Abbott being Abbott

[Mo Horn 8849]

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but this seems to be unconstitutional.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Mo Horn

[Planet Houston 4930]

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Texas social workers are criticizing a state regulatory board’s decision this week to remove protections for LGBTQ clients and clients with disabilities who seek social work services.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Planet Houston

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

fucker needs to take a long roll on a short pier 

[Pato del Muerto 52524]

I hate that guy

[bolverk 29684]

Yep, he's giving the green light to discriminate against my deaf daughter. I've never been on his "team" and have always been opposed to discrimination against LGBTQ folks, but this is like the "first they came for the socialists..." thing. It now directly hits my immediate family and always has a few gay friends.

This is indefensible. Fuck him and anyone who votes for him.

Edited October 21, 2020 by bolverk
thread title should read Abbott being a butt

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

if said social worker takes one penny from any governmental entity...or works as a contractor under the employ of any business that takes a single penny from any governmental entity...then §1983 will apply.

[Anastasis 23475]

Gov. Greg Abbott’s office recommended the change, board members said, because the code’s nondiscrimination protections went beyond protections laid out in the state law that governs how and when the state may discipline social workers.

 

Are state certification boards expressly prohibited from creating board rules governing the actions of licensees that are not otherwise explicitly authorized in the state law? I do not believe that to be the case, but may very well be wrong.  Seems to me that there are rules described in various board's codes of conduct that go beyond the statutes, but haven't look at any of those laws in a long long time.

Seems to me that the board should have some latitude, and let the courts resolve the matter if a licensee objects to one of the rules.  In this case, it appears that the social workers are largely against this change, and it is a top down change from the gov, rather than something coming from the practitioners or the board.  

[Celery Man 20966]

Surely the Christians are outraged

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

8 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Surely the Christians are outraged

They are definitely not the good guys anymore if they ever were.

[TwiceHorn 31495]

Well, lets back up and analyze this.

• As private citizens, social workers are constitutionally entitled to discriminate on whatever basis they want.  That might violate a federal or state law, but not the constitution.
• If the social worker is employed by the government, either state or federal, or accepts government funding or otherwise acts under color of law, their actions may be unconstitutional.
• So, apparently Texas has no general law that prohibits private citizens, or social workers from discriminating.  
• There is a state law that governs licensure and regulation of social workers.  That law does not make it illegal for social workers to discriminate.
• The same law creates the State Board of Social Worker Examiners, which is permitted to enact a "Code of Conduct" for social workers, and discipline them for violation of it. 
• The Code of Conduct prohibited this type of discrimination and subjected licensed social workers to discipline for violating it.
• Abbott sought the removal of the anti-discrimination provision from the Code of Conduct because it was "inconsistent" with the licensure law.

Complete bullshit.  But not unconstitutional.

 

[Longhorn94 2452]

how the fuck did this guy wind up being a worse governor than rick fuckin perry? i just dont get it... 

[Huckleberry 32997]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, lets back up and analyze this.

• As private citizens, social workers are constitutionally entitled to discriminate on whatever basis they want.  That might violate a federal or state law, but not the constitution.
• If the social worker is employed by the government, either state or federal, or accepts government funding or otherwise acts under color of law, their actions may be unconstitutional.
• So, apparently Texas has no general law that prohibits private citizens, or social workers from discriminating.  
• There is a state law that governs licensure and regulation of social workers.  That law does not make it illegal for social workers to discriminate.
• The same law creates the State Board of Social Worker Examiners, which is permitted to enact a "Code of Conduct" for social workers, and discipline them for violation of it. 
• The Code of Conduct prohibited this type of discrimination and subjected licensed social workers to discipline for violating it.
• Abbott sought the removal of the anti-discrimination provision from the Code of Conduct because it was "inconsistent" with the licensure law.

Complete bullshit.  But not unconstitutional.

 

You forgot the "wink wink" at the end of the bullet point on the lame excuse of a reason why he did it.

[RPM 26322]

[TwiceHorn 31495]

2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

You forgot the "wink wink" at the end of the bullet point on the lame excuse of a reason why he did it.

Yeah, the whole idea of letting the Board create social-worker-specific rules, including a code of conduct, is to let those with profession-specific knowledge decide how to govern and regulate the profession.

It's not inconsistent with the law creating the Board unless it is something the law says the Board cannot do, or something that mandates what social workers must do.  The law doesn't say the Board can't have anti-discrimination rules, nor does it say that social workers must discriminate.

It's not "inconsistent" with the law.

It is inconsistent with Greg Abbott's Trumpy, asshole-conservative pandering desires.  Another instance where Greg Abbott knows better and does it anyway.

There's a special place in hell for him and his ilk.

[Ghost of LL 15539]

14 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

how the fuck did this guy wind up being a worse governor than rick fuckin perry? i just dont get it... 

Because Rick Perry was corrupt and stupid, but he was never mean.  Greg Abbott is mean.  It's just a mean form of conservatism.  

[TwiceHorn 31495]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Because Rick Perry was corrupt and stupid, but he was never mean.  Greg Abbott is mean.  It's just a mean form of conservatism.  

Also, Perry just didn't do much.  He let the office flow over him.

Abbott is pretty active and always seems at risk of overstepping the legal bounds of the governor.

[hayden_horn 11362]

15 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Because Rick Perry was corrupt and stupid, but he was never mean.  Greg Abbott is mean.  It's just a mean form of conservatism.  

it's a bit more than that. abbott has come to the conclusion that meanness is the core republican principle, and that he needs to show his meanness so that the current republican voter can wave a trump flag and holler "fuck your feelings"

i honestly am not sure where intelligence went in the republican party, but it's now gone, and it's all hateful instinct that is left.

[DaysOff 7951]

Why would someone pursue a career in social work and discriminate against anyone? Now they can because muh freedoms. I'm so confused.

[Horn Dog 9875]

3 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Why would someone pursue a career in social work and discriminate against anyone? Now they can because muh freedoms. I'm so confused.

Well you see the founder fathers didn't like the gays so......

[Ghost of LL 15539]

4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i honestly am not sure where intelligence went in the republican party, but it's now gone, and it's all hateful instinct that is left.

It fled in 2016.  That's really the answer.  An absolute ton of people who were the thought leaders in the party left after 2016.

[Dnaguy 12001]

20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, Perry just didn't do much.  He let the office flow over him.

Abbott is pretty active and always seems at risk of overstepping the legal bounds of the governor.

I think Abbot is really just doing his best to hold on to power.

He can see the demographic shift ramping up in the state.

it may be craven, but it’s the political situation that fell in his lap. 

He’s got his back against the wall and is trying to roll with it.

Its really not all that special or different than any other sitting governor in his situation would do.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Dnaguy

[Wanker Bob 379]

Inching closer to fascism one step at a time

[SizzleChest 8284]

Greggy still sees potty Patrick as a more significant threat than perhaps many thought.  But, this kind of shit is eventually going to work against him.

[UpperWestside 6169]

The way this guy rolls is indefensible. 

[Blotto 23559]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Because Rick Perry was corrupt and stupid, but he was never mean.  

Not a mean bone in his body, unless its someone else's

[Dnaguy 12001]

 

15 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

Inching closer to fascism one step at a time

With more of a sustained push, we could all be find ourselves under the heal of the governor.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Dnaguy

[Blotto 23559]

4 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

 

With more of a sustained push, we could all be find ourselves under the heal wheel of the governor.

 

[UpperWestside 6169]

3 hours ago, Celery Man said:

Surely the Christians are outraged

That he did not do this sooner.

[David Dennison 18922]

Good job, Republicans.

Dicks.

[TwiceHorn 31495]

2 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Why would someone pursue a career in social work and discriminate against anyone? Now they can because muh freedoms. I'm so confused.

Yeah, I quite doubt that the anti-discrimination provisions were highly unpopular in the LMSW community.

Now, I could see that maybe some social workers aren't very plugged in to certain communities or issues and may refer away to someone more competent for that type of client, but I don't see that as discrimination.  Might provide cover for discrimination.

[freyguy 4278]

Between that and the pope's decision to go the other way...was there some worldwide "pick your side of the gay thing" day going on?

[safe sex 11735]

Yeah, I quite doubt that the anti-discrimination provisions were highly unpopular in the LMSW community.
Now, I could see that maybe some social workers aren't very plugged in to certain communities or issues and may refer away to someone more competent for that type of client, but I don't see that as discrimination.  Might provide cover for discrimination.

There are plenty of Republican/conservative social workers in this state who ignore the things they are taught that they don't agree with politically.

[henrygandorf 29192]

jesus, “because we’re legally allowed to” needs to stop being a fucking reason things happen in this country, or in my former state of residence. 

i can come up with dozens of times trump has led by example here but i don’t think i should have to. 

[Bullneck 19168]

17 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

They are definitely not the good guys anymore if they ever were.

[gmr548 16580]

I for one am glad our governor decided to address this absolutely critical issue. Making sure social workers can discriminate should absolutely be a top priority during these times.

Greg Abbott is a sad, pathetic piece of shit and if you support him, you are too.

[burntorangebongos 10747]

18 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, Perry just didn't do much.  He let the office flow over him.

Abbott is pretty active and always seems at risk of *overstepping the legal bounds of the governor.

*overrolling , FIFY

[Hagbard Celine 10871]

wheels in fort worth yesterday campaigning on a vaccine/regeneron platform:

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-patients-could-get-covid-19-vaccines-and-treatment-by-november-gov-abbott-says/287-c4f805b1-41a9-4dfa-8fb2-a40570b784df

reality:

https://www.biospace.com/article/regeneron-requests-emergency-use-authorization-for-covid-19-antibody-cocktail/

like cheeto, abbott has done nothing whatsoever to merit any justification for discussing medical shit, but will campaign on a vaccine/treatment platform that is itself fictitious.

pubs are scared.

[StassneyHorn 6613]

His campaign account just released this

 

[freyguy 4278]

Hot Wheels is a bit outta touch with his electorate....

If he just shut up and said "blah-blah economy, blah-blah keep everyone safe during COVID" and every month or so throw in a jab to Adler, he'd not have to worry about a thing.  But he's putting his career in jeopardy to save good ol Ted.  I don't get it.

[Mdhorn 5970]

On 10/21/2020 at 12:58 PM, Mo Horn said:

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but this seems to be unconstitutional.

For the people that still wonder if any Republican healthcare plans will cover preexisting conditions, here you go.  When social workers can turn away the disabled, you have have your answer.

[elfenix 34308]

Just heard on NPR that Abbott is rolling out the guard on election day to Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio to help LEOs put down election-related unrest.

 

 

[Ghost of LL 15539]

Pfft--the Texas Guard (not the National Guard, mind you).  Gimmie a break.

[Longhorn94 2452]

i guess Abbott missed the fact that most people will have already voted by that time... fucking idiot. what an embarrassment to the University and our great state.

[Michael Knight 12988]

 

[Firemans4Horn 18106]

Are he and lazy-eye Chevy Chase billing the taxpayers by the hour?

 

It seems like they both choose to get involved in every dumbass lawsuit and anti-democratic policy possible. 

[David Dennison 18922]

Is it too early to start talking about Democrats who can pose a real challenge to Greg Abbott in 2022?

I assume Beto will be discussed.

 

[Mo Horn 8849]

One of the Castro brothers. 

[Ghost of LL 15539]

3 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

One of the Castro brothers. 

Fuck the Castro brothers.

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Is it too early to start talking about Democrats who can pose a real challenge to Greg Abbott in 2022?

I assume Beto will be discussed.

 

His guns position probably makes him difficult to win a statewide now.  Things can change but unfortunately may need a tragedy to motivate public opinion change.

I've always assumed one of the Castro's, but have been wrong.  

I saw Joe Jaworski is running vs Paxton.

[4th&Five 41558]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Is it too early to start talking about Democrats who can pose a real challenge to Greg Abbott in 2022?

I assume Beto will be discussed.

 

He was my first thought.