Transfer of Power Thread

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

Are we going to get a historic lbj / Jackie o photo ? Well minus the First Lady, she won’t be around 

does pence count as the first gay president ?

[atomheartbevo 89,430]

58 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

does pence count as the first gay president ?

William Rufus King's better half says "hi!"

[formermav43 4,599]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

William Rufus King's better half says "hi!"

Beat me to it.

[Parliament 14,135]

William Rufus King's better half says "hi!"

*allegedly

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

Ok seriously someone fill me in on the technicalities.  Sure, trump dies, pence gets sworn in asap.  But how incapacitated does Trump have to be for pence to take the reigns?  I know trump could sign it over, but what if he doesn't, or if he suddenly goes unconscious.  The extent not my knowledge of this comes from watching Air Force One. 

[conVINCEd 21,468]

4 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Ok seriously someone fill me in on the technicalities.  Sure, trump dies, pence gets sworn in asap.  But how incapacitated does Trump have to be for pence to take the reigns?  I know trump could sign it over, but what if he doesn't, or if he suddenly goes unconscious.  The extent not my knowledge of this comes from watching Air Force One. 

Majority of the cabinet can invoke 25A at any time.  

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

If he goes on a ventilator, he has to hand over power ????

[Anastasis 23,395]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

If he goes on a ventilator, he has to hand over power ????

He would be bigly sedated. If he goes on a vent pence is running the show. 

[Horn Dog 9,672]

In on page 1.

 

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[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

Man, the fqpping going on over this fantasy must be filling Kleenex, and sewer systems nation wide....

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

34 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Man, the fqpping going on over this fantasy must be filling Kleenex, and sewer systems nation wide....

No fantasy here, pence is a bigger idiot than president potato head 

I’m also curious, how much can the hide his current condition ? Going on a ventilator less than 30 days before the election is a huge hit 

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

No fantasy here, pence is a bigger idiot than president potato head 

I’m also curious, how much can the hide his current condition ? Going on a ventilator less than 30 days before the election is a huge hit 

I'd bet they're doing everything available to create a quick recovery ?  Did he go on a vent ?

[kevwun 15,647]

The vent is the last resort.  They don’t put you on one unless they have to and it’s a crapshoot if someone will make it at that point.

[Bateshorn 9,899]

He’s not on a ventilator, but he looked terrible in that video.  I’m sure they have him on oxygen when he’s not fake working from some random conference room for the cameras.

As far as succession, as noted, the 25th amendment controls here. 

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

Wild card scenario : pence gets sick, pelosi moves up, can she rescind the Barrett nomination ???? 😂😂😂

[JFKFC 4,878]

18 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

does pence count as the first gay president ?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/01/lincoln200501

[Bateshorn 9,899]

25 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Wild card scenario : pence gets sick, pelosi moves up, can she rescind the Barrett nomination ???? 😂😂😂

In theory, yes. In practical terms, probably not.
 

Pompeo would immediately sue Pelosi over the Presidential Sucession Act, during the couple of days it took the SC to sort that out, McConnell would break every rule in the Senate to get Barrett on the court. If Pence tests positive while the President is hospitalized, my guess is McConnell will immediately move Barrett to the floor by any means necessary. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Bateshorn

[BillyBadAss 189]

It's pretty clearly laid out what happens if the President is incapacitated or dies. It's clear what happens if the Pres and VP both die. 

It's less clear, as I understand it, as to what happens if the Pres and VP are both incapacitated. 

Also less clear what happens if someone dies during or after the election.  

WAPO ran this recently which discusses some of it: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/continuity-government-trump-coronavirus/2020/10/02/f20143f8-04ca-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html

Edited October 4, 2020 by BillyBadAss

[The Dog 43,804]

Article form AP that explains what happens.

https://www.startribune.com/ap-explains-what-happens-if-a-candidate-for-president-dies/572630231/

Basically, if they can't figure out what to do with electors then the House chooses the president and the senate the VP.

[BillyBadAss 189]

What's interesting re: the House choosing the POTUS is that each state's delegation gets a single vote. According to the article The Dog posted, the GOP has a majority delegation in 26 states - but that would change after the election. The new Congress is sworn in Jan 3 and receives the Electoral College votes Jan 6. 

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

Crazy times

we’re a banana republic 

[MissingInAction 24,818]

I, for one, welcome our new gay overlord.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

This is not very reassuring. The thought of a GOP senate picking a VP is agitating.

If the President were to go on a vent, we wouldn't hear it. At least I'm not confident we would.

[tx 3 putt 76,372]

If be fine with a military coup 

[Earl Haffler 584]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

Article form AP that explains what happens.

https://www.startribune.com/ap-explains-what-happens-if-a-candidate-for-president-dies/572630231/

Basically, if they can't figure out what to do with electors then the House chooses the president and the senate the VP.

I believe this is what actually happens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_(film)

 

[MissingInAction 24,818]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

If be fine with a military coup 

It's the only way to be sure.

[DDD Dad 14,251]

On 10/3/2020 at 8:46 PM, dingleberryswitzer said:

Ok seriously someone fill me in on the technicalities.  Sure, trump dies, pence gets sworn in asap.  But how incapacitated does Trump have to be for pence to take the reigns?  I know trump could sign it over, but what if he doesn't, or if he suddenly goes unconscious.  The extent not my knowledge of this comes from watching Air Force One. 

Reins

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On 10/3/2020 at 8:46 PM, dingleberryswitzer said:

Ok seriously someone fill me in on the technicalities.  Sure, trump dies, pence gets sworn in asap.  But how incapacitated does Trump have to be for pence to take the reigns?  I know trump could sign it over, but what if he doesn't, or if he suddenly goes unconscious.  The extent not my knowledge of this comes from watching Air Force One. 

It may not even be Pence that takes the reins.

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

On 10/3/2020 at 9:46 PM, dingleberryswitzer said:

Ok seriously someone fill me in on the technicalities.  Sure, trump dies, pence gets sworn in asap.  But how incapacitated does Trump have to be for pence to take the reigns?  I know trump could sign it over, but what if he doesn't, or if he suddenly goes unconscious.  The extent not my knowledge of this comes from watching Air Force One. 

 

On 10/3/2020 at 9:51 PM, conVINCEd said:

Majority of the cabinet can invoke 25A at any time.  

Yep, and he will have to be dead before they act. He has been mentally unfit to be president for a long time. And that's why they love him. He lets them fulfill their own agendas no matter how bad they may be.  None of them will act even if he is unconscious for a week. In fact, I don't think there will be an instant transfer of power to Pence if Trump dies. Pence doesn't have first hand knowledge of Trump's health. He is kept separately so that he doesn't catch covid. All the in between people have their own agendas, and will squeeze a few more "Trump said to do..." out while they can. 

Reagan was probably in even worse mental shape than Trump toward the end of his Presidency. Still, I'd rather have that Reagan making decisions than a healthy Trump. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

12 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

What's interesting re: the House choosing the POTUS is that each state's delegation gets a single vote. According to the article The Dog posted, the GOP has a majority delegation in 26 states - but that would change after the election. The new Congress is sworn in Jan 3 and receives the Electoral College votes Jan 6. 

 

If we ended up trying that, it's a waste of time to even bother with waiting on the House delegations to vote. Just start shooting at Fort Sumter and get it started already instead. 

I also don't think it is quite so bad. I believe those rules are for when the election winner dies after the election. I think the parties have their own rules for candidate replacement before the election. 

Still our nation is unraveling because a tyrannical minority can gain power under the regular rules. So of course the emergency rules give the minority party even more power.  So Biden wins, dies of something, and we end up with Gaetz-My Pillow instead.