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19 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

You show yourself to be an actual leader and you do what's right, and you dare the Trumpkins to vote (D) or stay home , and dare them to let the Communist Socialists Marxist Atheist Muslims win.

You do that, and you get some moderates/fence sitters to come back into the (R) fold, which is what you will need to win in Texas in the future.

Of course, plenty of Trumpkins will say "fuck you" and stay home or vote (D) out of spite, but shit, plenty of Trumpkins weren't that politically engaged prior to 2016, so you roll the dice that the people who were not crazy and who kept electing (R)s in Texas will continue to do so.

 

the bolded is the answer. Everything else is just words.

You do what's right. Isn't that what we teach our kids?

 

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22 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's weird how Abbott has lost all sense of political savvy that he had.

 

I don't understand where this myth of Greg Abbott being a savvy operator comes from.

His electoral career isn't that impressive.  He got appointed to the Texas Supreme Court by Bush and then ran for AG because . . . well, he was on the Supreme Court, has grey hair, and kind of looks like a guy who might oughta be AG.  And then he ran for governor against one of the worst possible candidates the Dems could put up.

He's never had to win a real primary challenge.  And he's never had to run any kind of competent campaign.  He raises money like a motherfucker, but he never really has had to spend it.

And having gotten elected, his legislative record isn't particularly impressive.  What major piece of legislation has Greg Abbott championed that actually made its way into law?  Abbott is most notable for sitting there during an entire session and then vetoing shit that had broad bipartisan support, leaving everyone scratching their heads asking "what the fuck".  He's never outmaneuvered anybody in the Lege (he's usually getting outmaneuvered by Dan Patrick, of all fucking people).

Seriously--I just don't know from where this myth of Greg Abbott comes.

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3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I don't understand where this myth of Greg Abbott being a savvy operator comes from.

His electoral career isn't that impressive.  He got appointed to the Texas Supreme Court by Bush and then ran for AG because . . . well, he was on the Supreme Court, has grey hair, and kind of looks like a guy who might oughta be AG.  And then he ran for governor against one of the worst possible candidates the Dems could put up.

He's never had to win a real primary challenge.  And he's never had to run any kind of competent campaign.  He raises money like a motherfucker, but he never really has had to spend it.

And having gotten elected, his legislative record isn't particularly impressive.  What major piece of legislation has Greg Abbott championed that actually made its way into law?  Abbott is most notable for sitting there during an entire session and then vetoing shit that had broad bipartisan support, leaving everyone scratching their heads asking "what the fuck".  He's never outmaneuvered anybody in the Lege (he's usually getting outmaneuvered by Dan Patrick, of all fucking people).

Seriously--I just don't know from where this myth of Greg Abbott comes.

Exactly. He has Dave Carney. That’s it.

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I don't understand where this myth of Greg Abbott being a savvy operator comes from.
His electoral career isn't that impressive.  He got appointed to the Texas Supreme Court by Bush and then ran for AG because . . . well, he was on the Supreme Court, has grey hair, and kind of looks like a guy who might oughta be AG.  And then he ran for governor against one of the worst possible candidates the Dems could put up.
He's never had to win a real primary challenge.  And he's never had to run any kind of competent campaign.  He raises money like a motherfucker, but he never really has had to spend it.
And having gotten elected, his legislative record isn't particularly impressive.  What major piece of legislation has Greg Abbott championed that actually made its way into law?  Abbott is most notable for sitting there during an entire session and then vetoing shit that had broad bipartisan support, leaving everyone scratching their heads asking "what the fuck".  He's never outmaneuvered anybody in the Lege (he's usually getting outmaneuvered by Dan Patrick, of all fucking people).
Seriously--I just don't know from where this myth of Greg Abbott comes.

Isn’t this every Texas governor
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Isn’t this every Texas governor

I would argue Ann Richards did a few things but of course she was only governor in the first place because Clayton Williams couldn’t stop telling rape jokes in front of reporters, and therefore she was promptly beaten in the next election by shrub, who was not nearly as bad as governor than as president but that’s only because lieutenant governor Bob Bullock ran the state back then anyway. 

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Isn’t this every Texas governor

No.  

From an electoral standpoint, having one party run the state and that party clearing the path for one guy to win the governorship is a pretty recent phenomenon.  I mean, this has typically been a one-party state.  The gubernatorial elections were really only two-party contests for a short time from the late-1970s to 1990.  But there was usually a pretty seriously contested primary.  

From a legislative standpoint, Abbott is really weird.  Bush and Richards would go down there and have set priorities.  They'd usually get them passed.  Perry was less able to get his priorities passed, but at least he let the Lege know what he would veto so that they didn't waste their time.  Abbott just does stupid shit like not telling anyone that he's going to veto a bill until it's on his desk.

We can talk all day about it being a weak office and whatever.  But Abbott is just incompetent in a way his predecessors have generally not been.

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From a legislative standpoint, Abbott is really weird.  Bush and Richards would go down there and have set priorities.  They'd usually get them passed.  Perry was less able to get his priorities passed, but at least he let the Lege know what he would veto so that they didn't waste their time.  Abbott just does stupid shit like not telling anyone that he's going to veto a bill until it's on his desk.

Abbott is going off of whatever tweet or poll that he just read.  

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

No.  

From an electoral standpoint, having one party run the state and that party clearing the path for one guy to win the governorship is a pretty recent phenomenon.  I mean, this has typically been a one-party state.  The gubernatorial elections were really only two-party contests for a short time from the late-1970s to 1990.  But there was usually a pretty seriously contested primary.  

From a legislative standpoint, Abbott is really weird.  Bush and Richards would go down there and have set priorities.  They'd usually get them passed.  Perry was less able to get his priorities passed, but at least he let the Lege know what he would veto so that they didn't waste their time.  Abbott just does stupid shit like not telling anyone that he's going to veto a bill until it's on his desk.

We can talk all day about it being a weak office and whatever.  But Abbott is just incompetent in a way his predecessors have generally not been.

Yeah like vetoing stuff with broad bipartisan support, like don't leave your dog tied up out in the hot fucking sun all day. He's just an absolutely loathsome cunt with no guiding principles other than performative governance to keep his stranglehold on power. 

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No.  
From an electoral standpoint, having one party run the state and that party clearing the path for one guy to win the governorship is a pretty recent phenomenon.  I mean, this has typically been a one-party state.  The gubernatorial elections were really only two-party contests for a short time from the late-1970s to 1990.  But there was usually a pretty seriously contested primary.  
From a legislative standpoint, Abbott is really weird.  Bush and Richards would go down there and have set priorities.  They'd usually get them passed.  Perry was less able to get his priorities passed, but at least he let the Lege know what he would veto so that they didn't waste their time.  Abbott just does stupid shit like not telling anyone that he's going to veto a bill until it's on his desk.
We can talk all day about it being a weak office and whatever.  But Abbott is just incompetent in a way his predecessors have generally not been.
Weak office until he and his under felony indictment AG and the what's the difference between procedural and substantive Texas supreme court decide he can run the state by fiat.
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250,000 each month?  3 million per year?  So two years of Biden policy before he takes office will result in Texas going from 29 to 35 million people?  

I mean, I know we're dumb but we'd notice 6 million new people in a state, even of this size because they'd largely be confined to a handful of urban/suburban areas.  

When you're going for political hyperbole, even amongst the stupid, try to keep it somewhere within the bounds of reality.  Even the shitheel Trumpers are gonna realize, "Wow, that's a half million every two months.  So wait...that's like millions each year.  Wow, I know there's a lot of people moving to Harris county, but that seems like we'd notice that many new people.  I guess they're starting to disguise themselves to look more white?"  

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250,000 each month?  3 million per year?  So two years of Biden policy before he takes office will result in Texas going from 29 to 35 million people?  

I mean, I know we're dumb but we'd notice 6 million new people in a state, even of this size because they'd largely be confined to a handful of urban/suburban areas.  

Have you been to Marfa lately?  It's already at 100,000 people, and will probably pass up Amarillo and Lubbock within a few years!

Shit, Terlingua will probably hit a thousand people in a few years.

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This is from last week:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/27/texas-mask-mandates-greg-abbott/

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Even as Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton vow to punish local government and school district officials who flout the governor’s executive order, they conceded in court documents that they actually have no power to enforce the ban.

“Neither Governor Abbott nor Attorney General Paxton will be enforcing” the order, Paxton argued in a Monday court filing in Dallas.

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Cities, counties and school districts in the state’s major urban areas have responded with a flood of lawsuits challenging Abbott’s executive order prohibiting them from enacting mask mandates amid a surge of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations.

In a bid to convince judges to toss out those legal challenges, Abbott and Paxton claim in recent court filings that they’re not the right target because it’s up to local prosecutors to enforce Abbott’s orders.

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“[Abbott is] saying, ‘Well, it’s not enforceable, only the DA can do it,” said Randall Erben, an adjunct law professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “Well, the DAs in Travis, Harris and Dallas are not going to prosecute anybody for violation of the executive order.”

In the state’s most populous county, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg doesn’t anticipate enforcing Abbott’s executive order because it’s not a criminal matter, a spokesperson said.

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Abbott’s legal argument — tucked into court documents in at least five lawsuits challenging his order — has prompted some lawyers representing local governments and public schools to call out the governor and Paxton for saying one thing in public and another in the courtroom.

So Abbott wants to remove power from the local counties/districts, but he expects the local counties to carry out the prosecution of any violations, even though they are not criminal, and so DA's don't want to waste time/energy/political capital fighting them.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Have you been to Marfa lately?  It's already at 100,000 people, and will probably pass up Amarillo and Lubbock within a few years!

Shit, Terlingua will probably hit a thousand people in a few years.

Only way to stave that off, Terlingua allows beans in the chili.  The town exodus will be post haste! 

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Remember that math exercise that our 4th grade teachers did with us?  I give you one penny today and it will double every single day (2 pennies Tuesday, 4 pennies Wednesday, 8 pennies Thursday, etc.) for 30 days.  You can have all that money at the end.  Or you can have one million dollars right now.  

49% of the class selected the long compound, the $5mm+.

49% of the class selected the $1mm in quick cash.  

2% of the class became members of the Trump cabinet and opted to refuse the entire exercise claiming it was futilely based on fake maths and a China Abacus.  

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IF a single reporter would ask him this simple question, our entire state would come crashing to a halt.  We have to perpetuate the myth.  Along with about 10 more years of oil, it's all we have left from the old ways.

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17 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is from last week:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/27/texas-mask-mandates-greg-abbott/

So Abbott wants to remove power from the local counties/districts, but he expects the local counties to carry out the prosecution of any violations, even though they are not criminal, and so DA's don't want to waste time/energy/political capital fighting them.

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5 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s honestly baffling that there won’t be political consequences for this failure. 

In response to the ICU shortage in Texas Abbott will introduce an executive bill that will make it a felony to wear a bedpan on your head to pretend it's a Paul Revere hat. The bill will also make it illegal for women to laugh. 

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Legislature is looking at a bill that would allow individual school districts to mandate masks, while allowing parents to opt out their kids (presumably will be handled like it is in those districts that allow the kids to opt out now, with those kids being put in their own isolated area or whatever).

They are also funding virtual education through September 2023.

Both of those allow Abbott to say "well, the legislature came up with this, bleh bleh bleh, and that's exactly the loophole I was hoping they would find", but Abbott could also try and veto them just to keep the fucking Mogwai Huffines and his crowd off his back, and to appease the MAGA types.

Then again, this probably has pretty strong backing.  The legislature knows millions of parents are tired of this shit and want to keep their schools open and the kids in school.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Then again, this probably has pretty strong backing.  The legislature knows millions of parents are tired of this shit and want to keep their schools open and the kids in school.

Abbott vetoed a bill to reduce and prosecute animal abuse. He doesn't give a fuck about what's right, just what will get him elected. 

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21 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Abbott vetoed a bill to reduce and prosecute animal abuse. He doesn't give a fuck about what's right, just what will get him elected. 

The legislature gives a shit though, including the Republicans who are working on this.  Plenty of them are vulnerable enough from the moderates/Dems/pissed-off-parents.

It's weird.  Abbott went hard MAGA-right right after the Mogwai entered the Republican primary, but a bunch of these theatrics are definitely meant for the national MAGA crowd, and Abbott playing to the national crowd is going to make it a closer general race here in Texas with parents who are pissed off.

West is out of the race for all intents and purposes, and the Mogwai isn't doing much better, but Abbott is probably trying to make sure that he doesn't get any traction at all.

With that said, the national MAGA crowd is going to see how weak Abbott has looked with the biggest districts all telling him to fuck off.

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On 8/26/2021 at 1:31 PM, Ghost of LL said:

I don't understand where this myth of Greg Abbott being a savvy operator comes from.

His electoral career isn't that impressive.  He got appointed to the Texas Supreme Court by Bush and then ran for AG because . . . well, he was on the Supreme Court, has grey hair, and kind of looks like a guy who might oughta be AG.  And then he ran for governor against one of the worst possible candidates the Dems could put up.

He's never had to win a real primary challenge.  And he's never had to run any kind of competent campaign.  He raises money like a motherfucker, but he never really has had to spend it.

And having gotten elected, his legislative record isn't particularly impressive.  What major piece of legislation has Greg Abbott championed that actually made its way into law? 

Sorry I  missed this before.

Prior to the past few years, Abbott was, as you pointed out, largely forgettable.  He had an (R) next to his name, raised a shitload of money, and was more than happy to let others (Patrick, etc.) get their hands dirty, and hang out in the background to be perceived as the proverbial "powerless" governor that many of us were taught about in high school or college Texas government..  I think that was all be design - he's not stupid, and I don't say that because he's a UT business grad.  Rick Perry was much more of a publicity hound with all of his various projects, whereas Abbott wasn't following that track.  Patrick was making a name for himself being obsessed with who uses what bathrooms, etc. while Abbott was just...Abbott.

I'm not saying he was previously like John Cornyn and now is more like Ted Cruz, because Cornyn actually gets a lot of shit done that most Texans don't even realize he's getting done, but it's not a bad comparison as far as "What does he actually do or stand for?"

5 years ago, you could have taken 50 Texans and asked them about something notable that Abbott has done one year into his term, and many would say "well....he has an (R) next to his name?" with some tossing out Jade Helm references.

Here in September of 2021, you could take 50 Texans and ask them about something notable that Abbott has done, and you're going to hear about last February's winter storm and him trying to carry water for the companies/plants that went down, you're going to hear about him still carrying Trump's water after Trump easily lost, you're going to hear about him now actively working against Texas parents, Texas businesses, and Texans in relation to COVID, and now you're going to hear about the abortion thing.  

These last three - carrying Trump's water, now actively working against Texas parents, Texas businesses, and Texans in relation to COVID, and the abortion thing, Abbott is absolutely going on center stage and owning all three of those things, and he is doing everything he can to make sure everybody knows it.  He's bragging about it.

If this were Texas 10 years ago, it's not as big of a deal - his actions aren't going to have serious implications for most Republicans.  But it's 2021, and Texas has been changing, and the shit that Abbott is pulling, while it may not keep him personally from winning, is going to drive a lot more people out to vote for Dems, or drive people away from the GOP (or at least stay home), and that will absolutely matter in the down-ballot races.

Obviously, Abbott has his eyes on something bigger, without realizing he has no chance outside of Texas, but he's going to cost the GOP in the voting booth if he keeps this shit up.  Gleefully bragging about the abortion thing or trying to stop schools from masking up may appease the small number of people who might follow Don Huffines, but he is not doing the Texas GOP any favors in the long run.

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