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I was at the 2015 game. I remember after the defensive holding call, I was yelling so hard I almost passed out.

 

Felt a pain down my arm, my head got light, and the world started spinning. Then i got chest pain. It all went away after I sat down for a minute.

 

I was 30 at the time and legit thought I was gonna die right there, in Section 1, Row 61. My wife still doesnt let me live it down

 

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Media is just hung up on the 14-0 difference in penalties stat. The first flag of the game was a holding call on the OSU RT. The dumbass UT coaches declined the penalty, basically giving OSU 3 pts bec

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I don’t have any UT fans I hate…  Live in a bubble.  Hell I have many more UT friends/family vs OU.  I’m saying all that to preface this: I’ll happily root for UT in the championship, if/when they mak

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2 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

I mean, in OU's defense, it was a record number of penalties against OU in the Kansas loss.

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I didn't watch the game, but looking at that, seems a bit lopsided. 

This was ruled a catch on the field, reviewed and confirmed:

Sooners deserved to lose with woeful OC performance but didn’t get any calls.  

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34 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

I was at the 2015 game. I remember after the defensive holding call, I was yelling so hard I almost passed out.

 

Felt a pain down my arm, my head got light, and the world started spinning. Then i got chest pain. It all went away after I sat down for a minute.

 

I was 30 at the time and legit thought I was gonna die right there, in Section 1, Row 61. My wife still doesnt let me live it down

 

/csb

 

Sounds like you needed a nurse

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35 minutes ago, MalibuSheriff said:

This was ruled a catch on the field, reviewed and confirmed:

Sooners deserved to lose with woeful OC performance but didn’t get any calls.  

I’m not certain on the rules there, but does he have to re-establish in bounds before he can touch it or before he can make a legal catch? If the latter, he sort of does re-establish himself in-play due to the bobble.  

Half the time time in this fucking conference it seems pretty clear that the refs also don’t completely understand the rules, so if they did fuck up that call I wouldn’t be shocked. 

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41 minutes ago, MalibuSheriff said:

This was ruled a catch on the field, reviewed and confirmed:

Sooners deserved to lose with woeful OC performance but didn’t get any calls.  

Don't ever believe Sooners. From the official rules: 

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That was the correct call. No reestablishment with both feet necessary. Blandino was wrong, probably applying NFL rules. Just barely touching the ground with his right foot made that play okay. 

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2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Same.  Wife banished me to the pack porch because the dog was hiding under the bed.  Fucking DEFENSIVE holding on a D-tackle.  They fucked Poona that game on what was obvious fuckery.  Still gets me hot.  

and the replayed showed he was the one in a head lock .. serious wtf 

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48 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

 

 

Updating the tally I originally did after the RRS. For each team that UT has played so far (other than Bama), this compares the number of offensive holding and DPI called against that team in their game against UT vs. in their seven games against non-UT opponents (and average flags per non-UT game).

Based on this, UT games against opponents other than Baylor and Kansas were all statistical outliers.

 

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Rice

  • Offensive Holding:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.71/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (5 total)
  • Defensive Pass Interference:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 1.00/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (7 total)

Wyoming

  • OH:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.57/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (4 total)
  • DPI:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.57/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (4 total )

Baylor

  • OH:
    • 1 vs. Texas
    • 0.43/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (3 total )
  • DPI:
    • 1 vs. Texas
    • 0/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (0 total)

Kansas

  • OH:
    • 1 vs. Texas
    • 0.71/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (5 total)
  • DPI:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.43/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (3 total )

Oklahoma

  • OH:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 1.57/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (11 total)
  • DPI:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.57/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (4 total)

Houston

  • OH:
    • 1 vs. Texas
    • 2.14/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (15 total)
  • DPI:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.43/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (3 total)

BYU

  • OH:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.71/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (5 total)
  • DPI:
    • 0 vs. Texas
    • 0.43/game average vs. non-Texas opponents (3 total)

 

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Assessment of 2022 and 2023 games so far:

2023 SEASON

9/2/23                 vs Rice                                  W           37-10                    03:11

Penalties - Yds.                                                 Rice:       5-25       UT:         5-40

Referee: Salaam,Tutashinda                         Line Judge: Deterding,Kelly           Side Judge: Hartman,Eric

Umpire: Bishop,Bill                                          Back Judge: Alston,Christopher Score Keeper:

Linesman: Burks,Matt                                    Field Judge: Almeroth,Rich

 

9/9/23                 at Alabama                         W           34-24                    03:24

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         4-40       Bama:   10-90

Referee: Loeffler,Matt                                     Line Judge: Shirey,Michael            Side Judge: Dupuy,Jesse

Umpire: Weihe,Stan                                        Back Judge: Fimmen,Tom              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Theriot,Nicholas                          Field Judge: Smith,Antonio

 

9/16/23               vs. Wyoming                      W           31-10                    03:10

Penalties - Yds.                                                 WY:        3-30      UT:         6-40

Referee: Mar,Kevin                                          Line Judge: Bascue,Bret                 Side Judge: Murphy,James

Umpire: Fitzgerald,Marlow                           Back Judge: Nixon,Lyndon            Score Keeper:

Linesman: Edwards,Bradford                       Field Judge: Smith,Randy

 

9/23/23               at Baylor                              W           38-6                      03:06

Penalties - Yds.                                                 BAY:       2-20       UT:         4-21

Referee: Anderson,Derek                              Line Judge: Givens,Quentin          Side Judge: Graves,Mark

Umpire: Henderson,Michael                        Back Judge: Young,Daniel              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Moore,Doug                                 Field Judge: DeLeon,Gabriel

 

9/30/23               vs. Kansas                           W           40-14                    03:03

Penalties - Yds.                                                 KU:         3-20       UT:         4-34

Referee: Boitmann,Kevin                               Line Judge: Young,David                Side Judge: Hartman,Eric

Umpire: Martin,Apollo                                   Back Judge: Wetzel,Joel Score Keeper:

Linesman: Carmouche,Eric                           Field Judge: Vinzant,Edward

 

10/7/23               vs. OU                                   L              30-34                    03:43

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         4-30       OU:        9-70

Referee: Alvarez,David                                   Line Judge: Estermyer,Mark         Side Judge: Barnes,Brendon

Umpire: Schake,Stuart                                    Back Judge: Jones,Terrance           Score Keeper:

Linesman: Smith,Rick                                      Field Judge: Martinez,Joseph

 

10/21/23            at Houston                         W           31-24                    03:19

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         6-60       HOU:     1-15

Referee: VanderVelde,Michael                    Line Judge: Deckard,Darren          Side Judge: Carson,Fulton

Umpire: Podraza,Rick                                      Back Judge: Lewis,Robert              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Braun,John                                    Field Judge: Asel,Robert

 

10/28/23            vs. BYU                                 W           35-6                      03:15

Penalties - Yds.                                                 BYU:      3-20       UT:         6-40

Referee: Anderson,Derek                              Line Judge: Givens,Quentin          Side Judge: Graves,Mark

Umpire: Henderson,Michael                        Back Judge: Young,Daniel              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Moore,Doug                                 Field Judge: DeLeon,Gabriel

           

2022 SEASON

09/03/2022       vs ULM                                 W           52-10    03:14

Penalties - Yds.                                                 ULM:     7-63       UTs:       5-25

Referee: Tallent,Chris                                      Line Judge: Hoslett,Steve               Side Judge: Teague,John

Umpire: DiBernardo,Rick                               Back Judge: Bailey,Chris                 Score Keeper:

Linesman: Downum,Greg                              Field Judge: Furqueron,Buddy

 

09/10/2022       vs Alabama                         L              19-20    03:32

Penalties - Yds.                                                UAL:       15-100 UT:         5-30

Referee: Campbell,Scott                                Line Judge: Garmond,Keith           Side Judge: Seneca,Mario

Umpire: Podraza,Rick                                      Back Judge: Walton,Tyree             Score Keeper:

Linesman: Warner,Andy                                Field Judge: Mills,Matt

 

09/17/2022       vs UTSA                                W           41-20    03:37

Penalties - Yds.                                 UTSA:    10-45    UT:         9-88

Referee: Anderson,Derek                              Line Judge: Givens,Quentin          Side Judge: Graves,Mark

Umpire: Henderson,Michael                        Back Judge: Young,Daniel              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Moore,Doug                                 Field Judge: DeLeon,Gabriel

 

09/24/2022       at Texas Tech                     L              34-37    03:44

Penalties - Yds.                                                  Tech:      5-41      UT:         5-31

Referee: Alvarez,David                                   Line Judge: Estermyer,Mark         Side Judge: Luxner,Cory

Umpire: Schake,Stuart                                    Back Judge: Jones,Terry                 Score Keeper:

Linesman: Smith,Rick                                      Field Judge: Martinez,Joseph

 

10/01/2022       vs West Virginia               W           38-20    03:19

Penalties - Yds.                                                 WVU:    4-48      UT:         7-65

Referee: Vandervelde,Michael                    Line Judge: Deckard,Darren          Side Judge: Carson,Fulton

Umpire: Richeson,Robert                              Back Judge: Ernest,Brian               Score Keeper:

Linesman: Braun,John                                    Field Judge: Asel,Robert

 

10/08/2022       at Oklahoma                      W           49-0       03:04

Penalties - Yds.                                                 OU:        2-10       UT:         3-36

Referee: Anderson,Derek                              Line Judge: Givens,Quentin          Side Judge: Graves,Mark

Umpire: Henderson,Michael                        Back Judge: Young,Daniel              Score Keeper:

Linesman: Moore,Doug                                 Field Judge: DeLeon,Gabriel

 

10/15/2022       vs Iowa St.                          W           24-21    03:12

Penalties - Yds.                                                 ISU:        6-40       UT:         4-30

Referee: Salaam,Tuta                                      Line Judge: Deterding,Kelly           Side Judge: Ledet,Jason

Umpire: Bishop,Bill                                          Back Judge: Alston,Chris                Score Keeper:

Linesman: Burks,Matt                                    Field Judge: Almeroth,Rich

 

10/22/2022       at Oklahoma St.               L              34-41    04:10

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         14-119 OSU:      0-0

Referee: Mar,Kevin                                          Line Judge: Reilly,Scott   Side Judge: Murphy,Jim

Umpire: Fitzgerald,Marlow                           Back Judge: Nixon,Lyndon            Score Keeper:

Linesman: Edwards,Bradford                       Field Judge: Smith,Randy

 

11/05/2022       at Kansas State                 W           34-27    03:17

Penalties - Yds.                                                  UT:         7-49       KSU:      9-85

Referee: Baron,Steve                                      Line Judge: Deterding,Kelly           Side Judge: Ockey,Rick

Umpire: Davis,Sheldon                                   Back Judge: Aultman,Donnie       Score Keeper:

Linesman: Conti,Cat                                        Field Judge: Gaines,Scott

 

11/12/2022       vs TCU                                  L              10-17    03:14

Penalties - Yds.                                                 TCU:      5-49       UT:         7-74

Referee: Vandervelde,Michael                    Line Judge: Deckard,Darren          Side Judge: Carson,Fulton

Umpire: Richeson,Robert                              Back Judge: Ernest,Brian               Score Keeper:

Linesman: Braun,John                                    Field Judge: Asel,Robert

 

11/19/2022       at Kansas                             W           55-14    03:14

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         3-20       KU:         4-36

Referee: Boitmann,Kevin                               Line Judge: Young,David                Side Judge: Heiman,Steve

Umpire: Martin,Apollo                                   Back Judge: Wetzel,Joe                 Score Keeper:

Linesman: Carmouche,Eric                           Field Judge: Vinzant,Ed

 

11/25/2022       vs Baylor                              W           38-27    03:35

Penalties - Yds.                                                 BAY:       1-2         UT:         5-19

Referee: Mar,Kevin                                          Line Judge: Reilly,Scott                   Side Judge: Murphy,Jim

Umpire: Fitzgerald,Marlow                           Back Judge: Nixon,Lyndon            Score Keeper:

Linesman: Edwards,Bradford                       Field Judge: Smith,Randy

 

12/29/2022       at Washington                  L              20-27    03:28

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         6-45      UW:       7-45

Referee: Patterson,Gary                                 Line Judge: Slayton,Jim Side Judge: Liotus,George

Umpire: Wooten,Mike                                    Back Judge: Luklan,Rob Score Keeper:

Linesman: Hardin,Art                                      Field Judge: Tyson,Harry

 

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4 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

I mean, in OU's defense, it was a record number of penalties against OU in the Kansas loss.

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I didn't watch the game, but looking at that, seems a bit lopsided. 

Amusing how OU gets called for a normal number of penalties throughout the year, and magically always have their cleanest game against us [when the refs ignore blatantly obvious facemasks and holds].  9 combined penalties on OU against us in the past 3 years.  Seems legit.

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3 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

10/7/23               vs. OU                                   L              30-34                    03:43

Penalties - Yds.                                                 UT:         4-30       OU:        9-70

Referee: Alvarez,David                                   Line Judge: Estermyer,Mark         Side Judge: Barnes,Brendon

Umpire: Schake,Stuart                                    Back Judge: Jones,Terrance           Score Keeper:

Linesman: Smith,Rick                                      Field Judge: Martinez,Joseph

 

Nice summary, but the team labels are flipped on this one...we had 9 for 70 (obviously).

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8 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

I mean, in OU's defense, it was a record number of penalties against OU in the Kansas loss.

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I didn't watch the game, but looking at that, seems a bit lopsided. 

Nah, they had like 2 or 3 PFs. Legit stupid stuff that OU typically does because they think they are the bully.

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On 10/24/2023 at 5:44 PM, sidis said:

2008 tech, 2015 oklahoma state, and 2022 alabama are the holy trinity of fucking awful officiating for me.

You younglings have no idea what a game looks like when the refs control it.  See:

11/21/1992

Grant Teaff’s last regular season game as Baylor’s coach they were 5-5 and needed to beat Texas to go to a bowl game.  It was a 21-20 game at Baylor.  It was brutal. 

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You younglings have no idea what a game looks like when the refs control it.  See:
11/21/1992
Grant Teaff’s last regular season game as Baylor’s coach they were 5-5 and needed to beat Texas to go to a bowl game.  It was a 21-20 game at Baylor.  It was brutal. 

I was there. We were laughing it was so blatant. Fuck Baylor.
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19 hours ago, MalibuSheriff said:

This was ruled a catch on the field, reviewed and confirmed:

Sooners deserved to lose with woeful OC performance but didn’t get any calls.  

 

It's the right call. they didn't get this call b/c he had already established himself with the one foot in bounds. 

This is college not the NFL. 

In addition, the 'didn’t get any calls' is absolutely incorrect.

IDK what happened during the rain delay, but EVERYTHING was being called towards the Sooners (even though they were fucking around) during that.

There was a 'sack' / incomplete pass on a 4th down in that was never reviewed even though it looked like a fumble to me.

The 'stopped forward progress' that negated an obvious fumble that led to a tying TD (I believe it made it 14-14?) was absolute fuckery.

 

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 With all due respect for the pearl-clutching "Harbaugh Cheats11!!1" going on in another thread, the ref fuckery revolving around failure to call holding, even when it devolves to mugging and outright tackling, seems like a far greater issue. 

The only thing that comes to mind, as far as curing that illness, would be to require the five OL players to wear "clubs" like we see occasionally on LB and DB players with broken hand issues. That still wouldn't stop some of the stuff, but at least they wouldn't be able to grab jerseys or get inside face masks.

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On 10/31/2023 at 1:19 PM, oSuJeff97 said:

Texas is first in the BIg 12 in rushing defense and tied for second in sacks.  So it certainly seems you’re getting *some* pressure. 

Let me break it down for you.  Game 1 - Rice 2 sacks,  Game 2 - Bama 5 sacks. Game 3 Wyoming 1 sack,  Game 4 - Baylor 5 sacks, Game 5 - Kansas 0 sacks,  Game 6 - OU  1,  Game 7 - Houston 3 sacks,  Game 8 - BYU 2 sacks.   19 sacks on the year.  42% of them came from OOC.   We are honestly going to pretend that UH, BUY, Kansas, OU, and Houston have better lines than Alabama?  Only Baylor is nearly on par with Bama's line?    Yeah, I got some prime real estate to sell ya, just PM me for details.  

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22 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Don't ever believe Sooners. From the official rules: 

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That was the correct call. No reestablishment with both feet necessary. Blandino was wrong, probably applying NFL rules. Just barely touching the ground with his right foot made that play okay. 

This and the fact the the left foot was airborne by the time the receiver first touched the deflected pass. I saw it live and the left foot thing was close and they never zoomed in or paused on it long enough live to make me certain of it, so I would have been good with it either way.

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thinking about ou wrs going out of bounds and back in to catch balls is making me think of the 2021 rrs and it is beginning to piss me off big time.  it doesn't necessarily quite make it into the top 3 i listed earlier of 08 tech, 15 osu, and 22 bama but it is a definite honorable mention.

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On 10/31/2023 at 1:56 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

I was at the 2015 game. I remember after the defensive holding call, I was yelling so hard I almost passed out.

 

Felt a pain down my arm, my head got light, and the world started spinning. Then i got chest pain. It all went away after I sat down for a minute.

 

I was 30 at the time and legit thought I was gonna die right there, in Section 1, Row 61. My wife still doesnt let me live it down

 

/csb

 

I almost did the same 8 rows behind you.

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