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3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

And those teachers - don’t need a degree, zero accreditations, work for low wages, and no worries about benefits / teachers retirement fund / teachers Union 

They don't even have to be in the same state (or same country, let's not kid ourselves, the schools that will be started up to take advantage of this will farm it out to the lowest bidder if they can).

 

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2 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So the amounts I've heard are something like $7K. 

I'm not sure the point of giving something like $1,500 for example. Seems like that wouldn't really do anything for a voucher to make a dent. Now as a parent, you want to give me $1,500, great. I'm not changing a kid's school due to it.

I honestly don't get the entire voucher system. The most obvious thing in the world is that the cost of a $12,000 a year school is going to become $19,000 a year in short order.

This is exactly what happened in Arkansas.

This has ZERO to do with school choice. It has everything to do with making good education even more unattainable to underprivileged groups in the state of Texas (psst, the browns and the blacks, oh and the poors).

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2 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So the amounts I've heard are something like $7K. 

I'm not sure the point of giving something like $1,500 for example. Seems like that wouldn't really do anything for a voucher to make a dent. Now as a parent, you want to give me $1,500, great. I'm not changing a kid's school due to it.

I honestly don't get the entire voucher system. The most obvious thing in the world is that the cost of a $12,000 a year school is going to become $19,000 a year in short order.

I perfectly understand that the pro-voucher side wants a full share of the ISD's tax revenue at the per-capita level but why should they get that? They should get the marginal cost of 1 student being in the classroom which is going to be extremely low. I doubt it hits $1,500 and more likely $100. 

 

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32 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They don't even have to be in the same state (or same country, let's not kid ourselves, the schools that will be started up to take advantage of this will farm it out to the lowest bidder if they can).

 


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29 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This is exactly what happened in Arkansas.

This has ZERO to do with school choice. It has everything to do with making good education even more unattainable to underprivileged groups in the state of Texas (psst, the browns and the blacks, oh and the poors).

And about keeping the poor communities down (they won't benefit from this) because that's where MAGA likes to draw from.  All of this red state/blue state crap is bullshit - it's all rural vs urban.

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I perfectly understand that the pro-voucher side wants a full share of the ISD's tax revenue at the per-capita level but why should they get that? They should get the marginal cost of 1 student being in the classroom which is going to be extremely low. I doubt it hits $1,500 and more likely $100. 
 

They shouldn’t get shit.

School taxes are for the benefit of the community as a whole. The childless pay in. The elderly pay in. Property owning businesses pay in. Everyone benefits from what strong schools create…lower crime rates, better employment opportunities, better civic engagement, etc. A benefit of this community investment is that you get to attend schools for free. Whether you take advantage of that or not is your own personal decision but don’t think that you get to siphon off money from that community investment for your decision.
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They shouldn’t get shit.

School taxes are for the benefit of the community as a whole. The childless pay in. The elderly pay in. Property owning businesses pay in. Everyone benefits from what strong schools create…lower crime rates, better employment opportunities, better civic engagement, etc. A benefit of this community investment is that you get to attend schools for free. Whether you take advantage of that or not is your own personal decision but don’t think that you get to siphon off money from that community investment for your decision.

Yep, this whole situation has me wondering how the old people are going to react when Abbott finally rams through a voucher program.  "Why don't I get a property tax rebate?  I don't have kids in public schools!" 

"It's Joe Biden's fault, of course!"

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They shouldn’t get shit.

School taxes are for the benefit of the community as a whole. The childless pay in. The elderly pay in. Property owning businesses pay in. Everyone benefits from what strong schools create…lower crime rates, better employment opportunities, better civic engagement, etc. A benefit of this community investment is that you get to attend schools for free. Whether you take advantage of that or not is your own personal decision but don’t think that you get to siphon off money from that community investment for your decision.

Because we've spent decades, and have now succeeded, on killing the concept of the common good.  There's zero "we," only "me."  Why should I pay taxes, MY kids aren't n public school??  We don't just ignore the massive benefit to society as a whole that comes from having an educated population, we attack and denigrate that concept as communist libtard socialism Soros woke Antifa Let's Go Brandon.

We're undermining the very floor beneath us all, it's so fucking stupid, and all we do is double and triple down on the strategy.  As a society, we're all-in on "Fuck Around."  The "Find Out" is going to be fucking horrible.

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A lot of people who back vouchers think that the money is the only thing keeping Johnny or Suzy out of a good private school without realizing that private schools aren't required to accept their kids.  My wife briefly taught at a private school.  Only a certain type of student was accepted, and the only people included in that type enjoyed a certain amount of wealth.  Many students whose families can afford the tuition to that school are turned away because their families do not fit that type.  Just because they have vouchers won't automatically mean that their kids get a decent education.

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Texas paid a private company $75.5 million in taxpayer funds over the span of a year to transport migrants to sanctuary cities across the U.S.

https://abc13.com/texas-bus-migrants-bussing-to-other-cities-wynne-transportation-sanctuary/13889625/

"Governor Abbott launched the border bus mission in April 2022 to provide support to our overrun and overwhelmed border communities as the Biden Administration dumps thousands of migrants in their towns. Texas has since bused over 54,000 migrants to self-declared sanctuary cities, providing much-needed relief. In recent weeks, border officials and NGOs in border communities have requested additional support to respond to the unprecedented surges enticed by President (Joe) Biden's reckless open border policies. Until President Biden steps up and does his job to secure the border, Texas will continue busing migrants to sanctuary cities to help our local partners respond to this Biden-made crisis."

Migrants have been transported to Washington, D.C., New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver, and Los Angeles, according to a news release from Abbott's office.

 

Let's do that math. $75.5M / 54k migrants = $1399 per migrant. That's a non-first class round trip plane class ticket to most anywhere in the world. FUCK THIS STATE!

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27 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Let's do that math. $75.5M / 54k migrants = $1399 per migrant. That's a non-first class round trip plane class ticket to most anywhere in the world. FUCK THIS STATE!

I showed that math on surly many months ago, but compared the cost to the cost on Greyhound + per diem for meals.  It's grift, pure and simple.

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I showed that math on surly many months ago, but compared the cost to the cost on Greyhound + per diem for meals.  It's grift, pure and simple.

Oh fuck yea. In the guise of publicity stunts to raise the fear in their fucking dumb as fuck voter base, they are freely giving out taxpayer money to their buddies and whomever will give them the most money under the table. It's fucking sad that their voters are stupid fucking lemmings who overlook everything as long as their team leaders do shit to hate on immigrants and LBGTQ.

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Seriously when I think of Republican voters, I think of the stupidest fucking people on Earth, people who haven't read a book without pictures since 8th grade, people who would take it up the ass with a hot cattle prod if their idiot religious leader on the pulpit said it's what Jesus would want.

edit: When I think of Republican voters in this state, I think of aggy: backwards redneck, fake christian, racist idiots.

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Seriously when I think of Republican voters, I think of the stupidest fucking people on Earth, people who haven't read a book without pictures since 8th grade, people who would take it up the ass with a hot cattle prod if their idiot religious leader on the pulpit said it's what Jesus would want.

edit: When I think of Republican voters in this state, I think of aggy: backwards redneck, fake christian, racist idiots.

In addition to being stupid and being led around by people like MTG and Boebert and Gaetz, they are also the biggest fucking snowflakes.

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15 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Texas taxpayers have spend a reported $10 billion on border security, yet encounters are at multi-year highs. What are we getting for our money, Gov. Abbott?

This is what we are getting - pissing away even more of our tax dollars to make his rich buddies even richer, and potshots at UT football

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/abbott-urges-school-choice-supporters-to-not-be-like-ut-football-in-final-push/

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Gov. Greg Abbott said supporters of school choice are close to their goal at the Capitol. But Thursday night, he urged backers to avoid mimicking the Texas Longhorns in the final push for the legislation. 

Abbott spoke at Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) 2023 Parent Empowerment Leadership Summit dinner, about an hour after the Texas Senate gave preliminary approval to a bill to allow parents to use public funds to pay for private education.

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“We are on the one-yard line, a good place to be,” Abbott said. Abbott referenced Texas football’s play calling in Texas’s 34-30 loss to Oklahoma in last week’s Red River Rivalry. He referenced UT’s lack of success at the one-yard line as a metaphor to illustrate the current risk, even with success seeming close.

“UT took four downs from the one-yard line, and — because of strategies, decision making, and maybe execution — they could not get it from the one-yard line across the goal line,” Abbott said.

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Abbott illustrated that the cards are in place, as the Senate has passed Senate Bill 1. Senate Bill 1 would allocate $500 million toward the creation of an education savings account program.

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The funding comes from Texas’ general revenue and would be available for eligible Pre-K through 12th-grade, school-aged children. Families of eligible students would receive $8,000 each year that they are enrolled in the program in an account. In order to qualify, they must have attended public school within the last year or are about to enter pre-K or kindergarten for the first time.

The next obstacle is the bill getting passed in the House, where it has faced resistance in past sessions. The opposition includes most Democratic state legislators, but also some rural Republicans who worry funds could be stripped from some rural districts that do not have private alternatives.

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Emphasizing that that he and his supporters will not play like Texas football, Abbott claimed that school choice will become a reality soon.

“We are going to choose plays that will get us across that goal line,” Abbott said. “We’re going to score.”

 

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is what we are getting - pissing away even more of our tax dollars to make his rich buddies even richer, and potshots at UT football

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/abbott-urges-school-choice-supporters-to-not-be-like-ut-football-in-final-push/

 

God damn, what a fucking asshole.

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I scrolled thru this thread but couldn’t find the answer. What is the truly “legitimate” reason republicans say they want vouchers? Because the obvious reason is so that their rich constituents will vote for them. I can’t see any other good reason for this. 

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I scrolled thru this thread but couldn’t find the answer. What is the truly “legitimate” reason republicans say they want vouchers? Because the obvious reason is so that their rich constituents will vote for them. I can’t see any other good reason for this. 

Because they want to defund public schools, and push money to the lobbyists that want to make money off charter schools. In bang for their buck, private schools will raise tuition so vouchers won’t cover it, and then the poors are left with even further defunded, poorer quality public schools. Poors particularly meaning minorities. 
 

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, added bonus of keeping the populace dumb and easier to control. 

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5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I scrolled thru this thread but couldn’t find the answer. What is the truly “legitimate” reason republicans say they want vouchers? Because the obvious reason is so that their rich constituents will vote for them. I can’t see any other good reason for this. 

So White, Evangelical Conservatives don't have to send their kids to a school that will teach them real history, that might make them feel bad about themselves. Or tell their kids it's okay to be gay or trans. And also what SydneyCarton said. 

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19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Because they want to defund public schools, and push money to the lobbyists that want to make money off charter schools. In bang for their buck, private schools will raise tuition so vouchers won’t cover it, and then the poors are left with even further defunded, poorer quality public schools. Poors particularly meaning minorities. 
 

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat, added bonus of keeping the populace dumb and easier to control. 

I don’t think it’s tinfoil hat at all. If the GOP has proven anything it’s that they’re up for the long game. 

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3 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I can’t see one possible good reason for vouchers. It’s a welfare giveaway for rich people. 

They want to use voucher money to pay for school programs taught by conservative entities like PraegerU so they can funnel that money back to their billionaire donors who founded it. 

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On 10/1/2023 at 2:26 PM, Chad Fuck said:


Being from a rural bumfuck town myself, that I frequently revisit, I concur with this statement.

Rural folks may not understand or care about global or even national politics. But they understand very well where the money for the schools comes from and where it goes. That’s often the most prominent institution in town. They know they’re not getting a new press box or PA system for the Friday night game if someone takes their voucher to some private school an hour away.

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I can’t see one possible good reason for vouchers. It’s a welfare giveaway for rich people. 

You just answered your own question. 
 
rich people don’t give a fuck and hate subsidizing poors. Those motherfuckers have boot straps, don’t they?


mr bigs point is also good. Many want their tax dollars to go to a fundamentalist Christian education. Just because it’s baffling to you doesn’t mean it’s not the reason. I don’t get the hatred for homosexuals, yet look at the world around us. 

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Texas paid a private company $75.5 million in taxpayer funds over the span of a year to transport migrants to sanctuary cities across the U.S.
https://abc13.com/texas-bus-migrants-bussing-to-other-cities-wynne-transportation-sanctuary/13889625/
"Governor Abbott launched the border bus mission in April 2022 to provide support to our overrun and overwhelmed border communities as the Biden Administration dumps thousands of migrants in their towns. Texas has since bused over 54,000 migrants to self-declared sanctuary cities, providing much-needed relief. In recent weeks, border officials and NGOs in border communities have requested additional support to respond to the unprecedented surges enticed by President (Joe) Biden's reckless open border policies. Until President Biden steps up and does his job to secure the border, Texas will continue busing migrants to sanctuary cities to help our local partners respond to this Biden-made crisis."
Migrants have been transported to Washington, D.C., New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver, and Los Angeles, according to a news release from Abbott's office.
 
Let's do that math. $75.5M / 54k migrants = $1399 per migrant. That's a non-first class round trip plane class ticket to most anywhere in the world. FUCK THIS STATE!
Not so CSB... I have a student from Colombia (6th grader... 11 years old). He and father made it from Colombia to El Paso. Goal was Austin where aunt is living. In EP they were put on a bus and sent to New York. Made it back to Texas, Austin, and now my classroom. I don't know his current immigrant status (not my business really), but I know that this whole stunt had multiple real costs with absolutely zero benefits.
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