Fuck Big 12 refs

[Js1 85297]

25 minutes ago, sidis said:

thinking about ou wrs going out of bounds and back in to catch balls is making me think of the 2021 rrs and it is beginning to piss me off big time.  it doesn't necessarily quite make it into the top 3 i listed earlier of 08 tech, 15 osu, and 22 bama but it is a definite honorable mention.

It was clear as day, and Big 12 replay officials were like

[oSuJeff97 3435]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Let me break it down for you.  Game 1 - Rice 2 sacks,  Game 2 - Bama 5 sacks. Game 3 Wyoming 1 sack,  Game 4 - Baylor 5 sacks, Game 5 - Kansas 0 sacks,  Game 6 - OU  1,  Game 7 - Houston 3 sacks,  Game 8 - BYU 2 sacks.   19 sacks on the year.  42% of them came from OOC.   We are honestly going to pretend that UH, BUY, Kansas, OU, and Houston have better lines than Alabama?  Only Baylor is nearly on par with Bama's line?    Yeah, I got some prime real estate to sell ya, just PM me for details.  

Yeah I know how to read box scores too. But the important part is interpretation and putting those numbers into context.

There's a perfectly reasonable explanation if you aren't wrapped up in conspiracy theory nonsense. 

You keep acting as if Alabama's offensive line is some kind of impenetrable fortress. They aren't. They've given up a shit-ton of sacks this year... in fact they are ranked 126th (!) in FBS having given up 35 sacks in 8 games. They are the worst on your schedule in that regard. Guess who the second-worst is? That's right: Baylor. They are ranked 108th, having given up 23 in 8 games.

Meanwhile, OU, Kansas and BYU are all in the top 30 in the country in fewest sacks allowed, having given up 9, 10 and 12, respectively in 8 games each.

Here's all of your opponents, in terms of how many sacks they have averaged giving up and how many Texas had:

Opponent - Texas sacks - (avg. sacks)

• Rice - 2 (1.6)
• Bama - 5 (4.4)
• Wyoming - 1 (1.8)
• Baylor - 5 (2.9)
• KU - 0 (1.3)
• OU - 1 (1.1)
• Houston - 3 (2.4)
• BYU - 2 (1.5)

Your sack totals are perfectly in-line with what your opponents' have been giving up.

And in fact you sacked your opponents more times than their season average in 5 of your 8 games, including 3/5 Big 12 games.  In no cases were your sack totals outlandishly low, considering what your opponents have done all year.

[Tex Pete 20339]

2 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah I know how to read box scores too. But the important part is interpretation and putting those numbers into context.

 

Jeff, you don't watch all our games. With all due respect (none), shut the fuck up.

You'll have the conference you always wanted without us next year. Enjoy irrelevance.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

Just now, Tex Pete said:

Jeff, you don't watch all our games. With all due respect (none), shut the fuck up.

You'll have the conference you always wanted without us next year. Enjoy irrelevance.

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

[scottsins 1966]

Yeah I know how to read box scores too. But the important part is interpretation and putting those numbers into context.
There's a perfectly reasonable explanation if you aren't wrapped up in conspiracy theory nonsense. 
You keep acting as if Alabama's offensive line is some kind of impenetrable fortress. They aren't. They've given up a shit-ton of sacks this year... in fact they are ranked 126th (!) in FBS having given up 35 sacks in 8 games. They are the worst on your schedule in that regard. Guess who the second-worst is? That's right: Baylor. They are ranked 108th, having given up 23 in 8 games.
Meanwhile, OU, Kansas and BYU are all in the top 30 in the country in fewest sacks allowed, having given up 9, 10 and 12, respectively in 8 games each.
Here's all of your opponents, in terms of how many sacks they have averaged giving up and how many Texas had:
Opponent - Texas sacks - (avg. sacks)

• Rice - 2 (1.6)
• Bama - 5 (4.4)
• Wyoming - 1 (1.8)
• Baylor - 5 (2.9)
• KU - 0 (1.3)
• OU - 1 (1.1)
• Houston - 3 (2.4)
• BYU - 2 (1.5)

Your sack totals are perfectly in-line with what your opponents' have been giving up.
And in fact you sacked your opponents more times than their season average in 5 of your 8 games, including 3/5 Big 12 games.  In no cases were your sack totals outlandishly low, considering what your opponents have done all year.

Are those raw or adjusted stats?

[Laxtonto 12078]

I started on a long post discussing the foolishness of using averages to hen dealing with unbalances talent levels in a rate based concept, but it is blatantly obvious it would be pointless in this situation….

[Chooky 13307]

On 10/31/2023 at 4:00 PM, Tex Pete said:

That Linesman is Kelley Deterding. Deterding is a lubbock resident and a cheating piece of shit. He has been on other crews that have fucked us.

Line judge. The linesman would be on the other sideline, with the chains. But yes, you're right, Deterding is a piece of shit human and an aggie homer. 

[Deej 76756]

6 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

I've watched none if your games because they were all shit games. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Deej

[lemonandaturd 4285]

4 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

I doubt we lose to the fighting South Alabama Applewhites.  

[ousux 5597]

2015 was different because it was blatant for what they actually called.  They called back multiple TDs and big plays, then basically gifted OSU the game winner.  Don't think I'll ever see anything like it again.

I still remember defensive holding on Poona...on a play where he was bearhugged to the point he was turned away from the line of scrimmage. We were actually beating the shit out of Okie Lite and the zebras weren't having it.

[Tex Pete 20339]

6 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

Says the fan of a junior college that was the recipient of two blatantly rigged games against us. I can imagine it isn’t possible for you to be honest about it. 

[Eskimohorn 5633]

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.
I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.
Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

[Cajun 11705]

6 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah I know how to read box scores too. But the important part is interpretation and putting those numbers into context.

There's a perfectly reasonable explanation if you aren't wrapped up in conspiracy theory nonsense. 

You keep acting as if Alabama's offensive line is some kind of impenetrable fortress. They aren't. They've given up a shit-ton of sacks this year... in fact they are ranked 126th (!) in FBS having given up 35 sacks in 8 games. They are the worst on your schedule in that regard. Guess who the second-worst is? That's right: Baylor. They are ranked 108th, having given up 23 in 8 games.

Meanwhile, OU, Kansas and BYU are all in the top 30 in the country in fewest sacks allowed, having given up 9, 10 and 12, respectively in 8 games each.

Here's all of your opponents, in terms of how many sacks they have averaged giving up and how many Texas had:

Opponent - Texas sacks - (avg. sacks)

• Rice - 2 (1.6)
• Bama - 5 (4.4)
• Wyoming - 1 (1.8)
• Baylor - 5 (2.9)
• KU - 0 (1.3)
• OU - 1 (1.1)
• Houston - 3 (2.4)
• BYU - 2 (1.5)

Your sack totals are perfectly in-line with what your opponents' have been giving up.

And in fact you sacked your opponents more times than their season average in 5 of your 8 games, including 3/5 Big 12 games.  In no cases were your sack totals outlandishly low, considering what your opponents have done all year.

Ah, look, a clown!

[Nueces River Rat 5538]

7 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

[hookemATL 11707]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

RIP. 🤘

[Nivek 16923]

17 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah I know how to read box scores too. But the important part is interpretation and putting those numbers into context.

There's a perfectly reasonable explanation if you aren't wrapped up in conspiracy theory nonsense. 

You keep acting as if Alabama's offensive line is some kind of impenetrable fortress. They aren't. They've given up a shit-ton of sacks this year... in fact they are ranked 126th (!) in FBS having given up 35 sacks in 8 games. They are the worst on your schedule in that regard. Guess who the second-worst is? That's right: Baylor. They are ranked 108th, having given up 23 in 8 games.

Meanwhile, OU, Kansas and BYU are all in the top 30 in the country in fewest sacks allowed, having given up 9, 10 and 12, respectively in 8 games each.

Here's all of your opponents, in terms of how many sacks they have averaged giving up and how many Texas had:

Opponent - Texas sacks - (avg. sacks)

• Rice - 2 (1.6)
• Bama - 5 (4.4)
• Wyoming - 1 (1.8)
• Baylor - 5 (2.9)
• KU - 0 (1.3)
• OU - 1 (1.1)
• Houston - 3 (2.4)
• BYU - 2 (1.5)

Your sack totals are perfectly in-line with what your opponents' have been giving up.

And in fact you sacked your opponents more times than their season average in 5 of your 8 games, including 3/5 Big 12 games.  In no cases were your sack totals outlandishly low, considering what your opponents have done all year.

Not bad.  But that is not really the reality.  Since you watch the games and read this thread you have no doubt seen the screen captured footage of the yardage, holding, dpi, and how it is unequally enforced.   How standing over a player and taunting them is not a flag, but celebrating with your friends after a TD is worth a warning  for unsportsmanlike conduct.  Care to comment on that?  But let's get back to the holding.  

In the interest of time, let's look at Rice.  Texas only sacked them 2x which is close to average.  Their opponents are UH, TSU, USF, ECU, UCONN, Tulsa, Tulane.   Are you suggesting the Rice offensive line is far superior to Alabama's and that the Texas defensive line, is only average to mediocre even if it is populated with some of the conference leaders.  Also 6 conference members have some of the best lines in the country.  ISU, OU, WV, KU, OSU, KSU, BYU (in the top 30) and TCU rounding out the the 50th in giving up sacks.  Truly amazing how good this conference is at preventing sacks especially relative to other power 5 conferences, even with all of the shitty performance of some of the teams listed.  

[PvilleStang 2875]

27 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Not bad.  But that is not really the reality.  Since you watch the games and read this thread you have no doubt seen the screen captured footage of the yardage, holding, dpi, and how it is unequally enforced.   How standing over a player and taunting them is not a flag, but celebrating with your friends after a TD is worth a warning  for unsportsmanlike conduct.  Care to comment on that?  But let's get back to the holding.  

In the interest of time, let's look at Rice.  Texas only sacked them 2x which is close to average.  Their opponents are UH, TSU, USF, ECU, UCONN, Tulsa, Tulane.   Are you suggesting the Rice offensive line is far superior to Alabama's and that the Texas defensive line, is only average to mediocre even if it is populated with some of the conference leaders.  Also 6 conference members have some of the best lines in the country.  ISU, OU, WV, KU, OSU, KSU, BYU (in the top 30) and TCU rounding out the the 50th in giving up sacks.  Truly amazing how good this conference is at preventing sacks especially relative to other power 5 conferences, even with all of the shitty performance of some of the teams listed.  

Everyone knows the Big 12 is the O-Line conference.  We're O-Line U, remember?  /ducks

[bschoolprof 6252]

So I looked at the penalty stats of our opponents (here) and for each game I tabulated how the opponent's # of penalties and penalty yards differed from their season average when they played us.  Note the average includes us, which weakens the effect below, but you get the idea. Man, teams play really clean games against us (except Bama!).  

Edited November 2, 2023 by bschoolprof

[scottsins 1966]

Not bad.  But that is not really the reality.  Since you watch the games and read this thread you have no doubt seen the screen captured footage of the yardage, holding, dpi, and how it is unequally enforced.   How standing over a player and taunting them is not a flag, but celebrating with your friends after a TD is worth a warning  for unsportsmanlike conduct.  Care to comment on that?  But let's get back to the holding.  
In the interest of time, let's look at Rice.  Texas only sacked them 2x which is close to average.  Their opponents are UH, TSU, USF, ECU, UCONN, Tulsa, Tulane.   Are you suggesting the Rice offensive line is far superior to Alabama's and that the Texas defensive line, is only average to mediocre even if it is populated with some of the conference leaders.  Also 6 conference members have some of the best lines in the country.  ISU, OU, WV, KU, OSU, KSU, BYU (in the top 30) and TCU rounding out the the 50th in giving up sacks.  Truly amazing how good this conference is at preventing sacks especially relative to other power 5 conferences, even with all of the shitty performance of some of the teams listed.  

Correct. OSUJeff comes in hard all snugs and condescending, while using stats that are not adjusted for opponents.

[Zeus 6016]

22 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

With all due respect, eat a bag of dicks.

I've watched all of your games except Rice and Wyoming just because they were shit games.

Sorry if cold-hard facts fly in the face of your Aggy-like conspiracy theory nonsense. 

[VaLonghorn99 341]

LOL at Big 12 ref supporters. Wasn't there an OSU/Texas game recently were they had 0 flags against OSU to like a crazy number against Texas. Maybe that explains OSU love for the XII zeebs. 

Edit: https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/longhorns/football/2022/10/24/texas-football-addresses-penalty-problem-after-oklahoma-state-loss/69586315007/

Edited November 2, 2023 by VaLonghorn99

[Tex Pete 20339]

14-0. Seems legit. 

[Eskimohorn 5633]

LOL at Big 12 ref supporters. Wasn't there an OSU/Texas game recently were they had 0 flags against OSU to like a crazy number against Texas. Maybe that explains OSU love for the XII zeebs. 
Edit: https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/longhorns/football/2022/10/24/texas-football-addresses-penalty-problem-after-oklahoma-state-loss/69586315007/

The Big 12 has been systematically over-penalizing Texas and under-penalizing their opponents going on 10 years now. We know this. Oklahoma St fans know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the Oklahoma St fans make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

On 11/1/2023 at 12:21 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Just for fun, our ooc was 25, 90, and 40 for an average of 51.7. Skewed high by bama’s grabby asses obviously but each game was higher on its own than the average above. 

The relevant stats are only games with Big XIII refs, so the 'Bama game gets tossed.

[hookemATL 11707]

7 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

The Big 12 has been systematically over-penalizing Texas and under-penalizing their opponents going on 10 years now. We know this. Oklahoma St fans know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the Oklahoma St fans make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows.

[Biff Tannen 45667]

7 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

The relevant stats are only games with Big XIII refs, so the 'Bama game gets tossed.

It’s a good control though

[Nivek 16923]

8 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

The Big 12 has been systematically over-penalizing Texas and under-penalizing their opponents going on 10 years now. We know this. Oklahoma St fans know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the Oklahoma St fans make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

 

[Js1 85297]

Now you’re just being an asshole. Just another mouthy poster from another school being left behind who forgets where they are 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Js1

[Deej 76756]

It'll be even more hilarious in a few years when Okie State will be even more irrelevant than they have ever been.  

[TKthunder2 4985]

3 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

 

Would you like to make a bet that Texas will once again be 14 out of 14 next year in penalty yards? Hell I’ll spot you the 2 additions and give you 14 out of 16.

Or would you rather bet that Texas has 50% fewer penalty yards than the conference mean next year? (Big 12 avg=42.2 yrd/gm; Texas is 21.2 yrd/gm)

I’ll happily bet you $10k. I’ll send it over to immamac if you would do the same, I’ll even donate my winnings to the NIL fund?

You care to put your money where your mouth is?

[Eskimohorn 5633]

Would you like to make a bet that Texas will once again be 14 out of 14 next year in penalty yards? Hell I’ll spot you the 2 additions and give you 14 out of 16.
Or would you rather bet that Texas has 50% fewer penalty yards than the conference mean next year? (Big 12 avg=42.2 yrd/gm; Texas is 21.2 yrd/gm)
I’ll happily bet you $10k. I’ll send it over to immamac if you would do the same, I’ll even donate my winnings to the NIL fund?
You care to put your money where your mouth is?

Watching this year’s Bama game was a revelation. Smoothly officiated and when they did take time to review a play or confer they got it right. What an enjoyable experience!

Safe bet.

[PvilleStang 2875]

oSuJeff gaslighting.  He really doesn't like having a green number next to his post count, I guess? 

[Tex Pete 20339]

48 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

Jeff, if you can't understand what we have a problem with, you're a complete fucktard. We are perfectly fine with being officiated the same way everyone else is and always have been. That is absolutely not the case, and no fan from the state of Oklahoma should even be chiming in. You have no clue what equitable officiating is.

Fuck yourself. 

[Nivek 16923]

1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

 

Said every loser from the Irate8 as if it was some sort of new idea/insult.    

[Dnaguy 11921]

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

Would you like to make a bet that Texas will once again be 14 out of 14 next year in penalty yards? Hell I’ll spot you the 2 additions and give you 14 out of 16.

Or would you rather bet that Texas has 50% fewer penalty yards than the conference mean next year? (Big 12 avg=42.2 yrd/gm; Texas is 21.2 yrd/gm)

I’ll happily bet you $10k. I’ll send it over to immamac if you would do the same, I’ll even donate my winnings to the NIL fund?

You care to put your money where your mouth is?

Are you going to transfer the money with your flip phone?

[txhorns 2409]

3 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Are you going to transfer the money with your flip phone?

Blackberry

[txhorns 2409]

The odds on what is happening to Texas over the last 10 years is virtually impossible.  The odds say that it is nearly impossible that every single team has fewer penalty yards against Texas than their season average.  This has been happening for 10 years.

Let’s look at this year.  Texas opponents have all had their cleanest game of the year when officiated by Big 12 refs.  Texas is receiving less than half of the average penalty yards for the Big 12 from their opponents.  Now think about it, why do teams always complain that the good teams always get the calls from the officiating?  It’s because a lesser team has to hold a little extra or get a little more physical to compete in the game.  That in turn draws more flags thus making it seem lopsided.  But this year Texas is the better team, with better athletes, and NFL caliber talent.  There are screenshots from literally every game of our Dline in chokeholds, often multiple times on the same play.  So why are these not getting called?  The only explanation is that the refs are intentionally holding onto the flag.

[statsman 5456]

2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

 

Of course, you won’t be here next year. Why would you be? There will be OSU games on FS1 on Friday night to watch, big showdowns against ISU in front of 40k in the stadium and 300k on TV. 

[BigHornedLurker 1936]

13 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

The Big 12 has been systematically over-penalizing Texas and under-penalizing their opponents going on 10 years now. We know this. Oklahoma St fans know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the Oklahoma St fans make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows.

Edited November 3, 2023 by BigHornedLurker

[GreenspointTexas 9598]

U of H is a better school now than osu. Jesus, why are yall even quoting him?

[Billy Pilgrim 1960]

3 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

It's going to be so goddamn hilarious when the 5 people who post 20 times a day in this thread are making the same complaints about the SEC refs next year.

I'm sure there will be some other grand conspiracy as to why Texas just "gets screwed" all the time in SECSECSEC. Can't wait to find out what it is.

 

 

Keep your trash officials, your sinking conference and shitbox stadium. Have fun being irrelevant next year. Without Texas or OU on your schedule next year will anyone even pay attention to any of your games? Probably not.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Billy Pilgrim

[Hookem2147 21200]

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

[Wayne 571]

6 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

Gerry and Bobby saying the same on Longhorn Livestream

[Bill Lumbergh 7171]

14 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

[dcar00 14159]

19 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

of course he is....it's up to us to make his and his crew's shitty ass irrelevant.

since Tech and TCU are stinking up the joint they had to pull him in early.

Edited November 3, 2023 by dcar00

[satyanash 14480]

21 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

[Not a cat 5652]

22 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

Serious question, is there a place that will take a bet on penalty yards against one team?  Might as well make some money if I'm gonna get fucked (no Clayton Williams).

[billfromlaketravis 11448]

28 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Nahlin is saying Kevin Mar is officiating the game tomorrow

Over/under on 10 penalty yards for K State? I'd hammer the under. 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Let's be honest, no matter the crew KState wasn't getting called for much of anything subjective.  The problem here is when we get called for about 7-8 subjective things and the timing of said calls of course.