

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i don't think those hiding in plain sight right now in DT, Football, etc will ever return to the CR bc they are unable to defend their positions with actual discourse, logic, arguments, etc. they know this.

having either 1) your lack of character (for those that 'don't care, owned the libs!') or 2) your cognitive dissonance ("Trump is 'conservative' i swear!") pointed out to you endlessly in public has to be extremely uncomfortable. i get that.

i doubt that will change much if Biden wins. 

i do admire the handful of conservative posters that remain in CR. i think they are wrong 90% of the time lol, but at least they try.

most importantly, they attempt to follow the rules of this community (keep CR in CR).

i think the more vociferous posters in here do themselves and the rest of us a disservice by negging so freely. 

i mean, a general 'fuck you!' neg is definitely warranted for the driveby shitpost of a, say, Johnny Sack, someone who ran away a long time ago, but i appreciate commentary from those that stick it out and at least try - GRhorn, workswithseed, Wulaw, etc.

OTOH, all the politics in DT and Football keeps b_t occupied elsewhere, so that's a plus 😄 i keed i keed!

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i'm reminded of the final paragraph of hunter s thompson's nixon eulogy

The Good Doktor would be apoplectic right about now.   A full recitation is timely.  Arguably at the absolute height of his powers almost 40 years in to his career.  And the most fitting capstone to a canon that will be revered by historians for centuries.   With one of the best gonzo lines of all time: "He was a flat-out, knee-crawling thug with the morals of a weasel on speed."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/

 

He Was a Crook

A scathing obituary of Richard Nixon, originally published in Rolling Stone on June 16, 1994

 

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Former President Richard Nixon autographs a book at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport at Grapevine, Texas, in 1978. Bill Hudson / AP

 

MEMO FROM THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS DESK

DATE: MAY 1, 1994
FROM: DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON
SUBJECT: THE DEATH OF RICHARD NIXON: NOTES ON THE PASSING OF AN AMERICAN MONSTER.... HE WAS A LIAR AND A QUITTER, AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED AT SEA.... BUT HE WAS, AFTER ALL, THE PRESIDENT.

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
---Revelation 18:2

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Richard Nixon is gone now, and I am poorer for it. He was the real thing -- a political monster straight out of Grendel and a very dangerous enemy. He could shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time. He lied to his friends and betrayed the trust of his family. Not even Gerald Ford, the unhappy ex-president who pardoned Nixon and kept him out of prison, was immune to the evil fallout. Ford, who believes strongly in Heaven and Hell, has told more than one of his celebrity golf partners that "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

I have had my own bloody relationship with Nixon for many years, but I am not worried about it landing me in hell with him. I have already been there with that bastard, and I am a better person for it. Nixon had the unique ability to make his enemies seem honorable, and we developed a keen sense of fraternity. Some of my best friends have hated Nixon all their lives. My mother hates Nixon, my son hates Nixon, I hate Nixon, and this hatred has brought us together.

Nixon laughed when I told him this. "Don't worry," he said, "I, too, am a family man, and we feel the same way about you."

It was Richard Nixon who got me into politics, and now that he's gone, I feel lonely. He was a giant in his way. As long as Nixon was politically alive -- and he was, all the way to the end -- we could always be sure of finding the enemy on the Low Road. There was no need to look anywhere else for the evil bastard. He had the fighting instincts of a badger trapped by hounds. The badger will roll over on its back and emit a smell of death, which confuses the dogs and lures them in for the traditional ripping and tearing action. But it is usually the badger who does the ripping and tearing. It is a beast that fights best on its back: rolling under the throat of the enemy and seizing it by the head with all four claws.

That was Nixon's style -- and if you forgot, he would kill you as a lesson to the others. Badgers don't fight fair, bubba. That's why God made dachshunds.

Nixon was a navy man, and he should have been buried at sea. Many of his friends were seagoing people: Bebe Rebozo, Robert Vesco, William F. Buckley Jr., and some of them wanted a full naval burial.

These come in at least two styles, however, and Nixon's immediate family strongly opposed both of them. In the traditionalist style, the dead president's body would be wrapped and sewn loosely in canvas sailcloth and dumped off the stern of a frigate at least 100 miles off the coast and at least 1,000 miles south of San Diego, so the corpse could never wash up on American soil in any recognizable form.

The family opted for cremation until they were advised of the potentially onerous implications of a strictly private, unwitnessed burning of the body of the man who was, after all, the President of the United States. Awkward questions might be raised, dark allusions to Hitler and Rasputin. People would be filing lawsuits to get their hands on the dental charts. Long court battles would be inevitable -- some with liberal cranks bitching about corpus delicti and habeas corpus and others with giant insurance companies trying not to pay off on his death benefits. Either way, an orgy of greed and duplicity was sure to follow any public hint that Nixon might have somehow faked his own death or been cryogenically transferred to fascist Chinese interests on the Central Asian Mainland.

It would also play into the hands of those millions of self-stigmatized patriots like me who believe these things already.

If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern -- but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man -- evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him -- except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship.

It is fitting that Richard Nixon's final gesture to the American people was a clearly illegal series of 21 105-mm howitzer blasts that shattered the peace of a residential neighborhood and permanently disturbed many children. Neighbors also complained about another unsanctioned burial in the yard at the old Nixon place, which was brazenly illegal. "It makes the whole neighborhood like a graveyard," said one. "And it fucks up my children's sense of values."

Many were incensed about the howitzers -- but they knew there was nothing they could do about it -- not with the current president sitting about 50 yards away and laughing at the roar of the cannons. It was Nixon's last war, and he won.

The funeral was a dreary affair, finely staged for TV and shrewdly dominated by ambitious politicians and revisionist historians. The Rev. Billy Graham, still agile and eloquent at the age of 136, was billed as the main speaker, but he was quickly upstaged by two 1996 GOP presidential candidates: Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas and Gov. Pete Wilson of California, who formally hosted the event and saw his poll numbers crippled when he got blown off the stage by Dole, who somehow seized the No. 3 slot on the roster and uttered such a shameless, self-serving eulogy that even he burst into tears at the end of it.

Dole's stock went up like a rocket and cast him as the early GOP front-runner for '96. Wilson, speaking next, sounded like an Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator and probably won't even be re-elected as governor of California in November.

The historians were strongly represented by the No. 2 speaker, Henry Kissinger, Nixon's secretary of state and himself a zealous revisionist with many axes to grind. He set the tone for the day with a maudlin and spectacularly self-serving portrait of Nixon as even more saintly than his mother and as a president of many godlike accomplishments -- most of them put together in secret by Kissinger, who came to California as part of a huge publicity tour for his new book on diplomacy, genius, Stalin, H. P. Lovecraft and other great minds of our time, including himself and Richard Nixon.

Kissinger was only one of the many historians who suddenly came to see Nixon as more than the sum of his many squalid parts. He seemed to be saying that History will not have to absolve Nixon, because he has already done it himself in a massive act of will and crazed arrogance that already ranks him supreme, along with other Nietzschean supermen like Hitler, Jesus, Bismarck and the Emperor Hirohito. These revisionists have catapulted Nixon to the status of an American Caesar, claiming that when the definitive history of the 20th century is written, no other president will come close to Nixon in stature. "He will dwarf FDR and Truman," according to one scholar from Duke University.

It was all gibberish, of course. Nixon was no more a Saint than he was a Great President. He was more like Sammy Glick than Winston Churchill. He was a cheap crook and a merciless war criminal who bombed more people to death in Laos and Cambodia than the U.S. Army lost in all of World War II, and he denied it to the day of his death. When students at Kent State University, in Ohio, protested the bombing, he connived to have them attacked and slain by troops from the National Guard.

Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

Nixon's meteoric rise from the unemployment line to the vice presidency in six quick years would never have happened if TV had come along 10 years earlier. He got away with his sleazy "my dog Checkers" speech in 1952 because most voters heard it on the radio or read about it in the headlines of their local, Republican newspapers. When Nixon finally had to face the TV cameras for real in the 1960 presidential campaign debates, he got whipped like a red-headed mule. Even die-hard Republican voters were shocked by his cruel and incompetent persona. Interestingly, most people who heard those debates on the radio thought Nixon had won. But the mushrooming TV audience saw him as a truthless used-car salesman, and they voted accordingly. It was the first time in 14 years that Nixon lost an election.

When he arrived in the White House as VP at the age of 40, he was a smart young man on the rise -- a hubris-crazed monster from the bowels of the American dream with a heart full of hate and an overweening lust to be President. He had won every office he'd run for and stomped like a Nazi on all of his enemies and even some of his friends.

Nixon had no friends except George Will and J. Edgar Hoover (and they both deserted him). It was Hoover's shameless death in 1972 that led directly to Nixon's downfall. He felt helpless and alone with Hoover gone. He no longer had access to either the Director or the Director's ghastly bank of Personal Files on almost everybody in Washington.

Hoover was Nixon's right flank, and when he croaked, Nixon knew how Lee felt when Stonewall Jackson got killed at Chancellorsville. It permanently exposed Lee's flank and led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

For Nixon, the loss of Hoover led inevitably to the disaster of Watergate. It meant hiring a New Director -- who turned out to be an unfortunate toady named L. Patrick Gray, who squealed like a pig in hot oil the first time Nixon leaned on him. Gray panicked and fingered White House Counsel John Dean, who refused to take the rap and rolled over, instead, on Nixon, who was trapped like a rat by Dean's relentless, vengeful testimony and went all to pieces right in front of our eyes on TV.

That is Watergate, in a nut, for people with seriously diminished attention spans. The real story is a lot longer and reads like a textbook on human treachery. They were all scum, but only Nixon walked free and lived to clear his name. Or at least that's what Bill Clinton says -- and he is, after all, the President of the United States.

Nixon liked to remind people of that. He believed it, and that was why he went down. He was not only a crook but a fool. Two years after he quit, he told a TV journalist that "if the president does it, it can't be illegal."

Shit. Not even Spiro Agnew was that dumb. He was a flat-out, knee-crawling thug with the morals of a weasel on speed. But he was Nixon's vice president for five years, and he only resigned when he was caught red-handed taking cash bribes across his desk in the White House.

Unlike Nixon, Agnew didn't argue. He quit his job and fled in the night to Baltimore, where he appeared the next morning in U.S. District Court, which allowed him to stay out of prison for bribery and extortion in exchange for a guilty (no contest) plea on income-tax evasion. After that he became a major celebrity and played golf and tried to get a Coors distributorship. He never spoke to Nixon again and was an unwelcome guest at the funeral. They called him Rude, but he went anyway. It was one of those Biological Imperatives, like salmon swimming up waterfalls to spawn before they die. He knew he was scum, but it didn't bother him.

Agnew was the Joey Buttafuoco of the Nixon administration, and Hoover was its Caligula. They were brutal, brain-damaged degenerates worse than any hit man out of The Godfather, yet they were the men Richard Nixon trusted most. Together they defined his Presidency.

It would be easy to forget and forgive Henry Kissinger of his crimes, just as he forgave Nixon. Yes, we could do that -- but it would be wrong. Kissinger is a slippery little devil, a world-class hustler with a thick German accent and a very keen eye for weak spots at the top of the power structure. Nixon was one of those, and Super K exploited him mercilessly, all the way to the end.

Kissinger made the Gang of Four complete: Agnew, Hoover, Kissinger and Nixon. A group photo of these perverts would say all we need to know about the Age of Nixon.

Nixon's spirit will be with us for the rest of our lives -- whether you're me or Bill Clinton or you or Kurt Cobain or Bishop Tutu or Keith Richards or Amy Fisher or Boris Yeltsin's daughter or your fiancee's 16-year-old beer-drunk brother with his braided goatee and his whole life like a thundercloud out in front of him. This is not a generational thing. You don't even have to know who Richard Nixon was to be a victim of his ugly, Nazi spirit.

He has poisoned our water forever. Nixon will be remembered as a classic case of a smart man shitting in his own nest. But he also shit in our nests, and that was the crime that history will burn on his memory like a brand. By disgracing and degrading the Presidency of the United States, by fleeing the White House like a diseased cur, Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Fud said:

I don't think Trump has handled Covid particularly well. I also think a majority of those people would have still died barring a SE Asian type of mitigation policy, which I'm not sure would have flown in the US 

what is a SE Asian mitigation policy?  are you talking about the chinese institution of full smartphone contract tracing and temperature taking to go anywhere or do anything?  that they had in place in march?  china is not SE asia.

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19 hours ago, Fud said:

I don't think Trump has handled Covid particularly well.

i've already seen responses upthread that address this.... but it bears repeating, Trump didn't handle covid AT ALL.  he did NOTHING and killed 100,000 of our fellow citizens and destroyed our economy because he is a fucktard asshole from hell.

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19 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

The lack of a healthcare plan for four years, including when they held the House, while simultaneously trying to take down the only viable healthcare option for millions of people - does that botching of the issue bother you?
 

I mean, for the love of God, the individual mandate is what Trump most despised about The ACA. That mandate was the most conservative feature of the ACA.

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20 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

The tax cuts passed by the Republicans during a growing economy that have caused horrific deficits and debt issues - Does that bother you as a conservative?

The lack of a healthcare plan for four years, including when they held the House, while simultaneously trying to take down the only viable healthcare option for millions of people - does that botching of the issue bother you?

Promising an infrastructure plan for four years but never once actually delivering one - does the lack of action bother you?

Having become completely detested by allies around the world because of Trump’s juvenile behavior - does America’s reduced respect bother you?

These are just some examples of a party that says one thing but doesn’t actually do what it says.

And one final one - Graham’s and other republican’s hypocrisy by stating in 2016 that they would wait in 2020 on a Supreme Court action, but then didn’t. That doesn’t bother you? They flat out lied.

Over ten thousand verifiable lies on Trump’s own twitter account, directly from him. Why would you ever believe anything he or his party says, ever?

fantastic list db.

i really believed the bastard when he said he would do an infrastructure deal.  he did put one forward 2 years in but (in his own words) "couldn't talk his republican house and senate in to it".

it was the easiest layup since the first gulf war.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/07/26/trump-promised-massive-infrastructure-projects-instead-weve-gotten-nothing

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20 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

why do you think the majority of those people would have still died?

we have no fucking plan and we are 7 fucking months into a goddamn quarantine. we have no national plan, the president constantly fucking slags the actual fucking scientists, makes a mockery of people wearing masks, and he actually fucking caught it. we have no fucking state plan, the governor constantly tries to undermine local efforts at leadership. we have a rainy day fund here in texas and we've done nothing, despite the fact that this is the fucking rainy time for which that was desgined. the republicans have done fucking NOTHING on covid. 

we've had one fucking stimulus check of $1200. that's fucking it. no plan like the UK 80% payroll furlough. no protection for front line workers. no protection for people who have lost their jobs. there's been FUCKING NOTHING on a leadership front from anyone with an (R) next to their name. NOTHING.

yes, we would have always had some people die from this - that cannot be helped. but we have 20%+ of the total deaths of this thing, and we have 4% of the world population. that math doesn't fucking square with "well, most of those people would have still died."

this will be trump's legacy. his great shame. people dying, kids in cages, tax cut that destroyed the economy (trickle down my ass), destroying ally relationships, cozying up to dictators, it's all so much bad. i'm trying to understand what it is that you like about this orange shitstain. honestly. he is our shame.

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fantastic list db.

i really believed the bastard when he said he would do an infrastructure deal.  he did put one forward 2 years in but (in his own words) "couldn't talk his republican house and senate in to it".

it was the easiest layup since the first gulf war.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/07/26/trump-promised-massive-infrastructure-projects-instead-weve-gotten-nothing

Again, he had no intention of ever actually governing.  This was a layup for either party and all he did was keep promising TWO WEEKS! and nothing ever came of it.  

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I’m being serious. What piece of legislation got passed?  Did he even try? All he did was write executive orders the entire time. 
 

The greatest economy ever is a lie. Just because he keeps saying it, doesn’t make it true. I guess maybe got the VA better organized?

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I’m being serious. What piece of legislation got passed?  Did he even try? All he did was write executive orders the entire time. 
 

The greatest economy ever is a lie. Just because he keeps saying it, doesn’t make it true. I guess maybe got the VA better organized?

Tax reform.

It wasn’t good, but it happened.

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I’m being serious. What piece of legislation got passed?  Did he even try? All he did was write executive orders the entire time. 
 

The greatest economy ever is a lie. Just because he keeps saying it, doesn’t make it true. I guess maybe got the VA better organized?

You’re absolutely right! I can’t think of anything. 

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18 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I’m being serious. What piece of legislation got passed?  Did he even try? All he did was write executive orders the entire time. 
 

The greatest economy ever is a lie. Just because he keeps saying it, doesn’t make it true. I guess maybe got the VA better organized?

I can name one and mostly only knew about it because of my oldest out in Cali. He signed the Great American Outdoors Act. It was proposed in Congress under the Taxpayer First Act (that I didn't know and had to look up) by the late Democratic Representative John Lewis. Senator Cory Gardener reintroduced the bill later (with amendments) and it passed in the Senate 73-25 and the House 310-107. It had bipartisan support although later is was suggested that McConnell only let it pass to improve Gardener's re-election chances. The President signed it into law on August 4, 2020.

Without going into a lot of details, it addresses some of the maintenance issues incurred by the National Park Service, and also enables states (like California) that have large state preserves abutting federal lands the ability to co-manage and work together. The funding allowed Governor Newsom and the US Forest Service the impetus to forge the Agreement for Shared Stewardship of California's Forest and Rangelands to achieve the goal of reducing California's wildfire risk.

It was one of the actual positive things (as far as I can tell--I don't live there so I don't know if there are details that are not so great) that appeared to address a problem that the 'feet on the ground' people were trying to get solved for years and the Act itself was supported by conservancy groups.

Maybe the subsequent fires burned up some of the goodwill between the President and his 'blue state' governor since the conflagrations happened so quickly in the weeks post signing, but I would still say that I recognize that as something that could benefit all national park users nationwide. (provided the BLM guy doesn't sell off all the park lands.)

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Edit-to be clear, the Agreement is made possible by the funding provided by the GAOA. The Act itself funds parks and other similar installations nationwide.
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back to covid for a minute, i said last night that to assess the trump performance and strategic response, you have to imagine the entire country as florida.  to expand on this, since certain red-state govs took their lead from trump, you can look at what's going on in those states to see a better overall picture.  and remember, he recently said that if you take the blue states out, we're doing better than anyone else in the world.

here is the current chart that ranks total cases per million.:

 

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anyone notice a trend here?  if not for the blue state governors and mayors (and citizens), we'd be in much much worse shape.

 

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Name one thing Trump has accomplished. 

This is a cut and paste from the big fish small pond intellectually stunted HS QB who still garners adulation in the small town where I grew up, some 37 years down the road.  This is how these people think.  I looked it up -- the county went 83/12 for Trump over Clinton.  These are the deplorables.  So, here you go:

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It's about outcomes from the job he's done for our country, nothing more, nothing less. The five primary reasons I support the president.
1. Economy and jobs: the best social program is still a good job. I see it regularly. He understands the importance of the private sector. More people of all ethnicities had secured better jobs before COVID. He's focused on better trade deals to support U.S. jobs.
2. Peace: We have a stronger but more peaceful military. He's said no to the establishment war mongers. There's less policing of the world. He reached out to N. Korea and there's a growing peace in the Mideast.
3. Energy independence: gas continues to be affordable and no longer must we bow and crawl to Mideast sources of oil.
4. Life: he supports the unborn.
5. Outsider: he doesn't owe the establishment. That's why they hate him and have worked so hard and wasted millions of dollars for four years to destroy him. He stands up to his attackers.

 

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This is a cut and paste from the big fish small pond intellectually stunted HS QB who still garners adulation in the small town where I grew up, some 37 years down the road.  This is how these people think.  I looked it up -- the county went 83/12 for Trump over Clinton.  These are the deplorables.  So, here you go:

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It's about outcomes from the job he's done for our country, nothing more, nothing less. The five primary reasons I support the president.
1. Economy and jobs: the best social program is still a good job. I see it regularly. He understands the importance of the private sector. More people of all ethnicities had secured better jobs before COVID. He's focused on better trade deals to support U.S. jobs.
2. Peace: We have a stronger but more peaceful military. He's said no to the establishment war mongers. There's less policing of the world. He reached out to N. Korea and there's a growing peace in the Mideast.
3. Energy independence: gas continues to be affordable and no longer must we bow and crawl to Mideast sources of oil.
4. Life: he supports the unborn.
5. Outsider: he doesn't owe the establishment. That's why they hate him and have worked so hard and wasted millions of dollars for four years to destroy him. He stands up to his attackers.

I understand his point of view. If any of these positions were supported by evidence, I might agree with a few. The problem with many that support the Republican Party is their too simple. Everything listed are reasonable things (beside pro-life) that most people would agree with. The problem is every issue is not this simple. Abandoning the Kurds has consequences. Bribing Muslim countries with arms sales for peace with Israel has consequences. Removing the social net has consequences. And I always laugh when either political party says they lowered gas/oil prices. 

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Name one thing Trump has accomplished. 

What. Do you mean just in the last 72 hours?

http:// https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-announces-peace-deal-between-israel-united-arab-emirates/


I mean. It’s not leaving a billion cash in the Desert or anything, but that one afternoon bitch slaps the entire careers of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton into perfect perspective.

He knocked that out between a dozen rallies, his third Supreme Court nominee being approved, getting Biden to lean into the mic and close the debate with “I’m ending fossil fuel industry’s participation in the American economy” (Biden “called a lid” on his campaign for a week preparing for this) exposed the Biden’s and the entire DNC machinery as the racist, anarchist, violent, malevolent hate crime committing, Constitution shredding power hungry racketeers that they’ve always been.

What had Trump accomplished?

Look at the stir he’s caused here among the enlightened!
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1 minute ago, TtomTerrific said:


What. Do you mean just in the last 72 hours?

http:// https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-announces-peace-deal-between-israel-united-arab-emirates/


I mean. It’s not leaving a billion cash in the Desert or anything, but that one afternoon bitch slaps the entire careers of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton into perfect perspective.

He knocked that out between a dozen rallies, his third Supreme Court nominee being approved, getting Biden to lean into the mic and close the debate with “I’m ending fossil fuel industry’s participation in the American economy” (Biden “called a lid” on his campaign for a week preparing for this) exposed the Biden’s and the entire DNC machinery as the racist, anarchist, violent, malevolent hate crime committing, Constitution shredding power hungry racketeers that they’ve always been.

What had Trump accomplished?

Look at the stir he’s caused here among the enlightened!

Hey you're back!

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7 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:


What. Do you mean just in the last 72 hours?

http:// https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-announces-peace-deal-between-israel-united-arab-emirates/


I mean. It’s not leaving a billion cash in the Desert or anything, but that one afternoon bitch slaps the entire careers of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton into perfect perspective.

He knocked that out between a dozen rallies, his third Supreme Court nominee being approved, getting Biden to lean into the mic and close the debate with “I’m ending fossil fuel industry’s participation in the American economy” (Biden “called a lid” on his campaign for a week preparing for this) exposed the Biden’s and the entire DNC machinery as the racist, anarchist, violent, malevolent hate crime committing, Constitution shredding power hungry racketeers that they’ve always been.

What had Trump accomplished?

Look at the stir he’s caused here among the enlightened!

Dude.

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9 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

The Good Doktor would be apoplectic right about now.   A full recitation is timely.  Arguably at the absolute height of his powers almost 40 years in to his career.  And the most fitting capstone to a canon that will be revered by historians for centuries.   With one of the best gonzo lines of all time: "He was a flat-out, knee-crawling thug with the morals of a weasel on speed."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/

 

He Was a Crook

A scathing obituary of Richard Nixon, originally published in Rolling Stone on June 16, 1994

 

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Former President Richard Nixon autographs a book at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport at Grapevine, Texas, in 1978. Bill Hudson / AP

 

MEMO FROM THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS DESK

DATE: MAY 1, 1994
FROM: DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON
SUBJECT: THE DEATH OF RICHARD NIXON: NOTES ON THE PASSING OF AN AMERICAN MONSTER.... HE WAS A LIAR AND A QUITTER, AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED AT SEA.... BUT HE WAS, AFTER ALL, THE PRESIDENT.

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
---Revelation 18:2

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Richard Nixon is gone now, and I am poorer for it. He was the real thing -- a political monster straight out of Grendel and a very dangerous enemy. He could shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time. He lied to his friends and betrayed the trust of his family. Not even Gerald Ford, the unhappy ex-president who pardoned Nixon and kept him out of prison, was immune to the evil fallout. Ford, who believes strongly in Heaven and Hell, has told more than one of his celebrity golf partners that "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

I have had my own bloody relationship with Nixon for many years, but I am not worried about it landing me in hell with him. I have already been there with that bastard, and I am a better person for it. Nixon had the unique ability to make his enemies seem honorable, and we developed a keen sense of fraternity. Some of my best friends have hated Nixon all their lives. My mother hates Nixon, my son hates Nixon, I hate Nixon, and this hatred has brought us together.

Nixon laughed when I told him this. "Don't worry," he said, "I, too, am a family man, and we feel the same way about you."

It was Richard Nixon who got me into politics, and now that he's gone, I feel lonely. He was a giant in his way. As long as Nixon was politically alive -- and he was, all the way to the end -- we could always be sure of finding the enemy on the Low Road. There was no need to look anywhere else for the evil bastard. He had the fighting instincts of a badger trapped by hounds. The badger will roll over on its back and emit a smell of death, which confuses the dogs and lures them in for the traditional ripping and tearing action. But it is usually the badger who does the ripping and tearing. It is a beast that fights best on its back: rolling under the throat of the enemy and seizing it by the head with all four claws.

That was Nixon's style -- and if you forgot, he would kill you as a lesson to the others. Badgers don't fight fair, bubba. That's why God made dachshunds.

Nixon was a navy man, and he should have been buried at sea. Many of his friends were seagoing people: Bebe Rebozo, Robert Vesco, William F. Buckley Jr., and some of them wanted a full naval burial.

These come in at least two styles, however, and Nixon's immediate family strongly opposed both of them. In the traditionalist style, the dead president's body would be wrapped and sewn loosely in canvas sailcloth and dumped off the stern of a frigate at least 100 miles off the coast and at least 1,000 miles south of San Diego, so the corpse could never wash up on American soil in any recognizable form.

The family opted for cremation until they were advised of the potentially onerous implications of a strictly private, unwitnessed burning of the body of the man who was, after all, the President of the United States. Awkward questions might be raised, dark allusions to Hitler and Rasputin. People would be filing lawsuits to get their hands on the dental charts. Long court battles would be inevitable -- some with liberal cranks bitching about corpus delicti and habeas corpus and others with giant insurance companies trying not to pay off on his death benefits. Either way, an orgy of greed and duplicity was sure to follow any public hint that Nixon might have somehow faked his own death or been cryogenically transferred to fascist Chinese interests on the Central Asian Mainland.

It would also play into the hands of those millions of self-stigmatized patriots like me who believe these things already.

If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern -- but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man -- evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him -- except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship.

It is fitting that Richard Nixon's final gesture to the American people was a clearly illegal series of 21 105-mm howitzer blasts that shattered the peace of a residential neighborhood and permanently disturbed many children. Neighbors also complained about another unsanctioned burial in the yard at the old Nixon place, which was brazenly illegal. "It makes the whole neighborhood like a graveyard," said one. "And it fucks up my children's sense of values."

Many were incensed about the howitzers -- but they knew there was nothing they could do about it -- not with the current president sitting about 50 yards away and laughing at the roar of the cannons. It was Nixon's last war, and he won.

The funeral was a dreary affair, finely staged for TV and shrewdly dominated by ambitious politicians and revisionist historians. The Rev. Billy Graham, still agile and eloquent at the age of 136, was billed as the main speaker, but he was quickly upstaged by two 1996 GOP presidential candidates: Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas and Gov. Pete Wilson of California, who formally hosted the event and saw his poll numbers crippled when he got blown off the stage by Dole, who somehow seized the No. 3 slot on the roster and uttered such a shameless, self-serving eulogy that even he burst into tears at the end of it.

Dole's stock went up like a rocket and cast him as the early GOP front-runner for '96. Wilson, speaking next, sounded like an Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator and probably won't even be re-elected as governor of California in November.

The historians were strongly represented by the No. 2 speaker, Henry Kissinger, Nixon's secretary of state and himself a zealous revisionist with many axes to grind. He set the tone for the day with a maudlin and spectacularly self-serving portrait of Nixon as even more saintly than his mother and as a president of many godlike accomplishments -- most of them put together in secret by Kissinger, who came to California as part of a huge publicity tour for his new book on diplomacy, genius, Stalin, H. P. Lovecraft and other great minds of our time, including himself and Richard Nixon.

Kissinger was only one of the many historians who suddenly came to see Nixon as more than the sum of his many squalid parts. He seemed to be saying that History will not have to absolve Nixon, because he has already done it himself in a massive act of will and crazed arrogance that already ranks him supreme, along with other Nietzschean supermen like Hitler, Jesus, Bismarck and the Emperor Hirohito. These revisionists have catapulted Nixon to the status of an American Caesar, claiming that when the definitive history of the 20th century is written, no other president will come close to Nixon in stature. "He will dwarf FDR and Truman," according to one scholar from Duke University.

It was all gibberish, of course. Nixon was no more a Saint than he was a Great President. He was more like Sammy Glick than Winston Churchill. He was a cheap crook and a merciless war criminal who bombed more people to death in Laos and Cambodia than the U.S. Army lost in all of World War II, and he denied it to the day of his death. When students at Kent State University, in Ohio, protested the bombing, he connived to have them attacked and slain by troops from the National Guard.

Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

Nixon's meteoric rise from the unemployment line to the vice presidency in six quick years would never have happened if TV had come along 10 years earlier. He got away with his sleazy "my dog Checkers" speech in 1952 because most voters heard it on the radio or read about it in the headlines of their local, Republican newspapers. When Nixon finally had to face the TV cameras for real in the 1960 presidential campaign debates, he got whipped like a red-headed mule. Even die-hard Republican voters were shocked by his cruel and incompetent persona. Interestingly, most people who heard those debates on the radio thought Nixon had won. But the mushrooming TV audience saw him as a truthless used-car salesman, and they voted accordingly. It was the first time in 14 years that Nixon lost an election.

When he arrived in the White House as VP at the age of 40, he was a smart young man on the rise -- a hubris-crazed monster from the bowels of the American dream with a heart full of hate and an overweening lust to be President. He had won every office he'd run for and stomped like a Nazi on all of his enemies and even some of his friends.

Nixon had no friends except George Will and J. Edgar Hoover (and they both deserted him). It was Hoover's shameless death in 1972 that led directly to Nixon's downfall. He felt helpless and alone with Hoover gone. He no longer had access to either the Director or the Director's ghastly bank of Personal Files on almost everybody in Washington.

Hoover was Nixon's right flank, and when he croaked, Nixon knew how Lee felt when Stonewall Jackson got killed at Chancellorsville. It permanently exposed Lee's flank and led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

For Nixon, the loss of Hoover led inevitably to the disaster of Watergate. It meant hiring a New Director -- who turned out to be an unfortunate toady named L. Patrick Gray, who squealed like a pig in hot oil the first time Nixon leaned on him. Gray panicked and fingered White House Counsel John Dean, who refused to take the rap and rolled over, instead, on Nixon, who was trapped like a rat by Dean's relentless, vengeful testimony and went all to pieces right in front of our eyes on TV.

That is Watergate, in a nut, for people with seriously diminished attention spans. The real story is a lot longer and reads like a textbook on human treachery. They were all scum, but only Nixon walked free and lived to clear his name. Or at least that's what Bill Clinton says -- and he is, after all, the President of the United States.

Nixon liked to remind people of that. He believed it, and that was why he went down. He was not only a crook but a fool. Two years after he quit, he told a TV journalist that "if the president does it, it can't be illegal."

Shit. Not even Spiro Agnew was that dumb. He was a flat-out, knee-crawling thug with the morals of a weasel on speed. But he was Nixon's vice president for five years, and he only resigned when he was caught red-handed taking cash bribes across his desk in the White House.

Unlike Nixon, Agnew didn't argue. He quit his job and fled in the night to Baltimore, where he appeared the next morning in U.S. District Court, which allowed him to stay out of prison for bribery and extortion in exchange for a guilty (no contest) plea on income-tax evasion. After that he became a major celebrity and played golf and tried to get a Coors distributorship. He never spoke to Nixon again and was an unwelcome guest at the funeral. They called him Rude, but he went anyway. It was one of those Biological Imperatives, like salmon swimming up waterfalls to spawn before they die. He knew he was scum, but it didn't bother him.

Agnew was the Joey Buttafuoco of the Nixon administration, and Hoover was its Caligula. They were brutal, brain-damaged degenerates worse than any hit man out of The Godfather, yet they were the men Richard Nixon trusted most. Together they defined his Presidency.

It would be easy to forget and forgive Henry Kissinger of his crimes, just as he forgave Nixon. Yes, we could do that -- but it would be wrong. Kissinger is a slippery little devil, a world-class hustler with a thick German accent and a very keen eye for weak spots at the top of the power structure. Nixon was one of those, and Super K exploited him mercilessly, all the way to the end.

Kissinger made the Gang of Four complete: Agnew, Hoover, Kissinger and Nixon. A group photo of these perverts would say all we need to know about the Age of Nixon.

Nixon's spirit will be with us for the rest of our lives -- whether you're me or Bill Clinton or you or Kurt Cobain or Bishop Tutu or Keith Richards or Amy Fisher or Boris Yeltsin's daughter or your fiancee's 16-year-old beer-drunk brother with his braided goatee and his whole life like a thundercloud out in front of him. This is not a generational thing. You don't even have to know who Richard Nixon was to be a victim of his ugly, Nazi spirit.

He has poisoned our water forever. Nixon will be remembered as a classic case of a smart man shitting in his own nest. But he also shit in our nests, and that was the crime that history will burn on his memory like a brand. By disgracing and degrading the Presidency of the United States, by fleeing the White House like a diseased cur, Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream.

 

 

Nixon ushered in this era of sleaze. Trump will accompany that era out. Fitting. 

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1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

Are we talking about Cardi B?

Think of it this way.  The Brethren often still refer to everyone that's not Brethren as "The Gentiles".  You don't perceive any harm in that statement, because if you are christian, you self-identify with that term.  And yet, for more than 150 years, The Brethren use the term "The Gentiles" in a derogatory manner.  Using the term "The Nips" is not a term of endearment, but neither is it used as an insult or now, 70 years after the war, used in a derogatory manner.

The name of their country in their language is Nippon.

The English plural of that word would be Nipponese.

The contraction adopted by our servicemen in the Pacific war was "Nips".

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Have you studied history?  You can play dumb all you want, but you know good and well you could have typed "Japan" or "Japanese" yet you typed "niggers nips".  It's equally offensive.

It ain't flying here.  It's derogatory slang, and it's rooted in racial bias.  You know this.  You're not an idiot.  You are apparently a racist.  Lovely.

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