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Media is just hung up on the 14-0 difference in penalties stat. The first flag of the game was a holding call on the OSU RT. The dumbass UT coaches declined the penalty, basically giving OSU 3 pts bec

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I don’t have any UT fans I hate…  Live in a bubble.  Hell I have many more UT friends/family vs OU.  I’m saying all that to preface this: I’ll happily root for UT in the championship, if/when they mak

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I think sec officiating felt like hazing to keep us out of the top spot in year one. They were working the UGA/Vandy games a bit there.

They fucked USCe during the LSU game too.
 
 
I don't even see a flag - where was the call from?

Kirby Smarts sideline.
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Geez...the TE's block had no impact on the play either. What a chickenshit call. Hell, when I called TXHSFB we were told NOT to throw a flag unless the foul impacted the result of the play.
...and to wait 2-3 counts before throwing one. That was god-awful.
* Only time a flag should be thrown quickly is LOS infractions; false starts, offside, illegal snap, etc.

That’s a bad flag, but it was holding. He nearly spun the guy.
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Yes, it was a hold by the Ute DB. My problem with the flag is twofold:

1 - It did not impact the play in the slightest.

2 - Why are you so quick to flag that hold on the defense when OLinemen get away with 10x more egregious holds on every single down? Holds that are much more impactful to the plays.

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Perceived shitty officiating had very little influence on UT's decision to leave for the SEC.

Perhaps. Hard to go into time machine but if UT won 1-2 more games in conference per year, won the conference in 2008 and 2018, college football’s entire landscape may be different.
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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Both of those would be called holds in an NFL game and no one would pay any attention.   

Not sure if they're NCAA holds, because I don't have a fucking clue what NCAA holds are because holding is called sooooo inconsistently.  

Correct. The issue is that they, and in particular Mar and his crew, let way more blatant holding that actually affects plays go all the time. 

I think the defensive holding has to be called. The one on the TE is basically never called in the Big 12 and especially this crew. 

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holding calls in a couple of plays which would have sealed the game for Utah AND likely would have seen Boise State leapfrog the entire Big XII in the rankings

It's not a coincidence, nor is it bad luck or bad timing for Utah.

Kevin Mar and crew know who is paying their salary. And they will continue to be paid because of things like this.

Ain't no conspiracy.

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19 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

holding calls in a couple of plays which would have sealed the game for Utah AND likely would have seen Boise State leapfrog the entire Big XII in the rankings

It's not a coincidence, nor is it bad luck or bad timing for Utah.

Kevin Mar and crew know who is paying their salary. And they will continue to be paid because of things like this.

Ain't no conspiracy.

Thats a great point. BYU is #7 in the new AP poll. BSU is 13. CU and KSU are 18 and 19. No way will the B12 allow the #4 seed go to a MW team. 

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2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

2 - Why are you so quick to flag that hold on the defense when OLinemen get away with 10x more egregious holds on every single down? Holds that are much more impactful to the plays.

Because they both benefit the offense.

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Joel Klatt had a great discussion about the Defensive Holding call late in the BYU-Utah game. His point- secondary pass coverage is really difficult to call. You have to look at it in the context of the game. You ask the officials to call it consistently throughout- are they calling it tight, all game? Or did they spend the first 55 minutes “letting them play”?

That was the first pass coverage call on Utah, for the entire game, he found. BYU had one pass coverage penalty, the entire game. His point- he didn’t like the call because the officials had been allowing contact the entire game, in pass coverage, and called the penalty on the o r play where Utah won the game, and the contact was not egregious enough to warrant it. 
 
Kevin Mar and the Big XII!

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3 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

Utah AD fined $40k.

If it was only that much, we should’ve done it more than a dozen times when we were in the Rig 12.

We were in a “no win”. Big, bad Texas was supposed to win despite screw jobs. We had a relatively mild public reaction after the 2015 OSU game; media said that only losers complain about calls and the league said they backed the crew. 
 
Last year, after the Mar crew allowed the KSU secondary to mug our receivers to let KSU back in the game, Sark had a simple display of the non calls, and merely commented, “I don’t even know what PI is anymore “.  The next week, against TCU, the Frog star cornerback and Dykes lost their shit when PI was called on them. I think Sark handled that as effectively as possible, given the situation. 

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17 hours ago, statsman said:

Thats a great point. BYU is #7 in the new AP poll. BSU is 13. CU and KSU are 18 and 19. No way will the B12 allow the #4 seed go to a MW team. 

Boise is between Miami and SMU right now. Y'all looking at the wrong conference.

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13 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

The video has the player that was called for holding.  Maybe someone else was holding, but that's not who was called.

They both held.  You can say they weren't egregious but trying to reach block, failing to get your head across, and then wrapping the defender high around the chest/neck and turning his shoulders is asking to have holding called.  Based on how quickly he let go, I think the highlighted player knew he was holding.

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Fuck em.   They wanted the fuckery and benefitted from the fuckery for decades.  The new teams should have done a better job when negotiating leaving the PAC for this.  They were all fools.  Remember when their commissioner and deputy commissioner were openly rooting against one school in particular?  Remember how the number of penalties and types of penalties changed for the two teams exiting after it was announced?  They all sat back and laughed it up thinking the face-eating leopards were not going to come for them.   

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"irresponsibly challenged the professionalism"

Nah, Big 12 has been the irresponsible party by continuously employing the biggest underperforming crew in the conference and not showing them the door.  Kevin Mar must have video on every conference execs' affairs or something.

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5 minutes ago, statsman said:

Kevin Mar does what the conference wants him to. The NBA has crews like that- they know what outcome the league wants (to extend a playoff series, for example) and they assign them as needed. 
 
 

I call BS on this.  Broken clock is right twice a day.  Mar is just horribad at his job and occasionally is incorrect to the satisfaction of the league handlers.  You want to be good at your job, you'd find ways to make the screw job less apparent.

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Big 12 fans thoroughly enjoyed it the last 2 years when it was Texas and OU getting screwed left and right.  Not as much fun when the WWF nature of that garbage conference works against your team.  To some extent it's probably the same in every conference protecting their $$ but Big 12 the worst.

There is a desperate need to completely restructure college football officiating.  It needs to be done on a national level (at least as it relates to the Power 4 conferences) without any conference tie ins.  Break up the existing conference crews so they are working with different officials from other conference.  All reviews should be done at a national level.   Lord knows there is more than enough money in college football to do this the right way.  It won't fix all bad calls but it will help with the constant protectionism we've seen when $$ and bids are involved.

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On 11/10/2024 at 11:27 AM, TrashMaster G said:

Yes, it was a hold by the Ute DB. My problem with the flag is twofold:

1 - It did not impact the play in the slightest.

2 - Why are you so quick to flag that hold on the defense when OLinemen get away with 10x more egregious holds on every single down? Holds that are much more impactful to the plays.

Disagree on #1. That receiver was Retzlaff's first read. If that receiver is not held and gets separation, the throw may have gone there.

Also, the refs probably were letting a lot of holds go, but BYU kept calling it out to the refs and so the ref finally called it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The DB held and got busted for it. BYU still had to go the length of the field and make the field goal. Utah had multiple additional chances to stop the drive and they did not.

Also, there was an egregious wrong call in the second quarter that kept a drive alive for Utah and led to a TD on that drive. BYU was called for a facemask on a sack when replay video showed the defender pulled the front of the jersey, not the facemask. The refs don't call that and that probably kills the drive. Utah benefitted from that. Stuff happens. Man up and move on. BYU did. 

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10 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Disagree on #1. That receiver was Retzlaff's first read. If that receiver is not held and gets separation, the throw may have gone there.

Also, the refs probably were letting a lot of holds go, but BYU kept calling it out to the refs and so the ref finally called it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The DB held and got busted for it. BYU still had to go the length of the field and make the field goal. Utah had multiple additional chances to stop the drive and they did not.

What? That throw wasn’t going anywhere, because Utah blew up the pass protection. Utah won the game, in that play, and Mar’s crew stole it from them by flagging something irrelevant to the play that had not been called all game. 
 
Man, just bask in being the Big 12’s darling this year. 

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26 minutes ago, Crockett said:

Disagree on #1. That receiver was Retzlaff's first read. If that receiver is not held and gets separation, the throw may have gone there.

Also, the refs probably were letting a lot of holds go, but BYU kept calling it out to the refs and so the ref finally called it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The DB held and got busted for it. BYU still had to go the length of the field and make the field goal. Utah had multiple additional chances to stop the drive and they did not.

Also, there was an egregious wrong call in the second quarter that kept a drive alive for Utah and led to a TD on that drive. BYU was called for a facemask on a sack when replay video showed the defender pulled the front of the jersey, not the facemask. The refs don't call that and that probably kills the drive. Utah benefitted from that. Stuff happens. Man up and move on. BYU did. 

BS.  You don't set a precedent for the ENTIRE damn game saying we're not calling this, then revert at the last second.  You, as a ref, stay consistent the entire game, else you're shitting on the outcome like Mar did.

Go soak in your win.

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Disagree on #1. That receiver was Retzlaff's first read. If that receiver is not held and gets separation, the throw may have gone there.
Also, the refs probably were letting a lot of holds go, but BYU kept calling it out to the refs and so the ref finally called it. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The DB held and got busted for it. BYU still had to go the length of the field and make the field goal. Utah had multiple additional chances to stop the drive and they did not.
Also, there was an egregious wrong call in the second quarter that kept a drive alive for Utah and led to a TD on that drive. BYU was called for a facemask on a sack when replay video showed the defender pulled the front of the jersey, not the facemask. The refs don't call that and that probably kills the drive. Utah benefitted from that. Stuff happens. Man up and move on. BYU did. 

So adjust the strike zone in the 9th inning?

Also you are disregarding the blatant hold by the BYU offensive lineman also on that play.
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The Big 12 has protected the frontrunners (regardless of which team it is) for the last fifteen seasons at least, and really going back into the aughts.   It became worse after the SEC rise and the Big12 became more desperate for relevance.  TCU's big season a couple of years back came with a huge assist from the conference and the refs.   This is nothing new.

College football has always been more about the spectacle than a pure sport, and the imbalance of the leagues has always been insane, whether it's BMDs buying players in the old days or broadcasters manipulating ratings and playoff spots today.  That's just how it works because it's not a real sport.  It's closer to "pro" wrestling than a sport with enforced parity and actual competition on the field determining champions.  No one should be surprised when any conference puts a thumb on the scale.  There's too much money involved and too little structure. 

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Big 12 fans thoroughly enjoyed it the last 2 years when it was Texas and OU getting screwed left and right.  Not as much fun when the WWF nature of that garbage conference works against your team.  To some extent it's probably the same in every conference protecting their $$ but Big 12 the worst.

There is a desperate need to completely restructure college football officiating.  It needs to be done on a national level (at least as it relates to the Power 4 conferences) without any conference tie ins.  Break up the existing conference crews so they are working with different officials from other conference.  All reviews should be done at a national level.   Lord knows there is more than enough money in college football to do this the right way.  It won't fix all bad calls but it will help with the constant protectionism we've seen when $$ and bids are involved.

I came here to post this exact second paragraph.

This is the only solution.  Every conference has bad officials, and specifically being employed by a conference creates this.

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