Abbott being Abbott

[Dnaguy 11921]

Texas Governor Pardons Daniel Perry in 2020 Black Lives Matter Protest Shooting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

Texas Governor Pardons Man in Fatal Shooting of Protester in 2020

The man, Daniel S. Perry, was convicted of killing a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Austin.

 

Daniel S. Perry was convicted last year of killing Garrett Foster at a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020.Credit...Jay Janner/American-Statesman, via USA Today Network

Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas on Thursday pardoned a man who was convicted of fatally shooting a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in the summer of 2020, fulfilling a promise he made last year amid pressure from conservatives.

The decision immediately followed a pardon recommendation from the state’s Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members are appointed by the governor. Lawyers for the man, Daniel S. Perry, argued that he had acted in self-defense against the protester, who was carrying an AK-47-style rifle.

Mr. Perry was sentenced to 25 years in prison in an emotional hearing last year in which prosecutors presented evidence of racist online comments he had made and said that psychological experts had found him to be “basically a loaded gun.” As the pardons board considered the case, lawyers with the Travis County district attorney, José Garza, met with the board to argue against a pardon.

Under Texas law, a recommendation from the board is necessary before the governor can grant a pardon.

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“Texas has one of the strongest ‘stand your ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive district attorney,” Mr. Abbott, a Republican, said in a statement on Thursday. “I thank the board for its thorough investigation, and I approve their pardon recommendation.”

A lawyer for the family of the protester, Garrett Foster, a 28-year-old former mechanic in the U.S. Air Force, was critical of the governor’s decision.

“The governor of the great state of Texas has turned the rule of law on its head,” said the lawyer, Quentin Brogdon, who represented Mr. Foster’s mother, Sheila, in a civil action related to her son’s killing that she stopped pursuing after Mr. Perry’s conviction. “It’s a fair question to ask whether the governor is doing this based on the merits of the case or based on the politics.”

Read the Texas Governor’s Pardon

Gov. Greg Abbott pardoned a man who was convicted of fatally shooting a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in the summer of 2020, fulfilling a promise he made last year amid pressure from conservatives.

Read Document 3 pages

The case landed at the intersection of some of the most contentious issues facing the nation, including the protests over the killing of George Floyd, the proliferation of military-style rifles in the hands of civilians, and the legal rights of those who choose to stand their ground and open fire, rather than retreat, when they perceive themselves to be under threat.

 

Mr. Perry was an active-duty U.S. Army sergeant on the night of July 25, 2020, when he was working as an Uber driver in downtown Austin and drove toward a crowd of demonstrators.

It was there that a group of people that included Mr. Foster approached Mr. Perry’s car. Mr. Foster wore a bandanna on his face and carried an AK-47-style rifle on a strap in front of him. Mr. Perry’s lawyers said Mr. Foster had begun pointing his weapon and it was then that Mr. Perry opened fire.

During the trial, prosecutors showed evidence before the shooting of Mr. Perry’s animosity toward protesters on social media.

The jury reviewed video of the July 25 confrontation during their deliberations, according to an alternate juror, and considered the self-defense argument. But jurors ultimately voted to convict.

Lawyers for Mr. Perry had asked for a new trial, saying that information had been improperly introduced into the deliberations by at least one juror. But the judge in the case, Cliff Brown of the 147th Criminal District Court in Travis County, ruled that those actions did not undermine the verdict.

The governor used his official pardon proclamation to attack the district attorney, writing that Mr. Garza had not sought to see justice done but instead “demonstrated unethical and biased misuse of his office in prosecuting Daniel Scott Perry.”

“District Attorney Garza directed the lead detective investigating Daniel Scott Perry to withhold exculpatory evidence from the grand jury considering whether to report an indictment,” Mr. Abbott wrote.

An Austin police detective who had worked on the case accused Mr. Garza of withholding evidence that could have helped Mr. Perry.

Mr. Garza, a Democrat, is currently facing a proceeding that could remove him from office under a new law signed by the governor aimed at limiting the discretion of local prosecutors.

In a statement, Mr. Garza said that the governor and the pardons board had “made a mockery of our legal system” and that they “should be ashamed of themselves.”

 

“They have sent a message to Garrett Foster’s family, to his partner and to our community that his life does not matter,” Mr. Garza wrote. “They have sent the message that the service of the Travis County community members who served on the grand jury and trial jury does not matter.”

The governor’s pardon of Mr. Perry contrasted with his stance after the pardons board recommended a posthumous pardon for Mr. Floyd, who was killed by a police officer in Minneapolis in 2020 and had a minor drug conviction while living in Houston.

The governor took no action in Mr. Floyd’s case, and months later the board rescinded its recommendation.

His decision to pardon Mr. Perry lands in the midst of a new round of national unrest, this time on college campuses in opposition to Israel’s actions in the Gaza war. In Texas, Mr. Abbott has forcefully denounced the pro-Palestinian protesters who tried to take over a campus at the state’s flagship university campus in Austin and sent in state police officers to make arrests.

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Wait, when did protestors at UT try to take over the campus?? Is that just NYT laziness trying to conflate all the protests at universities? 

Also, I thought the trial court rejected the officer's claim that Garza tried to get a detective to withhold exculpatory evidence?  But then Abbott gets to state it as fact? wtf? I know, I know Brisket

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[Hammerin Hank 1225]

I won’t be surprised if this guy ends up killing someone else. He was already looking for a reason, and now he’ll feel even more empowered 

[wildcat09 29348]

1 minute ago, Hammerin Hank said:

I won’t be surprised if this guy ends up killing someone else. He was already looking for a reason, and now he’ll feel even more empowered 

Hopefully someone else gets him first.

[Gap03 3304]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Hopefully someone else gets him first.

I mean, it should be pretty easy to establish self-defense when dealing with ol' Quick Draw given his history.

[HenryJames 66038]

Extra judicial murder is ok as long as it’s not a conservative who gets killed. 

And if the judicial system somehow fails and convicts, elected officials will then intervene.

[Dnaguy 11921]

I don't believe in Hell, but I want. The idea of Abbott and Texas republicans being able to be like they are and pay no penance is kind of hard to take.

And I know Abbott is just fulfilling his end of his deal with the devil that he bargained while under that oak tree.

But is there really an equivalence of suffering in hell that equates to the level of evil they enact to the # of people they enact it to for the duration they've enacted it on?

 

[Satchel 6935]

54 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Texas Governor Pardons Daniel Perry in 2020 Black Lives Matter Protest Shooting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

Texas Governor Pardons Man in Fatal Shooting of Protester in 2020

The man, Daniel S. Perry, was convicted of killing a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Austin.

 

Daniel S. Perry was convicted last year of killing Garrett Foster at a Black Lives Matter protest in 2020.Credit...Jay Janner/American-Statesman, via USA Today Network

Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas on Thursday pardoned a man who was convicted of fatally shooting a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in the summer of 2020, fulfilling a promise he made last year amid pressure from conservatives.

The decision immediately followed a pardon recommendation from the state’s Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members are appointed by the governor. Lawyers for the man, Daniel S. Perry, argued that he had acted in self-defense against the protester, who was carrying an AK-47-style rifle.

Mr. Perry was sentenced to 25 years in prison in an emotional hearing last year in which prosecutors presented evidence of racist online comments he had made and said that psychological experts had found him to be “basically a loaded gun.” As the pardons board considered the case, lawyers with the Travis County district attorney, José Garza, met with the board to argue against a pardon.

Under Texas law, a recommendation from the board is necessary before the governor can grant a pardon.

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“Texas has one of the strongest ‘stand your ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive district attorney,” Mr. Abbott, a Republican, said in a statement on Thursday. “I thank the board for its thorough investigation, and I approve their pardon recommendation.”

A lawyer for the family of the protester, Garrett Foster, a 28-year-old former mechanic in the U.S. Air Force, was critical of the governor’s decision.

“The governor of the great state of Texas has turned the rule of law on its head,” said the lawyer, Quentin Brogdon, who represented Mr. Foster’s mother, Sheila, in a civil action related to her son’s killing that she stopped pursuing after Mr. Perry’s conviction. “It’s a fair question to ask whether the governor is doing this based on the merits of the case or based on the politics.”

Read the Texas Governor’s Pardon

Gov. Greg Abbott pardoned a man who was convicted of fatally shooting a protester during a Black Lives Matter demonstration in the summer of 2020, fulfilling a promise he made last year amid pressure from conservatives.

Read Document 3 pages

The case landed at the intersection of some of the most contentious issues facing the nation, including the protests over the killing of George Floyd, the proliferation of military-style rifles in the hands of civilians, and the legal rights of those who choose to stand their ground and open fire, rather than retreat, when they perceive themselves to be under threat.

 

Mr. Perry was an active-duty U.S. Army sergeant on the night of July 25, 2020, when he was working as an Uber driver in downtown Austin and drove toward a crowd of demonstrators.

It was there that a group of people that included Mr. Foster approached Mr. Perry’s car. Mr. Foster wore a bandanna on his face and carried an AK-47-style rifle on a strap in front of him. Mr. Perry’s lawyers said Mr. Foster had begun pointing his weapon and it was then that Mr. Perry opened fire.

During the trial, prosecutors showed evidence before the shooting of Mr. Perry’s animosity toward protesters on social media.

The jury reviewed video of the July 25 confrontation during their deliberations, according to an alternate juror, and considered the self-defense argument. But jurors ultimately voted to convict.

Lawyers for Mr. Perry had asked for a new trial, saying that information had been improperly introduced into the deliberations by at least one juror. But the judge in the case, Cliff Brown of the 147th Criminal District Court in Travis County, ruled that those actions did not undermine the verdict.

The governor used his official pardon proclamation to attack the district attorney, writing that Mr. Garza had not sought to see justice done but instead “demonstrated unethical and biased misuse of his office in prosecuting Daniel Scott Perry.”

“District Attorney Garza directed the lead detective investigating Daniel Scott Perry to withhold exculpatory evidence from the grand jury considering whether to report an indictment,” Mr. Abbott wrote.

An Austin police detective who had worked on the case accused Mr. Garza of withholding evidence that could have helped Mr. Perry.

Mr. Garza, a Democrat, is currently facing a proceeding that could remove him from office under a new law signed by the governor aimed at limiting the discretion of local prosecutors.

In a statement, Mr. Garza said that the governor and the pardons board had “made a mockery of our legal system” and that they “should be ashamed of themselves.”

 

“They have sent a message to Garrett Foster’s family, to his partner and to our community that his life does not matter,” Mr. Garza wrote. “They have sent the message that the service of the Travis County community members who served on the grand jury and trial jury does not matter.”

The governor’s pardon of Mr. Perry contrasted with his stance after the pardons board recommended a posthumous pardon for Mr. Floyd, who was killed by a police officer in Minneapolis in 2020 and had a minor drug conviction while living in Houston.

The governor took no action in Mr. Floyd’s case, and months later the board rescinded its recommendation.

His decision to pardon Mr. Perry lands in the midst of a new round of national unrest, this time on college campuses in opposition to Israel’s actions in the Gaza war. In Texas, Mr. Abbott has forcefully denounced the pro-Palestinian protesters who tried to take over a campus at the state’s flagship university campus in Austin and sent in state police officers to make arrests.

Again, this is why the Magalitia don’t want you to understand what CRT really is.

[Brisketexan 105083]

13 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Extra judicial murder is ok as long as it’s not a conservative who gets killed. 

And if the judicial system somehow fails and convicts, elected officials will then intervene.

It's not much more complicated than this.  Politically motivated/favorable murder is now legal in Texas.....so long as it's on the side of the right team.

The answer to the question of "does the law in Texas, as a practical matter, protect anyone who is not among the regime's favored classes?" is a plain and simple "NO."  If the regime wants you dead, all that needs to happen is 1) someone acting on behalf of he regime kills you, and 2) if the killer somehow ends up being convicted of killing you, then the regime gives him a full pardon.  The regime can now murder anyone it wishes, with no consequences.

You live in that state.  A state where the regime can - and demonstrably WILL - protect its chosen from the consequences of extrajudicial killings.  Which likewise means that those who are not favored by the regime have no legal protection against suffering extrajudicial murder at the hands of the regime/its actors.  That's a thing.  That is true.  Of a state within this country.  What a timeline.

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58 minutes ago, Hammerin Hank said:

I won’t be surprised if this guy ends up killing someone else. He was already looking for a reason, and now he’ll feel even more empowered 

This state is a fucking joke. 

[Brisketexan 105083]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This state is a fucking joke. 

Not really.

Jokes should be funny.

The fact that we have completed our journey to become a full-on fascist state where the state can allow you to be murdered if it pleases the regime isn't funny.  This shit stopped being funny a good while back.  It's full-on dystopian now.

And what makes it even worse is that the fucking idiots who keep voting for this 1) think that they will continue to be part of the "favored class," so why should they worry?....when 2) they are too dumb to read the REST of the history books on regimes like these, which contain the pages where the regime eventually turns on and kills its own.

Once you have decided the regime should be allowed to have whoever it wants killed, then the only question as to the regime coming for you/someone you care about is one of timing.

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Lesson: if you commit a crime that MAGA approves of/kill someone who MAGA would like to kill, you get off scot-free.  Full pardon, as if nothing ever happened.

The guy he killed was a white guy, who was legally carrying, who was a military veteran.  But he was in a protest that MAGA doesn't like, so he should die.

[Brisketexan 105083]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

The guy he killed was a white guy, who was legally carrying, who was a military veteran.  But he was in a protest that MAGA doesn't like, so he should die.

Bingo.  To MAGA, there is no difference between a n---er and a n---er-lover.  They both deserve to be perforated for defying the MAGA way.

The dumbest thing is all those Republicans who think they are MAGA, but they're really just idiots who are waiting for the day that the top MAGAs declare them RINOs who are insufficiently MAGA, so those apostates need to die.  It's like these fucking idiots can't even thumb through the "authoritarian states for dummies" handbook.

[pyrohornIII 4814]

The way Abbott keeps upping the game with each new action being a little bolder and fascist than the last is apparently their plan to normalize their shit.  Same with Trump and his lies.  For some reason if he can tell a larger whopper today, then the slightly smaller one he told yesterday doesn't seem so bad and is just accepted.  Abbott said it best when he said, "It could have been worse."  Just sums up the whole thing.  We begin to accept the crap they say and do, because each day they prove that indeed 'it could be worse.'   It's like with Hitler and his gradual taking of territories and countries in Europe.  Everyone knows it could be worse, but do we rise up against him and bring it to a head now, or do we give him what he wants now and hope he's happy with it?  We have been Chamberlains for too long now, we are going to need a Churchill for keeping our democracy.   

At first, I thought it had to do with his need for attention, as it is in Trump's case.  But there is a thing in people that needs to dominate over others however they can.  It makes them feel superior and they find places like churches, KKK, Rotary clubs, whatever to share their ideals and actions.  The internet just made finding and joining these kinds of groups easier, and took them nationwide, if not globally.  

I don't know how to counter that, and maybe I am seeing it wrong, but deep in all this I can't help but suspect the hands and money of a very elite group of monied people are inventing these groups and stirring a certain side up with hate rhetoric.  Whether that money is American or Russian or possibly both, it would be difficult to prove.    They are doing exactly what they accuse of Soros.  Every accusation is an admission, right?

I don't have the answers, sometimes I just write things out to try to see if it makes sense to anyone else, and maybe someone has some ideas on how to combat all this shit.  

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13578]

I asked responsible gun rights advocate Johnny Sack for a decision tree that all Americans must memorize and recall for when deadly force is lawful in the Rittenhouse acquittal thread that he was obviously heavily invested in. Of course, that went unanswered.

Calvinball

 

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6 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

 It's like with Hitler and his gradual taking of territories and countries in Europe.  Everyone knows it could be worse, but do we rise up against him and bring it to a head now, or do we give him what he wants now and hope he's happy with it?  We have been Chamberlains for too long now, we are going to need a Churchill for keeping our democracy.   

There's also an aspect of people hoping that somebody else will take care of it - ye olde "Somebody Else's Problem" (SEP), to quote the great Douglas Adams:

An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.

The Somebody Else's Problem field... relies on people's natural predisposition not to see anything they don't want to, weren't expecting, or can't explain. If Effrafax had painted the mountain pink and erected a cheap and simple Somebody Else’s Problem field on it, then people would have walked past the mountain, round it, even over it, and simply never have noticed that the thing was there.

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9 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

At first, I thought it had to do with his need for attention, as it is in Trump's case.  But there is a thing in people that needs to dominate over others however they can.  It makes them feel superior and they find places like churches, KKK, Rotary clubs, whatever to share their ideals and actions.  The internet just made finding and joining these kinds of groups easier, and took them nationwide, if not globally.  

I still to this day can't tell if it's because Abbott has hit his ceiling (he's been Texas's Attorney General as well as a Texas Supreme Court Justice) and he is trying desperately to get Daddy Trump's attention.

Or if it's because he's angry at the world for his accident in the 1980s.  He's definitely full of a lot of hate and doesn't hide it at all.  The fact that he worked to ensure that people who had accidents like his couldn't benefit financially like he did is very telling (and he refused to return any of the millions that he's collected).

9 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I don't know how to counter that, and maybe I am seeing it wrong, but deep in all this I can't help but suspect the hands and money of a very elite group of monied people are inventing these groups and stirring a certain side up with hate rhetoric.  Whether that money is American or Russian or possibly both, it would be difficult to prove.    They are doing exactly what they accuse of Soros.  Every accusation is an admission, right?

Absolutely there is a lot of money/groups who are inventing these problems.   Abbott went hog wild with the voucher shit when a Pennsylvania billionaire threw millions at him to get vouchers.  We somehow went all this time without vouchers, but a Pennsylvania billionaire throws millions at Abbott and all of the sudden the need for vouchers is as serious as the fentanyl or border problems.

And it's extremely easy and cheap to generate problems that don't exist for solutions that will make a lot of money - thanks to the internet and massive bot nets, you can get whatever you need to trend on social media, trending quickly, and you are getting constant near-realtime data about what is and isn't working, and so the bot campaign can be tweaked on the fly.

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Or if it's because he's angry at the world for his accident in the 1980s.

He might be filled with hate over the tree taking him out, but it's still an irrational mindset that belies sociopathy.  It was a fucking tree limb.  You drew the short straw, Wheels.

[atomheartbevo 89630]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

He might be filled with hate over the tree taking him out, but it's still an irrational mindset that belies sociopathy.  It was a fucking tree limb.  You drew the short straw, Wheels.

If he's miserable, then by God he'll make a lot of other people miserable.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13578]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If he's miserable, then by God he'll make a lot of other people miserable.

MAGA summed up. And grievance addicts will never be happy. It's a backwards race to see who reaches the bottom last.

[Brisketexan 105083]

The way Abbott keeps upping the game with each new action being a little bolder and fascist than the last is apparently their plan to normalize their shit.  Same with Trump and his lies.  For some reason if he can tell a larger whopper today, then the slightly smaller one he told yesterday doesn't seem so bad and is just accepted.  Abbott said it best when he said, "It could have been worse."  Just sums up the whole thing.  We begin to accept the crap they say and do, because each day they prove that indeed 'it could be worse.'   It's like with Hitler and his gradual taking of territories and countries in Europe.  Everyone knows it could be worse, but do we rise up against him and bring it to a head now, or do we give him what he wants now and hope he's happy with it?  We have been Chamberlains for too long now, we are going to need a Churchill for keeping our democracy.   
At first, I thought it had to do with his need for attention, as it is in Trump's case.  But there is a thing in people that needs to dominate over others however they can.  It makes them feel superior and they find places like churches, KKK, Rotary clubs, whatever to share their ideals and actions.  The internet just made finding and joining these kinds of groups easier, and took them nationwide, if not globally.  
I don't know how to counter that, and maybe I am seeing it wrong, but deep in all this I can't help but suspect the hands and money of a very elite group of monied people are inventing these groups and stirring a certain side up with hate rhetoric.  Whether that money is American or Russian or possibly both, it would be difficult to prove.    They are doing exactly what they accuse of Soros.  Every accusation is an admission, right?
I don't have the answers, sometimes I just write things out to try to see if it makes sense to anyone else, and maybe someone has some ideas on how to combat all this shit.  
 

You combat it with violence. That’s how these things end.
When one side insists on inflicting and normalizing violence (and that’s EXACTLY what this pardon does: it says that violence in furtherance of the regime’s favored causes is ok), then eventually…violence becomes fully normalized as the means to accomplish…everything.
This is how they want it. It’s a stupid thing to want, they will end up being just as victimized by it as those they currently hate, but they’ve chosen it. Once that path is committed - and trust me, we are fully committed to it - then it ends in blood. A lot of it.
I’m just hoping that I can finish making my money and GTFO before it gets me or one of mine. But I sure as shit don’t want either of my kids ever to come back here.

[bolverk 29659]

Those antisemite weirdo students at UT protesting in support of Hamas got off fucking easy.

Next time... 

[Brisketexan 105083]

Those antisemite weirdo students at UT protesting in support of Hamas got off fucking easy.
Next time... 

Correct. The die has been cast, the precedent has been firmly established. Kill for the regime, be protected and rewarded.

[Paul Wesley 3278]

This state already had law enforcement who was willing to look the other way when dozens of trucks with Trump flags surrounded and harassed a bus carrying Democratic campaign staffers.  
 

We also have counties where Republican election officials have resigned purely for fear of being assassinated by these yahoos in their own party.  
 

Now we’re signing off on *murder*!!!!!  How crazy is that?   I mean, we had an impartial jury of TEXANS and witnesses and a trial….   And it’s not like there’s some new DNA evidence or a whistleblower reporting prosecutorial misconduct… it’s just, “we’re gonna let the convicted murderer out because we like his politics.”

… And he’s free to go to Cabelas tomorrow and buy a fucking assault rifle.  
 

Lunacy.  

[brakeman 28359]

[F250 28766]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Extra judicial murder is ok as long as it’s not a conservative who gets killed. 

And if the judicial system somehow fails and convicts, elected officials will then intervene.

Which leads to the oppressed carrying out retaliation once they know they don't have equal protection under the law.

Look at the Troubles in N. Ireland to see how this can turn into a cycle of escalating violence.

The state has a monopoly on violence for a reason. Remove that and everyone has their own reason to initiate violence.

[Brisketexan 105083]

Which leads to the oppressed carrying out retaliation once they know they don't have equal protection under the law.
Look at the Troubles in N. Ireland to see how this can turn into a cycle of escalating violence.
The state has a monopoly on violence for a reason. Remove that and everyone has their own reason to initiate violence.

Bingo. It’s why this path isn’t just homicidal, it’s suicidal. Which makes it breathtakingly stupid, but we are SO committed to “breathtakingly stupid” we might as well stamp it on our coinage.

[fattyflattie 4639]

4 hours ago, Hammerin Hank said:

I won’t be surprised if this guy ends up killing someone else. He was already looking for a reason, and now he’ll feel even more empowered 

He was pardoned, not out on bond. 

[jimmyjazz 45893]

24 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

He was pardoned, not out on bond. 

Meaning?

[Shut up Lou Holtz 2026]

30 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

He was pardoned, not out on bond. 

So a murdering racist piece of shit is cool if pardoned but not out on bond? He murdered a vet who was legally open carrying. 

[bolverk 29659]

1 hour ago, Paul Wesley said:

Now we’re signing off on *murder*!!!!!  How crazy is that?   I mean, we had an impartial jury of TEXANS and witnesses and a trial….

Travis County residents don't count as REAL Texans.

 

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Which leads to the oppressed carrying out retaliation once they know they don't have equal protection under the law.

Look at the Troubles in N. Ireland to see how this can turn into a cycle of escalating violence.

The state has a monopoly on violence for a reason. Remove that and everyone has their own reason to initiate violence.

This also applies to a certain place in the Middle East. See this post here.

[yoladu 4092]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/us/daniel-perry-texas-pardon-recommendation/index.html

from the article..

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Abbott’s decision comes after the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles voted unanimously Thursday to recommend a full pardon and the restoration of firearm rights for Perry.

and then his own defense argues..

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For the defense, Greg Hupp, a forensic psychologist who examined Perry twice in 2023, testified during his sentencing he diagnosed him with complex post-traumatic stress disorder and autism spectrum disorder.

by all means, get his guy his gun rights back, stat!

[F250 28766]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Travis County residents don't count as REAL Texans.

 

This also applies to a certain place in the Middle East. See this post here.

Now you did it. That aggy 956 is going come in here wearing overalls talking into a mic while doing the knee thrust and elbow thingie while yelling

"Palestinians are not people! Whoop!"

 

[fattyflattie 4639]

24 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Meaning?

18 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

So a murdering racist piece of shit is cool if pardoned but not out on bond? He murdered a vet who was legally open carrying. 

Apologies, I often forget many on this board don’t live in Houston where a significant amount of violent crimes are committed by people out on laughably low bonds. Most recently, the UT alum attorney and friend to many here who was killed last week.  

[Helobious 9451]

36 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Apologies, I often forget many on this board don’t live in Houston where a significant amount of violent crimes are committed by people out on laughably low bonds. Most recently, the UT alum attorney and friend to many here who was killed last week.  

He’s arguing self-defense, as after the argument had spilled outside the attorney did push him to the ground. Let’s see if “stand your ground” applies the same way.

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 minute ago, Helobious said:

He’s arguing self-defense, as after the argument had spilled outside the attorney did push him to the ground. Let’s see if “stand your ground” applies the same way.

Yes, where one would typically immediately flee the scene and go on the lam. I’m sure it’ll work out great for him. 

[Hammerin Hank 1225]

9 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

He was pardoned, not out on bond. 

This is just an incredibly stupid post. Even by your standards this is dumb. Do you know the difference between convicted and charged? This man was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law by jury of his peers. Do you believe in the idea of innocent until proven guilty? It’s a core principle of this country’s legal system. Maybe you would prefer Russia

[fattyflattie 4639]

43 minutes ago, Hammerin Hank said:

Maybe you would prefer Russia

I would prefer dickheads out of bail to not be out playing real life GTA on our streets. Apparently tongue in cheek comments are too much for you to handle.  Sorry wheels hurt your feels. 

[Hammerin Hank 1225]

56 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I would prefer dickheads out of bail to not be out playing real life GTA on our streets. Apparently tongue in cheek comments are too much for you to handle.  Sorry wheels hurt your feels. 

And yet you have no issue with an actual convicted murderer being out on our streets. It’s interesting that you bring up GTA. This dude drove his car into a crowd of people and then shot one of them. That’s real life GTA

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

I've been thinking about this for the last 24 hours.  It's really gotten under my skin. This really does represent a new low.  

How many murders happen in our state every year?  Over 2000.  Clearance rate? 70%.  How many pardons for those 1400 people? 1, as far as I can tell.

Two guys meet on the street.  Both armed.  One shoots the other.  Justified? Murder? Who knows?  A 12 person jury is the way you determine that.  And they determined that here.  Abbott said this is the single one the jury got wrong.  I PROMISE you the political beliefs of the victim played into this decision.

Abbott doesn't know this guy from Adam.  He just knows that the state will smile on him for eliminating someone associated with a political belief that is out of favor.

[fattyflattie 4639]

11 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I PROMISE you the political beliefs of the victim played into this decision.

 

Unlike the political beliefs of the perp during his trial, right? 

[wildcat09 29348]

Fuck you, fatty.

[4th&Five 41519]

They should at least castrate this pedo before releasing him. 

[Gap03 3304]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Unlike the political beliefs of the perp during his trial, right? 

"Political beliefs"? 

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“I might go to Dallas to shoot looters,” he texted one friend. “I might have to kill a few people on my way to work they are rioting outside my apartment complex,” he wrote to another. “No protesters go near me or my car.”

Fuck ALL the way off with that bullshit.

[4th&Five 41519]

6 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Unlike the political beliefs of the perp during his trial, right? 

At least you admit white supremacy is a political belief of your party. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Unlike the political beliefs of the perp during his trial, right? 

I don't want to engage in message board bullshit on something this important.  Do you have something you'd like to share?  Was there some finding that the jury did that?  

[wildcat09 29348]

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I don't want to engage in message board bullshit on something this important.  Do you have something you'd like to share?  Was there some finding that the jury did that?  

Fatty thinks its wrong to convict a conservative for murdering liberals. Even a conservative pedophile, though perhaps I'm being redundant.  Because he thinks it is good for people like him to kill people like us. 

[yoladu 4092]

16 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Fatty thinks its wrong to convict a conservative for murdering liberals. Even a conservative pedophile, though perhaps I'm being redundant.  Because he thinks it is good for people like him to kill people like us. 

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3460774

[DigglerontheHoof 21183]

4 minutes ago, yoladu said:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3460774

Brain-dead morons.  Fatty, you need to go join your fellow cultists at aggy; they share your lack of character and intelligence. 

[jimmyjazz 45893]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I would prefer dickheads out of bail to not be out playing real life GTA on our streets. Apparently tongue in cheek comments are too much for you to handle.  Sorry wheels hurt your feels. 

WTF does that have to do with this particular case?  Do you not support the rule of law?

Don't answer that.