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Media is just hung up on the 14-0 difference in penalties stat. The first flag of the game was a holding call on the OSU RT. The dumbass UT coaches declined the penalty, basically giving OSU 3 pts bec

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I don’t have any UT fans I hate…  Live in a bubble.  Hell I have many more UT friends/family vs OU.  I’m saying all that to preface this: I’ll happily root for UT in the championship, if/when they mak

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I know that last year, two offensive holding calls made on Texas opponents were compensated for by calling personal fouls on Texas on later plays, to keep drives going. 
 
The same happened in the KSU game, except that the Texas pf was called on the same play as KSU’s holding call. 
 
Have there been any opponent holding calls this year, not undone by a personal foul?

 We really should be miking the officials’ locker and the review booth. 

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2 minutes ago, Cajun said:

There is zero non comical argument to be made that Stoops wasn’t blatantly interfered with on that play.  Anyone debating that it was a clean play is simply not anyone to take seriously.

Absolutely. The DB made a good decision- do whatever it takes to keep him from catching it, and live with the penalty to fight on the next down. 
 
And then there was no penalty. I bet the DB was as surprised as anyone. 

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If I was a litigator and had my own firm, I think i might send some kind of notice to the Big 12 office on behalf of a potential class of sports betters asking to preserve all correspondence between conference administrators and officials just to fuck with them with the clear implication that you suspect fraud.  Litigators that have their own firm can tell me why that might be a bad idea.  But would love for Yormark to squirm a bit with his fuckery and start having to think about if he or the idiots that work for him might have put something stupid in writing.

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10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

If I was a litigator and had my own firm, I think i might send some kind of notice to the Big 12 office on behalf of a potential class of sports betters asking to preserve all correspondence between conference administrators and officials just to fuck with them with the clear implication that you suspect fraud.  Litigators that have their own firm can tell me why that might be a bad idea.  But would love for Yormark to squirm a bit with his fuckery and start having to think about if he or the idiots that work for him might have put something stupid in writing.

Hell if ticket holders are buying tickets expecting a fair competition and that competition is in fact not being fairly administered then every ticket purchaser would have a grievance.

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I was arguing with a Poke on reddit that Big 12 refs just love Gundy and consistently call games favorably to OSU. He said that was just the Texas fan in me talking, but I remembered a terrible call from 2021 where an ISU TD was taken off the board for "taunting". I found the video and imagine my shock when I saw the ref on the call:

Sidenote - Matt Campbell is still a whiny little bitch. 

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

I was arguing with a Poke on reddit that Big 12 refs just love Gundy and consistently call games favorably to OSU. He said that was just the Texas fan in me talking, but I remembered a terrible call from 2021 where an ISU TD was taken off the board for "taunting". I found the video and imagine my shock when I saw the ref on the call:

Sidenote - Matt Campbell is still a whiny little bitch. 

Clearly your Burnt Orange glasses…

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

I was arguing with a Poke on reddit that Big 12 refs just love Gundy and consistently call games favorably to OSU. He said that was just the Texas fan in me talking, but I remembered a terrible call from 2021 where an ISU TD was taken off the board for "taunting". I found the video and imagine my shock when I saw the ref on the call:

Sidenote - Matt Campbell is still a whiny little bitch. 

Maybe Kevin Mar warned him first?

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On 11/7/2023 at 11:30 AM, ImissWallyPryor said:

Can’t believe I’m siding with a Stoops, but the reason he stepped out was because he was being mugged and pulled OOB.

This is just before his right foot came down, but the PI started a full step earlier.

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I'm an old and lazy, but want to make a comment on pass interference rules college vs. NFL. I saw this play as obvious pi on osu. Using this as an example, if Stoops catches the ball while he's in the air, no interference and looks like he'll land good for the TD....the college defender can push his ass 3 yards out of bounds once catch is made with no penalty.  In the NFL the official will mark the play at the assuming location the receiver would have landed. This was the rule back in the day and I think it still is today,  but too lazy to look up. 

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9 minutes ago, Victor R. Franko said:

I'm an old and lazy, but want to make a comment on pass interference rules college vs. NFL. I saw this play as obvious pi on osu. Using this as an example, if Stoops catches the ball while he's in the air, no interference and looks like he'll land good for the TD....the college defender can push his ass 3 yards out of bounds once catch is made with no penalty.  In the NFL the official will mark the play at the assuming location the receiver would have landed. This was the rule back in the day and I think it still is today,  but too lazy to look up. 

You're about 15 years late.  The force-out rule changed in 2008, and obviously wasn't catastrophic as this article was afraid it would be.  

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/16689-the-new-force-out-rule-trouble-ahead.amp.html

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Hell if ticket holders are buying tickets expecting a fair competition and that competition is in fact not being fairly administered then every ticket purchaser would have a grievance.

If it works like the NFL, they've already tried that on a rigged looking game and the court deemed it "entertainment" and you pay for the show, there's no expectation for it to be a fair game.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-fan-wants-supreme-court-to-review-lawsuit-vs-patriots-09000d5d81d53082

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3 hours ago, hookemATL said:

They are garbage and corrupt. 
 

given my druthers, I’d take Mar to a corn field and give him the same treatment Joe Pesci got in Casino. 
 

 

I would hope that entails leaving him in the field so that the buzzards could pick over his carcass.

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4 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

Should we get together a Surly scholarship to send one of us to this academy where Kevin Mar teaches?  You could probably give him shit for several days.

https://sasafootball.com/speaker/kevin-mar/

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BIOGRAPHY

For this upcoming 2022 Season Kevin will begin his 28th year officiating football and his 16th working Division I. He started out working as a Line Judge in CFO West in 2006 and then moved to Referee in 2015. He also spent three seasons working at Referee in the PAC-12 Conference before returning to the Big 12 in 2020 as a Referee. Kevin has worked 13 Bowl Games, the 2017 MWC Championship Game, and 2008 FCS National Championship Game. Kevin is very active in Nebraska High School Football officiating and has created the Nebraska High School Replay Protocol for the State Championships, and is the Replay Official for the Football Championships. During the off-season, Kevin is a High School Basketball, and Baseball State Tournament official. He works as a medical sales representative and enjoys playing golf, fucking the Texas Longhorns over in football games,  and spending time with his family.

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The top is obviously the bump into Strong intentionally to throw a personal foul flag.  I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like that at any level of sport.  It was clearly personal.

  But, as for this season, I'm pretty sure it was Mar or one of his minions that was caught on film in the Wyoming game screaming at Ewers for celebrating a TD that was about a 3/10 on the level of what is considered permissible for TD celebrations in the current era.  It was bizarre.  And no doubt setting up the possibility to call anything other than quietly handing the ball to the official on the next TD with the explanation that "I warned you".   That crew is just pure garbage.

That game was an all-timer.  It also had the ridiculous defensive holding call against one of our DL which is still one of the most absurd flags I have seen.

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You know it's bad when Bohl's writes this:

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/columns/2023/11/08/texas-football-longhorns-referee-officiating-calls-big-12/71490918007/?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=bevobeat

 

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Texas isn't getting the benefit of any calls

1. Parting Big 12 gifts: This isn’t to suggest a conspiracy that the Big 12 has it in for Texas, but it is highly curious how the Longhorns have rarely gotten the benefit of officiating in their final year in the league. Would sure appear to be the case because the Longhorns can’t seem to buy a holding or pass interference call against their opponents. In eight games, discounting the win at Alabama officiated by SEC refs, opponents have been flagged for only four holding calls (just two were accepted, and one of them was negated by a Texas late hit) and one pass interference penalty by Big 12 refs. ONE. Coincidence? That’s a tough one, given Texas’ pending exit for the SEC and its, uh, popularity in the Big 12. When I asked Steve Sarkisian about the disparity Monday, the Texas head coach said T’Vondre Sweat and Byron Murphy II are “the two most dominant interior defensive linemen in the country, and I’m not sure they’ve had a holding penalty called against either of them (by opposing offensive linemen, though one favored Murphy last week).” He cited similar disparity with wide receivers Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Worthy, one of the best tandems in college football. (Mitchell has had just one drop all year, and Worthy only four.) The only time an opponent was whistled for pass interference came in the Baylor game on a Worthy play. Worthy looked to be held twice blatantly, once in the end zone, against Kansas State but there was no call. (Oklahoma feels Texas’ pain. Yes, it was clearly pass interference. Sorry, Drake Stoops.) … “We don’t have time to complain about (potential penalties), but that’s the way it goes,” said Sarkisian. He sends in disputed plays to the league office and said, “Sometimes they come back, and they do agree with me. I don’t want to complain just to complain. But there are tools in that so we can learn how to effectively not get hold or get pass interference called.” … It was strange that the officiating crew wasn’t going to award Texas possession on Jaylan Ford’s fumble recovery on the Kansas State 5 until a UT timeout gave the refs time to review and overturn the call.

 

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8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You know it's bad when Bohl's writes this:

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/columns/2023/11/08/texas-football-longhorns-referee-officiating-calls-big-12/71490918007/?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=bevobeat

 

 

Finally that useless dipshit has written something that borders on real journalism. Call em out, Kirk.

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5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We blow them out in both 2015 and last year with reasonably fair officiating.  Those games were both rigged.

Heard was going up and down the field with ease.  It was THE most rigged game I've ever seen.  The absolute chicken shit flag on Strong was maybe the single worst call ever.  To have a ref walk into him, then throw the flag.  I'm no Strong apologist, but nobody deserves that level of shit.  

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4 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Finally that useless dipshit has written something that borders on real journalism. Call em out, Kirk.

I know it's a pipe dream, but I sure wish the SEC would start taking shots at the Rig12 about how they are so butthurt that they are trying to tank the chances of the two teams leaving.  

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16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You know it's bad when Bohl's writes this:

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/columns/2023/11/08/texas-football-longhorns-referee-officiating-calls-big-12/71490918007/?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=bevobeat

 

 

Oh... So now it is obvious Bohl's read surly....

So... just since we know you are reading this...

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3 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

I was arguing with a Poke on reddit that Big 12 refs just love Gundy and consistently call games favorably to OSU. He said that was just the Texas fan in me talking, but I remembered a terrible call from 2021 where an ISU TD was taken off the board for "taunting". I found the video and imagine my shock when I saw the ref on the call:

 

 

Perhaps its time to fund a NIH deal available to any player of any team that accidently runs into him full speed and takes this bitch out for rest of the season.  

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2 hours ago, Victor R. Franko said:

I'm an old and lazy, but want to make a comment on pass interference rules college vs. NFL. I saw this play as obvious pi on osu. Using this as an example, if Stoops catches the ball while he's in the air, no interference and looks like he'll land good for the TD....the college defender can push his ass 3 yards out of bounds once catch is made with no penalty.  In the NFL the official will mark the play at the assuming location the receiver would have landed. This was the rule back in the day and I think it still is today,  but too lazy to look up. 

I’ve often wondered why college DBs don’t lift and carry receivers OOB on sideline (or EZ) catches, assuming they are in the position to do so. 

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2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Finally that useless dipshit has written something that borders on real journalism. Call em out, Kirk.

Meh.  He's "just saying."  Not even "just asking questions."  Kurt is a feckless relic.

And not to be that guy, but maybe we could tone down some of the allusions to physical retribution.  They're funny and quite obviously in jest, but I wouldn't count on a guy who can't tell the difference between laying on a ball and having possession of it to make that subtle distinction, nor of one so thin-skinned and petty to visibly chide players on TV as he does to not be a little bitch about it and make a terroristic threat claim.

Our group's last run-in with a humorless fuck resulted in me having to change my bookmarks.

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5 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

I was arguing with a Poke on reddit that Big 12 refs just love Gundy and consistently call games favorably to OSU. He said that was just the Texas fan in me talking, but I remembered a terrible call from 2021 where an ISU TD was taken off the board for "taunting". I found the video and imagine my shock when I saw the ref on the call:

Sidenote - Matt Campbell is still a whiny little bitch. 

@oSuJeff97 care to comment, or is some crow still stuck in your throat?

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10 minutes ago, Damor said:

Meh.  He's "just saying."  Not even "just asking questions."  Kurt is a feckless relic.

And not to be that guy, but maybe we could tone down some of the allusions to physical retribution.  They're funny and quite obviously in jest, but I wouldn't count on a guy who can't tell the difference between laying on a ball and having possession of it to make that subtle distinction, nor of one so thin-skinned and petty to visibly chide players on TV as he does to not be a little bitch about it and make a terroristic threat claim.

Our group's last run-in with a humorless fuck resulted in me having to change my bookmarks.

If Kevin Mar accusing Surly of terroristic threats brings this that much more attention to the matter then we will happily sacrifice immamac to the cause. 

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3 hours ago, kevwun said:

That game was an all-timer.  It also had the ridiculous defensive holding call against one of our DL which is still one of the most absurd flags I have seen.

Even more absurd, on that same play, we had a defensive lineman being held, from behind, with two arms wrapped around his neck. He was pulled to the ground. From behind. Fuck off, Walt.

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3 hours ago, Zeus said:

If it works like the NFL, they've already tried that on a rigged looking game and the court deemed it "entertainment" and you pay for the show, there's no expectation for it to be a fair game.

 

Then that should be required to be printed very prominently on each and every ticket same as the warning on cigarette boxes.

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Uhhh... what ticket?

It can be a part of the wall of words you have to scroll through and click “agree” before you download your ticket; because we as a society have decided that fine print has as much place in any consumer situation such as buying a ticket to a sporting event or downloading the operating system you need to make your thousand dollar phone work as it does when you are signing an agreement to borrow $650K and pay it back over 30 years.
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