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Lost for.12 days a half mike from the parking lot of this trail:

https://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/grottotrail.php 

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The Grotto Trail is a short half a mile trail that starts at the Zion Lodge (the 5th stop for the Zion Canyon Shuttle) and ends at the Grotto trailhead and picnic area (the 6th stop). The trail is almost completely level as it follows the canyon floor though a pleasant wooded meadow and then runs alongside the Zion Canyon Road before ending at the Grotto.

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1 hour ago, Bernard said:

Lost for.12 days a half mike from the parking lot of this trail:

https://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/grottotrail.php 

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Bernard 

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Grotto Trail
The Grotto Trail is a short half a mile trail that starts at the Zion Lodge (the 5th stop for the Zion Canyon Shuttle) and ends at the Grotto trailhead and picnic area (the 6th stop). The trail is almost completely level as it follows the canyon floor though a pleasant wooded meadow and then runs alongside the Zion Canyon Road before ending at the Grotto.

I hiked this and I am calling 100% bullshit. 

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Lost for.12 days a half mike from the parking lot of this trail:
https://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/grottotrail.php 
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The Grotto Trail is a short half a mile trail that starts at the Zion Lodge (the 5th stop for the Zion Canyon Shuttle) and ends at the Grotto trailhead and picnic area (the 6th stop). The trail is almost completely level as it follows the canyon floor though a pleasant wooded meadow and then runs alongside the Zion Canyon Road before ending at the Grotto.


Damon, at least she picked somewhere pretty to get fake lost.
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19 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

Just gonna point out that on this graph, the Y-axis baseline level of crazy is 4. 

Watch the video where the guy explains the graph.  Funny watch.   Basic point is that no woman is less than 4 on the crazy scale, so that is the floor.

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Courtier was found Sunday morning in some thick vegetation near the Virgin River not far from The Grotto Picnic area where she was last seen

There’s literally a super easy to hike trail AND a major roadway running right along the Virgin River just steps away from where this chick was supposedly lost.

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Courtier was found Sunday morning in some thick vegetation near the Virgin River not far from The Grotto Picnic area where she was last seen
There’s literally a super easy to hike trail AND a major roadway running right along the Virgin River just steps away from where this chick was supposedly lost.
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To be fair that’s a pretty complicated map for a chic
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Sister says she was crazy. Their explanation is even worse horse shit. Evidently, she hadn’t eaten for a few day before she left in the night to go to this park so she hadn’t eaten in appx 15 days and didn’t drink ANY water for 12 days. She survived cuz Jesus.


Lost woman has checked into mental institution to get better/hide from reporters calling out her bullshit and sister can’t understand why everyone is so critical

 

”The sister of the woman who went missing in Zion National Park for 12 days is speaking out.

Holly Courtier, 38, was found alive after she was missing for nearly two weeks on Sunday, PEOPLE previously reported.

Courtier's older sister, Jaime Strong, 41, spoke with Today on Thursday, calling her sister's discovery a "miracle."

"I think God got her through this," Strong said. "I think it's a miracle. I truly believe there is no reason she should be alive. It doesn't make sense. She didn't have the proper gear, and she didn't have food or water."

Courtier's family previously said that she had holed up near a river bed, and Strong clarified in the Today interview that Courtier did not use the river as a source of drinking water.

"She was very well aware of the toxins in the river," Strong said. "There was a statement made that she said she set up camp because she wanted to stay close to the river, but we were never implying that she drank the water."

RELATED: Police Question Account of Missing Hiker Found in Zion National Park After 12 Days: 'Discrepancies'

Authorities have questioned the family's account of how Courtier survived the ordeal

Sgt. Darrell Cashin of the Washington County Sheriff’s Search and Rescue previously told local station ABC4 that if Courtier "had been drinking that water, unless she had some really high immune system, she would’ve been very, very ill and probably unable to come out on her own."

"She either took a lot of water with her or had another clean water source that was near here, but the Virgin River is not that source," Cashin said.

Strong said Thursday that Courtier "said she didn't have anything to drink at all," and said that the story of her sister's ordeal has been "twisted."

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"She was very scared and traumatized, and she wanted to leave the park in my car with me and my husband and her daughter, and we drove her straight to the emergency room, so things have just been twisted," she told Today.

Strong added that she didn't think her sister was in a good "mental state" when she entered the park for a two or three day "journey of fasting," and hadn't eaten for a few days before entering the park.

"I really think she had a mental breakdown and was not in the right state of mind when she decided to take this journey and not tell people where she was going," Strong said of Courtier, who has since checked into a mental wellness facility.

RELATED: Daughter of Calif. Woman Who Disappeared During Hike at National Park in Utah Speaks Out

Strong described Courtier as "emaciated" after 12 days in the wilderness and lost between 15 and 18 lbs. "It was like seeing someone who had aged 30 years in 12 days," she said. "It was horrific, but at that point I was so happy to see her it didn't matter."

Strong said that while the National Park Service said her sister was able to "leave of her own capability with minimal assistance," Courtier was driven at that point by the excitement of being rescued.

"It's just so blown out of proportion," said Strong. "When you think you're going to die and you see a ranger, she said she literally got like giddy inside because she knew she was going to see her daughter and her family, so you definitely have some adrenaline working for you at that point”

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8 hours ago, Updawg said:

There’s literally a super easy to hike trail AND a major roadway running right along the Virgin River just steps away from where this chick was supposedly lost.
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To be fair that’s a pretty complicated map for a chic


Sister: “it’s a miracle they found her!!!”

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On 10/21/2020 at 8:24 AM, atomheartbevo said:

So she got dehydrated, and as somebody said, diarrhea could do that fast if you drank not-so-clean water.

And doctors said her potassium levels had bottomed out and she was starting to have kidney failure.  Sounds like she was within a few days of dying.  

 

Was just coming here to post that.

 

These threads always go the same way-- hiker gets lost, gets found. There is always "more to the story".

Yeah, more to the story: people are stupid, have no idea how to orienteer or survive in back country once their camel back is dry and they have eaten their last power bar. They go off trail, get lost, and are found a few hours/days/weeks later.

Also, "experienced hiker" doesn't mean you can hike the south rim in a day. This idiot was not an "experienced hiker'.

 

tldr: Stick to the trail, idiots.

 

 

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some fun notes from the Daily Mail

shit don’t add up.
 

-They spotted the hammock it was known Courtier had with her and placed a call into search and rescue. 

-Courtier took a shuttle bus to the park on October 6. She did not take her phone with her. 

It's unclear how long she intended to stay there.

 -Holly's family raised more than $12,000 of their $15,000 goal. They say she needs medical care but the sheriff said she had no serious injuries when she was found on Sunday

-They have not specified what her injuries are but say they are for a hospital stay and therapy costs. 

-The woman does not have health insurance as she lost her job as a nanny due to the pandemic. 

-Courtier's daughter said she deliberately stayed close to a water source and that she drank from it. 

-Sheriff also said she did not have a head injury that would have been consistent with her hitting it on a tree, as her daughter claimed she did. 

-'Physically, she seemed to be in a condition that did not warrant an ambulance and they felt was comfortable to release her to her family to address,' he said.  

-GoFundMe also confirmed with DailyMail.com that they are investigating the family's fundraising after the sheriff's comments. 

-Courtier herself has not been seen or heard from since she was rescued.

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3 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

some fun notes from the Daily Mail

shit don’t add up.
 

-They spotted the hammock it was known Courtier had with her and placed a call into search and rescue. 

-Courtier took a shuttle bus to the park on October 6. She did not take her phone with her. 

It's unclear how long she intended to stay there.

 -Holly's family raised more than $12,000 of their $15,000 goal. They say she needs medical care but the sheriff said she had no serious injuries when she was found on Sunday

-They have not specified what her injuries are but say they are for a hospital stay and therapy costs. 

-The woman does not have health insurance as she lost her job as a nanny due to the pandemic. 

-Courtier's daughter said she deliberately stayed close to a water source and that she drank from it. 

-Sheriff also said she did not have a head injury that would have been consistent with her hitting it on a tree, as her daughter claimed she did. 

-'Physically, she seemed to be in a condition that did not warrant an ambulance and they felt was comfortable to release her to her family to address,' he said.  

-GoFundMe also confirmed with DailyMail.com that they are investigating the family's fundraising after the sheriff's comments. 

-Courtier herself has not been seen or heard from since she was rescued.

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Goddamn. Out searching for lost mom, but not too busy to take a few pics (you know they took multiple shots and posted the best one) before they start the search.

 

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1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Goddamn. Out searching for lost mom, but not too busy to take a few pics (you know they took multiple shots and posted the best one) before they start the search.

 

I guess we all show grief differently.


The fact that she didn’t require an ambulance is very telling. These rescuers see dehydration frequently.  There is no way it happened like she said. It’s like a women’s being found in the rubble of a collapsed building after 12 days and not need an ambulance. 

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I think the sheriff also said that if she was drinking from that particular water source, she would have been extremely sick or dead.

 

 

If she had been drinking that water, unless she had some really high immune system, she would’ve been very, very ill and probably unable to come out on her own,” Cashin says. “She either took a lot of water with her or had another clean water source that was near here, but the Virgin River is not that source.”

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44 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Goddamn. Out searching for lost mom, but not too busy to take a few pics (you know they took multiple shots and posted the best one) before they start the search.

 

Yeah, this is appearing to be a GoFundMe money grab with delusions of a Hallmark movie special.

 

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22 hours ago, Bernard said:

There’s literally a super easy to hike trail AND a major roadway running right along the Virgin River just steps away from where this chick was supposedly lost.

Bernard

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/missing-hiker-geraldine-largay-appalachian-trail-maine.html

 

Here's a rehash of the older lady who got lost on the Appalachian Trail a few years ago.  She ultimately died, and it was some time before here remains were discovered.  She was less than two miles off the trail.  To be sure, this was a much more remote area and much harsher conditions.  The article states that she was "in over her head", but she had already covered a thousand miles or so. Take home point-finding your way in the woods isn't for everybody.  I could get lost in a phone booth. 

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59 minutes ago, bmbmd said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/missing-hiker-geraldine-largay-appalachian-trail-maine.html

 

Here's a rehash of the older lady who got lost on the Appalachian Trail a few years ago.  She ultimately died, and it was some time before here remains were discovered.  She was less than two miles off the trail.  To be sure, this was a much more remote area and much harsher conditions.  The article states that she was "in over her head", but she had already covered a thousand miles or so. Take home point-finding your way in the woods isn't for everybody.  I could get lost in a phone booth. 

Yes. I remember that story. The pin in the map below was the last place she was seen alive. Here’s a description of the terrain...

“Ms. Largay had left the trail in one its most rugged sections, with thick underbrush and fir trees packed so tightly they almost seem to merge.

“You step off the trail 20 or 50 feet and turn around, it’s very difficult to see where the trail was,” said Douglas Dolan, 53, a volunteer who spent time last summer doing trail maintenance in the area. “If you didn’t know which way the trail was, you could easily walk in circles for hours.”

Too bad there wasn’t a major National Park road 50 yards away filled with with busses ferrying thousands of tourists a day.

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

So says shaggy/surly every time a missing hiker is found. 

Every. Single. Time. 

I don’t seem to recall a story where the person was publicly disbelieved by Sheriffs/rescuers and who also assessed by paramedics to not need an ambulance after her sister claimed on national TV that she didn’t drink any water for 12 days- just wet her mouth from the river and spit it out. 

You’ve seen the movie 127hrs? That movie where James Franco sawed off his arm after 5 days in Utah’s back country? The real guy almost died from exposure in a different Southern Utah National park about 4.5hrs away in half the time she was gone. I’m pretty sure he would call bullshit as well 

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So says shaggy/surly every time a missing hiker is found. 
Every. Single. Time. 
I'm genuinely curious, do you think her story adds up?

Found in a highly trafficked area with no one having an her for weeks. No food or water. Originally family implied she stayed by the creek for water, until a ranger called bs because the water is toxic, then family changes the story to say she never drank the water (but doesn't explain where she got water, which she must have had or she'd be dead). Family says she may have been disoriented when she first entered the park, but she had no trouble getting to the park and hiking in the that far. Supposed head injury that kept her lost, but was not found or insignificant enough not to concern medical responders when she was found. Walked out under her own power and released to her family, but they need a $15k gofundme for medical assistance.

You think all of this is on the up and up and the doubters here are just tinfoil conspiracy nuts?
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There are some red flags but it's not a done deal to me.  About the water situation, who the fuck knows?  The details reported by the media, by her family members, and by the sheriff dept are all have an equal chance of being totally incorrect.  Maybe she had some with her early on and they just don't know about it because she was incapable of giving them straight answers in her condition.  How many times have you read a news story about your particular area of expertise and realized they got even the most basic facts completely wrong?  It takes just one small bit of misinformation to send everyone off into the weeds with wrong ideas. 

And being half a mile from a popular trail means jack shit in the wilderness when you're exhausted, malnourished, and dehydrated.  If you don't know where that trail is it might as well be 100 miles away, it's not like you can see it in that type of terrain or know which way to go looking for it.  People die lost near trails all the time.  I lean toward something fishy going on but it's not an open and shut case for me.

If she was mentally off then even her family isn't getting straight answers from her and so whatever their version of the story is has no bearing on the truth any more than random dudes discussing it on a bulletin board. 

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19 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

So says shaggy/surly every time a missing hiker is found. 

Every. Single. Time. 

Some of us know the West. While others burn couches in Ohio.

No offense intended, of course, since that goes without saying when a got-damm yankee talks about wilderness unknown in that got-damm rustbelt. 

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