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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

tl;dr extradition between two US states is routine.

Is extradition universal these days? A number of years ago I got out of a traffic ticket in NY because Texas didn't have an extradition agreement with NY; don't know if that's still the case. So might there be states where he'd be immune from NY state prosecution?

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3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

He'll be on QVC hawking heavily discounted MAGA merchandise.

it'll be vintage man.  200% markup

 

 

 

 

Also, my patriotic upbringing had me sort of deify the president, making post-presidency prosecution a silly thing.  Trump's tarnishment of the title and making it clear that it is something that you can be if you are just some other dude makes it seem like prosecution isn't so far fetched.  I bet I'm not the only one that feels that way, and I bet public opinion for the general proposition of "is it okay to prosecute a former president" would be stronger for prosecution now (regardless of the person/crime/facts) than at any time in our history.

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He will build the most luxurious Presidential Casino/Golf Course staffed with only the best white people.  There will be a small library in the corner of one of the conference rooms.

Trump's Pleasure Palace.  Where he will sit in the penthouse on a golden shitter and tweet away until he dies there.  

Nobody of any import will attend his funeral.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I know people who honestly believe Don Jr. is going to be president someday.

I can't say they are wrong given the orangutan currently occupying the White House.

Jr doesn’t have the four decades of branding daddy does.   Jr is basically a poor man’s Trump.  

Wait,fuck, he will get the nomination.   Seriously though, he’s not as charismatic as daddy.

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1 hour ago, Bat Guano said:

Is extradition universal these days? A number of years ago I got out of a traffic ticket in NY because Texas didn't have an extradition agreement with NY; don't know if that's still the case. So might there be states where he'd be immune from NY state prosecution?

That's bizarre.

First off, with a traffic offense, you were cited to appear in the ticket itself.  The court didn't need anything else to compel your appearance or even act in your absence if you failed to appear.  Rather than convict you or enter judgment against you in absentia, which they could probably do, but it might be problematic, most small-time courts just cite you for failure to appear and the warrants stick around in that state for however long the law permits them to.

Also, it's a misdemeanor and maybe even just a civil offense, so it's below the threshold of any sort of extradition procedure.  Ain't no municipal or JP court in one state wound up enough about a traffic ticket to extradite someone to appear.

So you probably didn't "beat it," they just couldn't come and get you or wouldn't bother.  You may well be a fugitive in NY.

For felonies, the US Constitution provides:

A person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

There's more federal procedure here.

In addition, many states have their own internal procedures which may be or be similar to the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act.  Texas' version here.

So there's no "Ecuadorian embassy" for Trump in the US.

It is theoretically possible in a US state to resist extradition to another US state on grounds like "that state has the death penalty."  It never happens, though.

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

He will build the most luxurious Presidential Casino/Golf Course staffed with only the best white people.  There will be a small library in the corner of one of the conference rooms.

Trump's Pleasure Palace.  Where he will sit in the penthouse on a golden shitter and tweet away until he dies there.  

Nobody of any import will attend his funeral.

Walk off the 18th green straight into a Trump Gift Shop...  so on brand. 

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

We started getting into this on a separate thread but it got muddied by usual political slinging.  But serious question for your lawyers...

If he holes up in Florida after Inauguration Day under the protection of Hymen Roth, I mean Roth DeHyntis, dammit.  Ron DeSantis.  AG James can attempt to serve him down there to appear to before a New York state court...but they have to do it with the cooperation of the local county sheriff in the other state, right?  You can't have a New York LEO roam around Boca Raton trying to serve Trump who'll start wearing disguises (this should make for fun memes).  

Donnie Saltwater?

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4 hours ago, Bat Guano said:

It's certainly legit to prosecute for actual crimes unrelated to any political actions. It may be a bit of a slippery slope to prosecute for actions taken in office, which may be characterized as politically motivated, but most slippery slope arguments are stupid; I think it's possible to distinguish actual malfeasance from accusations ginned up by political adversaries.

I don't think Preet and Kamala will have any mercy.  I hope not.  I think he'll be able to stay out of jail one way or another but his wings will be clipped and he'll have a million lawsuits and that rape trial to keep him busy.  The hangers on are fucked, though.  

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3 hours ago, BradInATX said:

None of he and his ilk will go to jail. That requires a jury and they'll always manage to get at least one MAGA juror who wouldn't convict even if he shot someone on 5th avenue. 

This.  40% of our country think he’s god.  There will always be a Trumpkin that slips through to the jury.

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6 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

If it all does come crumbling down, and he loses the election, gets indicted for something relatively major, financially ruined, I bet he ends up offing himself.

More than one narcissist has taken that route.

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4 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Also, my patriotic upbringing had me sort of deify the president, making post-presidency prosecution a silly thing.  Trump's tarnishment of the title and making it clear that it is something that you can be if you are just some other dude makes it seem like prosecution isn't so far fetched.  I bet I'm not the only one that feels that way, and I bet public opinion for the general proposition of "is it okay to prosecute a former president" would be stronger for prosecution now (regardless of the person/woman/man/camera/tv) than at any time in our history.

FIFTrump

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's bizarre.

First off, with a traffic offense, you were cited to appear in the ticket itself.  The court didn't need anything else to compel your appearance or even act in your absence if you failed to appear.  Rather than convict you or enter judgment against you in absentia, which they could probably do, but it might be problematic, most small-time courts just cite you for failure to appear and the warrants stick around in that state for however long the law permits them to.

Also, it's a misdemeanor and maybe even just a civil offense, so it's below the threshold of any sort of extradition procedure.  Ain't no municipal or JP court in one state wound up enough about a traffic ticket to extradite someone to appear.

So you probably didn't "beat it," they just couldn't come and get you or wouldn't bother.  You may well be a fugitive in NY.

For felonies, the US Constitution provides:

A person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

There's more federal procedure here.

In addition, many states have their own internal procedures which may be or be similar to the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act.  Texas' version here.

So there's no "Ecuadorian embassy" for Trump in the US.

It is theoretically possible in a US state to resist extradition to another US state on grounds like "that state has the death penalty."  It never happens, though.

Thanks. Yeah, maybe there was a judgement and they couldn't dun me for the fine because of the extradition thing. I got something in the mail; like i said, it was many years ago and all I remember is the conclusion that I didn't have to pay. Statute of limitations is probably up by now. 

Shit, now I feel like I pulled a Trump.

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5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This.  40% of our country think he’s god.  There will always be a Trumpkin that slips through to the jury.

I just pray that our country never get so stupid that they elect one of his children President. My prayer is that him and his family vanish never to be seen again.

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21 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Trump's getting banned from twitter within 2 weeks of not being President.  In fact, if 2 weeks is the yardstick I'd take the under.

Are you kidding, he'll be generating just as much traffic/advertising revenue, spending his days in Mar-a-Lago rage-tweeting about Biden and Harris.

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Trump is a piece of shit. Even if forced to “concede”. It will just be a tweet saying he conceded but still thinks he won. As to where he will end up? He will end up in court. Years of tax fraud will do it. I doubt anything happens to the 4 years of corruption. Maybe a commission is formed and a report is made. The chances of him not being banned from Twitter after 1/20/2021 are slim to none. So you will just hear reports of him in court.

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5 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Trump is a piece of shit. Even if forced to “concede”. It will just be a tweet saying he conceded but still thinks he won. As to where he will end up? He will end up in court. Years of tax fraud will do it. I doubt anything happens to the 4 years of corruption. Maybe a commission is formed and a report is made. The chances of him not being banned from Twitter after 1/20/2021 are slim to none. So you will just hear reports of him in court.

Side note:  can you image the extent of the "Witness's Character for Truthfulness" testimony that will be offered in every trial?

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