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13 hours ago, Born to Run said:

I got into fights with a whole rainbow coalition of folks so I realize there are assholes of every race, especially drunk girls from Laos. The will scratch your fucking face off.

Is that something I would have to pay extra for? Sorry, not me, I meant a friend of mine.

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On 4/8/2023 at 6:13 PM, Ghost of LL said:

We are getting progressively closer to civil war with this. What Abbott is saying with this is that political murder is ok if you’re on Team Red.

But that can go both ways. All it takes is the DA announcing that he may not prosecute anyone who shoots a Republican officeholder in Travis County, and it’s game fucking on. 
 

And frankly, anybody shooting Abbott would have a better claim of self-defense than Daniel Perry. Between his handling of Covid, the ongoing catastrophe that is DFPS, his insistence that criminals and lunatics have as many guns as they can carry, and his prevention of people getting the healthcare they need, Abbott has killed more Texans than Santa Anna.

Abbott is basically confirming his position: black lives don't matter.

 

(yes, i know the victim was white, but he was participating in a BLM rally. Abbott is saying with his actions that the deceased, his life, literally didn't matter.)

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13 minutes ago, yoladu said:

Abbott is basically confirming his position: black lives don't matter.

If the shooter had been black and had killed a white BLM protester, Tucker Carlson would have never used his show to order Abbott to pardon a freshly convicted black man. 

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Terribly ironic that the two people who pushed Abbott to the edge are Huffines and DeSantis, two guys if on another's shoulder's in a trench-coat would still be barely taller than Abbott.  He could have stayed the course, been a man of decency, and been the first disabled President elected to lead a Global Superpower.  Instead, he'll leave behind a legacy of cruelty and disrepair, waiting on a cabinet appointment that will never come.  Ever.  

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10 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Terribly ironic that the two people who pushed Abbott to the edge are Huffines and DeSantis, two guys if on another's shoulder's in a trench-coat would still be barely taller than Abbott.  He could have stayed the course, been a man of decency, and been the first disabled President elected to lead a Global Superpower.  Instead, he'll leave behind a legacy of cruelty and disrepair, waiting on a cabinet appointment that will never come.  Ever.  

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He wasn't elected in a wheelchair, he just ended up in one.  Abbott could have been the first elected person to the head of state of a global superpower as a disabled person.  That's not his identity, it's just something about him.  But he could have been a trailblazer.  He is a smart motherfucker.  Could have been a reasonably moderate Republican from a major state and worked with Democrats to achieve great things.  He was a compassionate man who cared about others, I know most of y'all don't believe that but I do.  But something broke him a few years ago and he's never going back.  And he'll sit in the Governor's Mansion as long as he can and pout and wonder why the country didn't fall in love with him.  And he'll take it out on us.  

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FDR was definitely elected after his polio-induced paralysis, tho i guess the general public wasnt really aware of it. Basically Greg doesn't deserve that distinction either imo

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31 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Terribly ironic that the two people who pushed Abbott to the edge are Huffines and DeSantis, two guys if on another's shoulder's in a trench-coat would still be barely taller than Abbott.  He could have stayed the course, been a man of decency, and been the first disabled President elected to lead a Global Superpower.  Instead, he'll leave behind a legacy of cruelty and disrepair, waiting on a cabinet appointment that will never come.  Ever.  

Vincent Adultman for Governor!

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

He wasn't elected in a wheelchair, he just ended up in one.  Abbott could have been the first elected person to the head of state of a global superpower as a disabled person.  That's not his identity, it's just something about him.  But he could have been a trailblazer.  He is a smart motherfucker.  Could have been a reasonably moderate Republican from a major state and worked with Democrats to achieve great things.  He was a compassionate man who cared about others, I know most of y'all don't believe that but I do.  But something broke him a few years ago and he's never going back.  And he'll sit in the Governor's Mansion as long as he can and pout and wonder why the country didn't fall in love with him.  And he'll take it out on us.  

I remember a tree breaking him a few years ago.

I also remember him suing and winning money as a result of that suit because the tree broke him, and then voting to make sure others who got broken by trees couldn't do the same thing.  So yeah, I'm not ready to call him compassionate or agree that he cared about others.

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well certainly not any more.  ONe thing's for sure, sadly.  He's gonna take out his tantrum of "What coulda been" on the most vulnerable Texans for another six years.  

Worry about people who hate others.  But be absolutely terrified of the people that hate themselves.  He knows he fucked up his big chance and he'll be chasing "what if" until his dying day.  Most Governors term out or fade into obscurity running a charity or university.  But not our last two all-stars.  They wanna take everything down with 'em.  I'll give Perry credit, he's mostly shut the fuck up and hung out in the shadows.  

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10 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

I remember a tree breaking him a few years ago.

I also remember him suing and winning money as a result of that suit because the tree broke him, and then voting to make sure others who got broken by trees couldn't do the same thing.  So yeah, I'm not ready to call him compassionate or agree that he cared about others.

And after he helped make sure others broken by trees couldn't do the same thing, he kept on collecting a paycheck from the tree breaking him, all the way up until today.

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I remember a tree breaking him a few years ago.

I also remember him suing and winning money as a result of that suit because the tree broke him, and then voting to make sure others who got broken by trees couldn't do the same thing.  So yeah, I'm not ready to call him compassionate or agree that he cared about others.


that’s the definition of a horrible human being / piece of shit 

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I disagree with the prevailing notion in this thread that Abbott was somehow pushed to the edge by ascension of Trump and Desantis. He rolled willfully and voluntarily to that edge. Are we still the only red state that has not expanded Medicaid?

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Didn’t sit on jury, so will never know the facts. I know as soon as the articles on his wife came out, the shooter was going down. I’m inclined to agree with the poster above that when the crowd is parting for the guy with the AK, and he shows up at your window in low ready, I can understand the shooter believing it’s go time.  There’s several ways to carry to intentionally show minimal threat, low ready in your face isn’t one. In all honesty, I couldn’t give less of a fuck if I tried.  If shooter is pardoned (which I was absolutely floored Abbott suggested, I suppose he is racing meatball Ron after all ) he will be crushed in the civil.  So he’s trading pound me in the ass prison for giving ZJs to support the aggressors wife into perpetuity.  I’d like to know what happened to the guy who fired back into the car as well.   But no, I’m not real big on any pardons. 

All of this is pretty reasonable, except all of the talk about the pain inflicted by the civil case against Perry. Victim’s family likely won’t get shit, since Perry is probably judgment proof AF.
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All of this is pretty reasonable, except all of the talk about the pain inflicted by the civil case against Perry. Victim’s family likely won’t get shit, since Perry is probably judgment proof AF.

Yeah I would have to defer to you or other lawyers on that. Why would he be judgement proof? 

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6 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Terribly ironic that the two people who pushed Abbott to the edge are Huffines and DeSantis, two guys if on another's shoulder's in a trench-coat would still be barely taller than Abbott.  He could have stayed the course, been a man of decency, and been the first disabled President elected to lead a Global Superpower.  Instead, he'll leave behind a legacy of cruelty and disrepair, waiting on a cabinet appointment that will never come.  Ever.  

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He's going to be Ritternhouse on Steroids once he gets that pardon, and the Go Fund Me money will come rolling in, so it's absurd to suggest that he's judgement proof.

Sadly, that's a good point. I was thinking about him as he stands now and not the next GQP gun idol.

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People with no assets are judgement proof.

I thought they could get a portion of what little you do have, similar to child support or IRS. Garnished wages.  
 

I’m assuming judgment proof meaning it’s not currently a windfall. I was reading it as actually being judgment proof from the pardon, etc. in some legal sense that I clearly am not an expert on.  

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Charlie Sykes had a nice piece on the Abbott pardon this morning.  I hadn't seen all of the details summarized like this before. If this is all accurate, it's fucking astonishing that he's considering going down this path.  You'd think that the open carry cos-players that like to hang out at protests with AR-15s would understand how this could all play out ("he could have shot me in less than a second and he seemed so angry, I just had to gun him down first!"), but then again, I guess we all understand that this only works in one direction.  Infuriating.

 

Greg Abbott's Jury Nullification - by Charlie Sykes (thebulwark.com)

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I am a bit late to this story because, I have to admit, part of me thought: surely, this cannot be as mind-bendingly awful as it sounds.

But it is.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott appears determined to pardon Daniel Perry, who was just convicted of murdering BLM protester Garrett Foster.

And so begins another chapter in our political devolution.

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“The jury’s verdict was both reasonable and consistent with Texas law,” writes Radley Balko, but the “entire horrific incident is now firmly enmeshed in the culture war.” As usual, Fox News has seized on the case with a torrent of misinformation, and Abbott has seized on the murder as an opportunity for tossing more bloody red meat to the base.

I suppose we could think of it as the Kyle Rittenhouse Effect, but this case is much worse.

The day the jury unanimously convicted Perry, Abbott declared on Twitter: “Texas has one of the strongest ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive District Attorney.”

Nick Catoggio notes that Abbott makes “no specific allegation of misconduct. The closest Abbott gets is accusing the jury and local district attorney of having ‘nullified’ the state’s ‘stand your ground law, which smells suspiciously like code for ‘reached a verdict that offends my political prejudices.’ ”

Either Abbott is suggesting that Perry’s account of what happened is so compelling that it should override the considered judgment of the D.A., a grand jury, and a trial jury—which is unlikely—or he means to signal that anyone who kills a left-wing activist in Texas should and will be excused provided there’s a fig leaf of self-defense.

And, indeed, that seems to be exactly what Abbott is signaling.

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Radley Balko breaks down what we know about the case:

— According to multiple witnesses, Perry ran a red light, then accelerated directly toward a group of protesters. He could easily have driven around the protest. He did not.

— According to multiple witnesses, Perry’s car nearly struck Foster’s fiancée Whitney Mitchell and the man who was pushing her wheelchair. (Mitchell is a quadruple amputee. Not related, but also awful — year later, an Austin police officer would dump her from her wheelchair during a protest.)

— According to multiple witnesses, protesters then surrounded Perry’s car, some of them kicking or slapping at the outside of it. Foster stood next to the car, holding his rifle. Multiple witnesses say Foster never pointed his rifle at Perry, though it’s worth noting that these witnesses were protesters, and thus hostile to Perry. The only photo of the incident is ambiguous.

— Perry himself initially said Foster never pointed the rifle at him. During his police interrogation, Perry said, “I believe he was going to aim at me. I didn’t want to give him a chance to aim at me.” If someone is holding a rifle in your general vicinity, but not pointing it at you, you do not have legal cover to kill them.

— According to multiple witnesses, Foster also gestured for Perry to move on. He also instructed Perry to stay in his car to avoid any further confrontation. Neither is consistent with someone who presented an immediate threat to kill or harm Perry.

— Despite claims from right wing personalities, Foster never fired his gun.

— Even if Foster had pointed his gun at Perry, he would not have been in violation of Texas law. Based on Perry’s actions — running a red light toward a group of protesters — Foster had good reason to believe that Perry was attempting to harm Foster and those around him. He had the right to use lethal force to defend himself and others.

— At Perry’s trial, a defense expert testified that Foster could have raised his rifle and shot Perry in well less than a second. This is irrelevant. Texas is an open carry state. Anyone openly carrying a rifle could, in theory, point, aim, and kill someone in a fraction of a second. If what Foster did justifies lethal self-defense, you could plausibly argue the same about anyone carrying a rifle in public, particularly at a protest, or at any tense situation where there’s the possibility of conflict.

The court record is filled with details about Perry’s possible motivation. “There is ample evidence,” writes Balko, “that Perry intended to harm the protesters.”

— In one Facebook comment responding to a post about protesters in another state, Perry wrote, “send them to Texas. We will show them why we say don’t mess with Texas.”

— A friend of Perry’s also testified that a month before the incident, Perry had texted him to ask about other incidents in which someone had shot at protesters, and inquired if those shootings were legal.

— In the weeks leading up to the incident, Perry had conducted internet searches on the phrases “protest tonight”, “protesters in Seattle gets shot,” “riot shootouts,” and “protests in Dallas live.”

— After that latter search, Perry texted to a friend, “I might go to Dallas to shoot looters.”

— Among the other messages and comments he had recently sent or left online: “I might have to kill a few people on my way to work they are rioting outside my apartment complex,” and “No protesters go near me or my car.”

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But in the right-wing media ecosystem, it is Foster who is being demonized, while his murderer is lionized. Writes Balko: “You only valorize Garrett Foster’s killer if you’ve convinced yourself that Foster deserved to die….

If Abbott and the Texas pardon board want to free Perry and clear his record, they have the power to do it. But we ought to be clear about why they’re doing it. This isn’t about the rule of law. It’s the rule of ideology, enforced with violence.

Balko’s analysis here is scorching:

For all the degeneracy on the political right in the Trump era, this is what I find most alarming—the dehumanizing of political opponents to the point where violence isn’t merely justifiable, it’s almost a moral imperative.

Their opponents aren’t just wrong, they’re criminal.

People accused of crimes aren’t just presumed guilty, they deserve to be abused by police. Immigrants aren’t just crossing the border illegally, they’re mostly rapists and criminals.

Protesters aren’t merely misguided, they should be flattened by big-ass trucks.

Exit take: This is how a cold civil war becomes a hot one.

 

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12 hours ago, Satchel said:

I disagree with the prevailing notion in this thread that Abbott was somehow pushed to the edge by ascension of Trump and Desantis. He rolled willfully and voluntarily to that edge. Are we still the only red state that has not expanded Medicaid?

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11 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I thought they could get a portion of what little you do have, similar to child support or IRS. Garnished wages.  
 

I’m assuming judgment proof meaning it’s not currently a windfall. I was reading it as actually being judgment proof from the pardon, etc. in some legal sense that I clearly am not an expert on.  

Can't garnish wages in Texas for a simple civil judgment, but once those wages are deposited in a bank they could be subject to collection if the amount falls outside of the Property Code's exemptions.  Property Code and Texas Constitution provide exemptions from execution on your homestead property as well as a significant amount of personal property.

But basically, unless you have a bunch of assets it's not worth the effort to chase.

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That summary seems to clarify why the verdict came back as "guilty".  At the very least, Foster had as much right to self-defense as Perry did, but Abbott is intentionally ignorning this fact, in part because he knows his base is mostly a bunch of stupid people.

I shudder to think what is going to happen should he actually pull this off.

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Critical race theory holds in part that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.

At first I didn’t understand why Abbott and his acolytes were so opposed to the teaching of CRT on any level in Texas. Now I understand it’s because they wanted us to see what it looks like when applied to real life legal issues like the those involving Perry.

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