Abbott being Abbott

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

If Beto couldn't pull closer than he did, I am very skeptical that Texas is purple, much less close to blue.

 

Texas is 79% white.  Georgia is 60% white.

Texas is 13% black.  Georgia is 33% black.

Texas is 40% Hispanic/Latino.  Georgia is 10% Hispanic/Latino.  (Hispanic can be any race, hence the weird math.)

 

In short, Texas and Georgia have vastly different racial demographics, and that alone should probably drive skepticism about how close to the tipping point we are.  Of course, race is not the only driver of voting trends, but I think it helps get a read on where we stand.

While this is a good point, now try Arizona. 

[jimmyjazz 45986]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

While this is a good point, now try Arizona. 

Slightly more blanco than Texas.  Like I said, race isn't everything.  Arizona is also a really fucking weird voting block.

[bluto 4932]

I don’t know that we have a firm grasp of just where these transplants moving here fall on the political spectrum. Anecdotally I hear a lot more of right leaning folks moving here fleeing their librull commie home states.

There was polling indicators that transplants helped give cruz the edge over Beto as well.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

I don’t know that we have a firm grasp of just where these transplants moving here fall on the political spectrum. Anecdotally I hear a lot more of right leaning folks moving here fleeing their librull commie home states.

There was polling indicators that transplants helped give cruz the edge over Beto as well.

I respectfully disagree and the biggest indicator is the courts of appeals in Texas.

No one, and I mean no one, gives a shit who sits on the courts of appeals in Texas except lawyers.  Yet like everything else in Texas they are elected positions. 
 

So what that means is 99.9 percent of the population elects these judges strictly based on what party they are. That’s it. 
 

As recently as 10 years ago all of these judges that covered Dallas, Houston, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin and their surrounding counties were all republicans except for a couple in Austin.  Remember it’s not just the cities that vote for them but all the nearby surrounding counties.
 

Now, they are all democrats with a few remaining Republican holdouts who will be gone in the next election cycle. 
 

That is a major change. The rural population is shrinking too per the census. It’s inevitable at this point unless the republicans turn full apartheid. 

[jimmyjazz 45986]

I think there are multiple reasons why Texas will eventually be purplish-blue.  I just think it will take a little longer than some might expect.

[Brisketexan 105161]

I think there are multiple reasons why Texas will eventually be purplish-blue.  I just think it will take a little longer than some might expect.

Agreed. But change that to a LOT longer.

[jimmyjazz 45986]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed. But change that to a LOT longer.

Well, if the Dems can't start to secure a higher proportion of Latino/Hispanic voters, then yes.

[tx 3 putt 77122]

37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

“Texas is ready to turn blue!” is pure Lucy holding the football bullshit, and has been every time it’s been said over the past 10-12 years.

Maybe in another 10 years. Maybe. But it won’t matter, because this round of redistricting will be the most partisan gerrymander in history, and when coupled with voter suppression, will keep it all going at least another decade after that.

its Texas’s year, National Champs !!!

[Satchel 6938]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

No we won’t. Texas is a 5-8 point R state. The R candidate could be Beelzebubb Puppykiller, running on a platform and track record of kicking puppies and shitting on infants, and he would still win by 3-5 points (see, a FEW percentage points of GQP voters have a modicum of a moral compass….but not nearly enough).

As voter engagement increases, the GOP voter advantage decreases That 95% of of the moves into Texas were minorities will only serve to hasten the demographic shift in the state.

[DDD Dad 14343]

Nothing wrong with that.

This is true. Just ask my wife.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Texas is 79% white.  Georgia is 60% white.

Texas is a minority-majority state, and has been for years.

Texas picked up nearly 11 Hispanic residents for every 1 white resident over the last 10 years.

Hispanics are within half-a-point of whites (and may have already surpassed them).

• White: 39.75% of population
• Hispanic: 39.25% 
• Black: 11.82%
• Asian: 5.36%

If the Dems ever pull their heads out of their asses and take advantage of the changes, they will win.

[jimmyjazz 45986]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Texas is a minority-majority state, and has been for years.

Texas picked up nearly 11 Hispanic residents for every 1 white resident over the last 10 years.

Hispanics are within half-a-point of whites (and may have already surpassed them).

• White: 39.75% of population
• Hispanic: 39.25% 
• Black: 11.82%
• Asian: 5.36%

If the Dems ever pull their heads out of their asses and take advantage of the changes, they will win.

You should state that as White (non-Hispanic) 39.75% of population.  The census doesn't break it out that way.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I agree with this.  Nothing in Greg Abbott's past would indicate that he is a great strategic thinker.  He's purely reactionary, and his current actions are strictly looking forward a few months.

People have forgotten that 15 years ago, this was the 2006 election:

• Rick Perry with 39% of the vote
• Chris Bell with 30%
• Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander Strayhorn taking 18%
• Kinky Friedman  12.6%

Abbott was AG back then, and probably remembers it quite well.

In 2018, Abbott won 55.8% to 42.5% to a Really Shitty Candidate That Half the State Couldn't Identify the Day after the Election.

13.3 points.  This after whipping Wendy Davis by 20 just 4 years earlier.  If the Dems make up 7 points in 2018 with a shitty no-name candidate, then go ahead and knock a few more points off of Abbott's total for 2022, simply because of the demographic changes. Hell, Trump won by less than 6 points last year.

IF the Democrats ran a charismatic and competent candidate with name recognition, it could rival Trump/Biden last year in Texas.

 

Abbott is probably extremely concerned that Allen West or Don Huffines will go third-party/MAGA party.  Both are equally capable of doing it, both for similar and for different reasons.

West is desperately trying to remain a power player, and his leaving the TRP really hurt - the guy may have hit his political ceiling, and should probably be shopping around for a House seat he can win (maybe one of the new seats).  I can' t decide if he's after money or power (whynotboth.gif), but a right-wing 3rd party gubernatorial run would stock his campaign coffers for future races.  West obviously gives no shits about upsetting Republican power players either, since he shit all over some of them on his way out of the TRP, and he spent his time as TRP chief trying to destroy Abbott.

West could also threaten to run third-party in order to get something out of Republican power players in Texas.  He's got some leverage.

Huffines...Huffines seems like he has a serious grudge against Abbott.  Huffines has obviously had an axe to grind since he lost to a Democrat a few years ago, but wow, he seems to really have it in for Abbott.  He's wealthy as hell and I could seem him running third-party just to spite Abbott.  He seems to genuinely act as if all of this is personal with Abbott.

Even without a competent Dem candidate in 2022, combine demographic changes with a potential third-party/MAGA-party run by West or Huffines and Abbott will be shitting bricks.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You should state that as White (non-Hispanic) 39.75% of population.  The census doesn't break it out that way.

Would you prefer Anglo-Americans?  I'm not being sarcastic - would that be a better label?

[pyrohornIII 4816]

The Dems don't have anyone declared for governor yet.  That makes a difference.   Collier and Jaworski are campaigning hard and have been down into south Texas several times already.   Harris could have helped going there instead of El Paso.  I like both Collier & Jaworski, but they just don't have the name recognition yet.  I think they are all waiting on Beto to put his hat in the ring so they can all unite behind him.  I really can't understand why this isn't done yet.  I know there is a lot of criticism of him here, but Beto has really mobilized a lot of people and energy.   He colors outside the lines of the TDP and there's some pissing match going on, I think.

Covid fucked us too.  

One of the problems is the way the Red side fights.  Every week it's a new fire.  Collier was running on the grid debacle, and whoops, here comes voter suppression.  Then the border/immigration war.  Then Covid.  It's like you go attack one of their fires, they start fanning a different one, or start a new one.   That one guy who confessed that the R strategy was to fuck everything up and obstruct to insure nothing got done by Biden is very spot on.  That's their playbook, and when the country is now stockholmed to not trust anybody or anything, it's way easier for them.

Right now there are a lot of demonstrations going on along the border and south and west Texas in rural counties like Medina and Atascocita.  It's a very concerted effort to take what's already 80-90% Red and make it 100% or at least intimidate any Dems to not show up.  And it's working.   They know they have lost the urban centers and are now working to hold the rural area.   With gerrymandering and statewide elections, they can use the rural base to keep US senate seats, judicial seats, Gov, Lt Gov, SBOE and everything else.  Using gerrymandering they keep control of the house and senate.     It's the same argument of Wyoming vs California on a national level vis a vis the electoral college and Senate vote.

And they ride that rural vote to push voter suppression to discount urban vote.     

Any ideas on how to fight that, I'd love to hear them.

[The Dog 44066]

Abbott’s 44% approval rating says he’s in trouble if he doesn’t get his shit together.

[jimmyjazz 45986]

7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Would you prefer Anglo-Americans?  I'm not being sarcastic - would that be a better label?

I'm not the guy to answer that.  I don't care much about labels.  I pretty much call people what they ask me to call them.

I do know I've seen "non-Hispanic white" on demographic forms.  I think what your numbers show along with mine is that "white" Texas is roughly 50/50 between non-Hispanic and Hispanic (~ 40% of overall population each).  Does that seem right?

[Brisketexan 105161]

Abbott’s 44% approval rating says he’s in trouble if he doesn’t get his shit together.

A solid majority of Repubs approve him. Then, in. the general, they’ll come home, because they can’t vote for a socialist!

[Updawg 2274]

I don’t know that we have a firm grasp of just where these transplants moving here fall on the political spectrum. Anecdotally I hear a lot more of right leaning folks moving here fleeing their librull commie home states.

There was polling indicators that transplants helped give cruz the edge over Beto as well.

It’s kind of true.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

5 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not the guy to answer that.  I don't care much about labels.  I pretty much call people what they ask me to call them.

I do know I've seen "non-Hispanic white" on demographic forms.  I think what your numbers show along with mine is that "white" Texas is roughly 50/50 between non-Hispanic and Hispanic (~ 40% of overall population each).  Does that seem right?

I asked because the feds define Hispanic/Latino as an ethnicity instead of race, and so they'd lump Hispanic/Latinos in as being white.  Util the 2000 Census you would have a section asking if you were any of these races:

• White
• Black, African American, Negro
• American Indian or Alaska Native
• Asian Indian
• Chinese
• Filipino
• Japanese
• Korean
• Vietnames
• Other Asian
• Native Hawaiian
• Guamanian or Chamorro
• Samoa
• Other Pacific Islander
• "Some Other Race"

Then you would get asked this a few questions later: If this person Spanish/Hispanic/Latino?

If you said yes, you selected one of these:

• Mexican, Mexican American, Chicano
• Puerto Rican
• Cuban
• Other Spanis/Hispanic/Latino Group

They flipped it so that people were asked the Hispanic question first, because prior to that, many Hispanics were apparently just selecting "White" (since that was the closest race) and they were skipping other sections, including the ethnicity section (depending on long form vs short form).

Yes, it's roughly 50% between Whites/Hispanics, although given how close it was and how much it's changing, the birth rate and immigration will have probably moved that over in favor of Hispanics within the next year or two (if not already)(.

[The Dog 44066]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

A solid majority of Repubs approve him. Then, in. the general, they’ll come home, because they can’t vote for a socialist!

I would normally agree with you, but the kooks are mad at Abbott for the mask mandate last year. I'm wondering how many actually vote for him or stay home in 2022. 

I have never bought into the "Texas turning blue" bit either but the shift in the 'burbs is real. 

[Bookman 4639]

7 hours ago, The Dog said:

I would normally agree with you, but the kooks are mad at Abbott for the mask mandate last year. I'm wondering how many actually vote for him or stay home in 2022. 

I have never bought into the "Texas turning blue" bit either but the shift in the 'burbs is real. 

I'm a moderate who has consistently voted Republican in state elections, and I'm pretty damn sick of the far-right state government we've had for 20 years. Donald Trump getting elected pushed me over the edge. I'm 45 and this is not the Texas I grew up in.

[Brandywine 1316]

38 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I'm a moderate who has consistently voted Republican in state elections, and I'm pretty damn sick of the far-right state government we've had for 20 years. Donald Trump getting elected pushed me over the edge. I'm 45 and this is not the Texas I grew up in.

Why? You keep voting them in. Shouldn't that tell you something? I guess I'm trying to figure out where the moderate is in your statement. If you only vote Republican in state elections then did you vote for Biden nationally? I guess I'm just not familiar with any Republican moderates in Texas. They all act far-right to me. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Brandywine

[softlynow 1816]

17 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

Why? You keep voting them in. Shouldn't that tell you something? I guess I'm trying to figure out where the moderate is in your statement. If you only vote Republican in state elections then did you vote for Biden nationally? I guess I'm just not familiar with any Republican moderates in Texas. They all act far-right to me. 

I know a number of moderates. Some have told me they’d support things like M4A, comprehensive immigration reform, police demilitarization (don’t call it defunding, though, idiots), some gun control reform and even dramatic climate change policies. They also know what BS the CRT panic is really about. But they’re simply team Red. They tell Pelosi, Beto and AOC jokes, and say they could never vote Biden, though I’ve headed them call bullshit on those saying he’s mishandling the economy.

They’re my friends and I don’t care to get beyond policy to partisan prejudice. I suspect tax policy is a major factor, but I also think the team mentality is ingrained there. They’re Pubs because their friends and family are as well, and the ones that aren’t are curiosities.

Most of those I’m talking about are moderate-information voters. Cable news and niche politics websites aren’t in their regular entertainment rotation, but they’re aware of big events and trends. I think that and identity are the main factors. 

[Bookman 4639]

47 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

Why? You keep voting them in. Shouldn't that tell you something? I guess I'm trying to figure out where the moderate is in your statement. If you only vote Republican in state elections then did you vote for Biden nationally? I guess I'm just not familiar with any Republican moderates in Texas. They all act far-right to me. 

I didn't say I only voted Republican.

[TwiceHorn 31507]

1 hour ago, Brandywine said:

Why? You keep voting them in. Shouldn't that tell you something? I guess I'm trying to figure out where the moderate is in your statement. If you only vote Republican in state elections then did you vote for Biden nationally? I guess I'm just not familiar with any Republican moderates in Texas. They all act far-right to me. 

Voted, past tense.  For a long time in Texas, D or R was just a letter.  Particularly on the local level, that just changed pretty arbitrarily with the prevailing wind, but the political philosophy didn't change much, except maybe rhetoric and R-types being a tad more "pro-business" and the D-types being a little more populist.

In Texas, the "yellow dog Democrat" and the late-70s, 80s, and early 90s Republicans really weren't that different in terms of what they did and did not do for the state of Texas.

It's not like it is today and has been for a while.

[safe sex 11735]

53 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I know a number of moderates. Some have told me they’d support things like M4A, comprehensive immigration reform, police demilitarization (don’t call it defunding, though, idiots), some gun control reform and even dramatic climate change policies. They also know what BS the CRT panic is really about. But they’re simply team Red. They tell Pelosi, Beto and AOC jokes, and say they could never vote Biden, though I’ve headed them call bullshit on those saying he’s mishandling the economy.

They’re my friends and I don’t care to get beyond policy to partisan prejudice. I suspect tax policy is a major factor, but I also think the team mentality is ingrained there. They’re Pubs because their friends and family are as well, and the ones that aren’t are curiosities.

Most of those I’m talking about are moderate-information voters. Cable news and niche politics websites aren’t in their regular entertainment rotation, but they’re aware of big events and trends. I think that and identity are the main factors. 

If you say you're moderate, but your voting record shows the complete opposite, are you really a moderate?

[atomheartbevo 89735]

9 hours ago, The Dog said:

I would normally agree with you, but the kooks are mad at Abbott for the mask mandate last year. I'm wondering how many actually vote for him or stay home in 2022. 

I have never bought into the "Texas turning blue" bit either but the shift in the 'burbs is real. 

That's why I think Abbott is terrified of Huffines or West mounting a third-party/MAGA party challenge.  And either of those two is capable of doing it.  

Even if they don't hit double-digits, just peeling off 5-6 points puts the race into play for the Democrats.  And Trump isn't on the ticket, and unlike 2006, there probably wouldn't be two independents pulling votes away from both parties.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

As much of an embarrassment that Abbott is to UT, Huffines would probably take things to 11.

[tx 3 putt 77122]

Of a third party run takes away 10% of the maga base, abbott loses and he declares election fraud in houaton, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio 

[Red Six 131]

19 hours ago, bluto said:

I don’t know that we have a firm grasp of just where these transplants moving here fall on the political spectrum. Anecdotally I hear a lot more of right leaning folks moving here fleeing their librull commie home states.

There was polling indicators that transplants helped give cruz the edge over Beto as well.

Living in a fast-growing Austin suburb that is full of transplants, my anecdotal observation is that the people moving here from the West Coast, Chicago, or New York tend to be ridiculously right-wing, and they will tell you they moved to Texas because of freedom. Southerners -- Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc. -- seem to be more moderate, as do people from other parts of the Midwest, the mountain states, etc. A lot of the Texans seem to be Bush Republicans who aren't particularly liberal but also aren't crazy and some of them may have even voted for Biden without telling their parents. There's the person with the "In this house..." sign on every block, and most of them seem to be from larger Texas cities.

Long story short... the transplants are almost a wash with a centrist lean. They tend to be educated and well-to-do, which tends to favor the Dems with current national demographic trends, but with Texas Dems generally running flaming bags of dog poo statewide, the transplants aren't going to be much of factor.

[Bozo_Casanova 26495]

1 hour ago, Red Six said:

Living in a fast-growing Austin suburb that is full of transplants, my anecdotal observation is that the people moving here from the West Coast, Chicago, or New York tend to be ridiculously right-wing, and they will tell you they moved to Texas because of freedom. Southerners -- Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc. -- seem to be more moderate, as do people from other parts of the Midwest, the mountain states, etc. A lot of the Texans seem to be Bush Republicans who aren't particularly liberal but also aren't crazy and some of them may have even voted for Biden without telling their parents. There's the person with the "In this house..." sign on every block, and most of them seem to be from larger Texas cities.

Long story short... the transplants are almost a wash with a centrist lean. They tend to be educated and well-to-do, which tends to favor the Dems with current national demographic trends, but with Texas Dems generally running flaming bags of dog poo statewide, the transplants aren't going to be much of factor.

This reminds me of Jack Kent Cook (owner of the LA Kings) saying that the 300k Canadians in the greater Los Angeles area moved there because they hated hockey.

[Fudge Nuggets 19208]

22 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Texas will continue to step towards a blue state. He’s scared and can point at Georgia 2020 

Going on 25 years and people still believe this bullshit?

[tx 3 putt 77122]

13 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Going on 25 years and people still believe this bullshit?

look at the numbers the past two elections. If Ted Cruz had a 3rd party running, Beto is the jr Senator from Texas 

[hornmpa96 2619]

How do we get a MAGA third party candidate to run?

[Js1 85439]

15 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

How do we get a MAGA third party candidate to run?

Do what the GOP does - pay them to run.  Use your operatives to get signatures, pay their filing fees, etc 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Js1

[hornmpa96 2619]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Do what the GOP does - pay them to run.  Use your operatives to get signatures, pay their filing fees, etc 

Then let’s go - I can put in tree fiddy 

[atomheartbevo 89735]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Of a third party run takes away 10% of the maga base, abbott loses and he declares election fraud in houaton, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio 

That would be fun.  I'd be willing to bet that Abbott has pissed off 10% of the MAGA base easily, but I don't know what that translates into for the general election.

14 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

How do we get a MAGA third party candidate to run?

Set up websites/Facebook pages, etc.   Make sure and tell your MAGA acquaintances that Abbot and the Texas GOP are just pretending to like Trump, and point out that non-MAGA Republican candidates have won in Texas this year against MAGA loyalists who had Trump's backing, and that the MAGA loyalists lost because Abbott and the Texas GOP made sure of it.

Make sure they hear about everything that Huffines and West are tweeting out, especially Huffines.

Tell them that MAGA is just like the Tea Party, and just like the Tea Party, the GOP has a plan for pulling them into the fold and watering down their message.  Tell them that's why West had to step down as the TRP chief, because the non-MAGA Republicans didn't like him stirring up the TRP with MAGA talk.

[atomheartbevo 89735]

And the thing is, there doesn't even have to be a MAGA candidate running as third-party - just piss off enough MAGA types at Abbott that they sit out the general, or don't vote for him, to send a message to the mainstream GOP that they are mad as hell and not putting up with the GOP's bullshit anymore.

Make sure the MAGA types hear about this:

 

[atomheartbevo 89735]

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

This shit ain’t hard.  We pay @RDCanecutter to move to Texas, get him on the ballot as an independent, and have him tour the state saying “Abbott is a liberal pussy who made you wear a mask.  That fucker even got the shot.”  You could probably pull 20% of the state without ever taking a position on anything else.

[gmr548 16580]

Living in a fast-growing Austin suburb that is full of transplants, my anecdotal observation is that the people moving here from the West Coast, Chicago, or New York tend to be ridiculously right-wing, and they will tell you they moved to Texas because of freedom. Southerners -- Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, etc. -- seem to be more moderate, as do people from other parts of the Midwest, the mountain states, etc. A lot of the Texans seem to be Bush Republicans who aren't particularly liberal but also aren't crazy and some of them may have even voted for Biden without telling their parents. There's the person with the "In this house..." sign on every block, and most of them seem to be from larger Texas cities.
Long story short... the transplants are almost a wash with a centrist lean. They tend to be educated and well-to-do, which tends to favor the Dems with current national demographic trends, but with Texas Dems generally running flaming bags of dog poo statewide, the transplants aren't going to be much of factor.

FWIW, exit polling showed Beto beat Cruz among native Texans, transplants put Cruz over the top. Now, in 2021 transplants are a huge chunk of the electorate so I don’t want that to seem like the stupid “Without California and New York Trump won the popular vote!” arguments, but it does support the idea that out of state transplants aren’t a huge net Dem gain as many seem to just assume they are

[atomheartbevo 89735]

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/13/judge-extends-order-blocking-abbotts-directive-on-migrant-transports/

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A federal judge in El Paso on Friday extended her order blocking Gov. Greg Abbott’s directive to state troopers to pull over drivers transporting migrants “who pose a risk of carrying COVID-19.”

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone lengthened her restraining order by another two weeks after a hearing Friday, according to a court filing. Her original order on Aug. 3 was set to expire Friday.

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In the lawsuit, the DOJ said Abbott’s order would disrupt federal immigration officials’ network of contractors and nongovernmental organizations that help host recently arrived migrants while their legal cases are pending.

A spokesperson for Abbott didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Abbott has previously defended his order as necessary to help prevent the spread of COVID-19 in Texas. Advocates for migrants say it would disrupt federal immigration efforts and encourage state troopers to racially profile people.

So schools can't mandate masks to keep it from spreading in the classrooms among kids who are too young to be vaccinated, but Abbott wanted DPS troopers to pull over cars here and there that may be carrying illegals.

[C-Man 27234]

FWIW, exit polling showed Beto beat Cruz among native Texans, transplants put Cruz over the top. Now, in 2021 transplants are a huge chunk of the electorate so I don’t want that to seem like the stupid “Without California and New York Trump won the popular vote!” arguments, but it does support the idea that out of state transplants aren’t a huge net Dem gain as many seem to just assume they are

Correct, many moving to Texas are doing so because they align politically more with Abbott and Patrick and Cruz.

[C-Man 27234]

This shit ain’t hard.  We pay [mention=281]RDCanecutter[/mention] to move to Texas, get him on the ballot as an independent, and have him tour the state saying “Abbott is a liberal pussy who made you wear a mask.  That fucker even got the shot.”  You could probably pull 20% of the state without ever taking a position on anything else.

Add in ‘bortion and you could win!

[bluto 4932]

Correct, many moving to Texas are doing so because they align politically more with Abbott and Patrick and Cruz.

Combine this with trump/maga sinking claws into Hispanic vote on immigration and o&g. Or maybe not maga sinking claws as much as Dems just not getting it.

[RDCanecutter 26454]

1 hour ago, conVINCEd said:

This shit ain’t hard.  We pay @RDCanecutter to move to Texas, get him on the ballot as an independent, and have him tour the state saying “Abbott is a liberal pussy who made you wear a mask.  That fucker even got the shot.”  You could probably pull 20% of the state without ever taking a position on anything else.

We've already established that I'm a prostitute. Now we're just haggling about the price.

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

8 hours ago, softlynow said:

I know a number of moderates. Some have told me they’d support things like M4A, comprehensive immigration reform, police demilitarization (don’t call it defunding, though, idiots), some gun control reform and even dramatic climate change policies. They also know what BS the CRT panic is really about. But they’re simply team Red. They tell Pelosi, Beto and AOC jokes, and say they could never vote Biden, though I’ve headed them call bullshit on those saying he’s mishandling the economy.

They’re my friends and I don’t care to get beyond policy to partisan prejudice. I suspect tax policy is a major factor, but I also think the team mentality is ingrained there. They’re Pubs because their friends and family are as well, and the ones that aren’t are curiosities.

Most of those I’m talking about are moderate-information voters. Cable news and niche politics websites aren’t in their regular entertainment rotation, but they’re aware of big events and trends. I think that and identity are the main factors. 

Sorry, but they're not moderates then..... Talking and acting are totally different things.  They act like Conservative Republicans and act as such as the ballot box.  Espousing intellectual support for some moderate or even liberal policies yet doing everything you can with your actions to stop those policies is just being hypocritical, not moderate.  Not slamming you, I have many friends who say the same.... I'm a moderate.  After 10 minutes talking, they understand they're conservative, but they're not going to change.

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Going on 25 years and people still believe this bullshit?

Voting patterns bear it out..... Probably 8 years away.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Patrick Bateman

[HenryJames 66133]

 

[softlynow 1816]

9 hours ago, trauma babe said:

If you say you're moderate, but your voting record shows the complete opposite, are you really a moderate?

 

2 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Sorry, but they're not moderates then..... Talking and acting are totally different things.  They act like Conservative Republicans and act as such as the ballot box.  Espousing intellectual support for some moderate or even liberal policies yet doing everything you can with your actions to stop those policies is just being hypocritical, not moderate.  Not slamming you, I have many friends who say the same.... I'm a moderate.  After 10 minutes talking, they understand they're conservative, but they're not going to change.

Voting patterns bear it out..... Probably 8 years away.

I didn’t say swing voter, I said moderate. Y’all are confusing terms. It may offend your sensibilities that they’re not gettable votes, but that’s just the way it goes.