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Ricky's one-hitter · October 19, 2023

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College football coaches hot seat temperature check: Should Jimbo Fisher be worried?

Bruce Feldman

Oct 17, 2023

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It’s mid-October and usually the coaching carousel is spinning a little faster, though two Power 5 head coaching jobs came open early. Both firings were for cause, as well: Northwestern fired Pat Fitzgerald in July and Michigan State fired Mel Tucker in late September. There will certainly be other programs ready to split with their head coaches this year, although I don’t expect a lot of changes this year. (Then again, I’ve thought that in recent years and the sport stills wraps up with more than two dozen changes.)

SEC

Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

This is by far the biggest one to watch. The buyout is insanely high, around $76 million. But the man who once led FSU to a national title has really, really underperformed at Texas A&M, and there’s no getting around that.

They are paying him gobs of money with the expectation that this program will compete for national titles and he just lost his eighth consecutive road game. The Aggies have lost two in a row and have dropped nine of their last 12 games against Power 5 opponents. They didn’t even make a bowl game last season despite a roster loaded with five-star talent and what was regarded by the online recruiting services as the highest-ranked recruiting class of all time. He’s had one good season in College Station: 9-1 in the pandemic season of 2020. Since then, the Aggies have not finished a season ranked in the AP poll.

His hire this offseason of Bobby Petrino has been underwhelming. The Aggies are No. 10 in the SEC in offense and dead last in red zone touchdown percentage. As one source told me earlier this season: “It’s Year 6. What is Fisher going to do now that’ll convince anyone at this point that he can lead them to a national title? What’s another 8-4 gonna prove?”

Texas A&M, I’m told, will find the money to get rid of him if he can’t get this thing going — and yes, it absolutely does matter to important folks down there that Texas has a chance to be a College Football Playoff team this year … and Steve Sarkisian has been on the job for half as long as Jimbo.

Temperature check: Hot and getting hotter

I think it was also posted up thread somewhere, or in one of the other aggy threads.

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Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

This is by far the biggest one to watch. The buyout is insanely high, around $76 million. But the man who once led FSU to a national title has really, really underperformed at Texas A&M, and there’s no getting around that.

They are paying him gobs of money with the expectation that this program will compete for national titles and he just lost his eighth consecutive road game. The Aggies have lost two in a row and have dropped nine of their last 12 games against Power 5 opponents. They didn’t even make a bowl game last season despite a roster loaded with five-star talent and what was regarded by the online recruiting services as the highest-ranked recruiting class of all time. He’s had one good season in College Station: 9-1 in the pandemic season of 2020. Since then, the Aggies have not finished a season ranked in the AP poll.

His hire this offseason of Bobby Petrino has been underwhelming. The Aggies are No. 10 in the SEC in offense and dead last in red zone touchdown percentage. As one source told me earlier this season: “It’s Year 6. What is Fisher going to do now that’ll convince anyone at this point that he can lead them to a national title? What’s another 8-4 gonna prove?”

Texas A&M, I’m told, will find the money to get rid of him if he can’t get this thing going — and yes, it absolutely does matter to important folks down there that Texas has a chance to be a College Football Playoff team this year … and Steve Sarkisian has been on the job for half as long as Jimbo.

Temperature check: Hot and getting hotter

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It’s mid-October and usually the coaching carousel is spinning a little faster, though two Power 5 head coaching jobs came open early. Both firings were for cause, as well: Northwestern fired Pat Fitzgerald in July and Michigan State fired Mel Tucker in late September. There will certainly be other programs ready to split with their head coaches this year, although I don’t expect a lot of changes this year. (Then again, I’ve thought that in recent years and the sport stills wraps up with more than two dozen changes.)

Here’s our latest assessment after talking to numerous industry sources about the FBS coaching landscape.

AAC
Ryan Silverfield, Memphis

The former Tigers offensive line coach was promoted from within and has a very respectable 25-18 record. However, expectations for Tiger football are much higher than they were before Justin Fuente elevated this program more than a decade ago. Silverfield had some tough losses a year ago and finished 7-6 overall, but 3-5 in the AAC. His 12-14 record in conference hurts, but Memphis is 4-2 with a win against Boise State and Navy and a close loss to Missouri. The rest of the schedule is very favorable. Only one of their last six opponents has a winning record, 4-2 SMU and that one is at home. Nine wins is very realistic. Anything less than 8-4 will be disappointing.

Temperature check: Pretty warm, but he should be able to cool it down

Mike Bloomgren, Rice

Bloomgren is another O-line guy in his first head coaching job. Unlike Silverfield, though, Bloomgren took over a program that was in worse shape, having only won nine games in the previous three seasons. The 46-year-old former Stanford assistant struggled to get much traction early, going 7-23 in his first three years. There’s been some gradual improvement the past two years, going 5-8 and making a bowl game in 2022. The Owls are off to their best start in a long while at 3-3 with a win over Houston, but a loss last week to a then-winless UConn team stings. Their schedule the rest of the way is much tougher than Memphis’. They have 5-1 Tulane later this month and the rest of their opponents, aside from Charlotte. are .500 or better. Six wins would be a big accomplishment.

Temperature check: Warm

ACC
Jeff Hafley, Boston College

I thought this was a terrific fit when he got the job, but after a decent 6-5 start in 2020, it’s been very rocky — especially last year’s injury-ravaged 3-9 season. BC is not a hyper competitive place. The Eagles gave Steve Addazio plenty of time in the job, despite the program backsliding and painted by some internal issues. This season started out ugly with a loss to NIU, but the Eagles almost upset a top-5 FSU team, losing 31-29. Close wins over Army and Virginia probably didn’t do much to boost the fan base’s confidence, but sitting at 3-3, the Eagles do have a good chance to get bowl eligible, and that is a step in the right direction for a coach many believe in. They have very winnable games ahead; UConn, Virginia Tech and at Pitt remain, and those teams have a combined record of 6-13.

Temperature check: Warm

Dino Babers, Syracuse

This is Year 8 for Babers. There have been some pretty high highs (a 10-3 season in 2018, some big upset wins and viral postgame speeches) and some very low lows (1-10 in 2020). He’s only 18-42 in ACC play and I heard that coming into this season, the pressure on Babers was mounting. There’s been frustration that his staff hasn’t been much of a presence around the old Cuse recruiting base that fueled a lot of top-20 teams in the Dick MacPherson/Paul Pasqualoni days. This year, Syracuse started 4-0, but that came against struggling teams. Since ACC play started, they’ve dropped three in a row and each in blowout fashion. The Orange have lost their last two by a combined 81-10 score. The good news: There are no other opponents with winning records in the final five games. Seven wins is very realistic. Anything less than 6-6 would feel like a horrible finish given this slate of opponents.

Temperature check: Kind of hot

Big 12
Dave Aranda, Baylor

One of the most celebrated defensive minds in football has had a roller coaster first four seasons as a head coach. He debuted 2-7 in the pandemic season of 2020, where he ended up gutting his offensive staff. The following season, Baylor was fantastic, going 12-2 (most wins in school history) and finished No. 5 (highest ranking in school history) but that was followed up with a 6-7 year and left many Baylor fans feeling like that great season was largely fueled by the talent Matt Rhule had left behind.

This year’s start has done little to convince them things are headed back toward the top 10. The Bears opened with a loss to Texas State and then to Utah, both at home. They beat FCS LIU and were then blown out by Texas. They did have a frantic rally to beat UCF but got hammered at home by Texas Tech later. They have no other ranked opponents remaining.

Big 12 sources have noted a big drop off in the Bears’ talent level. It’s reflective of the 2020 transition class from Rhule to Aranda that has proven to be sorely lacking, so now, Aranda is having to play a ton of young players. As shaky as the last year-and-a-half has been, word is that Baylor brass has a lot of faith in Aranda. His deal was extended two years ago when the Washington, Oregon and USC jobs were open. They know the man can coach because they saw him lead the program to its best-ever season. The hunch here: If things don’t perk up in the second half of the season, Aranda might have to make more staff changes, but the belief in him is still strong.

Temperature check: Lukewarm

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Dana Holgorsen, Houston

Let’s start with this: Houston brass has said and done some pretty volatile, and downright outlandish, stuff in regard to their expectations of this program just in the past decade. They have had a really short fuse. Holgorsen feels like a really good fit there as Houston moved up to the Big 12. Two years ago, he went 12-2; he’s had four career top-20 finishes, with three coming at his previous stop, West Virginia. Last year, he went 8-5, which felt underwhelming given what Houston did the previous season. But as Holgorsen himself told our Sam Khan: “I have five years on my contract with a f—ing impossible buyout. … So there ain’t no f—ing hot seat in my mind. There just ain’t.” (Holgorsen’s buyout is around $15 million.)

This season got off to a brutal start. The Cougars lost to cross-town rival Rice for the first time in a dozen years and then got blown out by TCU and Texas Tech. They just pulled off a miraculous win on the final play against what was a 4-1 West Virginia team, a win the Cougars badly needed to get their first-ever Big 12 victory. Texas comes to town next. An upset would do wonders for this program, but that feels like a long shot. After that, though, things look pretty tasty. The Cougars have Baylor, UCF and Cincinnati, who are a combined 1-8 in the Big 12 this year. Oklahoma State, which started out poorly, has gotten hotter, but that game’s in Houston and is gettable. A bowl game is very realistic.

Temperature check: Sort of hot …. but because it’s Houston, it’s always a few bad losses from getting sticky

Neal Brown, West Virginia

He did a terrific job at Troy, but he had back-to-back losing seasons coming into this year. His team was picked to finish last in the Big 12, behind all four of the new conference additions. Even though I’ve heard that his new athletic director, Wren Baker, is a big believer in Brown, another losing season would be rough in the eyes of a very spirited, football-loving fan base. Brown’s team has responded well, going 4-1 to start after a loss at a powerhouse Penn State team in the opener. Wins over rival Pitt and then against Texas Tech and at TCU look very good. The last-second loss at Houston was a heartbreaker, but I feel like Brown’s got this program in right direction. His buyout at $13 million isn’t insignificant for WVU. Aside from a trip to Norman, the Mountaineers also have a good shot in their other five remaining games. I think 7-5 sounds about right, but 8-4 isn’t out of the question.

Temperature check: Much cooler than it was a month ago

Big Ten
Tom Allen, Indiana

Indiana has had one top-15 finish in the last half-century, and that was on Allen’s watch during the 6-2 run in the 2020 pandemic season. The Hoosiers got to No. 11. Since then, it’s been brutal: 8-22 overall and just 2-19 in Big Ten play.

Allen’s a respected man among his peers and is a good defensive coach. Since offensive coordinator Kalen DeBoer left Indiana after the 8-5 season in 2019, Allen’s cycled through three OCs, including this year’s move off of Walt Bell to Rod Carey. Unlike a lot of coaches on this list, Allen works at a place where football isn’t the main thing; hoops is, and he’s still got a big buyout, especially for Indiana. The buyout (around $20 million) still might be too big of a hurdle for the Hoosiers, but at 2-4, they’ll probably be an underdog the rest of the way, with the possible exceptions of a home game against Michigan State and at Purdue. If they go 2-10 again, things probably will get really dicey, although 3-9 might be a tough sell too.

Temperature check: Pretty warm and getting warmer

MAC
Scot Loeffler, Bowling Green

This is his fifth year and the former Michigan quarterback is still looking for his first winning season. Last year, his team went 6-7 and lost in the Quick Lane Bowl, which was a saving season for a coach that had opened 4-17 in MAC play. At 3-4, the Falcons already have had a few blowout conference losses this season, falling 38-7 at home to Ohio and 27-0 at Miami-Ohio. But Loeffler does have a nice win at Gerogia Tech and just beat Buffalo on the road. Better still, he has three games left against the worst teams in the league: Kent State, Akron and Ball State, who are a combined 3-18.

Temperature check: Hot, but will probably cool down

Mike Neu, Ball State

The former star quarterback for the Cardinals has been here almost a decade. He’s had a Top 25 season (in 2020) and led BSU to two bowl games. His 34-54 record doesn’t look good, nor does a 1-6 start this season. Aside from a home game against 1-6 Kent State, the Cardinals will be underdogs the rest of the way. This all feels like an uphill climb. The transfer portal has not been kind to the Cardinals. Their star running back, Carson Steele (1,556 rushing yards in 2022) is now the No. 3 leading rusher in the Pac-12 for UCLA. Their former starting quarterback John Paddock is now at Illinois. Adding to this dynamic? Neu now has a new AD who might be interesting in making his own hire.

Temperature check: Getting a little warm

Mountain West
Danny Gonzales, New Mexico

The former Lobos player hasn’t been able to get much going in his first three years, going 8-24 and 3-20 in conference play. His team is 2-4 this season; its lone FBS win is against a dreadful UMass team. On the bright side, the Lobos’ next two games are against Hawaii and at Nevada, the other two worst teams in the conference. Losing both would be pretty ominous.

Temperature check: Hot

Ken Wilson, Nevada

He was a respected assistant for a long time, spending 20 years at this program as a trusted colleague of Chris Ault before getting this job. It’s been a dismal start. He’s now 2-16 and still looking for his first MWC win. The positives: Nevada did give Kansas all it could handle before losing 31-24. It also did lead what’s proven to be a good Texas State team on the road, 17-0 at halftime, before going down 35-24. With home games against New Mexico and Hawaii remaining, that first league win is very possible. If Nevada loses out, a winless season might be too much for it to stomach. One other key note here: Wilson’s boss, AD Stephanie Rempe, wasn’t the person who hired him, and the Scott Woodward protege, who came from LSU, might be looking to make her own hire.

Temperature check: Getting hotter

SEC
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

This is by far the biggest one to watch. The buyout is insanely high, around $76 million. But the man who once led FSU to a national title has really, really underperformed at Texas A&M, and there’s no getting around that.

They are paying him gobs of money with the expectation that this program will compete for national titles and he just lost his eighth consecutive road game. The Aggies have lost two in a row and have dropped nine of their last 12 games against Power 5 opponents. They didn’t even make a bowl game last season despite a roster loaded with five-star talent and what was regarded by the online recruiting services as the highest-ranked recruiting class of all time. He’s had one good season in College Station: 9-1 in the pandemic season of 2020. Since then, the Aggies have not finished a season ranked in the AP poll.

His hire this offseason of Bobby Petrino has been underwhelming. The Aggies are No. 10 in the SEC in offense and dead last in red zone touchdown percentage. As one source told me earlier this season: “It’s Year 6. What is Fisher going to do now that’ll convince anyone at this point that he can lead them to a national title? What’s another 8-4 gonna prove?”

Texas A&M, I’m told, will find the money to get rid of him if he can’t get this thing going — and yes, it absolutely does matter to important folks down there that Texas has a chance to be a College Football Playoff team this year … and Steve Sarkisian has been on the job for half as long as Jimbo.

Temperature check: Hot and getting hotter

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Sun Belt
Butch Jones, Arkansas State

The Red Wolves have had plenty of success since Hugh Freeze first got this place rolling over a decade ago. Jones, in Year 3, had a bad first two seasons, going 5-19 and 2-14 in conference play. This year has been better with a 3-3 start, but those wins did come against an FCS team, a bad Southern Miss team and UMass. Winning one or both of the next two games — against Coastal Carolina and at ULM — would help a lot; after that, the last four games will be a lot harder.

Temperature check: Getting warmer

Terry Bowden, ULM

The 67-year-old is at a place that is near the bottom of the FBS in resources and it’s playing in a league that has many excellent young coaches. The Warhawks went 8-16 in Bowden’s first two seasons and are 2-4 now. They opened the season beating Army and they did lose by one point to App State and at Texas State, so Bowden’s players are still battling for him. The last three games of the season will be brutal: vs. Troy, at Ole Miss and at Louisiana, so it’d benefit him a lot to win a couple of the next three games, all of which are winnable.

SydneyCarton · October 19, 2023

7 minutes ago, nnm said:

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College football coaches hot seat temperature check: Should Jimbo Fisher be worried?

Bruce Feldman
Oct 17, 2023

192

It’s mid-October and usually the coaching carousel is spinning a little faster, though two Power 5 head coaching jobs came open early. Both firings were for cause, as well: Northwestern fired Pat Fitzgerald in July and Michigan State fired Mel Tucker in late September. There will certainly be other programs ready to split with their head coaches this year, although I don’t expect a lot of changes this year. (Then again, I’ve thought that in recent years and the sport stills wraps up with more than two dozen changes.)

SEC

Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

This is by far the biggest one to watch. The buyout is insanely high, around $76 million. But the man who once led FSU to a national title has really, really underperformed at Texas A&M, and there’s no getting around that.

They are paying him gobs of money with the expectation that this program will compete for national titles and he just lost his eighth consecutive road game. The Aggies have lost two in a row and have dropped nine of their last 12 games against Power 5 opponents. They didn’t even make a bowl game last season despite a roster loaded with five-star talent and what was regarded by the online recruiting services as the highest-ranked recruiting class of all time. He’s had one good season in College Station: 9-1 in the pandemic season of 2020. Since then, the Aggies have not finished a season ranked in the AP poll.

His hire this offseason of Bobby Petrino has been underwhelming. The Aggies are No. 10 in the SEC in offense and dead last in red zone touchdown percentage. As one source told me earlier this season: “It’s Year 6. What is Fisher going to do now that’ll convince anyone at this point that he can lead them to a national title? What’s another 8-4 gonna prove?”

Texas A&M, I’m told, will find the money to get rid of him if he can’t get this thing going — and yes, it absolutely does matter to important folks down there that Texas has a chance to be a College Football Playoff team this year … and Steve Sarkisian has been on the job for half as long as Jimbo.

Temperature check: Hot and getting hotter

I think it was also posted up thread somewhere, or in one of the other aggy threads.

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NoName · October 19, 2023

10 hours ago, LCHorn said:

Also on Cameo and surprisingly affordable for those of you looking for a Christmas gift for that Aggie in the family that’s typically hard to shop for.

we need to get him to do a cameo and run it on the surly account. ill donate to that that right now

$50? https://www.cameo.com/jackiesherrill

i don't have the funny to write a good script but damn. lets make it happen.

Tex Pete · October 19, 2023

11 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Yes I’m good with that and he’s a cancer survivor, which at his age, takes a lot to persevere through it when you are approaching 80. He’s just like the rest of us and he’s flawed. At the end of the day I think he’s a good guy and I’d sit and listen to him talk about life or coaching. I feel like he chose poorly in deciding that College Station was where it was at for him. He could’ve stayed in LA and probably won on a grand scale, but Hollywood wasn’t for him. I just don’t have misplaced anger for someone because of who they coached.

Fuck RC Slocum.

The leadership at Texas A&M has been unethical for decades. At best, they look the other way while cheating. Mostly, they’ve been heavily involved while buying players, allowing them to do whatever they want, and helping cover their crimes. That is true through multiple administrations, multiple ADs, and multiple coaches.

I’ve known a lot of good Aggies (as people) over the years, but to a person, they’ve been ok with the cesspool that their program has been as long as they perceive it as a winner and can find anything at all to brag about. WRTS! Whoop!

Tree Fidy · October 19, 2023

11 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Yes I’m good with that and he’s a cancer survivor, which at his age, takes a lot to persevere through it when you are approaching 80. He’s just like the rest of us and he’s flawed. At the end of the day I think he’s a good guy and I’d sit and listen to him talk about life or coaching. I feel like he chose poorly in deciding that College Station was where it was at for him. He could’ve stayed in LA and probably won on a grand scale, but Hollywood wasn’t for him. I just don’t have misplaced anger for someone because of who they coached.

Look, I don't know if you are correct or not on your assessment of the guy. But, you know who else is a cancer survivor? A simple Google search of "serial killers who were diagnosed with and survived cancer" was an interesting place to start.

Fondren & Main · October 19, 2023

@UpperWestside, you know who else is fun to have a beer with? Barry Switzer.

Doesn’t make him any less of a TREMENDOUS piece of shit.

Hope that helps.

LCHorn · October 19, 2023

1 hour ago, NoName said:

we need to get him to do a cameo and run it on the surly account. ill donate to that that right now

$50? https://www.cameo.com/jackiesherrill

i don't have the funny to write a good script but damn. lets make it happen.

I actually did something like that for a friend's birthday and Sherrill took it very seriously and sincerely. I felt bad about tricking him; he seems a nice old guy, even if he's at least partly responsible for ruining large portions of my childhood.

Best served cold · October 19, 2023

Does anyone else have a fantasy of watching Texas defeat FSU in the National Championship this year just to watch the nuclear explosion from B/CS? I mean, I always want Texas to win, but how amazing would it be to see heads explode as aggies watch big brother play the team that Fisher left in shambles after a 5-5 record?

Fud · October 19, 2023

Aggy boards seem to think the Bussey decommitment is coming soon

HenryJames · October 19, 2023

Fondren & Main · October 19, 2023

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Longhornfrenzy · October 19, 2023

SydneyCarton · October 19, 2023

45 minutes ago, Best served cold said:

Does anyone else have a fantasy of watching Texas defeat FSU in the National Championship this year just to watch the nuclear explosion from B/CS? I mean, I always want Texas to win, but how amazing would it be to see heads explode as aggies watch big brother play the team that Fisher left in shambles after a 5-5 record?

I mean, I hadn't considered the Fisher's ex team angle, but just FSU alone would be "They're a terrible ACC little sister conference, we'd beat them by 20 on a neutral field."
It would be another brick in the "It was our year but we just have baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad luck" mentality. It would be delifghtful.

Hornlover · October 19, 2023

7 hours ago, NoName said:

we need to get him to do a cameo and run it on the surly account. ill donate to that that right now

$50? https://www.cameo.com/jackiesherrill

i don't have the funny to write a good script but damn. lets make it happen.

"Aggie Football. Every year is like a roller coaster. Starting in the preseason, then moving on to the Out of Conference Schedule when you start to hear the Heisman Talk. Every year there's an early setback, but things are always headed up and up on into October. Then, it's just, furk."

crash_davis · October 19, 2023

31 minutes ago, Hornlover said:

"Aggie Football. Every year is like a roller coaster. Starting in the preseason, then moving on to the Out of Conference Schedule when you start to hear the Heisman Talk. Every year there's an early setback, but things are always headed up and up on into October. Then, it's just, furk."

84 years, and counting, of the same miserable season.

Elmer_Fudd · October 20, 2023

Bussey has removed everything aggy on his twitter.

Vermin · October 20, 2023

Getting squishy after 13 days? LOL

SHOOTER12 · October 20, 2023

6 hours ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Bussey has removed everything aggy on his twitter.

6 hours ago, Vermin said:

Getting squishy after 13 days? LOL

Oh my....these young folks and their inability to stick to a decision.....who would have thought it?

Longhornfrenzy · October 20, 2023

Howell can't even pump sunshine

NoName · October 20, 2023

2 minutes ago, Longhornfrenzy said:

Howell can't even pump sunshine

"statement weekend"

it's incredible how you can have a statement weekend like 2 weeks after your last statement weekend (which you lost)

SydneyCarton · October 20, 2023

6 minutes ago, NoName said:

"statement weekend"

it's incredible how you can have a statement weekend like 2 weeks after your last statement weekend (which you lost)

If you include Bama that is 3 statement weekends sir

nnm · October 20, 2023

They’re making statements all right.

Rickylovesweed · October 20, 2023

I like how aggy keeps trying to hype up their defense. They've only played two top 40 offenses (per ESPN efficiency rankings) and they were torched in both those games against Miami and Alabama.

Not to mention these are some of the offenses they've faced per ESPN efficiency....ULM #118, New Mexico #61, Auburn #91, and Arkansas #75.

I don't think their defense is even that good.

Elmer_Fudd · October 20, 2023

26 minutes ago, NoName said:

"statement weekend"

it's incredible how you can have a statement weekend like 2 weeks after your last statement weekend (which you lost)

Against a 2 win team at that.

NoName · October 20, 2023

1 minute ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Against a 2 win team at that.

SEC! SEC! SEC!

Rickylovesweed · October 20, 2023

South Carolina will likely be 2-5 after this weekend when they play @ Missouri.

If they somehow lose to South Carolina at home and after a bye the "fire Jimbo" crowd will get very loud.

Rickylovesweed · October 20, 2023

But what would aggys record be if they had South Carolina's schedule?

North Carolina

Furman

@ Georgia

Miss State

@ Tennessee

Florida

@ Missouri

I say 2-5 or 3-4.

nnm · October 20, 2023

18 minutes ago, NoName said:

SEC! SEC! SEC!

Weak in and weak out, it just means more.

RomaVicta · October 20, 2023

"Defensive recruits have a lot to like right now."

He can't even claim any defensive recruits are noticing. The sentence serves as a mild sales pitch to any recruit who may read the piece.

Or maybe he means they know they can come in and start because the secondary is so shitty, some very good players are leaving for the NFL, and the portal will likely look like this (again):

Frank Drebin · October 20, 2023

I really have not been impressed with their defense. If Milton was average, Tennessee blows them out.

Their offense runs a lot of clock and limits possessions. They can get after you with the DL and that works against crappy QBs who cannot expose their secondary. But they will get lit up against good offenses. Watch what Ole Miss does to them.

Fud · October 20, 2023

Against most offenses, their defense is strong against the run but weak against the pass

Rickylovesweed · October 20, 2023

aggy still has to face some good offenses.

Ole Miss and LSU probably have better offenses than any offense they've faced so far. South Carolina is also a top 35ish offense by almost every advanced metric (#23 per ESPN efficiency).

Fud · October 20, 2023

Offenses that have above average passing attacks should shred them. Offenses that are running based should struggle.Bama and Tennessee have WRs schemed open down the field, but both QBs struggle with consistency

Ole Miss and LSU should be able to pass on them

South Carolina's OL is so bad that their passing attack is generally Rattler running backwards to avoid instant pressure and then throwing short passes and hoping they turn into longer YACs. Not sure if that'll work against A&M

MSU probably will struggle to score

closetojumping · October 20, 2023

30 minutes ago, Fud said:

Offenses that have above average passing attacks should shred them. Offenses that are running based should struggle.Bama and Tennessee have WRs schemed open down the field, but both QBs struggle with consistency

Ole Miss and LSU should be able to pass on them

South Carolina's OL is so bad that their passing attack is generally Rattler running backwards to avoid instant pressure and then throwing short passes and hoping they turn into longer YACs. Not sure if that'll work against A&M

MSU probably will struggle to score

One of the other things about the Tennessee offense is that the WRs drop a ton of passes. I’ve seen Keyton drop at least 3 touchdown passes this season, including one last Saturday. They’re just dysfunctional in the passing game.

If Nolan and Regis are out, and if Russell and Anderson can’t go, South Carolina’s offense is good enough to put up 28 on ATM. Is the SCar defense bad enough for ATM to put up 30+?

Fud · October 20, 2023

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

One of the other things about the Tennessee offense is that the WRs drop a ton of passes. I’ve seen Keyton drop at least 3 touchdown passes this season, including one last Saturday. They’re just dysfunctional in the passing game.

If Nolan and Regis are out, and if Russell and Anderson can’t go, South Carolina’s offense is good enough to put up 28 on ATM. Is the SCar defense bad enough for ATM to put up 30+?

I don't think Nolan and Regis would make a huge difference, the remaining DL would still wreck USCjr's OL, but yeah Cooper and Anderson would be considerable blows, especially since those positions get heavily targeted by USCjr's passing game. Cooper and Anderson being out would make a pretty strong defensive unit a pretty average SEC unit

Bevoball · October 20, 2023

Also, if you watch their games, their run defense isn't actually great once you get past the first level. If Tennessee had stopped throwing the ball they likely would of had a pretty easy win. The only thing their D-line seems to be good at is getting penetration, but if you can avoid getting hit in the backfield there's plenty of easy yardage there to be had. I was saying it when they played Auburn that if they had stopped trying to throw the ball they could have won that game.

Viper · October 20, 2023

44 minutes ago, Bevoball said:

Also, if you watch their games, their run defense isn't actually great once you get past the first level. If Tennessee had stopped throwing the ball they likely would of had a pretty easy win. The only thing their D-line seems to be good at is getting penetration, but if you can avoid getting hit in the backfield there's plenty of easy yardage there to be had. I was saying it when they played Auburn that if they had stopped trying to throw the ball they could have won that game.

Yeah I was surprised how well Tennessee was running on them in the second half.

SarkAfterDark · October 20, 2023

Yeah their run defense isn’t all that great either. Miami also had some success before they realized they didn’t have to bother trying to run the ball at all.

Vertigo · October 20, 2023

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

One of the other things about the Tennessee offense is that the WRs drop a ton of passes. I’ve seen Keyton drop at least 3 touchdown passes this season, including one last Saturday. They’re just dysfunctional in the passing game.

If Nolan and Regis are out, and if Russell and Anderson can’t go, South Carolina’s offense is good enough to put up 28 on ATM. Is the SCar defense bad enough for ATM to put up 30+?

I am honestly a little surprised that they have not let Niko have some run to see if he is as transcendent as they all hope he is going to be. Milton is a scud missile with no feel for the game.

NoName · October 20, 2023

2 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

But what would aggys record be if they had South Carolina's schedule?

North Carolina

Furman

@ Georgia

Miss State

@ Tennessee

Florida

@ Missouri

I say 2-5 or 3-4.

hey FEI does an interesting thing with SOS that helps us answer this question!

South Carolina is #6 in ELS (0.86 losses, #3 in GLS (2.56 losses) and #6 in ALS (4.2 losses)

so an elite team would be 5-1, a good team would be 3-3 and an average team would be 2-4. A&M isn't an elite team per FEI so they likely would be in that 3-3 area

NoName · October 20, 2023

16 minutes ago, Viper said:

Yeah I was surprised how well Tennessee was running on them in the second half.

holy shit looking up that game from game on paper and you aren't kidding. A&M with the 1st percentile defensive run stuff rate is never good.

looking at the next level a lot of that is the highlight yards (This is the portion of a given run that is credited only to the running back; after a certain number of yards, the line has done its job, and most of the rest of the run will be determined by the running back himself.)

Tennessee appears to get a lot more of their yards on the highlight side vs the OL line side. no clue how that turns out for SC but their highlight yards have been getting progressively better as the season goes on on a game by game basis.

more highlight yard info here: https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2011/4/13/2102634/the-toolbox-highlight-yards

Bevoball · October 20, 2023

20 minutes ago, Viper said:

Yeah I was surprised how well Tennessee was running on them in the second half.

I think that there is a big misconception that their D-line is elite. This is caused by the fact that they get a lot of penetration causing negative rushing plays as well as sacks. When you look into it though, those stats are inflated from the first few games against the sisters of the poor schools they played, that combined with the fact that the teams that have realized they suck in coverage and realizing they could just air it out has lead to their per game rush yards against looking better than they actually are. I'm willing to be Ole Miss absolutely gashes them on offense with the run game.

RomaVicta · October 20, 2023

1 hour ago, Bevoball said:

Also, if you watch their games, their run defense isn't actually great once you get past the first level. If Tennessee had stopped throwing the ball they likely would of had a pretty easy win. The only thing their D-line seems to be good at is getting penetration, but if you can avoid getting hit in the backfield there's plenty of easy yardage there to be had. I was saying it when they played Auburn that if they had stopped trying to throw the ball they could have won that game.

I'm not a football genius, but Tennessee's decision to augment their solid running game by throwing long, low percentage passes was idiotic enough that I could see it. I don't know if that's Heupel's general habit or not, but those failures were drive killers.

I also felt A&M's defense was vulnerable on the edges. A lot of the Vol's successful runs broke to the outside.

Their rush is excellent.

Bevoball · October 20, 2023

16 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm not a football genius, but Tennessee's decision to augment their solid running game by throwing long, low percentage passes was idiotic enough that I could see it. I don't know if that's Heupel's general habit or not, but those failures were drive killers.

I also felt A&M's defense was vulnerable on the edges. A lot of the Vol's successful runs broke to the outside.

Their rush is excellent.

Yep, I think if you have a capable interior ol and you can run some outside run concepts against them the you can absolutely abuse the second level defenders.

Fud · October 20, 2023

Most offenses aren’t really comparable to Tennessee’s (or other Briles’ tree) offense though

For other schemes, I think A&M is difficult to run on, if they’re relatively healthy

Getafix · October 20, 2023

Wiltfong (247Sports), on LSU trying to flip A&M commits.

JesusSweatDuck · October 20, 2023

1 hour ago, Getafix said:

Wiltfong (247Sports), on LSU trying to flip A&M commits.

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