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I didn't know that Trump made sure he wasn't able to see him in person. 

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

You have to have 51 present in senate (pence doesn’t count) to vote. There are 53 republican senators. If 3 are positive and can’t be present, then all the dems noshow and there is no vote. If 2 are positive and Collins and murkowski  are true to their word (Yeah I know) she gets a vote and gets voted down

So this being the 3rd republican senator with the virus, that is indeed significant news?

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12 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I think going to the hospital was an absolute last resort. It’s such a terrible thing for him from an optics standpoint. Reportedly having trouble breathing, taking some experimental drug...something is fucky.

I don't see this at all. He's president and in couple at-risk categories. You take every precaution. And "experimental drug" almost certainly isn't as crazy as it sounds. That label covers tons of new tweaks or cocktails of existing compounds that are based on plenty of solid data but which just haven't gone through every regulatory process in the new form/ mix because those things take time. 

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2 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I don't see this at all. He's president and in couple at-risk categories. You take every precaution.

You can take most reasonable precautions at the WH. Him going to the hospital because of a virus he has continually downplayed and said was a hoax is a fatal deathblow to his re-election campaign. It’s an event he simply couldn’t have happen. It wasn’t done out of precaution. It was done because it was absolutely necessary.

I hope.

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6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

You can take most reasonable precautions at the WH. Him going to the hospital because of a virus he has continually downplayed and said was a hoax is a fatal deathblow to his re-election campaign. It’s an event he simply couldn’t have happen. It wasn’t done out of precaution. It was done because it was absolutely necessary.

I hope.

You would think that but normal rules don’t exist. He will say this shows the virus isn’t a big deal. I didn’t want to go to the hospital but the liberal doctors forced me too. It was a big nothing virus. I’m fine. If Biden gets the virus he would die, that’s why they hide him. You don’t want a weak President. Etc. 

 

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21 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I don't see this at all. He's president and in couple at-risk categories. You take every precaution. 

They didn't take precautions for Trump to avoid COVID in the first place, because they wanted to display "strength" by never wearing masks at the White House or public events. Optics and political bullshit matter more to Trump and his administration more than anything else, including the lives of American people. So going to Walter Reed is devastating, and they all know it. 

 

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11 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

You can take most reasonable precautions at the WH. Him going to the hospital because of a virus he has continually downplayed and said was a hoax is a fatal deathblow to his re-election campaign. It’s an event he simply couldn’t have happen. It wasn’t done out of precaution. It was done because it was absolutely necessary.

100%. They wouldn't even have admitted Trump had COVID if he didn't have symptoms. 

Theorizing that Trump is just being "responsible" here is laughable. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

You would think that but normal rules don’t exist. He will say this shows the virus isn’t a big deal. I didn’t want to go to the hospital but the liberal doctors forced me too. It was a big nothing virus. I’m fine. If Biden gets the virus he would die, that’s why they hide him. You don’t want a weak President. Etc. 

 

Nah man. That’s honestly the most absurd take in all of this. There is no positive spin here. Of course anything short of him dying they will try to spin, but this is horrible for him.

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I mean.. let's not be gullible here. He's gonna live. He's got top docs and every secret formula that has been working in the last 6 months coarsing through his veins. He'll be fine. 
 


And I am not going to win the lottery. But every once in a while I buy a ticket and for a few days I get to dream of what it would be like to win it.

Maybe I will buy one today....


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28 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I don't see this at all. He's president and in couple at-risk categories. You take every precaution. And "experimental drug" almost certainly isn't as crazy as it sounds. That label covers tons of new tweaks or cocktails of existing compounds that are based on plenty of solid data but which just haven't gone through every regulatory process in the new form/ mix because those things take time. 

You think they would test these experimental cocktails on detained undocumented immigrants or the homeless before using the president as their test case.

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You think they would test these experimental cocktails on detained undocumented immigrants or the homeless before using the president as their test case.

I'm saying "experimental" as a label here doesn't mean anything nearly as cool/ shaky as it sounds to the general public. They're just new mixes of several well-known drugs with lots of data and few downsides. 

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9 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Keep in mind, this was AFTER Trump's HUD Secretary died after attending a Trump rally where he contracted the virus.

Trump doesn't remember that. Remember during the debate when he kept saying nobody got sick at his rallies?

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It's possible that they took him to the hospital yesterday because he could still walk to the helicopter, before a time when maybe he can't.

Imagine the optics if they would have waited a week in the White House to see if his case stayed mild, then had to take him to the hospital.  What if they would have had to wheel him out to Marine One on a stretcher with oxygen and nurses wearing hazmat suits, three weeks before an election?  Not a good look.

Whatever happens to Trump now will be out of sight.

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10 hours ago, Gourmand said:

Wrong, it's not hard at all because it's not an actual false dichotomy but a dilemma forced by the side constantly arguing that government is inherently bad, getting elected on that premise, and then following through on the promise. 

It's the easiest con in politics and the cynical apathetic types eat that shit up while the rich and powerful continue to line their pockets at the expense of the middle and working classes. 

This is a really good post.

9 hours ago, Mole said:

I appreciate the approach that Biden is taking in appealing to the best in us and reaffirming our shared humanity, something that’s yet another casualty of the Trump era. It’s healthy to take this high road. It’s a real sign of leadership that has been sorely lacking.
 

On the other hand, we’re talking about a group of people who, though cynical inaction and politicizing reality, have a pretty massive body count of American lives. I have several important people in my life that might be still alive had we had any kind of national action. How much weight do these deaths fall on the shoulders those at the Rose Garden COVID party and ultimately Trump’s failure to lead? They bear some responsibility. That’s the gig they signed up for and clearly they’ve done much worse than most of the world. And of course the ethos of “fuck your feelings” and “I don’t care, do you?” doesn’t have much worthwhile to say about empathy.
 

It’s best for us to follow Biden’s lead and reassert goodness and humanity (it’s the only way out of this dark pit), but I don’t know how to justify feeling superior to someone feeling indifference or even a sense of justice at the current turn of events. If this were a movie, we’d all be cheering at the cosmic justice.
 

It isn’t a movie though, and real people have been hurt and killed. Truthfully, we’ve all probably been hurt by our failed COVID response in many ways. Feeling a sense of justice is a pretty normal and human reaction, even if it isn’t best or healthy for us.

When Colt got hurt, Alabama did not stop playing.    Trump is on the sidelines, but the game of running this country must go on.  And part of that game is winning the election.  

Part of the problem though is that Trump is such a scumbag that when you are simply telling the truth about him, it comes off as mud slinging.   

Yes, Biden can include the empathy towards Trump, but still remind people how crappy a president he was without dwelling on how crappy a person he is?   

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1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Yeah you’ve been nails on this thread. How about you take a lap?

Nah, instead I’ll tell you to go fuck yourself and ask any of the doctors on here to refute what I’ve said.  I’ll also take the time to tell you to go fuck yourself...But first, you can eat my ass.  I had a giant tomahawk and about 17 drinks, you’re gonna enjoy yourself.  

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3 minutes ago, BigXII said:

Trump doesn't remember that. Remember during the debate when he kept saying nobody got sick at his rallies?

 

That was crazy when he said that and also denied he'd ever had any indoor rallies. My wife and I were screaking wtf that's why you're trying to take down Tik Tok. Herman Cain died after attending that event. Couldn't believe Biden didn't crush him on that one.

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When the eyes of Prince Prospero fell on this spectral image (which, with a slow and solemn movement, as if more fully to sustain its role, stalked to and fro among the waltzers) he was seen to be convulsed, in the first moment with a strong shudder either of terror or distaste; but in the next, his brow reddened with rage.

"Who dares" -- he demanded hoarsely of the courtiers who stood near him -- "who dares insult us with this blasphemous mockery? Seize him and unmask him -- that we may know whom we have to hang, at sunrise, from the battlements!"

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And now was acknowledged the presence of the Red Death. He had come like a thief in the night. And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. And the life of the ebony clock went out with that of the last of the gay. And the flames of the tripods expired. And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.

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https://www.salon.com/2020/10/03/when-did-trump-get-the-virus--and-when-did-he-know-it/

 

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He wanted their money.

That’s why Donald Trump got on Air Force One and flew to his Bedminster golf club on Thursday afternoon, not long after he had learned of Hope Hicks’ positive diagnosis for the COVID virus. There were millions in campaign contributions waiting for him at his golf club in the person of dozens of VIP Republican contributors who had paid as much as $250,000 to sit down with Trump at a “roundtable” at the reception. A donation of $50,000 got you a photo-op with the president, $35,000 got you a place at a “roundtable” with an unnamed “VIP” from the Trump campaign, and $2,800 got you in the door.

 

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Lots of money sitting around out there in New Jersey at one of Trump’s favorite places on the planet. You think he was going to skip that trip and miss out on all those bucks? Not a chance.

People who attended the fundraiser reported that Trump didn’t wear a mask on Thursday. Neither did many of those attending the event. Trump was reported to have mingled with dozens of VIP attendees and posed for photographs.

 

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Trump had been told of Hicks’ diagnosis on Thursday morning, according to Bloomberg News, yet he “continued on with a full schedule of events. No one knew Trump was positive on Thursday, but some suspected it, people familiar with the matter said.”

Hicks, one of Trump’s closest aides, had traveled on Air Force One with him to a rally in Duluth, Minnesota, on Wednesday. Then she “was separated from the rest of the White House staff on Air Force One on the trip home Wednesday night after falling ill,” according to Bloomberg. Hicks was seen walking across the tarmac with Jared Kushner to Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews on Tuesday when Trump flew to Cleveland for the debate with Joe Biden, and seen again getting on the presidential plane before the flight to Minnesota the next day.

 

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So Trump knew by late Wednesday night that he had been exposed. Hicks often sees Trump a dozen times a day, according to Jonathan Lemire, an AP White House correspondent and MSNBC contributor. Trump probably suspected that he was sick by Thursday morning. Trump looked tired and depressed walking across the White House lawn to Marine One before the flight to New Jersey, and was described as “tired and lethargic” at the Bedminster fundraiser, although he wasn’t reported to have shown other symptoms. But you know how you feel with a case of the flu coming on, and the coronavirus is said to hit a lot harder than the common flu. A few hours after the Thursday fundraiser, at 1:00 a.m. on Friday, he sent out a tweet acknowledging that he and his wife Melania had tested positive for the COVID virus.

Why are all these details about the timing of Trump’s COVID diagnosis important?

In addition to being contemptuous of the virus itself, Trump has been contemptuous of those who wear masks to protect themselves. Trump belittled Joe Biden at the debate on Tuesday night for wearing a mask. “I don’t wear a mask like him,” Trump said, gesturing toward Biden. “Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.”

Now we know that Trump was equally as contemptuous of his fawning fans who follow his example and don’t wear masks. He showed up at his Thursday fundraiser knowing he had been exposed to the deadly virus, yet he didn’t wear a mask and didn’t warn his campaign donors that he had been exposed and they should protect themselves from him by wearing masks and keeping their distance.

This is what the criminal codes call “depraved indifference to human life.” In New Jersey, where the Bedminster fundraiser was held, a person can be charged with reckless manslaughter when you “recklessly cause the death of another under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life,” according to the criminal code.

Trump’s indifference to human life is manifest in everything he has done since the COVID crisis hit. He admitted in interviews with journalist Bob Woodward for his book, “Rage,” that he “played down” the threat of the virus in the early days of the pandemic even though he knew the disease could be deadly and that you could become infected just by “breathing the air.” He has played down the threat ever since, most recently continuing to tell audiences at his rallies last week that the virus “is going away,” and reportedly repeating the claim at the Bedminster fundraiser. Again and again, even after the death toll hit 100,000 and continued to climb, he has praised himself for “doing a fantastic job.”

Now that the American death count has hit 200,000, you could certainly make a case that Trump has contributed to the toll by encouraging the reopening of businesses and schools, which has caused coronavirus cases to rise in at least 25 states this week. Nationwide, the country has averaged 43,000 new cases a day for the last two weeks. But now, with Trump’s appearance at the fundraiser in Bedminster, it’s personal.

We will probably never know for sure when Trump came down with the virus, because we can’t trust what comes out of his mouth or what is released on an official basis by his White House. But Trump, at the very least, had to suspect that he was dangerous to the health of others after Hicks got sick on Air Force One Wednesday night, and he knew it for sure when she tested positive on Thursday morning. Still, he went to the fundraiser in New Jersey and posed for photographs with his adoring fans and sat down with the $250,000 donors at the so-called roundtable.

Even now, with his wife quarantined in the White House and Trump himself heading to Walter Reed hospital on Friday evening — and with more positive tests of prominent political figures,  so far all Republicans, being announced almost hourly — political insiders are wringing their hands over what it will all mean to Trump’s electoral fate, not to mention that of the Republican Party. “It’s hard to imagine this doesn’t end his hopes of re-election,” Rob Stutzman, a Republican consultant, told the New York Times on Friday morning, pointing to Trump’s “flouting of obvious precautions.” One White House political adviser told reporters for the Times that Trump’s “recklessness … amounted to a political ‘disaster.'”

Trump’s failures with COVID have gone from the political to the personal. If only one person who attended that fundraiser with Trump dies from COVID, his “extreme indifference to human life” will make him liable to a manslaughter charge in the state of New Jersey.

That’s a reminder, as if we needed one, that it’s not political careers that are ending out there, it’s human lives. Now Trump is sick and in the hospital. If he dies, all his life will amount to in the end will be one more statistic.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I think going to the hospital was an absolute last resort. It’s such a terrible thing for him from an optics standpoint. Reportedly having trouble breathing, taking some experimental drug...something is fucky.

Lol.  OK Dr. Dumbfuck.  You’re right, the president would only go to the hospital as a last resort.  Lol.  Because taking precaution is out the window.  You see dumbass - he doesn’t give a shit about you, but he sure as fuck gives a shit about himself.  All his rhetoric is just that.  He’s a scared bitch.  Not everything is some wild conspiracy.  

He could go downhill but he sure as shit wasn’t dying walking over to that chopper.  Anyone desaturating to any serious degree isn’t making that walk without supplemental O2.  Go join txags Qanon thread with more cool theories.  Bozo.  

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Nah, instead I’ll tell you to go fuck yourself and ask any of the doctors on here to refute what I’ve said.  I’ll also take the time to tell you to go fuck yourself...But first, you can eat my ass.  I had a giant tomahawk and about 17 drinks, you’re gonna enjoy yourself.  
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1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

WH doctor is going to give an update shortly

"President Trump has defeated coronavirus. He has eliminated the infidels invading his body. He also just farted. We are currently bottling his fart and have instructed the CDC to crop dust America as our doctors have confirmed it will act as an airborne vaccine for every American. MAGA."

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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

He could go downhill but he sure as shit wasn’t dying walking over to that chopper.  

I'm not a medical professional, but I am an asshole, and I concur with your diagnosis.

That was a fat old man walking to the chopper, not a guy on death's doorstep.

He might get to death's doorstep, <commentary redacted for pointless virtue signaling reasons>, but he wasn't there when he walked to the heli.

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1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Lol.  OK Dr. Dumbfuck.  You’re right, the president would only go to the hospital as a last resort.  Lol.  Because taking precaution is out the window.  You see dumbass - he doesn’t give a shit about you, but he sure as fuck gives a shit about himself.  All his rhetoric is just that.  He’s a scared bitch.  Not everything is some wild conspiracy.  

He could go downhill but he sure as shit wasn’t dying walking over to that chopper.  Anyone desaturating to any serious degree isn’t making that walk without supplemental O2.  Go join txags Qanon thread with more cool theories.  Bozo.  

Remember the halcyon days of the start of this thread when you mocked people suggesting this could be serious and you laughed at them and said it’s not serious if he’s not going to the hospital!!! Then you remember a few hours later when they heli’d his fat ass to the hospital?

Take a lap you sooner fuck.

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4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Lol.  OK Dr. Dumbfuck.  You’re right, the president would only go to the hospital as a last resort.  Lol.  Because taking precaution is out the window.  You see dumbass - he doesn’t give a shit about you, but he sure as fuck gives a shit about himself.  All his rhetoric is just that.  He’s a scared bitch.  Not everything is some wild conspiracy.  

He could go downhill but he sure as shit wasn’t dying walking over to that chopper.  Anyone desaturating to any serious degree isn’t making that walk without supplemental O2.  Go join txags Qanon thread with more cool theories.  Bozo.  

It’s Saturday morning at 9:00 am after one of the most glorious 24 hours in the past 4 years. Maybe pop an extra quaalude my guy.

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1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Remember the halcyon days of the start of this thread when you mocked people suggesting this could be serious and you laughed at them and said it’s not serious if he’s not going to the hospital!!! Then you remember a few hours later when they heli’d his fat ass to the hospital?

Take a lap you sooner fuck.

Dude new shit has come to light.  You hope all this is true.  Changes everything.  

And it’s still a precautionary move asswipe.  I don’t HOPE for shit when giving a prognosis, you stupid son of a whore.  

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