Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/the-wreck-of-the-wwii-steamship-karlsruhe-may-hold-lost-russian-treasure/

  Quote

A World War II shipwreck recently located off the coast of Poland may hold the dismantled pieces of the Amber Room, a Russian treasure looted by the Nazis and lost since 1945.

Expand  
  Quote

The wreck of the German steamship Karlsruhe lies 88 meters (290 feet) below the surface of the Baltic Sea and a few dozen kilometers north of the resort town of Ustka, Poland. It’s in excellent shape after 75 years on the bottom, according to the team of 10 divers from Baltictech who located the wreck in June and announced the find in early October.

“It is practically intact,” Baltictech diver Tomasz Stachura told the press in a statement.

Expand  
  Quote

Baltictech divers began their search for the Karlsruhe in 2019, using surviving documents from both sides of the war to guide their search. The odd assortment of cargo the divers found in the wreck underscores the mixed nature of the German evacuation. “In its holds, we discovered military vehicles, porcelain, and many crates with contents still unknown,” said Stachura.

And those crates are especially tantalizing. There’s a slim chance they could hold whatever is left of the Amber Room, one of the greatest treasures the Nazis looted during World War II.

Expand  
  Quote

In 1701, German sculptors and amber craftsmen built a 55-square-meter (590-square-foot) room, paneled from floor to ceiling in amber of multiple hues, with each panel backed with gold leaf or a mirror. Although the room was installed in the Berlin City Palace, home of the Prussian king, King Frederick William I gave the room as a gift to Tsar Peter I of Russia in 1716. Peter I installed it in the Catherine Palace, which he had given as a gift to his second wife, Catherine I (not to be confused with Catherine the Great, who ruled several decades later).

Expand  
  Quote

“We don’t want to get too excited, but if the Germans were to take [the Amber Room] across the Baltic Sea, then Karlsruhe steamer was their last chance,” Baltictech wrote in a recent Facebook post announcing the find.

Expand  
  Quote

However, that’s really all the evidence there is to suggest the Karlsruhe’s 75-year-old sealed crates contain the priceless panels of the Amber Room: the panels haven’t turned up anywhere else yet, and the steamship would have been their last ride out of Königsberg. It’s not a lot to get excited about. Those crates really could contain anything: vintage household goods, weapons, documents rendered unreadable by waterlogging, more porcelain, or even a different set of looted art treasures entirely.

Expand  

 

  • Hook 'Em 3
Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 1:37 AM, Hate said:

I love stuff like this.  Whatever they find down there I imagine it will be pretty cool to find out. 

Expand  

I'm afraid it's going to be vodka or something like a shitload of small arms ammo, but yeah, I love this kind of stuff.  

Props to them for making the connection to the Amber Room, even if it turns out to be nothing, because that stuff makes for a good distraction.

Posted

That's awesome they found the ship. There are lots of theories of what happened to the panels, from the panels still being in the city to the panels being shipped out by rail or horse drawn cart, but this was the most likely scenario. They just never found the ship til now.

Posted (edited)
  On 10/8/2020 at 2:10 AM, woohorn said:

It's a german military light cruiser. How much cargo space could it have?

Expand  

I thought the same thing, but turns out it's a different Karlsruhe.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Karlsruhe_(1905)

They found/eyeballed the WW2 cruiser with the same name recently too. Smoked by an RN sub in 41.  It was one of the ones with the weird offset rear turrets.  One of the WW1 Karlsruhes that was sunk/sank is in Scapa Flow IIRC, the other I don't know if they've found. 

E: Oh the one that isn't in Scapa Flow randomly blew up somewhere in the Atlantic.  

Edited by MadBurgerMaker
Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 12:10 PM, Nivek said:

Shit, the Germans were still using horses to move equipment in WW2, while the allies used trucks.  

Expand  

I read this in PFC David Webster's shouting voice. 

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 11:40 AM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I never realized steamers were still in use that late. According to wiki they began to decline in use after WWII where many of them were lost and marine diesels finally became efficient enough to give them the knock out punch.

Expand  

There were still steam engine locomotives all over the country into the 50's I believe.  Google O.Winston Link train photos 

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 12:10 PM, Nivek said:

Shit, the Germans were still using horses to move equipment in WW2, while the allies used trucks.  

Expand  

Western allies, true, but the Russians were allies too and used millions of horses.

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 1:10 PM, crash_davis said:

Fucking Nazis. All those millions killed just so they can act like fucking low life thieves. 

Expand  

Correction, they are exceptional thieves.  /hansgruber 

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 11:40 AM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I never realized steamers were still in use that late. According to wiki they began to decline in use after WWII where many of them were lost and marine diesels finally became efficient enough to give them the knock out punch.

Expand  

Hell, Tall sail ships were still being used to move cargo till the 1930s!  Look at the Elissa in Galveston.  Used sails until 1942 when it was converted. 
 

ps I sailed on it last year. One of the top ten experiences of my life.   Simply incredible   Highly recommend it once they start back up. 

DE592297-A25E-4553-9C72-6646D0404769.jpeg

044B3FE7-0810-49E0-B5C0-22C04199F10F.jpeg

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Like 1
Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 11:40 AM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I never realized steamers were still in use that late. According to wiki they began to decline in use after WWII where many of them were lost and marine diesels finally became efficient enough to give them the knock out punch.

Expand  

We still use steamers today. Not even talking about the nukes who are going electric btw.  Those Marine amphibious assault ships run on steam. About 1200 psi stuff vs the 600 psi power plants used by in WWII.

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 5:15 PM, Xian said:

Hell, Tall sail ships were still being used to move cargo till the 1930s!  Look at the Elissa in Galveston.  Used sails until 1942 when it was converted. 
 

ps I sailed on it last year. One of the top ten experiences of my life.   Simply incredible   Highly recommend it once they start back up. 

DE592297-A25E-4553-9C72-6646D0404769.jpeg

044B3FE7-0810-49E0-B5C0-22C04199F10F.jpeg

Expand  

Hell yes, any time you can be under sail is a good day.

Posted
  On 10/8/2020 at 5:36 PM, gsoda3 said:

@Xian that's awesome, do you have any more pictures?

Expand  

Yep.   It was crazy fun. I couldn’t believe how fast she sailed. It felt like I was in master and commander. 
 

2019 was the first year they received coast guard approval for group sailing. I was going to go again this year but covid put a stop to the trip. 
 

Already have my name down to call me for the 2021 spring sail (they sold out super quick last time around). 

17EB84E8-33D7-4573-A27B-CEF708CA7C32.jpeg

9D516A01-87C2-4089-8270-CCABE50D2F72.jpeg

E24CD9A1-F914-40C8-9958-BEFA998246AA.jpeg

E8F8B10D-422D-4FAC-82C2-E28C6CB36340.jpeg

DA67B50E-E778-4D99-9438-A4A5358C648C.jpeg

9DA8AAB5-0208-4495-9A4A-5D29BEC04997.jpeg

0670699E-AAAE-4F1F-9BEF-42677EA89A06.jpeg

0CEA84ED-DB98-43F1-8C64-3957C4D7DB79.jpeg

64BBC6D0-AF78-4A94-BB12-CA40720B04F7.jpeg

CC19F89B-11B1-4A39-BDCE-D95A9923E55F.jpeg

7B7DF6F5-9AB7-43B7-B828-4BC9BFD37CC7.jpeg

1F5E0C69-2B80-4747-8B5C-CB08588E0557.jpeg

7143E11F-05AC-4585-8E23-85FEF68FC5C6.jpeg

43ED6C62-8BDB-4FE9-857B-5B968D40AB79.jpeg

D7EBF240-872A-4D5E-AB1E-68D045B6DAB5.jpeg

  • Like 1
Posted

that's awesome.  how much are the tours and how do you get notified of the next sign ups opening?  i went to their site but didn't see anything.  google had nada either. 

Posted (edited)
  On 10/8/2020 at 7:46 PM, gsoda3 said:

that's awesome.  how much are the tours and how do you get notified of the next sign ups opening?  i went to their site but didn't see anything.  google had nada either. 

Expand  

I think it was around 375 bucks per person in 2019. It was a 6 hour sail and included lunch. We followed the coast to around McFaddin beach then rounded back. 
The price was scheduled to be a bit more in 2020, but can’t remember the exact amount off hand. 
 

im on their mailing list and follow them on Facebook.  Galveston is a pretty small town so I know some people who work there and they let me know when dates are released  

 I’d give them a call and talk to someone at the office, I’m sure they can get you signed up to be notified. 
 

I’ll try to remember to post on here when they release the dates. 
 

Edited by Xian
  • Like 1
Posted (edited)
  On 10/8/2020 at 8:50 PM, atomheartbevo said:

So...would they rent it out to a message forum?  Because I bet a bunch of us would be up for this.

Expand  

Ha. Cash is king. Especially now.  The site has been pretty much shut down this year due to covid and all the storms. 
Pretty sure anything can be arranged for the right price. 

Edited by Xian

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.



×
×
  • Create New...