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5 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

The violence, perhaps not. But my understanding is the uniqueness was due to the fact the AA community was thriving (financially) there.  That certainly was not common. 

They had one a few weeks ago that shows how germs spread on airplanes that was fantastic as well.

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5 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

The violence, perhaps not. But my understanding is the uniqueness was due to the fact the AA community was thriving (financially) there.  That certainly was not common. 

it was more common than you might think, and it was really part of the ugly history of the post-civil war post-slavery america, and weren't limited to the south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_race_riot_of_1908

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When a mob seeking to lynch the men discovered the sheriff had transferred them out of the city, the whites furiously spread out to attack black neighborhoods, murdered black citizens on the streets, and destroyed black businesses and homes. The state militia was called out to quell the rioting.

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The riot was a catalyst for the formation of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), organized to work on civil rights for African Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slocum_massacre

i didn't know about this one until shortly after i found out about the tulsa massacre. right here in lovely texas in 1910.

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The Slocum Massacre occurred on July 29-30, 1910 in Slocum, Texas. Only six deaths were officially confirmed, but it is estimated as many as one hundred African Americans lost their lives in this massacre. H

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he Texas Rangers began their work by helping the black women and children. On their search, black neighborhoods were completely empty and property subsequently stolen, except for the deaths of an elderly couple, and rangers did confirm that black people genuinely believed that white people were hunting them.

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Although the death count is unclear, it is a fact that when the next census was taken at least one half of the black population was no longer in Slocum

then the red summer of 1919 happened, and it's unlikely we'll ever fully understand jhow many people were killed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer

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Red Summer is the period from late winter through early autumn of 1919 during which white supremacist terrorism and racial riots took place in more than three dozen cities across the United States, as well as in one rural county in Arkansas.

the year started off incendiary, and just would not stop:

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Early riots: April 13–July 14

April 13: In rural Georgia, the riot of Jenkins County led to 6 deaths, as well as the destruction of various property by arson, including the Carswell Grove Baptist Church, and 3 black Masonic lodges in Millen, Georgia.


May 10: The Charleston riot resulted in the injury of 5 white and 18 black men, along with the death of 3 others: Isaac Doctor, William Brown, and James Talbot, all black. Following the riot, the city of Charleston, South Carolina imposed martial law.[3]A Naval investigation found that four U.S. sailors and one civilian—all white men—initiated the riot.[15]


Early July: A white race riot in Longview, Texas led to the deaths of at least 4 men and destroyed the African-American housing district in the town.[3]


July 3: Local police in Bisbee, Arizona attacked the 10th U.S. Cavalry, an African-American unit known as the "Buffalo Soldiers," formed in 1866.[16]


July 14: The Garfield Park riot took place in Garfield Park, Indianapolis, where multiple people, including a 7-year-old girl, were wounded when gunfire broke out.

you had the washington dc race riot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_race_riot_of_1919

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The Washington race riot of 1919 was civil unrest in Washington, D.C. from July 19, 1919, to July 24, 1919. Starting July 19, white men, many in the United States Army, United States Navy, and United States Marine Corps, responded to the rumored arrest of a black man for rape of a white woman with four days of mob violence against black individuals and businesses. 

black folks actually armed up and fought back in that one.

then you had chicago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_race_riot_of_1919

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The Chicago race riot of 1919 was a violent racial conflict started by white Americans against black Americans that began on the South Side of Chicago, Illinois, on July 27 and ended on August 3, 1919.[1][2] During the riot, 38 people died (23 black and 15 white).[3] Over the week, injuries attributed to the episodic confrontations stood at 537, with two thirds of the injured being black and one third white, and approximately 1,000 to 2,000, most of whom were black, lost their homes.

knoxville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_riot_of_1919

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The Knoxville riot of 1919 was a race riot that took place in the American city of Knoxville, Tennessee, on August 30–31, 1919. The riot began when a lynch mob stormed the county jail in search of Maurice Mays, a biracial man who had been accused of murdering a white woman. Unable to find Mays, the rioters looted the jail and fought a pitched gun battle with the residents of a predominantly black neighborhood.

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Knoxville's newspapers placed the death toll at just two (Etter and Payne), though eyewitness accounts say it was much higher.[1] Deputy Carroll Cate estimated that between 25 and 30 had been killed, while National Guard Major Maurice Martin placed it between 30 and 40. Others placed the death toll in the hundreds.[1][7] By some accounts, the dead were so many that the bodies were dumped into the Tennessee River, while others were buried in mass graves outside the city.

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In the weeks following the riot, many of the city's African-American leaders argued that the rioters did not represent the typical attitude of Knoxville's white citizens,[1] though hundreds of black residents nevertheless left the city for good. Another riot nearly occurred in 1921,[10] and flare-ups would take place sporadically for years afterward.

omaha:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_race_riot_of_1919

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The Omaha race riot occurred in Omaha, Nebraska, September 28–29, 1919. The race riot resulted in the lynching of Will Brown, a black civilian; the death of two white rioters; the injuries of many Omaha Police Department officers and civilians, including the attempted hanging of Mayor Edward Parsons Smith; and a public rampage by thousands of white rioters who set fire to the Douglas County Courthouse in downtown Omaha.

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From September 28–29, the race riot of Omaha, Nebraska erupted after a mob of over 10,000 ethnic whites from South Omaha attacked and burned the county courthouse to force the release of a black prisoner accused of raping a white woman. The mob lynched the suspect, Will Brown, hanging him and burning his body. The group then spread out, attacking black neighborhoods and stores on the north side, destroying property valued at more than a million dollars.

they even succeeded in hanging the fucking mayor, but he was rescued by police.

more detail on the lynching:

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Will Brown had been captured. A few minutes later, his lifeless body was hanging from a telephone post at Eighteenth and Harney Streets. Hundreds of revolvers and shotguns were fired at the corpse as it dangled in mid-air. Then, the rope was cut. Brown's body was tied to the rear end of an automobile. It was dragged through the streets to Seventeenth and Dodge Streets, four blocks away. The oil from red lanterns used as danger signals for street repairs was poured on the corpse. It was burned. Members of the mob hauled the charred remains through the business district for several hours.

then there was the elaine massacre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_massacre

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Still, the highest number of fatalities occurred in the rural area around Elaine, Arkansas, where an estimated 100–240 black people and five white people were killed—an event now known as the Elaine massacre.

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As news of the shooting spread an angry white mob grew and tried to lynch the three brothers. Wilmington police were able to prevent this by secreting the brothers to Philadelphia's Central police station.[4] When the mob found out the brothers were out of their reach they turned their anger on the black community. One mob of 300 whites were rampaging through the black part of town. 

that was just 1919.

here's one from ocoee florida:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocoee_massacre

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The Ocoee massacre was a white mob attack on African-American residents in northern Ocoee, Florida, which occurred on November 2, 1920, the day of the U.S. presidential election.[4] The town is in Orange County near Orlando. Most estimates total 30–35 Black people killed.[1][2][3] Most African American-owned buildings and residences in northern Ocoee were burned to the ground. Other African Americans living in southern Ocoee were later killed or driven out on threat of more violence. Ocoee essentially became an all-white town. 

who knows how many race massacres we haven't even heard of? and a key element is the ransacking and burning of black owned business and housing. just because black wall street in tulsa was prosperous doesn't mean it was all that unique. and all that success went up in clouds of smoke. it was happening all over the country.

i can recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Towns-Hidden-Dimension-American/dp/1620974347/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=sundown+towns&qid=1621982275&sr=8-1

it also sheds some light on black history in the united states.

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1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

it was more common than you might think, and it was really part of the ugly history of the post-civil war post-slavery america, and weren't limited to the south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_race_riot_of_1908

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slocum_massacre

i didn't know about this one until shortly after i found out about the tulsa massacre. right here in lovely texas in 1910.

then the red summer of 1919 happened, and it's unlikely we'll ever fully understand jhow many people were killed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer

the year started off incendiary, and just would not stop:

you had the washington dc race riot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_race_riot_of_1919

black folks actually armed up and fought back in that one.

then you had chicago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_race_riot_of_1919

knoxville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_riot_of_1919

omaha:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_race_riot_of_1919

they even succeeded in hanging the fucking mayor, but he was rescued by police.

more detail on the lynching:

then there was the elaine massacre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_massacre

wilmington:

that was just 1919.

here's one from ocoee florida:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocoee_massacre

who knows how many race massacres we haven't even heard of? and a key element is the ransacking and burning of black owned business and housing. just because black wall street in tulsa was prosperous doesn't mean it was all that unique. and all that success went up in clouds of smoke. it was happening all over the country.

i can recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Towns-Hidden-Dimension-American/dp/1620974347/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=sundown+towns&qid=1621982275&sr=8-1

it also sheds some light on black history in the united states.

I was in Orlando in April and went to the Orange County Regional History Museum. They had a pretty good exhibit on the Ocoee massacre.

 

Other Texas race injustices:

Houston Race Riot of 1917

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/houston-riot-of-1917

Brownsville 1906

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/brownsville-raid-of-1906

 

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No racism in the US.

Except that certain white men are mortified that they can't use the N-word just because they're white. 

PERSECUTION!!!

It's hell being a white Christian in this world, lemme tell ya.

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13 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Except that certain white men are mortified that they can't use the N-word just because they're white. 

PERSECUTION!!!

It's hell being a white Christian in this world, lemme tell ya.

We're getting uppity and y'all don't like it. We're supposed to know our place and not enter your space. You "feel" bullied and not able to exert your usual authority to remove us from your place. Thus, an unleashing of vitriol and violence to return America to some sort of utopia. The myth of the frontiersman and empire builder.

Once Abbott is done with CRT, he's going to ask the lege to make Horatio Alger stories required reading.

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34 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Except that certain white men are mortified that they can't use the N-word just because they're white. 

PERSECUTION!!!

It's hell being a white Christian in this world, lemme tell ya.

I mean they can, out loud if they want. Just gotta make it rhyme 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

We're getting uppity and y'all don't like it. We're supposed to know our place and not enter your space. You "feel" bullied and not able to exert your usual authority to remove us from your place. Thus, an unleashing of vitriol and violence to return America to some sort of utopia. The myth of the frontiersman and empire builder.

Once Abbott is done with CRT, he's going to ask the lege to make Horatio Alger stories required reading.

He'll straighten out all this BS about unhappy slaves, too! 

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They're having a great time! They should thank us white men!

 

Atlantic had a great article about the nostalgia for the Old South. A reporter visited a few places and, generally, did a great job. One place he visited was the Whitney Plantation in Lousiana north of New Orleans. It's dedicated to the history and lives of slaves. Many of you may know of it, but it was new to me.

A terrific sculptor has populated different places with statuary. I googled it and was quite moved. I must visit this place.

This video gives a sense of the place.

I also recommend reading the Atlantic with the melting rebel flag on the cover. two very good pieces are within.

 

 

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I guaran-fucking-tee that Republicans would like to erase all traces of this little document.
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html
DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.
The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former as one of the co-equal States thereof,
The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States.

I think someone should approach major newspapers and have them print this, in its entirety. Something about forgotten history and whitewashing. HC, AAS, DMN, FWST, and SAEN should collaborate and then run it. Then it needs to be posted on all forms of social media. Gloves off.

But you're putting words in the mouths of the glorious Southern leaders of the 1850s and 1860s - when they talked about slavery in those documents, they actually meant "states rights" and not "negro slavery", which was a typo by the way, but printing presses were expensive to run and when you made typos like "the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time" it was expensive to reprint, so they had to go with what was printed, instead of what they actually meant.

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On 5/27/2021 at 6:34 PM, RomaVicta said:

He'll straighten out all this BS about unhappy slaves, too! 

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They're having a great time! They should thank us white men!

 

Atlantic had a great article about the nostalgia for the Old South. A reporter visited a few places and, generally, did a great job. One place he visited was the Whitney Plantation in Lousiana north of New Orleans. It's dedicated to the history and lives of slaves. Many of you may know of it, but it was new to me.

A terrific sculptor has populated different places with statuary. I googled it and was quite moved. I must visit this place.

This video gives a sense of the place.

I also recommend reading the Atlantic with the melting rebel flag on the cover. two very good pieces are within.

 

 

Thanks for this.  My son and I are about to make a two week run to ATL and back, hitting Jackson, Montgomery, Selma and New Orleans along the way.   Bit multi theme with civil rights and music being the bigger items.  Any suggestions like this will be appreciated.    

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Thanks for this.  My son and I are about to make a two week run to ATL and back, hitting Jackson, Montgomery, Selma and New Orleans along the way.   Bit multi theme with civil rights and music being the bigger items.  Any suggestions like this will be appreciated.    

You've already visited Liendo Plantation here in Texas, correct? Because that is a good stop as well. When we moved here and discovered Liendo, some of the goings on in Waller, Hearne, Franklin, etc in modern times made a lot more sense. We never really leave history in the past, even if some wish to cover it up.

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Thanks for this.  My son and I are about to make a two week run to ATL and back, hitting Jackson, Montgomery, Selma and New Orleans along the way.   Bit multi theme with civil rights and music being the bigger items.  Any suggestions like this will be appreciated.    

The Natchez Trace Parkway is kind of a cool, driving zen road to take if it fits your itenerary. Somewhere along there is the place where Lewis or Clark died. The parkway runs from mid Tennesse down into Louisiana. When I took it ten years ago while driving to the Northeast, it was a lightly traveled road designed to be pleasant if not nearly breathtaking.

I'm not a Civil War buff, too sad in so many ways, but I wanted to see the cliffs of Vicksburg. My low opinion of Mississippi was lowered again. Stunning, historical location. Now? Cluttered with a couple of ugly, cheap looking casinos. I'm glad I went, but I wish I'd known in advance how the site had been ruined. 

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The Natchez Trace Parkway is kind of a cool, driving zen road to take if it fits your itenerary. Somewhere along there is the place where Lewis or Clark died. The parkway runs from mid Tennesse down into Louisiana. When I took it ten years ago while driving to the Northeast, it was a lightly traveled road designed to be pleasant if not nearly breathtaking.

The Parkway is built where an old native road was, back when 'road' meant only footpath. I thought it was cool to be traveling on a very old path there.

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Thanks for this.  My son and I are about to make a two week run to ATL and back, hitting Jackson, Montgomery, Selma and New Orleans along the way.   Bit multi theme with civil rights and music being the bigger items.  Any suggestions like this will be appreciated.    

I’m neck deep in painting some cabinets at my new place this morning.

I’ll circle back later and give you some suggestions!
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Thanks for this.  My son and I are about to make a two week run to ATL and back, hitting Jackson, Montgomery, Selma and New Orleans along the way.   Bit multi theme with civil rights and music being the bigger items.  Any suggestions like this will be appreciated.    

 

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Well, I finally figured out why Governor Abbott has gone so batshit, hard-core right-wing in the last year. 

Abbott versus Allen West, Huffhines, and Sid Miller in a four-way primary?  

Four guys, three of them to the right of Abbott?  Mathematically speaking, nobody is gonna top 50%.  

Obviously Abbott was hoping to avoid this scenario by going more to the right himself and avoiding a year of jokes about...guess what?  YEP!

Abbott to a RUN-OFF! 

this timeline has the dumbest sense of humor.  

 

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Sid Miller is so aggressively incompetent and unquestionably greedy and corrupt and so intensely stupid that there's statistically no chance that he doesn't become the Governor of Texas.

It will be delightful to watch Abbott take a sudden interest in all of the bloated tax payer abuse and personal spending that has taken place in the Ag Department.  Somehow the topic of Sid creating nine new, high paying government positions that all went to close friends and associates will instantly become problematic, even though this happened years ago. 

But it won't matter.  Sid is far too stupid.  Thus his rising political momentum in this state will be impossible to stop.  It's doubtful that Abbott can convincingly appear as stupid as Sid in such a short amount of time.  And to further complicate matters for Abbott, Sid's political aide has just been arrested for felony theft from a licensing scam.  These charges will provide Sid Miller the opportunity to mumble the phrase "deep state" and "fake news."  Abbott has another thing coming if he thinks he can be dumber than Sid Miller. 

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Sid Miller and Lt Col West are gonna do something fucky and I’m all in for it to happen. Piggybacking each other into hypothetical runoffs to replace Abbott and Patrick would be a chefs kiss.

Somebody’s gonna slip and call West something that sounds very close to the name of Roy Rogers’ horse.

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He'll straighten out all this BS about unhappy slaves, too! 

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They're having a great time! They should thank us white men!

 

Atlantic had a great article about the nostalgia for the Old South. A reporter visited a few places and, generally, did a great job. One place he visited was the Whitney Plantation in Lousiana north of New Orleans. It's dedicated to the history and lives of slaves. Many of you may know of it, but it was new to me.

A terrific sculptor has populated different places with statuary. I googled it and was quite moved. I must visit this place.

This video gives a sense of the place.

I also recommend reading the Atlantic with the melting rebel flag on the cover. two very good pieces are within.

 

 

I haven't been to the Whitney Plantation, but we did visit the Oak Alley Plantation outside of New Orleans.  Let's just say that Oak Alley seems to take a drastically different approach to their tours than the Whitney.  It was mainly a celebratory and romanticized homage to the owners, the Roman family.  I'd like to think that was based on the personality of our tour guide.  But probably not.  They book fucking weddings.  People have weddings at the Oak Alley Plantation.  White people.

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You're not related to the wedding party in the middle photo are you?  Because the males in that photo are doing a horrible disservice to the historical significance of that plantation but showing off their in-bred looks.  Good lord, they look like a glamorized version of that old funny photo of Radical Larry & his 6 associates.  The bride looks hot, dude outkicked his coverage there for sure.  Bridesmaid on her right has a milf vibe going on (appropriate because the middle aged guy back left looks like an uglier and dumber version of Jim from 'American Pie'.  Bridesmaid on left knows this is all a sin against history and nature, and her look of terror reflects that.  

Seriously the groom looks like an Aggie dropout.  

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That is some first-class, ocean-going, iron-hulled cunt shit right there.

The good news is that abomination of a voting bill failed.

So no matter what he pulls Texas won't be facing Georgia style self imposed boycotts (this year)?

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It's still going to happen because Abbott is calling a special session.

And its going to have way more attention now that the bill has actually been read, and is not trying to be passed in the middle of the night. There will be corporate pressure out the wazoo.

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And its going to have way more attention now that the bill has actually been read, and is not trying to be passed in the middle of the night. There will be corporate pressure out the wazoo.

No there won’t, or if there is it will only be lip service. Corporations love not paying taxes so there is no way they will follow through with anything. 

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