Aggy 2024: Still waiting on the Looch 44

[Vermin 3043]

2 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Fisch has been coaching for 26 years and never been any place longer than 3 years.  Is that considered itinerant?

How else do you expect to go from a coordinator at P. K. Yonge Developmental Research School to a destination college football head coaching job?

[Hookem2147 21194]

Didn’t Bjork say they wanted a CEO type head coach vs an X’s and O’s guy who was worried about calling plays or being super involved on his side of the ball?

Fisch doesn’t really fit the CEO coach criteria.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Hookem2147

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

The SEC Rant board is saying they think it might be Jonathan Smith or Rhule based on some Liucci comments and saying "out West". 

Doesn't sound like anybody knows. Just guessing. 

 

[ClubWhatever 12120]

1 minute ago, Rickylovesweed said:

The SEC Rant board is saying they think it might be Jonathan Smith or Rhule based on some Liucci comments and saying "out West". 

Doesn't sound like anybody knows. Just guessing. 

 

Smith would make sense if he wants to stay in a P5 conference and get a big raise.  Not sure OSU can match an offer given their uncertain financial future.  But he's never coached east of the Rockies.  

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

Smith and Fisch are probably both going to be in the mix at UCLA too. 

[RabidM 2666]

Maybe the aggies want Chip Kelly.  He used to be a big name. 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

So Nebraska is “out west” huh. 
 

Lincoln might be east of Stillwater. Might as well add gundy. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

[Babytime 96]

6 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

Murray Abraham as Antonio Salieri in Amadeus. What a great reference and an underrated film.

Underrated?

The movie won eight Academy Awards, among them that for best picture,

 

edit:Roma was first 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Babytime

[Frank Drebin 5655]

I have a story about Fisch.  And yes he’s a world class asshole.  
 

When he was a very lowly coach with the Texans, like 20 years ago, I had mutual friends with him.  We are the same age.  We were out a bar in a group. He was like an assistant quality control coach on Capers staff.  
 

The Texans had no safety who approached decent.  My buddies and I started asking him why not move Marcus Coleman to safety.  He had size and was older corner who never had the best speed anyway.  He made us all feel like we were the biggest idiots in the world.  Like we knew nothing about football and were idiots.  Marcus Coleman was a corner and could not play safety.  
 

The Texans pretty promptly moved him to safety the next season where he played the rest of his career.  

[HenryJames 66037]

7 hours ago, Vermin said:

Harbaugh, Saban, and Fisch are really hard to work for, but they win.

[closetojumping 62552]

12 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Um...

Maybe under-remembered. 

 

Oh, I don’t know, it may be appropriately remembered. I dare anyone to make the argument that they could sit through a second viewing. 

The Oscars have had some really bad phases, kind of like Texas football. The ‘80’s weren’t kind to either. 

[ClubWhatever 12120]

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I dare anyone to make the argument that they could sit through a second viewing. 

Somebody out there got head during that movie. 

[texifornia 56862]

8 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Fisch would not be great. 

Traylor: could be a real issue, would change the culture

Dabo: would be a recruiting witch, national media would love it

Fisch: would not be great for us

...is there an aggy coaching name you haven't reflexively been scared of?

[Zhorn96 1773]

8 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Fisch feels like a major roll of the dice based on 1 season. 

1-11, 5-7, and 8-3 in 3 years at Arizona. 

Eh, the shitshow he took over from Sumlin was Colorado/Deion next level rebuild bullshit.  Dude can recruit/utilize $ and is extremely innovative offensively.  Zona didn’t play defense til this year though

[Fud 9551]

13 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Um...

Maybe under-remembered. 

 

I accidentally made the wife watch the director's cut of this movie. Suffice to say, it was edited for a reason. 

[Not a Sock 2311]

18 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Somebody out there got head during that movie. 

I got head during Russell Crow’s terrible Noah movie and feel that, that is a comparable level of awkwardness to Amadeus.

[HenryJames 66037]

Just watch the 30 Rock episode.

[Napoleon 8660]

2 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

I got head during Russell Crow’s terrible Noah movie and feel that, that is a comparable level of awkwardness to Amadeus.

I got head during “The Darjeeling Limited”, which I had never seen. Wasn’t even watching it, but when I heard Owen start talking it was really awkward since I’ve known him since elementary school.

The Argentine novia wasn’t  paying attention, but it kind of was killing the mood. (I may have muted the TV. Or maybe I changed the channel.)

[RomaVicta 29902]

9 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Fisch would not be great. 

Can we stop this? I assume you mean great for us.

This guy looks about right for what they should be looking for. I'm enjoying watching all this unfold, and I have no dread or much care about who they end up with. 

I would like for them to end up with another disaster, but I have no dread about whoever fills the position. If he makes A&M stronger, good. The games will be better. I'll only be deprived of a measure of Aggie misery. If he sucks, another few years of a great show.

We're not a house of cards or a place that should have any special apprehension about playing the Aggies.

Perhaps my own lack of concern is due to how often they prove that they can't rise above mediocrity. Now cheating doesn't give them any great advantage. Bring 'em on.

 

ETA: I see Texafornia anticipated me on this one.

Edited November 20, 2023 by RomaVicta

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

16 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Traylor: could be a real issue, would change the culture

Dabo: would be a recruiting witch, national media would love it

Fisch: would not be great for us

...is there an aggy coaching name you haven't reflexively been scared of?

He does sound like a pussy. 

 

The one thing we will have moving forward that people fail to realize is there will be h2h....so long as we beat them year in and year out they won't have some of the recruiting pitches they were able to use anymore. Especially "SEC"

[ClubWhatever 12120]

There's another guy out west.  A guy whose family might have already had enough of the big city and being too far from relatives.  Guy doesn't want to sit in traffic 90 minutes a day and cross three time zones for games.  A 20% pay cut would be effectively be a raise at the new place.  Local media honks already saying he's on the hot seat and he's starting over with a new QB anyway.  Might just say fuck it.  

[Zhorn96 1773]

4 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

There's another guy out west.  A guy whose family might have already had enough of the big city and being too far from relatives.  Guy doesn't want to sit in traffic 90 minutes a day and cross three time zones for games.  A 20% pay cut would be effectively be a raise at the new place.  Local media honks already saying he's on the hot seat and he's starting over with a new QB anyway.  Might just say fuck it.  

Troy Taylor?!?

[SydneyCarton 48054]

25 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Traylor: could be a real issue, would change the culture

Dabo: would be a recruiting witch, national media would love it

Fisch: would not be great for us

...is there an aggy coaching name you haven't reflexively been scared of?

Probably any coach with ties to Westlake. 

[NoName 16351]

8 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

The SEC Rant board is saying they think it might be Jonathan Smith or Rhule based on some Liucci comments and saying "out West". 

Doesn't sound like anybody knows. Just guessing. 

 

i like Rhule but his shine is off. if they hire Jonathan Smith (who would be a fantastic hire btw) they are going to be met with crickets from their fanbase. even Traylor moves the needle for those rubes more than a guy whose gone 7-6, 10-3 and now 8-2 so far at a bad school historically.

i think part of the issue with Smith is that he is has coached exclusively in the PNW and the bigger thing is that he played at Oregon State and started like 40 games at QB there.

[RomaVicta 29902]

8 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

Smith would make sense if he wants to stay in a P5 conference and get a big raise.  Not sure OSU can match an offer given their uncertain financial future.  But he's never coached east of the Rockies.  

Interesting point about staying in a P5 conference. 

On the one hand, with a 12 team playoff there will be room for winners of non P5 conferences. OTH, could such a team recruit well enough to have a chance of getting very far?

If Oregon State made the playoff a few years in a row, would that draw players?

I have no idea what the answers are, but it's interesting to ruminate over. It would be ironic if congregating all the strong football schools in five conferences actually make it easier for some of the non P5 schools to build up and compete.

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

47 minutes ago, Zhorn96 said:

Eh, the shitshow he took over from Sumlin was Colorado/Deion next level rebuild bullshit.  Dude can recruit/utilize $ and is extremely innovative offensively.  Zona didn’t play defense til this year though

Sure and he's still 14-21 at Arizona. I'm not exactly shaking in my boots if its Fisch. 

[RomaVicta 29902]

35 minutes ago, Fud said:

I accidentally made the wife watch the director's cut of this movie. Suffice to say, it was edited for a reason. 

I don't want to turn this into a movie thread, but...

I think most director's cuts are bloated and narcissistic. Apocalypse Redux is a prime example. There is a cult of the director among movie mavens. If only the artist could be unbridled. Bridles are often good. Everybody hates it, but movies must be collaborative efforts.

Kind of like a football program where all must come together to recruit, train, practice, and play! It applies. It really does. Really.

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

30 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

There's another guy out west.  A guy whose family might have already had enough of the big city and being too far from relatives.  Guy doesn't want to sit in traffic 90 minutes a day and cross three time zones for games.  A 20% pay cut would be effectively be a raise at the new place.  Local media honks already saying he's on the hot seat and he's starting over with a new QB anyway.  Might just say fuck it.  

Bobby said on the livestream last night that Lincoln had already thrown himself in as a candidate for the aggy job.  Rod Babers suggested that if Lincoln wanted to leave USC he should go collect millions from the NFL first, and then return to take whatever college job he wanted when/if he failed in the league.

[NoName 16351]

29 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Bobby said on the livestream last night that Lincoln had already thrown himself in as a candidate for the aggy job.  Rod Babers suggested that if Lincoln wanted to leave USC he should go collect millions from the NFL first, and then return to take whatever college job he wanted when/if he failed in the league.

ahh, the Steve Spurrier/Matt Ruhle plan

[BigHornedLurker 1935]

El oh el at going from OU to USC to fucking A&M 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

6 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

El oh el at going from OU to USC to fucking A&M 

 

He's a giant pussy....

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

Riley at aggy would be a disaster of all disasters. 

Can you imagine him cutting off the media like he has at USC? Liucci and Texags would meltdown. 

[Michael Knight 12976]

56 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I don't want to turn this into a movie thread, but...

I think most director's cuts are bloated and narcissistic. Apocalypse Redux is a prime example. There is a cult of the director among movie mavens. If only the artist could be unbridled. Bridles are often good. Everybody hates it, but movies must be collaborative efforts.

Kind of like a football program where all must come together to recruit, train, practice, and play! It applies. It really does. Really.

Most directors cuts were just scams to sell more DVDs or weird disinformation campaigns for Zach Snyder

[SydneyCarton 48054]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

i like Rhule but his shine is off. if they hire Jonathan Smith (who would be a fantastic hire btw) they are going to be met with crickets from their fanbase. even Traylor moves the needle for those rubes more than a guy whose gone 7-6, 10-3 and now 8-2 so far at a bad school historically.

i think part of the issue with Smith is that he is has coached exclusively in the PNW and the bigger thing is that he played at Oregon State and started like 40 games at QB there.

Why is the shine off Rhule for you? Becuase he sucked in the NFL? Guy won more games than Scott Frost. I'm not sure I'm looking down on the guy yet as a has been coach. 

I look down on him becuase of his face, his allegeded paint stripping halitosis, and his also alleged naked drunk dialing of other coaches and reporters becuase he gets lonely. 

[IDIOTsavant 8483]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Why is the shine off Rhule for you? Becuase he sucked in the NFL? Guy won more games than Scott Frost. I'm not sure I'm looking down on the guy yet as a has been coach. 

I look down on him becuase of his face, his allegeded paint stripping halitosis, and his also alleged naked drunk dialing of other coaches and reporters becuase he gets lonely. 

 

[billfromlaketravis 11447]

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

Traylor: could be a real issue, would change the culture

Dabo: would be a recruiting witch, national media would love it

Fisch: would not be great for us

...is there an aggy coaching name you haven't reflexively been scared of?

I’m not scared of anybody. None of my posts imply fear. Challenges maybe, fear no. 

I’m leading the parade if they hire Traylor. Again, he sucks. 
 

Fisch of those 3 is the strongest coach. Pretty impressive NFL resume. 

[Vertigo 20276]

2 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I’m not scared of anybody. None of my posts imply fear. Challenges maybe, fear no. 

I’m leading the parade if they hire Traylor. Again, he sucks. 
 

Fisch of those 3 is the strongest coach. Pretty impressive NFL resume. 

Good coach and verifiable asshole seems like a good long term solution for us. It will just be a matter of time until recruits figure it out like they did with Herman. 

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

12 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I’m not scared of anybody. None of my posts imply fear. Challenges maybe, fear no. 

I’m leading the parade if they hire Traylor. Again, he sucks. 
 

Fisch of those 3 is the strongest coach. Pretty impressive NFL resume. 

I think Dabo would fail but there's no shot I think a coach that's 14-21 at Arizona is the "strongest coach" out of those 3. 

It's still 14-21. 

[Vermin 3043]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I think Dabo would fail but there's no shot I think a coach that's 14-21 at Arizona is the "strongest coach" out of those 3. 

It's still 14-21. 

Did you forget what Sumlin did to that program?

[SydneyCarton 48054]

11 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Good coach and verifiable asshole seems like a good long term solution for us. It will just be a matter of time until recruits figure it out like they did with Herman. 

herman was only one of those things. 

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

2 minutes ago, Vermin said:

Did you forget what Sumlin did to that program?

Sure and Rich Rodriguez averaged over 7 wins a year at Arizona before Sumlin. With 5/6 winning seasons. 

It's not like you can't win at Arizona. You can spin all you want but 14-21 is still 14-21. 

 

[crash_davis 23100]

It doesn't matter who aggy gets for the coach. They won't win. It's cultural.

Mostly, the only players willing to go there are the ones looking for a large payout or the ones looking to do whatever the fuck they want (like smoking weed before practice), or both. Why else would any self respecting, highly rated recruit go there? Any coach looking to instill any kind of discipline is going to scare off the 2nd bunch and probably the 1st bunch too. So they'll revert back to their 80+ year history of teams full of JAGs.

There's a reason since the beginning of time why they suck in every sport which relies heavily on African American athletes to win.

It's a hick town full of hicks who hate minorities, except on Saturdays during college football season.

 

[texifornia 56862]

4 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

It doesn't matter who aggy gets for the coach. They won't win. It's cultural.

Mostly, the only players willing to go there are the ones looking for a large payout or the ones looking to do whatever the fuck they want (like smoking weed before practice), or both. Why else would any self respecting, highly rated recruit go there? Any coach looking to instill any kind of discipline is going to scare off the 2nd bunch and probably the 1st bunch too. So they'll revert back to their 80+ year history of teams full of JAGs.

There's a reason since the beginning of time why they suck in every sport which relies heavily on African American athletes to win.

It's a hick town full of hicks who hate minorities, except on Saturdays during college football season.

 

Didn't they recently win a track national title?

[Teryor 4450]

I'd love for it to be Fisch. One season of success at the college level that came off a fluke where his rapist QB got hurt and he was forced to put in his better backup and no history of recruiting the state. Dude didn't even know OT timeout rules this year. Seemingly a worse version of Sonny Dykes.

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Didn't they recently win a track national title?

In 2017. I think that may have been their last national title across the athletic department. 

[crash_davis 23100]

8 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Didn't they recently win a track national title?

 

5 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

In 2017. I think that may have been their last national title across the athletic department. 

There were pretty good in women's bball once too. Yea, once in a blue moon, they'll win somethig. But historically, they are a mediocre athletic department with a bright flashes every now. Blind squirrel, nut something something.

Edited November 20, 2023 by crash_davis

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

They aren’t going to do another crazy contract, so the person they sign will be good with a much more modest contract than what Jimbo got. That means it will be some smaller name rather than deborr/Dani/ etc. I think traylor just bc he would be relatively cheap and the university can write him a contract that they can walk away from if they want.

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

7 minutes ago, Teryor said:

I'd love for it to be Fisch. One season of success at the college level that came off a fluke where his rapist QB got hurt and he was forced to put in his better backup and no history of recruiting the state. Dude didn't even know OT timeout rules this year. Seemingly a worse version of Sonny Dykes.

Yeah, I don't get the Fisch love. 

He's 14-22 at Arizona and his defensive ranks per ESPN efficiency are #102, #123, and #53. Maybe the defensive issues would improve with more talent and a better DC. 

I think the Dykes comparison is pretty good. 

[NoName 16351]

57 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Why is the shine off Rhule for you? Becuase he sucked in the NFL? Guy won more games than Scott Frost. I'm not sure I'm looking down on the guy yet as a has been coach. 

I look down on him becuase of his face, his allegeded paint stripping halitosis, and his also alleged naked drunk dialing of other coaches and reporters becuase he gets lonely. 

it wasn't just that he was bad at the NFL level it was how bad he was and how shitty everything i've ever read about him was at the NFL level.

when you have graphics / marketing staff shitting on you for how you handle things you are doing it wrong. everything about him that was a supposed strength went out the window. he made bad hires, bad personnel decisions, little to no player development, and didn't set the team up at all to be successful after he left - see Sunday's game vs the Cowboys as a prime example.

he then went to Nebraska and proceeded to hire almost exclusively from his Temple/Baylor bubble

Raiola was a carryover from the prior staff (only one)

Josh Martin is i guess supposed to be some kind or recruiter? he spent 2 years at Tarleton, then Arizona State as an analyst, then SMU for 4 years, then wasn't kept with Rhett Lashlee so he was the OC/QB Coach at Little Elm for a year. he was hired as an analyst then promoted in July when Bob Wager (long term HC at Arlington Martin) got a DUI and resigned.

Tony White was at Syracuse for 3 years and was mediocre to say the least (best finish was #50 in DFEI then like high 60s and #70 his other year.)

their offense has been truly dreadful (between 115 and 120 per advanced stats)

i don't think he's shit but he also took a huge contract last year and isn't going to dump his people after 1 season there.

plus his record overall, going back to temple, vs anything close to good teams is bad.

hell this year they are 3-2 against teams outside the FEI top 60 and 2-3 against teams inside the top 60.

he may be fine and he will get some time at NEB but i don't think as much of him as i did when he left Baylor because of how he failed with the Panthers and the shitty results so far at Nebraska

[closetojumping 62552]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, I don't get the Fisch love. 

He's 14-22 at Arizona and his defensive ranks per ESPN efficiency are #102, #123, and #53. Maybe the defensive issues would improve with more talent and a better DC. 

I think the Dykes comparison is pretty good. 

I like Fisch as a coach at a place like Arizona. I think he's going to consistently get a program like that to 8-5/9-4 records and they'll love him for it. Sumlin gutted that program. Watching Arizona games towards the end of his time there was brutal. Fisch's work there has been excellent. 

The bigger problem here is that ATM cannot handle being an 8-5/9-4 program, even though that is high performance for them, historically. No, instead, they don't just want a national title contending coach - they want a coach doing that year in and year out, and they want all of that right now. Texas A&M is the Veruca Salt of college football. They lack any self-awareness and they are entitled, rich, impatient, myopic, and dumber than a sack of rocks. They've never won a fucking thing, they are as average as unbuttered grits, and they're trapped in a triangle of college blue bloods (Texas, OU) and recent multi-decadal powers (LSU). It's wonderful to witness their complete obliviousness to their predicament and willingness to pull the bookshelf on themselves repeatedly as a result.