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42 minutes ago, QuesoEspecial said:

Army beat UTSA in San Antonio this year

 

38 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Army is #98 in the ESPN efficiency metric so that's not a team considered in the top 50 discussion. 

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Army beat an undefeated and 17th ranked Air Force in Colorado Springs at over a mile above sea level this year. They fucking crushed them and gave up only a field goal.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401520361
 

Don’t know what Army’s major malfunctions have been in their losses this year, but they can be a team of bad motherfuckers.

PLUS: Since San Antonio is a major military town, and Texas is loaded with active military within a 3 hour drive to San Antonio, I would wager $1 that Army had more fans in attendance than UT San Antonio did.

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34 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Urban Meyer took a Utah program that had 1 ten win season in its 100 year history and went 10-2 and 12-0 in two years there. I don’t know how many top 50 teams he beat, but presumably a few as he beat several P5 teams (or whatever they were called then) during that run. 

That Traylor isn’t an Urban level slam dunk hire isn’t exactly a hot take. But it’s not unrealistic for a truly elite coach to break through from a small school. 

Obviously his performance at Utah was impressive and he proved to be a very good hire everywhere he went, but in the interest of relevancy I have to point out that 100 year history included multiple undefeated seasons where they played fewer than 10 games.

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5 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

 

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Army beat an undefeated and 17th ranked Air Force in Colorado Springs at over a mile above sea level this year. They fucking crushed them and gave up only a field goal.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401520361
 

Don’t know what Army’s major malfunctions have been in their losses this year, but they can be a team of bad motherfuckers.

PLUS: Since San Antonio is a major military town, and Texas is loaded with active military within a 3 hour drive to San Antonio, I would wager $1 that Army had more fans in attendance than UT San Antonio did.

Ah yes, a rivalry game where USAFA handed Army a free six possessions is exactly the same level of effort and intensity as playing a community college in San Antonio.

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Army is #98 in the ESPN efficiency metric so that's not a team considered in the top 50 discussion. 

Army beat UTSA in week 2 or 3, after UTSA lost their QB. Army’s style of offensive couldn’t get off the field that night. They (Army) went the rest of their season, prior to seeing their 3rd victory, until playing an undefeated Air Force squad, in Broncos Stadium (Denver) two weeks ago. I digress.

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9 minutes ago, TommyGufano said:

Obviously his performance at Utah was impressive and he proved to be a very good hire everywhere he went, but in the interest of relevancy I have to point out that 100 year history included multiple undefeated seasons where they played fewer than 10 games.

Yeah fair enough. Looks like the most recent one was in the 40s, but point taken. Utah was kind of a middling program not in a power conference, but they certainly had a hell of a lot more football tradition than UTSA

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3 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Liucci has apparently also been saying there's been some internal pressure to just hire Robinson with a good OC and current defensive staff. Imagine them firing Jimbo in case they beat LSU and instead it happens with Robinson who ends up getting the job. 

 

What “good OC” is going to want to tie themselves at the hip to what is clearly an interim HC until someone better comes along? They ended up with the motorcycle bandit last time and that was with the $76M man still showing up to work. 

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Just stop on Traylor. They’re 7-3 with a QB that has been in school since 2017. 
 

So they’re bowl eligible with 7 year starter. Is that considered good? He’s been at UTSA long enough that it’s not about turning the program around anymore. Traylor should be winning his conference every year and pushing for a NY6 bowl if he’s the Surly Gawd many of you think he is.

He’d be a good hire at piggy. A disappointing hire at aggy. He’ll recruit East Texas well sure, but a vast majority of the state’s best players are in the suburbs. 
 

 

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I think aggy needs to rip the band aid off and hire Schumann. If they’re thirsty for Lanning and he’s a solid no, just get the next best thing at a steep discount. 
 

Their schedule is dogshit next season. If they can play solid defense and keep Weigman out of the ER they’ll comfortably win 8. Plenty of room to learn on the job. 

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5 hours ago, Vermin said:

Have high school coaches ever worked out? The graveyard is large: Gerry Faust, Chad Morris, Tony Sanchez, Todd Dodge. 

Gus Malzahn did make a title game—in year 1 with another coach’s recruits—but also was ultimately fired after 8 seasons, all the rest having 4+ losses.

Does Art Briles count as working out? 

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19 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I think aggy needs to rip the band aid off and hire Schumann.

Feels like this will be Elko, Traylor or Schumann. Those feel like realistic options unless something changes with current options. 

Lanning (Nope)

Campbell (The aggy SEC rant board is saying that boosters contacted him and he said no thanks. Think the original source was Liucci)

Deboer (Haven't heard anything on him yet but I think he might be their most realistic shot a big time hire)

Norvell (Seems really unlikely after the FSU to aggy move just failed with Jimbo)

Definitely feels like they will be settling for a tier 2 or tier 3 hire. 

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12 hours ago, Vertigo said:

I would be better for that program in the long term to have a bunch of those high ranked guys portal out. Jimbo obviously gave no shits about culture or character on his teams, and then wondered why they "couldn't find the inches".

He should have looked in Candi.

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1 hour ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Just stop on Traylor. They’re 7-3 with a QB that has been in school since 2017. 
 

So they’re bowl eligible with 7 year starter. Is that considered good? He’s been at UTSA long enough that it’s not about turning the program around anymore. Traylor should be winning his conference every year and pushing for a NY6 bowl if he’s the Surly Gawd many of you think he is.

He’d be a good hire at piggy. A disappointing hire at aggy. He’ll recruit East Texas well sure, but a vast majority of the state’s best players are in the suburbs. 
 

 

You do realize what UTSA was as a program before he arrived right?

He is 27-3 in conference play at UTSA, including 6-0 this year in their first year in the AAC. He loses when he faces teams with a talent level several notches above his (Texas, Tennessee) and has had some weird games with Army, but otherwise has been pretty consistent for 4 years straight. And again, UTSA was not even close to a respectable program before he arrived.

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You do realize what UTSA was as a program before he arrived right?

He is 27-3 in conference play at UTSA, including 6-0 this year in their first year in the AAC. He loses when he faces teams with a talent level several notches above his (Texas, Tennessee) and has had some weird games with Army, but otherwise has been pretty consistent for 4 years straight. And again, UTSA was not even close to a respectable program before he arrived.

Ok great. Now spin losing to Houston. 

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3 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Ok great. Now spin losing to Houston. 

I shouldn't have to spin a coach losing a game. That tends to happen in football. Name a coach who hasn't lost to an inferior opponent.

He has 13 losses over 4 years, 5 of which came in his first year during covid and 3 others that came at the hands of ranked teams (Texas, Tennessee, San Diego State). He is a good coach with good qualities that would likely translate very well to a school like A&M. It doesn't mean he is a slam dunk hire but once you get past the dream of Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, etc., he doesn't carry any more risk than the other options.

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9 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

It doesn't mean he is a slam dunk hire but once you get past the dream of Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, etc., he doesn't carry any more risk than the other options.

Yeah, Traylor is a tier 2 hire that should probably prove himself at a P5 program like Arkansas or Baylor. A hire that will cost aggy close to $100 million. 

If you're spending that type of money you better be hiring one of those big names like Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, Norvell, etc. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, Traylor is a tier 2 hire that should probably prove himself at a P5 program like Arkansas or Baylor. A hire that will cost aggy close to $100 million. 

If you're spending that type of money you better be hiring one of those big names like Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, Norvell, etc. 

 

 

The reality is there are very few schools who pull off the big hire that the fans always dream about when a job comes open. A lot of things have to line up.

I believe it was Gerry Hamilton who mentioned earlier this week that something like 17 or 18 of the 25 head coaches in the top 25 this week either got to their school via a G5 (Guys like Norvell, DeBoer) or were a P5 coordinator/internal promotion (Smart, Lanning, Day etc.)

You oftentimes are having to make hires based on traits and that might carry some risk but that seems to be the way things are right now. Coaches that perform well at big programs are well-compensated and schools aren’t wanting to let them go.

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10 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, Traylor is a tier 2 hire that should probably prove himself at a P5 program like Arkansas or Baylor. A hire that will cost aggy close to $100 million. 

If you're spending that type of money you better be hiring one of those big names like Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, Norvell, etc. 

 

 

Dude, we’re taking about aggy. Do you expect them to not fuck this up? 

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59 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

The reality is there are very few schools who pull off the big hire that the fans always dream about when a job comes open. A lot of things have to line up.

I believe it was Gerry Hamilton who mentioned earlier this week that something like 17 or 18 of the 25 head coaches in the top 25 this week either got to their school via a G5 (Guys like Norvell, DeBoer) or were a P5 coordinator/internal promotion (Smart, Lanning, Day etc.)

You oftentimes are having to make hires based on traits and that might carry some risk but that seems to be the way things are right now. Coaches that perform well at big programs are well-compensated and schools aren’t wanting to let them go.

I think there are better tier 2 candidates than Elko and Traylor. 

UCLA is going to make a better hire than both those guys when they hire Jonathan Smith. 

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1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I think there are better tier 2 candidates than Elko and Traylor. 

UCLA is going to make a better hire than both those guys when they hire Jonathan Smith. 

Jonathan Smith? 
Jonathan Smith!!

Do you really think that A&M could get Jonathan Smith?

Do you know where UCLA plays their home games?

 

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4 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

Hopefully this isn't in relation to the aggy job. I don't think it's a splash hire that they're looking for but Patterson in the SEC with aggy money would be an interesting combo.

It isn't going to happen but Patterson taking the Baylor job (they are almost certainly firing Aranda) would be such a hilarious Fuck You to TCU. 

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2 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

Hopefully this isn't in relation to the aggy job. I don't think it's a splash hire that they're looking for but Patterson in the SEC with aggy money would be an interesting combo.

Patterson is an absolute hardass and raging dickhead, 50% of that roster would transfer out by the end of spring. If there is one coach who is not ready for the new era of CFB and already struggled dealing with elite talent before NIL and the transfer portal, it’s Gary Patterson.

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7 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

The reality is there are very few schools who pull off the big hire that the fans always dream about when a job comes open. A lot of things have to line up.

I believe it was Gerry Hamilton who mentioned earlier this week that something like 17 or 18 of the 25 head coaches in the top 25 this week either got to their school via a G5 (Guys like Norvell, DeBoer) or were a P5 coordinator/internal promotion (Smart, Lanning, Day etc.)

You oftentimes are having to make hires based on traits and that might carry some risk but that seems to be the way things are right now. Coaches that perform well at big programs are well-compensated and schools aren’t wanting to let them go.

There’s not a massive, big-name hire out there.  It is striking how rare it happens, moves like Brian Kelly to LSU or Fisher to A&M or Riley to USC just don’t happen that often. There was a flurry of them it seemed, which made it seem like the new normal.  
 

Of the four active HCs with a national championship, two were promoted from coordinator jobs and a third is Mack Brown.   


 

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7 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, Traylor is a tier 2 hire that should probably prove himself at a P5 program like Arkansas or Baylor. A hire that will cost aggy close to $100 million. 

If you're spending that type of money you better be hiring one of those big names like Lanning, DeBoer, Kiffin, Norvell, etc. 

 

 

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Unfortunately DeBoer can't be hired because he had 6 losses at Fresno State. Can't trust a coach who lost to 5-4 Hawaii, 2-5 New Mexico, 6-7 Hawaii('21), 

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He also had a 6th year QB who got drafted. 

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Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Spoke to my BIL on Tyanthony Smith.  He has zero info about the recruitment.  But he loves Smith.  Says he is a great athlete with outstanding character.

Tell him his efforts are duly noted and his information was pristine!

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59 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Spoke to my BIL on Tyanthony Smith.  He has zero info about the recruitment.  But he loves Smith.  Says he is a great athlete with outstanding character.

And yet he is committed to aggy. I think you misspelled questionable. 

He can easily improve his character though.

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