The Robert Mueller Investigation

[David Dennison 18856]

5 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

 

"Democratic Senate investigators say it may take them six or seven months to write their final report once they are done with witness interviews. They say they have uncovered facts yet to be made public, and that they hope to make Americans more fully aware of the extent to which the Russians manipulated the U.S. presidential election with the help of some Trump officials, witting or unwitting.

"The report, Democrats say, will not be good for Trump."

 

[Biff Tannen 45682]

It's like I'm playing cards with my brother's kids in here!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

100 contacts between Trump campaign and Russians.

All coincidences 

No “direct” evidence 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Also Chairman Burr voted to lift Russian sanctions.  

not a partisan 

Edited February 12, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[jimmyjazz 45926]

1 hour ago, Jhawk said:

I didn't spout a theory.  I asked a question and then posed a view of how people will react.  I can't help that certain posters here think that misreporting income for a bank loan 2 years before a political campaign started is tied to russian collusion and that this crime is going to bring down trump.

I'll pose another question, if I am ignorant (which I stopped reading every page of this thread about 60 pages in and decided to only ask questions from then on), then how do you think the average american thinks?  I at least have cognitive thought unlike many americans.  Do you think they have done the leg work?  Do you think they will ask the right questions?  No one is following this anymore, and absolutely no one is following it to the detail that many in here have.  So what about those people?  Do you think they will just come to the same conclusions as you and Trump is a dead man walking?  I'm not seeing that.

Who cares?  I am only concerned with whatever Mueller turns up, along with any House investigations.

If we get to the 2020 elections and no results have been made public, that's when I'll be concerned about the court of public opinion.  Until then, I'm wholly uninterested in trying to "educate" fools who won't set aside their own bias long enough to actually consider the mountain of damning evidence sitting right in front of their collective face.  Fuck 'em.

[ohchaucer 1443]

1 hour ago, udaydanceparty said:

 

Punchable faces thread is in Lulz.  

[jimmyjazz 45926]

1 hour ago, Jhawk said:

So unseal it.  What is there to lose?  If trump's name is on it then he will be irreparably damaged.  That's what the dems want isn't it? It wouldn't even take a conviction.

Jesus Christ you're a piece of work.  This has been addressed literally dozens of times.  Go talk to a fucking lawyer and educate yourself.

[Biff Tannen 45682]

4 minutes ago, Pokemon said:

Politics is not a right vs left game anymore. It's a spectrum of smart vs dumb.

This.  If you can't see or simply deny what is happening at this point, you fall in the latter category.

[Foosters 17856]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus Christ you're a piece of work.  This has been addressed literally dozens of times.  Go talk to a fucking lawyer and educate yourself.

The next step in the playbook will be to call everything "process crimes."

[Fozzz 152]

lmao.  Maybe Adam Schitt can have the House Intelligence Committee investigate this.

 

 

[SubliminalHorn 6787]

13 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lmao.  Maybe Adam Schitt can have the House Intelligence Committee investigate this.

 

 

Omg this is breaking news!

[The People’s Elbow 707]

2 hours ago, udaydanceparty said:

Buzzfeed...  LOL

It’s almost like you don’t know the difference between Buzzfeed and Buzzfeed News. 

[Dertyberd 394]

And that is why I hop on the Brisket train some days.  I realize we are fucked as a nation because no matter the evidence of conspiracy between his family, campaign, and his own financial dealings with Moscow, nothing will change peoples minds. Maybe if there is a recording of him asking for Russia to hack Clinton's emails, it might matter.  Or maybe invite the Russians into the Oval Office the day after firing the FBI director and telling them there is now nothing to worry about, it might matter.  Hell, he could even stand before the world in a Nordic country and fellatiate Putin with his lies, cowardice, and acquiescence for his daddy and nothing will matter unless there is a contract written in blood.

I have faith though that the investigation is taking so long because the mountain of evidence is necessary.  There can not be one mistake in it because the GOP will come at it like a bitch.  It will be the hill they die on, and it will work with much of the country.  It blows my mind that they can do this with vaccines, climate change, tax cuts for the wealthy causing massive deficits, and Pence not being gay because of his beard, but they are able to do it.  The evidence must cover the rubes like a blanket of fucking shame to be ridiculed for history.  I believe the country will survive if this can be done.  Hell, did anyone ever think you'd hear Republicans admit the Iraq War was bogus?  Freedom Fries and Toby Keith say no, but history says yes.  USA, USA!

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

9 minutes ago, Dertyberd said:

And that is why I hop on the Brisket train some days.  I realize we are fucked as a nation because no matter the evidence of conspiracy between his family, campaign, and his own financial dealings with Moscow, nothing will change peoples minds. Maybe if there is a recording of him asking for Russia to hack Clinton's emails, it might matter.  Or maybe invite the Russians into the Oval Office the day after firing the FBI director and telling them there is now nothing to worry about, it might matter.  Hell, he could even stand before the world in a Nordic country and fellatiate Putin with his lies, cowardice, and acquiescence for his daddy and nothing will matter unless there is a contract written in blood.

I have faith though that the investigation is taking so long because the mountain of evidence is necessary.  There can not be one mistake in it because the GOP will come at it like a bitch.  It will be the hill they die on, and it will work with much of the country.  It blows my mind that they can do this with vaccines, climate change, tax cuts for the wealthy causing massive deficits, and Pence not being gay because of his beard, but they are able to do it.  The evidence must cover the rubes like a blanket of fucking shame to be ridiculed for history.  I believe the country will survive if this can be done.  Hell, did anyone ever think you'd hear Republicans admit the Iraq War was bogus?  Freedom Fries and Toby Keith say no, but history says yes.  USA, USA!

 

The worst part is the Trumpkins are completely oblivious to the significance of what Russia did. They think it’s all about Trump.  It isn’t all about Trump.   

The voices of republican concern when China goes hard to the paint with the democrats using the same playbook and the liberals end up controlling everything for generations will be amusing...

and also sad because the Republicans neglected to take this shit seriously when they had the chance.

Party over country.

Always

Edited February 12, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Dertyberd 394]

Correct.  A major factor in this was the D's allowing the GOP to shape this narrative (as always) in their shock after the election.  They were able to say this was about being poor losers because Trump won and as usual the media ran with it and here we are.  It is why the Senate not being the statesmen they have to be in our system is so worrysome.   Democrats still play by the old rules, which has kept the country afloat for a long while.  McConnell and Co. will have their chance to prove themselves when the investigation comes out and impeachment is thrown their way.  We shall see, it's 50/50 in my book which side they fall on, no matter the evidence.  Serious business in the hands of histories clowns.  Blanket of shame better be heavy as hell.  

[deech 2275]

Wow - no surprise -- not a single person is caught on tape saying "Let's conspire to defraud the American public in the upcoming election"  or "Hey - Treason?  Sure - sounds great."  There was never going to be a smoking gun.  Obviously.  

In general, the legislature is spineless.  They can't even pass a bill requesting the President allow the special counsel finish his investigation - so sure let's trust their most recent non-collusion conclusions.  Putting aside the R-run Senate v. the D-run House, both are spineless. 

I guess I don't understand what more an American would need to see on this one?  I mean the President has admitted to obstruction.  He's done shit no President has ever done before in terms of walking into meetings with Putin/Russians without others.  There are multiple references to setting up back-channel communications between the Russians and the campaign outside the realm of the US intelligence community.  He actively on national TV asked for assistance to hack Hillary's emails.  Throw in just about every person interviewed lying about:  their meetings with Russians during the campaign, communications with Russians.  The emails in the public domain about the Trump tower meeting with Don Jr.  Throw in Trump and Cohen lying about how long the Trump tower discussions were ongoing about Trump Tower Moscow.  Throw in the NRA/Butina side-show.  Compare that to past foreign election interference in other countries by the Russians.  Then see Trump's actions with NATO or long-term allies by comparison to Russia, his impact on Magnitsky Act sanctions against Russians, his pulling out of the battle against ISIS.  

I get that none of this matters or it all can be explained away because HIllary is the Devil, tax cuts, abortion is murder, anti-socialism.

    

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

6 minutes ago, Dertyberd said:

Correct.  A major factor in this was the D's allowing the GOP to shape this narrative (as always) in their shock after the election.  They were able to say this was about being poor losers because Trump won and as usual the media ran with it and here we are.  It is why the Senate not being the statesmen they have to be in our system is so worrysome.   Democrats still play by the old rules, which has kept the country afloat for a long while.  McConnell and Co. will have their chance to prove themselves when the investigation comes out and impeachment is thrown their way.  We shall see, it's 50/50 in my book which side they fall on, no matter the evidence.  Serious business in the hands of histories clowns.  Blanket of shame better be heavy as hell.  

I don't see an impeachment trial getting off the ground in the Senate as long as McConnell is leader. He would have to be facing a major revolt from his own party for that to happen. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I don’t see the democrats impeaching him at all

[Dertyberd 394]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t see the democrats impeaching him at all

Wow.  We're really fucked if they fail to do their duty.  The precedent it sets will mean that nothing truly matters and Brisket is the smartest man on the internets.  

[Dertyberd 394]

7 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I don't see an impeachment trial getting off the ground in the Senate as long as McConnell is leader. He would have to be facing a major revolt from his own party for that to happen. 

That I can see in the Senate, but damn if it doesn't even make it over from the House. 

[wildcat09 29354]

2 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Why hasn't he been perp walked yet and why are lefties suddenly downplaying the mueller investigation like it is going to produce nothing?

Because you can be ludicrously obvious about committing white collar crimes and get away with them in this country. That's kind of the problem.

[wildcat09 29354]

4 minutes ago, Pokemon said:

They were ready to do it after the buzz feed drop. Which is why I think Mueller threw cold water around -- same with Cohen. The Dems revealed they'd jump the gun before the Mueller report. To get Trump. Mueller's mandate is Russia so he can't jeopardize that priority. He'll probably pass off a Trump take down to New York, as he did with the inauguration subpoenas.

I don't think Mueller was worried about the Dems torpedoing his probe, I think he was worried about them revealing the full depth of the GOP's complicity. He's a fucking lifelong Republican. He's going to do what he can to limit the collateral damage his investigation inflicts on the members of the GOP who aren't themselves knee-deep involved in the conspiracy. 

[NBMisha 224]

"No direct evidence" does not preclude a shit ton of positively condemning circumstantial evidence.  Troll job by Warner. Patience for the long game.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think Mueller was worried about the Dems torpedoing his probe, I think he was worried about them revealing the full depth of the GOP's complicity. He's a fucking lifelong Republican. He's going to do what he can to limit the collateral damage his investigation inflicts on the members of the GOP who aren't themselves knee-deep involved in the conspiracy. 

Just like all the Rs that think he's gone rogue in one direction, there is no reason to believe he's gone rogue the other direction.  Can we not assume the guy with a unparalleled service record is out just competently performing his job?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

21 minutes ago, Dertyberd said:

Wow.  We're really fucked if they fail to do their duty.  The precedent it sets will mean that nothing truly matters and Brisket is the smartest man on the internets.  

The democrats have already blown their impeachment opportunity.  If they started the process right now, it would drag out for months with hearings and evidence.  

By the time 2020 rolls around the excuse will be “let the voters decide”. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Just like all the Rs that think he's gone rogue in one direction, there is no reason to believe he's gone rogue the other direction.  Can we not assume the guy with a unparalleled service record is out just competently performing his job?

Yeah, we know Mueller is going to do his duty but seriously, Trump has been confessing to obstruction of justice in public for two years.  He’s already hit for the cycle as far as a Saturday Night Massacre goes, he just did it really slowly. 

Comey->Strozk->McCabe->Sessions -> Ohr

But Mueller is “still investigating” 

Jlaw okaygif

[Biff Tannen 45682]

2 minutes ago, Pokemon said:

If he can't get Trump he'll get his money or his kid. 

This is the bare minimum for me.

[Dertyberd 394]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The democrats have already blown their impeachment opportunity.  If they started the process right now, it would drag out for months with hearings and evidence.  

By the time 2020 rolls around the excuse will be “let the voters decide”. 

I see that, but they also lose a chance at Senate seats if they puss out and turn it into a referendum on Trump investigation.  They've got all fucking summer to have their hearings etc. and do their jobs.  You don't want this fight in 2020 to be about a "convoluted' investigation, which the R's will turn it in to, with the help of the Russians.  Can't have that.  Must have the case presented in an official capacity and not on the campaign trail. We haven't seen what active measures our adversaries have ready for us.   

Edited February 12, 2019 by Dertyberd

[DigglerontheHoof 21198]

1 hour ago, Pokemon said:

Also Trump talking so much shit about Mueller is an enormous mistake. It didn't work with "Nancy" and it's gonna back fire badly with Mueller. 

If he can't get Trump he'll get his money or his kid. 

I could live with that.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

1 hour ago, Pokemon said:

^ Pincer attack.

It can't fail against a 10 year old. 

 

[Yuk 1532]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

It reads like the opening of a bad cold war script:

Campaign manager secretly meets with Russian spy in the Grand Havana Room of a shady New York City cigar club. 

Edited February 12, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[retread 2951]

 

[David Dennison 18856]

This might be a good time to remind everyone that "direct evidence" is a legal term of art that has a specific meaning. He used it for a reason. Saying that there is no direct evidence of collusion does not mean that there is no evidence at all. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, direct evidence would be Trump and Putin caught on video handing out MAGA hats together in Central Park.

Which ironically would be less consequential that the actual coordination that took place.

[NWBuck 8557]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, direct evidence would be Trump and Putin caught on video handing out MAGA hats together in Central Park.

Which ironically would be less consequential that the actual coordination that took place.

But even then, 33% of the country will deny that it was collusion...

"He's helping the homeless be more fashionable! And Russians love hats- they're our new best friends! Just like in Rocky 4!"

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

“Wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia? 

Hillary would have started WW3”

[Thetexashammer 1062]

Four investigations:

1. Obama

2. Senate

3. House

4. Mueller

All the smartest people, dedicated political enemies. Every email housed in Utah, every travel document, every cell phone record. Dozens of people threatened with prosecution unless they flip. Release from jail if you flip. Armed assault on your house unless you flip. Everyone's life turned upside down to try and get some evidence. And yet Trump still hid his collusion.

Gentlemen, I think it's time we admit the truth. I know everyone thought Trump was a moron, I certainly did. But he outsmarted the best of the best of the best. We were wrong. If he's this good, then he can only be one thing, and one thing alone. The greatest of all time. 

Edited February 13, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[David Dennison 18856]

5 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Four investigations:

1. Obama

2. Senate

3. House

4. Mueller

All the smartest people, dedicated political enemies. Every email housed in Utah, every travel document, every cell phone record. Dozens of people threatened with prosecution unless they flip. Release from jail if you flip. Armed assault on your house unless you flip. Everyone's life turned upside down to try and get some evidence. And yet Trump still hid his collusion.

Gentlemen, I think it's time we admit the truth. I know everyone thought Trump was a moron, I certainly did. But he outsmarted the best of the best of the best. We were wrong. If he's this good, then he can only be one thing, and one thing alone. The greatest of all time. 

He's been implicated in all four. That's not counting the SDNY and NY AG.

He's in a shit load of legal jeopardy. So are his children.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[The People’s Elbow 707]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“Greatest of all time.” 

-Thetexashammer

[bolverk 29671]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's been implicated in all four. That's not counting the SDNY and NY AG.

He's in a shit load of legal jeopardy. So are his children.

Theboxofhammers has been proven wrong on literally every single point he's ever made in the new CR. At first, I thought he was a troll but, no, he really is this stupid.

He's not worth responding to other than an occasional:

Spoiler

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45926]

No, he's trolling.  He's just really fucking bad at it, which makes the fine line between troll and stupid quite difficult to perceive.

In the end, it doesn't matter.  He's also stupid.

[Ted Lange 16085]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

[David Dennison 18856]

4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Theboxofhammers has been proven wrong on literally every single point he's ever made in the new CR. At first, I thought he was a troll but, no, he really is this stupid.

He's not worth responding to other than an occasional:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I should know better.

Shame on me.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

34 minutes ago, The People’s Elbow said:

“Greatest of all time.” 

-Thetexashammer

To be fair Trump is boatracing Nixon in the criminal category

[bolverk 29671]

31 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, I should know better.

Shame on me.

Don't get me wrong. I see value in taking on trolls and liars for the benefit of the less politically engaged and informed lurkers out there on the principle of not letting falsehoods fester. But, in the case of Theboxofhammers, anyone who is actually in danger of buying the shit he sells might be completely irredeemable themselves.  

[Bruh Man 3160]

Any theories what this dbag is up to? It seems like he's trying to run out the clock without testifying.

 

 

[David Dennison 18856]

Just now, Bruh Man said:

Any theories what this dbag is up to? It seems like he's trying to run out the clock without testifying.

 

 

How can he run out the clock?