Fuck Big 12 refs

[dcar00 14181]

5 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah we lost and it sucked.

I guess I could follow the example of some and be a whiny pussy about it, or I could chose to take the L and move on. 

I think I'll do the latter.

Like you have a choice at 48-0.

[BabaYaga 15292]

It absolutely matters on the margins.  Consistent bad calls stalling drives.  Then in tight games critical calls stopping progress is clearly evident.  To argue otherwise is disingenuous 

[JBJ 3654]

On 10/29/2022 at 11:04 AM, Horn Dog said:

Here is a comment from the video.  I’m not sure i buy it but possible I suppose:

 

It does look suspicious but here’s what probably happened. 

I’ve worked the chain crew on literally hundreds of high school football games over the past 25 years. Typically when a ball is spotted after a play that results in a first down the refs will spot the ball directly on a hashmark to avoid measurements with the sticks. They will spot it if it happens to be between the hashes on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down but on 1st down they will spot it right on a hashmark. It keeps the game moving and limits the number of measurements. I know it’s not done this way in college or pro.

Since the ball carrier reached the hashmark and it was spotted right on the hashmark the ref shouldn’t have even pulled out the sticks for a measurement. Because the sticks should have been marked on a hashmark. He probably felt the sticks weren’t in the right place from the previous first down.

More of a mistake by the chain crew than the white hat. Not sure why the white hat moved the ball forward though. That was a clear mistake.

Rounding a 1st down up to the nearest yardline is standard practice at all levels now. They do this to reduce measurements - or rather the time spent measuring.

Odds are good that the play did result in a 1st down and that the chains were off for whatever reason.

[JBJ 3654]

17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

It absolutely matters on the margins.  Consistent bad calls stalling drives.  Then in tight games critical calls stopping progress is clearly evident.  To argue otherwise is disingenuous 

The CFB Reddit about the defense giving up X total yards is completely off base as well.  These things don't happen in a vaccum.

When you gift another team a few drive extensions that creates more plays and more yards almost by default.

The opposite is also true when you call phantom holds on offense.

Penalty yards don't tell the full story.

[Scholz 11943]

1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah we lost and it sucked.

I guess I could follow the example of some and be a whiny pussy about it, or I could chose to take the L and move on. 

I think I'll do the latter.

Haha, apples and oranges even though you won the penalty battle again.  You weren't cheated.  We were.

Penalties:

OSU     4/35

KSU     7/60

[Pato del Muerto 52491]

47 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Rounding a 1st down up to the nearest yardline is standard practice at all levels now. They do this to reduce measurements - or rather the time spent measuring.

Odds are good that the play did result in a 1st down and that the chains were off for whatever reason.

If the first down is at a yard line, and the ball is at or beyond the yard line, why bring the chains out to measure?  Since the whole point is to not have to do that. 
 

Of course, that also means that the officials know exactly where a first down is, and can spot the ball accordingly should they choose to do so. 

[Tex Pete 20348]

1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah we lost and it sucked.

I guess I could follow the example of some and be a whiny pussy about it, or I could chose to take the L and move on. 

I think I'll do the latter.

Oh, you’re a whiny pussy. 

[PvilleStang 2890]

Was just coming to check how many quarters it's been since OSU got a penalty.  They were playing such precision football against Texas, figured they'd be carrying on the no penalty streak like OU carried on that scoring streak.  I was busy on Saturday, so someone please fill me in...

[Horn Dog 9829]

2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah we lost and it sucked.

I guess I could follow the example of some and be a whiny pussy about it, or I could chose to take the L and move on. 

I think I'll do the latter.

IF I was a whiny pussy I would point out how we lost a nail biter (48-0) after such a discrepancy in fouls called (in my team's favor).    But I am NOT a whiny pussy, so I will just take the high road and just accept the lopsided circumstances my team was forced to compete in.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

x-posting here because it's absolutely insane:

 

Speaking of holding penalties....I've been keeping count of this.

 

 

This year in conference play Oklahoma has had zero holding penalties called against their opponents. We have only had 1 holding call called against our opponents as well.

 

Pretty insane between us and Oklahoma there has only been 1 hold called against our opponents.

 

 

The lone holding call:

 

Obviously didn't include our game vs each other.

[Pato del Muerto 52491]

Nothing new there with Texas. But now ou is getting the same treatment- and their record is looking a little different.  

Edited November 1, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[utee94 15820]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

x-posting here because it's absolutely insane:

 

Speaking of holding penalties....I've been keeping count of this.

 

 

This year in conference play Oklahoma has had zero holding penalties called against their opponents. We have only had 1 holding call called against our opponents as well.

 

Pretty insane between us and Oklahoma there has only been 1 hold called against our opponents.

 

 

The lone holding call:

 

Obviously didn't include our game vs each other.

For contrast, any idea how many holds have been called against us (and also OU)?

 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

For contrast, any idea how many holds have been called against us (and also OU)?

 

Give me a minute and I'll report back.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

20 hours ago, utee94 said:

For contrast, any idea how many holds have been called against us (and also OU)?

 

Texas 6

Tech 1, WVU 2, ISU 2, OkSt 1

Oklahoma 5(1 was declined)

KSU 0, TCU 1, Kansas 2, ISU 2

Edited November 2, 2022 by BurntOrange&White

[utee94 15820]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas 6

Oklahoma 5(1 was declined though)

So we're called for about 1 per game, and our opponents are squeaky-clean and don't ever do it against us. That totally makes sense. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

So we're called for about 1 per game, and our opponents are squeaky-clean and don't ever do it against us. That totally makes sense. 

Edited with game break down.

[JBJ 3654]

I posted on the other thread holding is the second most called penalty in CFB and most called in the NFL.  2-3 per game is the normal range (1-1.5 per team).

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Nothing new there with Texas. But now ou is getting the same treatment- and their record is looking a little different.  

They’re not the conference darling for the first time since electricity and are noticing the Sooner Magic ain’t what it used to be.  

[Tex Pete 20348]

@oSuJeff97 how ‘bout it, old buddy? Hope that bullshit officiating made your season. Looks like the wheels are coming off. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Tex Pete

[bigcigar 1164]

Wait…isn’t that pass interference?

[Enemy07 288]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

@oSuJeff97 how ‘bout it, old buddy? Hope that bullshit officiating made your season. Looks like the wheels are coming off. 

What heppened? Okmst got a taste of their own medicine?

[Jkwellborn 6697]

They’re letting KSU hold so much, the announcers are saying something.

[Zeus 6022]

Announcers even pointing out they are holding every play.

What a fucking joke conference. 

[Zeus 6022]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

@oSuJeff97 how ‘bout it, old buddy? Hope that bullshit officiating made your season. Looks like the wheels are coming off. 

SEC

BIG 10

power gap

ACC

PAC12

power gap

AAC

Big12

[texastroubadour 1210]

finally connects with whitt...we won't win unless we get him involved

[NorthLoop 14195]

Here comes the 2nd half fuckery

[PvilleStang 2890]

The holding the snap, and the last second time out was the best screwjob, 14 point swing there.  Guess the refs need to right the ship this second half.

[taybo20 2825]

[Nivek 16924]

I suppose if the football is asymmetrical and has a 6inch bulge…it might be close to a TD.

[NTVTXN 1432]

1 minute ago, NorthLoop said:

Here comes the 2nd half fuckery

Yup. Came here to post this. 
That was NOT a touchdown. 
my wife just asked, if is there any consequence for the ref on a bad call. And I think she has a great point. What happens? Does anything happen???

#fuckthebig12refs

[Pato del Muerto 52491]

Sark was talking with Thompson so he probably did something, but it would be nice to see what it was. 
 

it would also be nice if the rules didn’t turn a first and 35 into a first and 10 because of a penalty. (Acknowledging that’s not what happened here, just as a point of contention about automatic first downs. )

[Godzillatron 292]

Well, I thought that the criteria for B12 refs was offensive holding would at least be called if you take the defender to the ground. K-State proving that is not the case.

[Nivek 16924]

Nice massive hold “missed”

[PvilleStang 2890]

Wow, defensive holding?!

[pacman 7355]

Phantom face mask call there..

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

2 minutes ago, pacman said:

Phantom face mask call there..

Definitely not a 15 yard.  
 

I also loved how that one time the left tackle had to flinch twice before they called the false start. 

[Pato del Muerto 52491]

Pretty sure k state OL tackled our rushers from behind right in front of the qb once or twice with no call. 
 

Im just glad it seemed to be called fairly evenly and the missed and ignored calls seemed to even out. 

[Zeus 6022]

Joke conference

Here's your highest ranked undefeated team big 12 bros, almost a half full stadium

 

[Dennis Taylor 18816]

On 11/1/2022 at 9:41 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas 6

Tech 1, WVU 2, ISU 2, OkSt 1

Oklahoma 5(1 was declined)

KSU 0, TCU 1, Kansas 2, ISU 2

So, 11 against the 2 schools that are leaving and 11 combined against the 8 that are staying. Seems a little suspicious 

[Dennis Taylor 18816]

14 hours ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Definitely not a 15 yard.  
 

I also loved how that one time the left tackle had to flinch twice before they called the false start. 

15 yard facemask is the only facemask..

 

[statsman 5458]

So, TCU is undefeated, the B12’s best chance for the playoffs, and needs a big splash win. Anyone else fear an epic officiating screw job?

[Nivek 16924]

So, TCU is undefeated, the B12’s best chance for the playoffs, and needs a big splash win. Anyone else fear an epic officiating screw job?

B12 officials have never given a shit about that. See 2008 Texas Tech game.

They just fuck us over for the sake of it. Last night was the pretend we didnt fuck them over at okie state make up. With some milder fuckery.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

22 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

@oSuJeff97 how ‘bout it, old buddy? Hope that bullshit officiating made your season. Looks like the wheels are coming off. 

 

 

It sure did!  Me and my friends all were having a good laugh about it last night on our conference call with the Big 12 office.

We made the strategic decision to call off the conspiracy during the Texas-Kansas State game last night just to give you all some confidence heading forward.

We're going to fire it up again some time soon, though. Want to guess which game it will be?

 

 

 

 

[deter 314]

Ejected a bu player for punching the ball. Called by the guy that was in left field.

[Par4 146]

15 hours ago, Zeus said:

Joke conference

Here's your highest ranked undefeated team big 12 bros, almost a half full stadium

 

I think this photo was from some Tech fans long before the game started. I was at this game (college visit) and it was fully packed at kickoff. TCU is certainly beatable fyi. 

 

[HenryJames 66048]

 

[HenryJames 66048]

And Taafe gets held on the edge.

[Huckleberry 32859]

Both blatant. When the open space blocker throws his hands up like that right after the ballcarrier passes him he is basically telling the ref that he just held the defender.

[Deej 76766]

I thought he was just celebrating getting away with it. 

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

19 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

And Taafe gets held on the edge.

I was going to say, the Taafe hold was worse and impacted the play. They were holding all night, but we did get away with a few obvious ones as well. Just seemed like theirs were worse