Not paying Federal Income Taxes

[Felix 607]

Worked with a guy who believed this.  After not seeing him around for a while I asked where old so-and-so was.  Jail.  Tax evasion.  Guy had like 8 kids.  Dumbass.

[SurlyBDR 22814]

I got my tax advice from a sign on North Lamar years ago. 

 

[Chuychanga 133]

Avatar checks out

[cactusflinthead 27601]

So very in. I remember back when I was on the 40 running into a guy that had sent his Social Security card back to the gubmint and the whole spiel about the flag and that it was a maritime flag? it's a very muddled segment of society that buys into this BS. Most of the time I let them keep rolling and hear what the latest spin might be.

Yeah, that's cool man, now pass that over here. 

Edited April 26, 2018 by cactusflinthead
got dam cat on the keys

[Mole 4333]

On 4/21/2018 at 12:52 AM, Baboontyme said:

I guess the reason why I'm even bringing the discussion up is...he's been doing this for 15 years now. He has used his "evidence" to actually get refund checks from the government for years he's already paid. At what point are they going to step in? Not that I want them to. But I have to think it's coming. It's hard to believe that they would issue him refunds based on his evidentiary claims but then decide at a later point in time to step in. I guess he's just lucky? 

 

One time the IRS decided that I overpaid by $2000 and sent a refund check. Six months later I received a bill for $2000 plus penalties.

[RayDog 682]

I ran into a guy here in the Philippines who said he owed a lot in federal income tax after getting up side down in the housing market in 2008. He came here and has not filed US taxes since.

He is talking about taking a trip to the US in a couple months for the first time in 10 years. I am curious to see if they arrest him.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

6 hours ago, RayDog said:

I ran into a guy here in the Philippines who said he owed a lot in federal income tax after getting up side down in the housing market in 2008. He came here and has not filed US taxes since.

He is talking about taking a trip to the US in a couple months for the first time in 10 years. I am curious to see if they arrest him.

I assume that if you’re flying into the US, it’s not hard for the govt to cross check the flight lists with a fugitive list.  What about walking across the border?  Do they perform a quick check on anyone walking into the US from Mexico or Canada?  I haven’t walked across the border since you only had to flash a Texas drivers license to get back into the States.

[Bateshorn 9928]

nm34

Edited April 26, 2018 by Bateshorn

[Bateshorn 9928]

1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

I used to answer mail on this very issue when I was on the hill. I've read every version of this scam: Maritime Flag, Oklahoma Ratification of the 16th, inconsistent punctuation in the ratification documents, etc. 

 

I'll summarize our response letter:  "Pay your taxes. The IRS does not mess around."

 

[Reagan1k 3024]

Quote

He has used his "evidence" to actually get refund checks from the government for years he's already paid.

LOL - His evidence will quickly become the Fed's evidence used against him when his number finally gets called and they decide to prosecute.

I'm fascinated by this mindset where someone can rationalize that they are unique and somehow more enlightened than 300 million people operating under the same laws. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21912]

Feeling like you’re special and the rules don’t apply to you is pretty much the cornerstone of American society.

[mapplewhite132 309]

If your friend is a W-2 employee then I find it very hard to believe that he is not paying taxes. He may not be filing tax returns, but he would be getting IRS notices out the ass if he has W-2 wages and no withholdings. 

[irockalltherocks 55]

On 4/20/2018 at 10:51 PM, smokebomb said:

I’ve heard of something similar with an employee who worked at a company before I did. My understanding is that he completely believed the IRS didn’t have the authority to collect taxes and even got the company to not withhold income taxes (how he managed that, I have no idea).

 

 

Just enter 99 on line 5 of the W-4 for exemptions or write EXEMPT on line 7.

 

On 4/20/2018 at 10:56 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, that withholding stunt is something else.

 

 

Can you expand on this? I see this done quite often, and not just by migrant workers who have no intention of filing, but by corporate officers as well. I just assumed they wanted more spending money throughout the year and didn't mind writing a check in April.

[Gene Parmesan 4008]

Don't they have to pay quarterly estimated regardless?  I thought you can't just zero out your withholding and write a big check come April and you get penalized for not paying as you go.

[irockalltherocks 55]

3 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Don't they have to pay quarterly estimated regardless?  I thought you can't just zero out your withholding and write a big check come April and you get penalized for not paying as you go.

You might get penalized, but, at least the first time you do it, you don't pay in quarterly. I need to ask one of the higher ups how and why he does it this way.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

On 4/21/2018 at 7:58 PM, Baboontyme said:

I'll definitely provide updates if anything goes down. 

I'm sure I could answer a lot of questions and fill in a lot more detail but it would require me asking, and more to the point, being willing to endure an hour + lecture on the subject. And I am decidedly not willing to do that. 

What's his user name, we can just ask him ourselves.

[crash_davis 23114]

there are 2 ways this will end for your dipshit buddy.

 

1. he will get 3 square meals a day at some nice federal prison for a few years

2. he will fly a plane into an irs office somewhere

 

don't fuck with the government.  if you owe them money, you will pay it off in some form.

[SHOOTER12 8814]

On 4/22/2018 at 3:14 PM, SDG said:

True story: I was audited for my first year of grad school because I had a significant reduction in reported income...  

I just provided documentation that I was in school and it was over but getting a certified letter had by but puckered.  

 

edit to add, that they didn't audit me for a couple of years after I had already graduated.  I may never know what triggered the review as it's not like I made a lot of money before school...

Never use IRS furnished envelopes to send in returns.  Some are encoded to "randomly" trigger audits.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

A friend of mine's dad sold his company for multi,multi millions.  Did one of those tax shelters that Jenkins Gilchrist developed that were later busted by the IRS.  He owed millions in back taxes.  His cash was offshore and he now lives in the Caribbean.  He cannot return to the USA.

[Pato del Muerto 52535]

Is he able to survive in the Caribbean with just his millions?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

someone might be the happiest person in the world, living in the Caribbean with millions in the bank but it would be a pain to avoid the US in terms of physicality and protecting your money.  You also always have to wonder if/when your host country won't turn you over.   I've read stories where fugitives have had to payoff local govt officials.

And if you're smart enough to grow and ultimately sell a multi-million dollar company, why not use that intellect and drive to protect and grow your money without the worry of jail time.

 

[crash_davis 23114]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

someone might be the happiest person in the world, living in the Caribbean with millions in the bank but it would be a pain to avoid the US in terms of physicality and protecting your money.  You also always have to wonder if/when your host country won't turn you over.   I've read stories where fugitives have had to payoff local govt officials.

And if you're smart enough to grow and ultimately sell a multi-million dollar company, why not use that intellect and drive to protect and grow your money without the worry of jail time.

 

cause greed, reading comprehension of a 5 year old, and unfounded paranoia will make a person do some really stupid shit.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

When online betting was taking off about 10+ years ago, I recall a story where several Americans opened up an online casino/sportsbook in Antigua or somewhere in the Caribbean.  Eventually they all had US federal arrest warrants.  Even though they claimed to be successful, at least one of the returned to face the charges.  It may have been on ESPN Outside the Lines or HBO Real Sports.     An island paradise may not be a paradise if you basically can't leave.  

[Pato del Muerto 52535]

26 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

someone might be the happiest person in the world, living in the Caribbean with millions in the bank but it would be a pain to avoid the US in terms of physicality and protecting your money.  You also always have to wonder if/when your host country won't turn you over.   I've read stories where fugitives have had to payoff local govt officials.

And if you're smart enough to grow and ultimately sell a multi-million dollar company, why not use that intellect and drive to protect and grow your money without the worry of jail time.

 

Because sometimes luck is the biggest factor in growing a business into something to be sold for millions, not intellect. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Because sometimes luck is the biggest factor in growing a business into something to be sold for millions, not intellect. 

He owned 60 fast food restaurants and sold them for a lot of money. He’s a bright dude. He trusted his attorneys and accountants and it was either turn over the assets representing his life’s work or move to the Caribbean with his loot.  

Not an easy decision. 

If anything, his luck was bad.  

[RDCanecutter 26458]

On 4/25/2018 at 12:39 PM, Felix said:

Worked with a guy who believed this.  After not seeing him around for a while I asked where old so-and-so was.  Jail.  Tax evasion.  Guy had like 8 kids.  Dumbass.

Or genius. Would have to see the 8 kids to know for sure.

[RDCanecutter 26458]

39 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

He owned 60 fast food restaurants and sold them for a lot of money. He’s a bright dude. He trusted his attorneys and accountants and it was either turn over the assets representing his life’s work or move to the Caribbean with his loot.  

Not an easy decision. 

If anything, his luck was bad.  

Your friend may indeed be smart, but based on the recent actions of multi-millionaires who own slurpee shacks, I'm gonna need to see the actual IQ scores.

[RDCanecutter 26458]

On 4/25/2018 at 12:53 PM, SurlyBDR said:

I got my tax advice from a sign on North Lamar years ago. 

 

Satin Rules.

[52-80 19205]

They can't tax me I'm a sovereign citizen.

[Chad Fuck 17698]

17 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

Satin Rules.

Fuck yes.  Laughed at that every time I drove down Red River.  

[BearSchlong 8105]

On 4/26/2018 at 4:14 PM, Johnny Sack said:

He owned 60 fast food restaurants and sold them for a lot of money. He’s a bright dude. He trusted his attorneys and accountants and it was either turn over the assets representing his life’s work or move to the Caribbean with his loot.  

Not an easy decision. 

If anything, his luck was bad.  

Curious situation.  When I was in St. Kitts a few years ago there was a nice housing development going in to the west of Basseterre and there were signs posted that if you invested $400K in property then they would give you a passport/citizenship.  It's my understanding that many of the early cryptocurrency millionaires took advantage of this and similar offers, people actually renouncing their US Citizenship.

From what I've read extradition becomes a joint Justice Dept/State Dept endeavor and requires the accused to have legal representation in both countries, etc.

[BearSchlong 8105]

Sitting in a very old neighborhood corner cafe in NOLA right now. Small sign on the counter says "cash only."

Hmmmm

[El Diablo 4232]

28 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Sitting in a very old neighborhood corner cafe in NOLA right now. Small sign on the counter says "cash only."

Hmmmm

How's the shoulder doing?

[BearSchlong 8105]

How's the shoulder doing?

Much better thank you.

[Steamboat1874 4075]

On 4/20/2018 at 10:17 PM, Baboontyme said:

I have a friend (legit, this is not me) who has long been a bit of a conspiracy theorist. He is the type of guy who likes alternate theories because I think psychologically he just likes to think that the public are sheep and being spread misinformation and that if you educate yourself about things, there is more to every single little slice of anything. This goes all the way back to Tower 7 stuff, etc. Without trying to get political (I don't think he's a Sandy Hook Truther, but I would not even want to talk about it with him), he's a big time 2nd Amendment guy, thinks Global Warming is a scam, etc. He's a smart guy, but he's a bit off the reservation and sometimes I think seeking to find an alternate truth so that he can feel like he's for lack of a better term, just the smartest guy in the room. He is also very sincere and honest and does not lie. I have known him pretty much my entire life. 

I've known about this particular "belief" of his before, but I tend to avoid any kind of heavy conversation with him because it's just exhausting. He likes to talk about it, and gets rolling, and I feign interest and then change the subject typically. Well last night he and another mutual friend and I were drinking beers and our other friend started probing on the Income Tax thing. 

He says he has not paid Federal Income Tax since 2003. He says that there is a very specific IRS code, and the language in the IRS code differs from common definitions that you and I have come to accept. It goes something like this (hell I probably have this wrong) - the IRS code states that as an employee you have to pay federal income tax. However, when you actually look up the IRS definition of employee, it is someone who derives a benefit from the Federal Government, and when you look that up, it boils down to someone who actually works for the Federal Government. Something like that. His claim is that if you work for a private or public non government entity, you do not owe Federal Income taxes on the basis of not being an actual employee as the IRS defines it. 

He claims that there is a community out there (and I haven't looked for it) where this is common knowledge and there are books on the subject, and that basically when the IRS comes to you demanding their penance, you can city X, Y, and Z and if you respond properly to their letters/inquiries, there is nothing they can do. He said they threatened to take his house, his bank account, etc, but he kept responding to their inquiries and citing the proper sources and definitions and eventually they just gave up. 

He's even gone so far as to demand a refund BACK from the IRS for years that he paid, before he realized this. He has actually shown me some of these checks in the past. 

Now, I am absolutely not thinking about doing this. I have too much to lose. He is single with a nearly grown daughter and his house is paid for, etc. But I know the Surl has a wealth of background and knowledge and I wondered if anyone has ever heard of this notion. 

Again, he's completely trustworthy. I believe him fully. I believe that he believes it is the truth. I also believe that in 5-10 years Uncle Sam is gonna come knocking at his door. He seems to think he's past that hurdle. 

"Thinks global warming is a scam."

All I needed to hear.

 

 

[luke duke 6413]

Tell the guy that he needs to cash out refi everything he owns, buy gold and hide it.

[mycox 582]

On 4/20/2018 at 10:47 PM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Edited July 11, 2018 by mycox

[Leeroy Jenkins 2409]

You gonna get cut. 

[El Diablo 4232]

On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 9:31 AM, BearSchlong said:

On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 9:09 AM, El Diablo said:

How's the shoulder doing?

Much better thank you.

Holy shit, the thread got bumped and I saw this and read it as "Much better than you", lol. Get well soon, Schlong!