Why I voted the way I did

[Enchubben 5510]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

He was right though. Voting because of a tax cut for rich people is greedy. 

You may disagree, which is fine, but it was a tax cut for everyone not just the rich. So yea, I like money, and I’d like others to have money too. And I’d especially like it if the government stopped taking it from people at increasing rates to spend it on stupid shit or to give handouts. 

If that makes me greedy, ok.

[Texaspython 231]

2 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

You may disagree, which is fine, but it was a tax cut for everyone not just the rich. So yea, I like money, and I’d like others to have money too. And I’d especially like it if the government stopped taking it from people at increasing rates to spend it on stupid shit or to give handouts. 

If that makes me greedy, ok.

More likely, misinformed. 

[Dahobbs 17625]

4 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

More likely, misinformed. 

And an idiot. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

My taxes went up under trump. Screw him and the republicans for capping the property tax deduction.

Trump and cornyn cost Texans millions hoping that people wouldn’t notice because it’s only a calculation buried in your tax forms as opposed to a number on every paycheck.

[Enchubben 5510]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My taxes went up under trump. Screw him and the republicans for capping the property tax deduction.

Trump and cornyn cost Texans millions hoping that people wouldn’t notice because it’s only a calculation buried in your tax forms as opposed to a number on every paycheck.

Careful now, you’re starting to sound a bit greedy and selfish. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21205]

39 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I thought I might not vote for Trump and had vaguely, sort of wishy-washily built up some mental justifications and a case for not doing so over the past few weeks in anticipation of it being crisis of self, but when it came down to the actual ballot and myself staring down that barrel, I reverted back to what was comfortable and easier for me to do (both socially/culturally and politically) and I voted for Trump again.

I don't know if I have kept my integrity or if I am a coward. Probably equal parts both, ammirite?

I'll give you credit for admitting this ridiculous rationalization.  I'm not sure coward is the right word...could be but you're definitely morally-challenged.  trump is an abomination; a disgusting characterization of all that is ugly about America.  You knew  voting for him was wrong and but did it anyway; pretty pathetic. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

5 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

Careful now, you’re starting to sound a bit greedy and selfish. 

Yep, I’m selfish in that I want a president that will work to help all Americans and not 45% of them.

[Whatever 700]

It’s understandable if you don’t like either Biden or trump. That’s fair. But realize that voting L (or any 3rd party) in Texas is actually voting for Trump. It’s not a protest vote or that you think Jo Jorgensen should be president. It’s you helping Trump win Texas. 100%.
Think of who can help America the most? Or who will help you personally the most. Then vote either Biden or Trump.
 

I don’t claim to be an expert and you may very well be right. Honestly I’m not as informed as most of you on here so it’s tough to decipher. Do you have any tangible evidence that my L vote in Texas is a Trump one? My R friends/family tell me my R vote is a D vote. And vice versa for my D friends/family.

Nothing against you, but I’m skeptical of the majority of the info I’m fed (mainly the media on both sides). It’s so hard to find unbiased info that I’ve become cynical of many “facts”.

I care more about America than my own interests & I haven’t noticed my life being a whole lot different no matter who is in office (I’m 38). Only thing is I think it’s more complicated than Biden will help America the most and Trump will help me the most.

Any links or info you can provide is appreciated.

[4th&Five 41565]

24 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

You may disagree, which is fine, but it was a tax cut for everyone not just the rich. So yea, I like money, and I’d like others to have money too. And I’d especially like it if the government stopped taking it from people at increasing rates to spend it on stupid shit or to give handouts. 

If that makes me greedy, ok.

Not everyone. I paid more last year than I ever have. I also own a small biz and those went up too. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

If you vote 3rd party, you ultimately help whoever wins your state, I assume Texas. That’s the fact. It’s the same as not voting.

It’s fair to vote for someone that you think helps you the most. Personally I think that helping America ultimately helps everyone. There is a reason that the stock markets always grow under democrat presidents and not republicans. Republicans administration definitely help to pump up the market but it’s not sustainable which leads to a crash. 2008-09 was all on the republican party. 

[Texaspython 231]

My taxes went up under Trump. 

[Enchubben 5510]

5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Not everyone. I paid more last year than I ever have. I also own a small biz and those went up too. 

No doubt there are exceptions, but on average, the effective tax rate when down for each income group for 2019 with 95% of returns in. 

https://taxfoundation.org/trump-tax-cuts-who-benefited-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-data-2019/

[hobbes2702 13049]

22 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

Careful now, you’re starting to sound a bit greedy and selfish. 

At least he understands the tax code 

[Enchubben 5510]

10 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

At least he understands the tax code 

Probably not very well if his taxes increased because of a limitation on the salt deduction.   Alternatively he could have had a record year in comparison to prior years, in which case, kudos to him. 

[Macanudo 12994]

Voted straight D except for a Libertarian running against my state Rep because there wasn't a D.    I voted for Ds because any R is an evil reprehensible moron in my opinion.

[hornmpa96 2619]

35 minutes ago, Whatever said:

I don’t claim to be an expert and you may very well be right. Honestly I’m not as informed as most of you on here so it’s tough to decipher. Do you have any tangible evidence that my L vote in Texas is a Trump one? My R friends/family tell me my R vote is a D vote. And vice versa for my D friends/family.

Nothing against you, but I’m skeptical of the majority of the info I’m fed (mainly the media on both sides). It’s so hard to find unbiased info that I’ve become cynical of many “facts”.

I care more about America than my own interests & I haven’t noticed my life being a whole lot different no matter who is in office (I’m 38). Only thing is I think it’s more complicated than Biden will help America the most and Trump will help me the most.

Any links or info you can provide is appreciated.

I'm assuming you're in Texas - I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 knowing that I was essentially throwing my vote away, but it didn't matter because Trump was winning Texas anyway. However, in 2020, if you think Biden is the lesser of two evils and Texas is in play, how do you vote Libertarian this year?

[MonkeyDoughnut 10326]

1 hour ago, Texaspython said:

I think we lefties do plenty of listening, far more than the Trump people I know. I just think most of the dialogues leaves Trump people feeling stupid. How do you get around the truth? Are us lefties to placate the untruths and half truths? Smile and look past the lies? 

Agreed, my comment predicating this was specific to the politics forum and not in general. It seems anything on the forum even slightly to the right is immediately pounced upon and attacked throwing out insults, far right topics and black and white party affiliation and beliefs as if everyone on the right is all in on the far right ideology.

Apparently that's just me thinking this though so I'll move along... 

[TwiceHorn 31509]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Or maybe he spends too much time on this board ... The hate towards anything non left is off the charts. Find me some examples going in the other direction on this board please.

Well, the right currently isn't able to articulate much of anything that is objectively supportable.  Most of the things they do attempt to articulate, like fiscal conservatism, they don't actually do.

As a person with a conservative bent that is entirely disgusted with the GOP, I occasionally come out in support of what conservatism is supposed to be and don't get hate.  I usually get discussion.

Most of the people who come on here and espouse "non-left" things and get hate are spewing talking points that have little basis in reality or are just an effort to "pwn the libs."  

[Enchubben 5510]

The irony is that the same group, in this thread one page back no less, claiming how right of center they are, and how they truly do listen to others, follow that up by saying those that have different views are greedy, selfish, bigoted, misinformed and idiots. Truly remarkable.  Sorry for my part in derailing the thread by posting my opinions and why i voted the way i did in the "Why I voted the way I did" thread. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Enchubben

[TwiceHorn 31509]

51 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My taxes went up under trump. Screw him and the republicans for capping the property tax deduction.

Trump and cornyn cost Texans millions hoping that people wouldn’t notice because it’s only a calculation buried in your tax forms as opposed to a number on every paycheck.

I'm not mad about my taxes per se.  I am, however, furious that my taxes went up while government revenue went down.

[immamac 42872]

1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

The irony is that the same group, in this thread one page back no less, claiming how right of center they are, and how they truly do listen to others, follow that up by saying those that have different views are greedy, selfish, bigoted, misinformed and idiots. Truly remarkable.  Sorry for my part in derailing the thread by posting my opinions though. 

Funny how there were people who voted that got listened to. It's almost like you thinking "listening" means entertaining nonsense and not challenging you or calling you out on hypocrisy. 

[CooterBrown 18015]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Think of who can help America the most? Or who will help you personally the most. Then vote either Biden or Trump.

 

What's funny about that, is that 99.9% of those who just admit they're selfish and use that as their justification will get fucked by Trump policies.  They're just too stupid to know it.

Edited November 3, 2020 by CooterBrown

[Enchubben 5510]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Funny how there were people who voted that got listened to. It's almost like you thinking "listening" means entertaining nonsense and not challenging you or calling you out on hypocrisy. 

Like the ones that got called cowards? Morally-challenged? Pathetic?

Oh you mean the ones that voted a certain way got listened to, got it. 

[Enchubben 5510]

1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:

What's funny about that, is that 99.9% of those who just admit they're selfish and use that as their justification will get fucked by Trump policies.  They're just to too stupid to know it.

FIFY

[CooterBrown 18015]

1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

FIFY

Goddamnit

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

My taxes went up too under Trump due to the added restrictions on deductions.  Fuck them. I hope Biden repeals the whole thing. 

[Thatguy 8759]

22 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

Hitler, really? So when are we invading Poland?

Also, you voting for Biden is a way bigger problem. He’s only been part of the system for 47 years. The same system you think he is going to fix.

     Am I missing a few pages in history? I could've sworn Hitler gained office by playing to the masses' fear of losing their country to particular demographics, and then talking about Eugenics and racehorse theory. Sound familiar?

   Also, Obama said it best when he stated that the US is like an ocean liner. It takes a long time to change course. You and I, as Black Americans, have far more ability to freely move around in this country than we did 47 years ago. So do Women. So do Gays. So do Hispanics. As a father, I like the idea that my daughter will be able to buy a house without a signature from her husband, or get her own credit cards, or has rule over her own body. All of those things, IN MY EYES, are called progress. A good politician SHOULD keep his ear to the ground, and play to the wants and desires of the people. You see 47 years of non action. I see 47 years of slow progress. Do I wish we could course correct quicker? Yes, but that's not how oceanliners work.

[Hefeweizen 5328]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

Oh look at @immamac, sitting on his cloud of judgement handing down life lessons to all the sinners. 

To add to the actual thread, rather than simply attacking others with views different than my own, I voted the way I did because of trumps tax cuts and the opposition to the green new deal. I also was happy with trump being the first president to not start a new major military conflict.

Also because Kim Ogg. I would have gone to the poll just to vote against her.

Repped for honesty.  At least there is a reason.

[BradInATX 9208]

6 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

Repped for honesty.  At least there is a reason.

 

Yeah. I don't really fault guys like Enchubben who vote purely on taxes. I think it's a bit wrongheaded, because when you break down the numbers like I did on another thread, Biden's socialist tax hikes equate to about $1 per paycheck. And I disagree with the weight given to priorities; I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means helping out society. Rising tide lifts all boats and all that. But everyone's situations and families and priorities are different, so even though I disagree, that kind of vote is not going to get a lot of ire out of me. 

I also understand that being able to be nonchalant about it speaks to my privilege and comfort in life. If I were a woman or a person of color or LBGTQ or really anyone but a white male, I probably wouldn't feel that way. Ethical conundrum for me that I haven't quite reconciled within my moral compass. Supporting Trump, regardless of your reason, is at the very least turning a blind eye to bigotry and racism. At the same time, I don't think it makes sense to assume everyone who votes for Trump is a shitbag or a racist.

I still don't have that one quite figured out.

Edited November 3, 2020 by BradInATX

[Enchubben 5510]

7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

Yeah. I don't really fault guys like Enchubben who vote purely on taxes. I think it's a bit wrongheaded, because when you break down the numbers like I did on another thread, Biden's socialist tax hikes equate to about $1 per paycheck. And I disagree with the weight given to priorities; I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means helping out society. Rising tide lifts all boats and all that. But everyone's situations and families and priorities are different, so even though I disagree, that kind of vote is not going to get a lot of ire out of me. 

I also understand that being able to be nonchalant about it speaks to my privilege and comfort in life. If I were a woman or a person of color or LBGTQ or really anyone but a white male, I probably wouldn't feel that way. Ethical conundrum for me that I haven't quite reconciled within my moral compass. Supporting Trump, regardless of your reason, is at the very least turning a blind eye to bigotry and racism. At the same time, I don't think it makes sense to assume everyone who votes for Trump is a shitbag or a racist.

I still don't have that one quite figured out.

Shit I meant to respond to your post the other day on numbers. I'll DM you what i think I calculated because it's irrelevant here. +1 rep point for different thoughts without childish name calling.

[Thatguy 8759]

7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

Yeah. I don't really fault guys like Enchubben who vote purely on taxes. I think it's a bit wrongheaded, because when you break down the numbers like I did on another thread, Biden's socialist tax hikes equate to about $1 per paycheck. And I disagree with the weight given to priorities; I'm willing to pay higher taxes if it means helping out society. Rising tide lifts all boats and all that. But everyone's situations and families and priorities are different, so even though I disagree, that kind of vote is not going to get a lot of ire out of me. 

I also understand that being able to be nonchalant about it speaks to my privilege and comfort in life. If I were a woman or a person of color or LBGTQ or really anyone but a white male, I probably wouldn't feel that way. Ethical conundrum for me that I haven't quite reconciled within my moral compass. Supporting Trump, regardless of your reason, is at the very least turning a blind eye to bigotry and racism. At the same time, I don't think it makes sense to assume everyone who votes for Trump is a shitbag or a racist.

I still don't have that one quite figured out.

   Yeah, my father in law paid cash for his last 4 homes. One of those was a 6000 sq ft home near Tahoe. So he is voting for his money, and being a white dude the country was built for him, so his concern for the rest of the bullshit is nil. That's a tough spot for me, because my daughter, his grandaughter, is not only Black but a type 1 diabetic at 12 years old. On one hand I get a little irritated he can be so apathetic towards social issues. On the other hand I also know my daughter stands to inherit a solid bit of money between the two of us. So I try my best to understand his thinking.

   For me personally I cannot turn my back on my people simply because I made it. While I dislike the construct of our current welfare system, I will still gladly pay a higher tax rate to make sure people get what they need.

[Planet Houston 4930]

I voted for Biden because I don’t support fascism or racism, and I’m tired of being embarrassed to be an American. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Planet Houston

[Biff Tannen 45692]

2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yeah, ok.  This is believable.

He's a unicorn!

[Texaspython 231]

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

     Am I missing a few pages in history? I could've sworn Hitler gained office by playing to the masses' fear of losing their country to particular demographics, and then talking about Eugenics and racehorse theory. Sound familiar?

   Also, Obama said it best when he stated that the US is like an ocean liner. It takes a long time to change course. You and I, as Black Americans, have far more ability to freely move around in this country than we did 47 years ago. So do Women. So do Gays. So do Hispanics. As a father, I like the idea that my daughter will be able to buy a house without a signature from her husband, or get her own credit cards, or has rule over her own body. All of those things, IN MY EYES, are called progress. A good politician SHOULD keep his ear to the ground, and play to the wants and desires of the people. You see 47 years of non action. I see 47 years of slow progress. Do I wish we could course correct quicker? Yes, but that's not how oceanliners work.

Hitler started out very unpopular and remained so for a very long time. He took a very small minority and gained power by intimidation and violence. The resistance ignored him and thought him too crazy to gain real power until it was too late.

That’s the comparison we’re drawing. No, it’s not exactly the same, don’t get hung up on that. It’s the resistance to democracy that’s concerning.

[DigglerontheHoof 21205]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

Like the ones that got called cowards? Morally-challenged? Pathetic?

Oh you mean the ones that voted a certain way got listened to, got it. 

voters for trump are all or some of those.  No debate, sushine. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

Voting for financial reasons is a reason, but when weighed against the other side of the ledger, especially in this election, it's just not something I respect, support, or want to be associated with. 

[wildcat09 29355]

4 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

Hitler started out very unpopular and remained so for a very long time. He took a very small minority and gained power by intimidation and violence. The resistance ignored him and thought him too crazy to gain real power until it was too late.

That’s the comparison we’re drawing. No, it’s not exactly the same, don’t get hung up on that. It’s the resistance to democracy that’s concerning.

The resistance didn't ignore him, they fought nazis in the streets and yelled about the danger they posted. But they supported things like a minimum wage, so the moderates and non-fascist conservatives saw them as the real dangerous radicals and accepted the nazis as preferable to the socialists. Then the nazis killed the communists, the socialists, the Jews, the homosexuals, the disabled, and a lot of the moderates. Because the moderates were so stupid they saw people who wanted working Germans to earn a higher wage as the real danger.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If you vote 3rd party, you ultimately help whoever wins your state, I assume Texas. That’s the fact. It’s the same as not voting.

It’s fair to vote for someone that you think helps you the most. Personally I think that helping America ultimately helps everyone. There is a reason that the stock markets always grow under democrat presidents and not republicans. Republicans administration definitely help to pump up the market but it’s not sustainable which leads to a crash. 2008-09 was all on the republican party. 

[4th&Five 41565]

Just now, Dr. Beeper said:

It’s unbelievable how much this is true. I feel like I don’t really have a political party, and unlike you I’m not gonna waste my time voting. I haven’t voted since ‘12. 

Trump is going to be obliterated today, and unlike Hilary, this motherfucker will likely not concede and fight/litigate this thing out, leaving markets in limbo. 

I’m actually really refreshed at the prospect of a Biden presidency precisely because it’s not Trump. When he’s elected, with all uncertainty off the table, markets are going to soar. I am scared as shit about my taxes. 

I'm having 2016 flashbacks.

[BradInATX 9208]

He is terrible. We should win convincingly.

[Nolacycling 893]

I voted straight Blue after Whitewater. So mad at that clusterfuck.

Today, I will vote Blue except for incumbent mayor and a judge, Medeary(sp?). Corpus Christi

I waited to vote until today, I enjoy the nostalgic feeling and also wanting every blue hair at polling place to think I'm cancelling out their vote.

[HoustonFrog 368]

He hates that the Dems support protests against police violence and supports a President that has explicitly encouraged terrorism against his political opponents. 
I think we can draw some conclusions about this guy.

Explicitly supports terrorism? Huh?

I hate that the left side encourages massive protests and riots while at the same time encouraging everyone else to stay in small groups and/or not go out. All while screaming “science” like it’s some black and white thing.

At some point we have to realize almost nothing is black and white, it’s all gray. Anyways. I sort of regret my vote with each passing day

[Brothahorn 10087]

Oh look at [mention=397]immamac[/mention], sitting on his cloud of judgement handing down life lessons to all the sinners. 
To add to the actual thread, rather than simply attacking others with views different than my own, I voted the way I did because of trumps tax cuts and the opposition to the green new deal. I also was happy with trump being the first president to not start a new major military conflict.
Also because Kim Ogg. I would have gone to the poll just to vote against her.

Hey now. I actually think Kim has done a decent job. She’s one of my democrats.

[Enchubben 5510]

13 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Hey now. I actually think Kim has done a decent job. She’s one of my democrats.

I'm all for modifying the criminal justice system in some capacity, but her version ain't it for me.  Luckily for you, I don't see her losing.  Her opponent is a Sooner which should disqualify pretty much anyone from running for office.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4782]

One candidate is a decent human being. One candidate is a walking, talking piece of human garbage who is a liar, a coward and a bigot.  Most election decisions aren't black and white, but this one should be for those reasons alone.  Unlike Enchubben my taxes will actually go up if Biden wins, and it will be worth every fucking penny to know that piece of shit is out of office. 

[Brothahorn 10087]

4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

     Am I missing a few pages in history? I could've sworn Hitler gained office by playing to the masses' fear of losing their country to particular demographics, and then talking about Eugenics and racehorse theory. Sound familiar?

   Also, Obama said it best when he stated that the US is like an ocean liner. It takes a long time to change course. You and I, as Black Americans, have far more ability to freely move around in this country than we did 47 years ago. So do Women. So do Gays. So do Hispanics. As a father, I like the idea that my daughter will be able to buy a house without a signature from her husband, or get her own credit cards, or has rule over her own body. All of those things, IN MY EYES, are called progress. A good politician SHOULD keep his ear to the ground, and play to the wants and desires of the people. You see 47 years of non action. I see 47 years of slow progress. Do I wish we could course correct quicker? Yes, but that's not how oceanliners work.

I'm not arguing about progress or lack there of. I agree with you. We should always be mindful of that, too. Not just when it suit our politics.

 

Non action? LOL. If only Biden had just sat there and did nothing for 47 years. Then so many of our fathers, sons, brothers and cousins wouldn't have been fed to the system while being labeled 'super predators'. 

 

[JFKFC 4890]

I voted for Biden.

Why?

I'm not fucking retarded.

[Okie State 3821]

I'm assuming you're in Texas - I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 knowing that I was essentially throwing my vote away, but it didn't matter because Trump was winning Texas anyway. However, in 2020, if you think Biden is the lesser of two evils and Texas is in play, how do you vote Libertarian this year?

In 2016 I cast my protest L vote because I couldn't, in good conscience, vote for either R or D. 2020 is a whole new ballgame and I couldn't, in good conscience, vote for anything other than the best chance to remove Trump. It was really as simple as that for me.

[huge 3793]

11 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

I voted for Biden.

Why?

I'm not fucking retarded.

Normally I would have read this sort of post and shuddered at how stupid our 2 party system is where either you are with me or you are "retarded" which is a word I personally hate more than Trump.  But here we are.  

He's that bad.

[Rimbo 25989]

There are too many reasons to count. The complete absence of reason from the incumbent President and his supporters suggests to me that simply having reason is enough to support Biden.

But I'll list them anyway.

1. Biden is saying all the right things about uniting America. He is right dead in the center.
2. He's not going to be a left-wing loony and he is not a socialist.
3. He's going to listen to what the scientists say on COVID and lives will be saved as a result.
4. He is not going to separate families at the border or throw them into concentration camps. He is not going to randomly deport people who have families here.
5. He is going to pursue sensible foreign policy, strong against the terrorists and enemies of the state and friendly with allies we can benefit from -- the exact opposite of what Trump has done.
6. He respects the institutions of democracy, that our families and ancestors fought and died to institute and protect.
7. He also respects where those institutions have completely and utterly failed black Americans and how they need to change.
8. He respects our military and, unlike Trump, understands what they fought and died for.
9. He is not a laughingstock for our enemies.
10. He will not tear America down the way Trump has.

All of the above apply to Kamala as well.