Fuck Big 12 refs

[TrashMaster G 17426]

12 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

The Big 12 has protected the frontrunners (regardless of which team it is) for the last fifteen seasons at least*, and really going back into the aughts.   It became worse after the SEC rise and the Big12 became more desperate for relevance.  TCU's big season a couple of years back came with a huge assist from the conference and the refs.   This is nothing new.

College football has always been more about the spectacle than a pure sport, and the imbalance of the leagues has always been insane, whether it's BMDs buying players in the old days or broadcasters manipulating ratings and playoff spots today.  That's just how it works because it's not a real sport.  It's closer to "pro" wrestling than a sport with enforced parity and actual competition on the field determining champions.  No one should be surprised when any conference puts a thumb on the scale.  There's too much money involved and too little structure. 

*Does not apply to 2023

[TrashMaster G 17426]

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

There is a desperate need to completely restructure college football officiating.  It needs to be done on a national level (at least as it relates to the Power 4 conferences) without any conference tie ins.  Break up the existing conference crews so they are working with different officials from other conference.  All reviews should be done at a national level.   Lord knows there is more than enough money in college football to do this the right way.  It won't fix all bad calls but it will help with the constant protectionism we've seen when $$ and bids are involved.

And make sure crew chiefs are not assigned to games in their current conference.

[Nivek 16875]

15 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

The Big 12 has protected the frontrunners (regardless of which team it is) for the last fifteen seasons at least, and really going back into the aughts.   It became worse after the SEC rise and the Big12 became more desperate for relevance.  TCU's big season a couple of years back came with a huge assist from the conference and the refs.   This is nothing new.

College football has always been more about the spectacle than a pure sport, and the imbalance of the leagues has always been insane, whether it's BMDs buying players in the old days or broadcasters manipulating ratings and playoff spots today.  That's just how it works because it's not a real sport.  It's closer to "pro" wrestling than a sport with enforced parity and actual competition on the field determining champions.  No one should be surprised when any conference puts a thumb on the scale.  There's too much money involved and too little structure. 

They sure as shit didn't protect us during the 2008 Texas Tech game where we were on the track to face the Gators in the MNC.   Instead, they put OU into that game only for them to lose because it was funny to them.  OU and Tech would have still had good bowl games and the conference would have likely had another title winner.  

[satyanash 14328]

 

[HtownHorn 14573]

Big 12 is thinking that 11-2 CG Colorado and 12-1 BYU are both getting into the playoffs. They are obviously protecting those teams to try to get that scenario.

[Samson's Wig 3182]

4 minutes ago, Nivek said:

They sure as shit didn't protect us during the 2008 Texas Tech game where we were on the track to face the Gators in the MNC.   Instead, they put OU into that game only for them to lose because it was funny to them.  OU and Tech would have still had good bowl games and the conference would have likely had another title winner.  

Maybe. That game in Lubbock involved some absolute gifts from the refs to help the team get back in the game. Ultimately, despite the assistance, they didn't get it done on the field.  The tiebreaker rules were what they were (although to be honest, I'm too many whiskeys away from remembering how all of that went down at the end of that crazy season).  It's a shame that ESPN bought the SEC the next year, and things panned out the way they have since.   Big 12 football in that decade was fun.  It has been a complete shitshow since, so good riddance.

[statsman 5430]

20 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Big 12 is thinking that 11-2 CG Colorado and 12-1 BYU are both getting into the playoffs. They are obviously protecting those teams to try to get that scenario.

Let’s say 11-1 ND is in. Let’s say one ACC team is in. One G5 champ is in. 
 
Let’s say tOSU wins the B1G and UGA wins the SEC. That leaves seven spots. 
 
12-1 Oregon. 
11-1 Indiana. 
11-1 PSU

11-2 Texas

10-2 Tennessee

10-2 Ole Miss

10-2 Alabama

10-2 Missouri

10-2 Clemson

11-2 SMU

Which four of those teams would the B12 CG loser get in ahead of, even if it is a 12-1 BYU? I’ll give you SMU and Missouri. Who else?

Edited Monday at 09:15 PM by statsman

[TrashMaster G 17426]

10 minutes ago, statsman said:

Let’s say 11-1 ND is in. Let’s say one ACC team is in. One G5 champ is in. 
 
Let’s say tOSU wins the B1G and UGA wins the SEC. That leaves seven spots. 
 
12-1 Oregon. 
11-1 Indiana. 
11-1 PSU

11-2 Texas

10-2 Tennessee

10-2 Ole Miss

10-2 Alabama

10-2 Missouri

10-2 Clemson

11-2 SMU

Which four of those teams would the B12 CG loser get in ahead of, even if it is a 12-1 BYU? I’ll give you SMU and Missouri. Who else?

Who is the B12 CCG loser and what is their record in this scenario?

[Pods 7541]

8 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Who is the B12 CCG loser 

Everyone

[Crockett 490]

If BYU wins the CCG, then only BYU gets in. If BYU wins out but loses in the CCG, then BYU should also get in regardless of all the SEC fart sniffers. If BYU drops 2 games in the remaining schedule, then only the B12 CCG gets in. 

[statsman 5430]

2 minutes ago, Crockett said:

If BYU wins the CCG, then only BYU gets in. If BYU wins out but loses in the CCG, then BYU should also get in regardless of all the SEC fart sniffers. If BYU drops 2 games in the remaining schedule, then only the B12 CCG gets in. 

On the Sagarin Predictor rating, BYU is 26th. BYU deserves nothing if it doesn’t win the B12 CG. 

[Had Enough 2057]

53 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Maybe. That game in Lubbock involved some absolute gifts from the refs to help the team get back in the game. Ultimately, despite the assistance, they didn't get it done on the field. 

This is a prime example of someone trying too hard to be impartial.

Absolute gifts and assistance.  The only holding call that led to a pick 6.  The blatant holds that led to an injury.  The multiple face masks committed against our dline (these aren’t subjective by the way).

Oh but an official throwing a flag from 40 yards away on a borderline block in the back then picking it up = an absolute gift.  What were the other gifts?

[Beau Vine 54042]

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

There is a desperate need to completely restructure college football officiating.  It needs to be done on a national level (at least as it relates to the Power 4 conferences) without any conference tie ins.  Break up the existing conference crews so they are working with different officials from other conference.  All reviews should be done at a national level.   Lord knows there is more than enough money in college football to do this the right way.  It won't fix all bad calls but it will help with the constant protectionism we've seen when $$ and bids are involved.

How has that worked out for NCAA basketball?

[Rudiger 1160]

6 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

How has that worked out for NCAA basketball?

Don’t know. I haven’t watched in years because the officiating is so bad. 

[Deej 76620]

Just make the conferences switch ref crews unannounced. 

 

[Nivek 16875]

1 hour ago, Samson's Wig said:

Maybe. That game in Lubbock involved some absolute gifts from the refs to help the team get back in the game. Ultimately, despite the assistance, they didn't get it done on the field.  The tiebreaker rules were what they were (although to be honest, I'm too many whiskeys away from remembering how all of that went down at the end of that crazy season).  It's a shame that ESPN bought the SEC the next year, and things panned out the way they have since.   Big 12 football in that decade was fun.  It has been a complete shitshow since, so good riddance.

Not really.  They fucked us over that game.  The best way to negate a good defensive line is to allow holding.  Before that game they were getting called for holding, and quite a few penalties, and suddenly during that game, they magically cleaned up their act, and we got called for ticky-tacky shit and our penalties went up.  Those same fucks were responsible for the 2015 OSU game, and they had a history of penalizing Texas more than others from what I recall.    I also seem to recall that offensive line of theirs getting dominated in their bowl game when they were not allowed to hold because they simply couldn't function without it.  

[Rimbo 25872]

4 hours ago, PvilleStang said:

I call BS on this.  Broken clock is right twice a day.  Mar is just horribad at his job and occasionally is incorrect to the satisfaction of the league handlers.  You want to be good at your job, you'd find ways to make the screw job less apparent.

No, Mar excels at his job. The trouble is, you seem to think his job is to call games fairly. Mar knows his job is to serve the conference who employs him. These calls are too perfectly timed to merely be called incompetence.

3 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

What is Kevin Mar's cut ?

His salary.

[Armybrat 40759]

33 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This is a prime example of someone trying too hard to be impartial.

Absolute gifts and assistance.  The only holding call that led to a pick 6.  The blatant holds that led to an injury.  The multiple face masks committed against our dline (these aren’t subjective by the way).

Oh but an official throwing a flag from 40 yards away on a borderline block in the back then picking it up = an absolute gift.  What were the other gifts?

Appropriate username

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

so Jomboy noticed that the Utah AD was screaming at Mar and telling him thats why he was fired from the Pac 12.

 

Jomboy misunderstood and thought that mean he had been fired last year from the pac 12... but as we all know Mar has been fucking up big 12 games for years. 

 

I thought Mar was part of the 2015 OSU fucking.  but this bio of Kevin  says he was made Ref in 2015, worked the pac 12 for 3 years and "returned" to the big 12 as ref in 2020?

 

 

 

[Chewbacca 7730]

1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

Big 12 is thinking that 11-2 CG Colorado and 12-1 BYU are both getting into the playoffs. They are obviously protecting those teams to try to get that scenario.

What?  CU had 14 penalties for 106 yards against Tech, and when Deion complained to the refs that fans were throwing beers and water bottles at their players, the refs told him that his players were blowing kisses to the fans after scores.

[Chewbacca 7730]

On 11/10/2024 at 8:18 AM, satyanash said:

Same thing happened in the Colorado-TTU game. Unquestionably biased officiating in the Buffs' favour.

 

Now show the makeup roughing call that Tech got in the 4th.  Was equally bad.

CU got flagged 14 times in that game.  The refs were not helping them.

[Hagbard Celine 10795]

that is awesome

kevin mar having to eat it from someone not in burnt orange

[n64ra 1079]

So Kevin Mar left the Pac 12 now that it has no games and is in the Big 12? Doesn't sound like he got fired.

[Deej 76620]

11 minutes ago, n64ra said:

So Kevin Mar left the Pac 12 now that it has no games and is in the Big 12? Doesn't sound like he got fired.

Pay attention, people. Geez.

[Pods 7541]

29 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I thought Mar was part of the 2015 OSU fucking.  but this bio of Kevin  says he was made Ref in 2015, worked the pac 12 for 3 years and "returned" to the big 12 as ref in 2020?

 

I believe this was Alan Eck's crew.

 

4 minutes ago, n64ra said:

So Kevin Mar left the Pac 12 now that it has no games and is in the Big 12? Doesn't sound like he got fired.

 

No. Mar was PAC through 2019 and jointed the Big XII in 2020. 

Utah AD is the one saying Mar got fired by the Pac. 

If he's been fired once, it makes sense why Mar is willing to do whatever the Big XII wants him to do. 

 

 

[Dennis Taylor 18732]

12 minutes ago, n64ra said:

So Kevin Mar left the Pac 12 now that it has no games and is in the Big 12? Doesn't sound like he got fired.

He got fired by pac 12 well before they went away, then he blatantly fucked Texas over for a few years in tbe big 12 and now Utah has to cross paths with him again in the big 12. Not that hard to figure out 

[HtownHorn 14573]

1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

What?  CU had 14 penalties for 106 yards against Tech, and when Deion complained to the refs that fans were throwing beers and water bottles at their players, the refs told him that his players were blowing kisses to the fans after scores.

and yet there were multiple blown calls that benefited CU.

[Rimbo 25872]

2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

and yet there were multiple blown calls that benefited CU.

It's about when the call happens more than anything else. Did the call affect the game? Was it consistent with how the game was being called before that? That's what makes the calls against Utah fishy. They were against how the game had been called, and were at a few moments that would've sealed the win for Utah.

And we've seen this crew pull this same stunt before. We KNOW what's up.

[Chewbacca 7730]

34 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

and yet there were multiple blown calls that benefited CU.

Lol, sure.  The refs did CU no favors on Saturday.

[LTtxfan 49053]

52 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Lol, sure.  The refs did CU no favors on Saturday.

 

 

[Nivek 16875]

5 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

This is the only solution.  Every conference has bad officials, and specifically being employed by a conference creates this.

Mack Brown brought this up nearly 25 years ago.  This isn't something new.  

[Eskimohorn 5623]

*Does not apply to 2023

*Or 2008 (Lubbock) or 2018 (B12)

[MontereyMX 869]

not sure im understanding why the tortilla throwing is not a flag especially on kickoff while the ball is in the air and that shit is hitting the turf while the play is still live? 

[Zeus 6006]

16 hours ago, satyanash said:

 

Came here to post this

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['stache 21778]

It was a fucking hold. Hey Utah, the Big 10 doesn’t want you, period. Feel free to go back to the pac. Officiating is easy to fix, just have one or two guys in the booth (or anywhere really) watching the replays immediately after the whistle and call down if it needs to be changed. We all see whether the call was right from the first replay in broadcast most of the time. Not sure it can be fixed in basketball, there’s no real objective way to judge most block/charge calls and that’s probably what makes basketball increasingly difficult to watch.

[Had Enough 2057]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It was a fucking hold. Hey Utah, the Big 10 doesn’t want you, period. Feel free to go back to the pac. Officiating is easy to fix, just have one or two guys in the booth (or anywhere really) watching the replays immediately after the whistle and call down if it needs to be changed. We all see whether the call was right from the first replay in broadcast most of the time. Not sure it can be fixed in basketball, there’s no real objective way to judge most block/charge calls and that’s probably what makes basketball increasingly difficult to watch.

The NFL has made strides with this.

This is one simple improvement.  Do away with conference officials would help.  And no need for the ref to gallop to the sideline for review.  Let the booth call down and explain the end result.

[NorthLoop 14140]

Don't care if the call was right or not, Kevin Mar having his shit put on blast nationally by someone other than Texas makes me happy. 

['stache 21778]

And I find joy in seeing Utah AD get dragged for being a bitch. I can pull dozens of bad calls out of my brain that made me want to riot over the years, shit happens. But if you’re gonna go off the fucking handle in front of a camera, maybe pick a call that was, you know, actually wrong. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:33 PM by 'stache

[BurntOrange&White 39815]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And I find joy in seeing Utah AD get dragged for being a bitch. I can pull dozens of bad calls out of my brain that made me want to riot over the years, shit happens. But if you’re gonna go off the fucking handle in front of a camera, maybe pick a call that was, you know, actually wrong. 

It was wrong call...

[Crockett 490]

This view shows how bad the hold was and the QB looking at him to see if that receiver is open. He's held and the QB has to look elsewhere. That hold absolutely impacted the play and was the right call. 

 

[PvilleStang 2856]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

It was a fucking hold. Hey Utah, the Big 10 doesn’t want you, period. Feel free to go back to the pac. Officiating is easy to fix, just have one or two guys in the booth (or anywhere really) watching the replays immediately after the whistle and call down if it needs to be changed. We all see whether the call was right from the first replay in broadcast most of the time. Not sure it can be fixed in basketball, there’s no real objective way to judge most block/charge calls and that’s probably what makes basketball increasingly difficult to watch.

Again, you let them play the entire game, then throw the first real Defensive Holding call on what should have been BYU's last play of the game while ignoring the hold at the O-Line?!  As they said before, this is calling a tight strike zone, then the last batter you give the pitcher an extra wide zone.  The batters have learned the SZ already for the game, but now you're completely changing it in favor of the team in the field.

[PvilleStang 2856]

2 minutes ago, Crockett said:

This view shows how bad the hold was and the QB looking at him to see if that receiver is open. He's held and the QB has to look elsewhere. That hold absolutely impacted the play and was the right call. 

 

Yeah, you're not a homer or anything...  Great hold on the O-Line, btw.  It's bigger than your mormon undies.

[Pimphand 5645]

5 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

Again, you let them play the entire game, then throw the first real Defensive Holding call on what should have been BYU's last play of the game while ignoring the hold at the O-Line?!  As they said before, this is calling a tight strike zone, then the last batter you give the pitcher an extra wide zone.  The batters have learned the SZ already for the game, but now you're completely changing it in favor of the team in the field.

This is the core issue...

[Crockett 490]

1 hour ago, PvilleStang said:

Again, you let them play the entire game, then throw the first real Defensive Holding call on what should have been BYU's last play of the game while ignoring the hold at the O-Line?!  As they said before, this is calling a tight strike zone, then the last batter you give the pitcher an extra wide zone.  The batters have learned the SZ already for the game, but now you're completely changing it in favor of the team in the field.

BS. That is an egregious hold. That is not just a yank to the jersey to slow the receiver down, that you could maybe let slide. It was so bad the DB almost caused the receiver to fall. The DB got busted and deserved it. 

Regarding the o-line hold (didn't see it), there was also an egregious hands to the face of a blocker that could have been called on Utah on that play and was not. So that cancels each other out as far as I am concerned.

[Fondren & Main 6677]

10 minutes ago, Crockett said:

BS. That is an egregious hold. That is not just a yank to the jersey to slow the receiver down, that you could maybe let slide. It was so bad the DB almost caused the receiver to fall. The DB got busted and deserved it. 

Regarding the o-line hold (didn't see it), there was also an egregious hands to the face of a blocker that could have been called on Utah on that play and was not. So that cancels each other out as far as I am concerned.

One day your team will be on the receiving end of a Big 12 ref buttfucking.  Don't complain when you get buttfucked.  Everyone here is gonna laugh.

[someguy 1486]

13 minutes ago, Crockett said:

BS. That is an egregious hold. That is not just a yank to the jersey to slow the receiver down, that you could maybe let slide. It was so bad the DB almost caused the receiver to fall. The DB got busted and deserved it. 

Regarding the o-line hold (didn't see it), there was also an egregious hands to the face of a blocker that could have been called on Utah on that play and was not. So that cancels each other out as far as I am concerned.

cancelled out would mean replaying the down, not granting the automatic first down.  Making the call on Utah but not the offsetting call on BYU benefits BYU.  Do you want all the technical infractions called or not?

[Chewbacca 7730]

16 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

 

 

Yep, I mentioned that earlier in the thread.  The idea that the refs were on CU's side on Saturday is laughable.

[statsman 5430]

1 hour ago, Crockett said:

BS. That is an egregious hold. That is not just a yank to the jersey to slow the receiver down, that you could maybe let slide. It was so bad the DB almost caused the receiver to fall. The DB got busted and deserved it. 

Uh, no. 
 
Technically, a hold. Not called scores of times per game. Would have been fine as a no-call. 

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2912]

Hilarious we’ve got osu fans here complaining about big 12 refs. 
 

[Hagbard Celine 10795]

the 15 game was the match that lit the fuse with the cigars and the tower

it took 6 years for aggy to announce it a year early, but that means the wheels were turning before bevo tried to gore uga