The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Would be neat if we got some underlying facts from Mueller.

[immortal13 4059]

5 hours ago, Kiss said:

I want to go to Canada, sneak across, renounce my citizenship and claim asylum.

I need a bus ticket. And my meds. And that is it. 

And when they send me back I will cross again . And again. And again.

Doesn't this sound familiar.

Well bye, bitch

[Pam Cummings 9867]

So the report is out and all anybody, including congress, gets to read is some shitty summary written by some fat shit that Trump hired to protect him. 

 

Seems about right honestly. 

[troph 25197]

This isn’t hard to see...

 

Trump may be an idiot but he’s not going to get caught trying to influence a campaign with Russian collusion... and more likely ... he didn’t even try.

 

Over zealous operatives may have done as much, and there is a wake of indictments related.

 

Folks flat out lied at a speed like rats jumping ship. No way it’s just nothing.

 

Muellers investigation was limited to Russian interference in the election (and related obstruction) - that’s the gravest threat to our government right now. He didn’t find much. Thank god. We don’t have an entire government acting as a secret agent. Whew. Now can someone please deal with them as the external enemy they are?

 

Trump is still being sued and likely in violation of the emoluments clause.

 

He’s not exonerated on obstruction at all he just has a handler in a position to block further action.

 

The financial crimes - for which there are likely many - are still fair game.

 

Violation of campaign finance law - that’s essentially proven.

 

We understand spin off investigations are on going. SDNY for example.

 

If you were hoping he was a secret agent of Russia or if you thought that was really what was going on then shit guys I don’t know what to tell you.

 

He’s still a crook and that’s not repeating the party line that’s pretty freaking clear from what’s already out there.

 

[immortal13 4059]

And the tooth fairy is also real

[Newy25 7916]

1 hour ago, Kiss said:

I'll repeat. Fuck Trump to goddamn death. Bitch ass clown. 

Die of a heart attack you despicable evil traitor rapist racist scumbag. 

And this goes for all you trump tard turds. You immoral PSYCHO fucks. 

You evil murderers. 

Shame on your parents and god help your kids. 

Go To HELL. YOU NAZI MOTHER FUCKERS.

Pretty much sums of this thread. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

So the report is out and all anybody, including congress, gets to read is some shitty summary written by some fat shit that Trump hired to protect him. 

 

Seems about right honestly. 

It’s a really bad precedent to set regardless of which team you’re on.  The fact that Barr literally campaigned for the job by writing a memo describing how the case for obstruction was stupid really makes this whole process look atrocious.  

Worse, it was him alone that decide Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted for obstruction while denying the public the underlying facts both for and against the case of obstruction.  The correct move would have been Barr recusing himself from weighing in on obstruction and handing the underlying facts and evidence to the public for them to decide.

Saying the obstruction charge is irrelevant because there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute for an underlying crime or conspiracy is laughable considering it’s possible the obstruction had everything to do with covering up the crime.

Gotta hand it to Trump though, he managed to successfully obstruct justice.  Of course this will have horrible consequences for whatever was left of the public’s faith in our institutions or the rule of law, but MAGA so whatever. 

[Pam Cummings 9867]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s a really bad precedent to set regardless of which team you’re on.  The fact that Barr literally campaigned for the job by writing a memo describing how the case for obstruction was stupid really makes this whole process look atrocious.  

Worse, it was him alone that decide Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted for obstruction while denying the public the underlying facts both for and against the case of obstruction.  The correct move would have been Barr recusing himself from weighing in on obstruction and handing the underlying facts and evidence to the public for them to decide.

Saying the obstruction charge is irrelevant because there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute for an underlying crime or conspiracy is laughable considering it’s possible the obstruction had everything to do with covering up the crime.

Gotta hand it to Trump though, he managed to successfully obstruct justice.  Of course this will have horrible consequences for whatever was left of the public’s faith in our institutions or the rule of law, but MAGA so whatever. 

Yeah yeah destroying democracy to own the libs and all that

[troph 25197]

And the tooth fairy is also real

Your posts are utterly worthless.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah yeah destroying democracy to own the libs and all that

From a political standpoint, the democrats mishandled this too by “we got to wait for Mueller”.  It’s just another case of the Republicans creating the political environment they wanted and the democrats having to adjust.  They should have been holding hearings on obstruction and getting as many facts out to the public before Barr had the opportunity to spike the whole thing. 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

I wonder what everyone on Surly is saying about the Mueller Investigation...

 

[EuroHorn 3295]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s a really bad precedent to set regardless of which team you’re on.  The fact that Barr literally campaigned for the job by writing a memo describing how the case for obstruction was stupid really makes this whole process look atrocious.  

Worse, it was him alone that decide Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted for obstruction while denying the public the underlying facts both for and against the case of obstruction.  The correct move would have been Barr recusing himself from weighing in on obstruction and handing the underlying facts and evidence to the public for them to decide.

Saying the obstruction charge is irrelevant because there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute for an underlying crime or conspiracy is laughable considering it’s possible the obstruction had everything to do with covering up the crime.

Gotta hand it to Trump though, he managed to successfully obstruct justice.  Of course this will have horrible consequences for whatever was left of the public’s faith in our institutions or the rule of law, but MAGA so whatever. 

It’s a bad precedent to set to accuse a president and all of his family of being Russian operatives for over two years with nothing but claims from Twitter and social media.   Basically treason which is a crime that is punishable by death. Although Joe McCarthy would be proud of you.

[jimmyjazz 47125]

2 hours ago, tjhooker said:

Jimmyjazz is having a rough time dealing with all this.  You think this is his favorite sock? 

I couldn't write that poorly if I tried.

[Js1 87174]

20 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I wonder what everyone on Surly is saying about the Mueller Investigation...

 

Fify.

And also me most of the weekend.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

21 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

It’s a bad precedent to set to accuse a president and all of his family of being Russian operatives for over two years with nothing but claims from Twitter and social media.   Basically treason which is a crime that is punishable by death. Although Joe McCarthy would be proud of you.

It’s hard to dispute Trump behaves like a Russian asset when he authors tweets like this.

 

Forgive me for trusting my ears and eyes and drawing conclusions that get disputed by Bill Barr, our Trump hand picked minister of truth.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[troph 25197]

Dem talking points circulated this morning for the talk shows. 

Oh shit I forgot to take my liberul, dimmocrat, socialist mouth piece out.

Sorry he’s innocent and the lawsuits for taking money at his hotels from foreign government reps is a non issue.

Sorry, known violations of campaign finance laws is totally cool.

Oh wait, the fact that Russian oligarchs love his condos in known money laundering havens like panama is no biggie.

As my pops says... trump is a good Christian, he used his own money to pay off that prostitute.

EXONERATED BY OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, FOX NEWS AND THE CHRISTIAN BROADCASTING NETWORK, HALLELUJAH PTL!!!

[EuroHorn 3295]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s hard to dispute Trump behaves like a Russian asset when he authors tweets like this.

 

Forgive me for trusting my ears and eyes and drawing conclusions that get disputed by Bill Barr, out minister of truth.

You’re a useful idiot 

Edited March 25, 2019 by EuroHorn

[immortal13 4059]

26 minutes ago, troph said:

 

Your posts are utterly worthless.

 

Your existence is totally worthless

[troph 25197]

Your existence is totally worthless

Yawn.

[immortal13 4059]

Sorry I hurt your feelings, crossdresser

[immamac 44312]

get back on topic this thread is totally derailed and the last 10 posts have nothing to do with the topic. I know it's hard to resist the urge to just talk shit about eachother and fling poo like monkeys, but we have to try. I promise we can get through this if we all try.

[bad_teammate 13496]

Some fairly uncontroversial observations:

- Donald is fat
- Donald is narcissistic
- Donald is dishonest
- Donald is easy to make fun of
- Donald is lazy
- Donald is bad at golf
- Donald profits financially from his role as president
- Donald likely didn't directly collude with Russia with regard to the election
- Donald told the world during a TV interview that he fired Comey to try and stop the Russia investigation
- Donald appointed Attorneys General (Whittaker then Barr) who had written public attacks against the Mueller investigation
- Donald hires morons and criminals
- Donald is an unindicted co-conspirator in a crime already
- Donald is under investigation for a dozen other crimes/entanglements
- Donald is an international embarrassment

Seems like a pretty vulnerable candidate in 2020.

Focus on that.

[troph 25197]

Sorry I hurt your feelings, crossdresser

You’re so cool.

[bad_teammate 13496]

Ignore lists. They're great.

[udaydanceparty 33]

Matt Taibbi released a chapter from his upcoming book Hate Inc which details the Russiagate hoax and great disservice this this conspiracy theory has done to the credibility of the press.  Get out while you still can.   

 

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it

 

Note to readers: in light of news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation is complete, I’m releasing this chapter of Hate Inc. early, with a few new details added up top.

 

Nobody wants to hear this, but news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is headed home without issuing new charges is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media.

As has long been rumored, the former FBI chief’s independent probe will result in multiple indictments and convictions, but no “presidency-wrecking” conspiracy charges, or anything that would meet the layman’s definition of “collusion” with Russia.

With the caveat that even this news might somehow turn out to be botched, the key detail in the many stories about the end of the Mueller investigation was best expressed by the New York Times:

A senior Justice Department official said that Mr. Mueller would not recommend new indictments.

The Times tried to soften the emotional blow for the millions of Americans trained in these years to place hopes for the overturn of the Trump presidency in Mueller. Nobody even pretended it was supposed to be a fact-finding mission, instead of an act of faith.

The Special Prosecutor literally became a religious figure during the last few years, with votive candles sold in his image and Saturday Night Live cast members singing “All I Want for Christmas is You” to him featuring the rhymey line: “Mueller please come through, because the only option is a coup.”

The Times story today tried to preserve Santa Mueller’s reputation, noting Trump’s Attorney General William Barr’s reaction was an “endorsement” of the fineness of Mueller’s work:

In an apparent endorsement of an investigation that Mr. Trump has relentlessly attacked as a “witch hunt,” Mr. Barr said Justice Department officials never had to intervene to keep Mr. Mueller from taking an inappropriate or unwarranted step.

Mueller, in other words, never stepped out of the bounds of his job description. But could the same be said for the news media?

For those anxious to keep the dream alive, the Times published its usual graphic of Trump-Russia “contacts,” inviting readers to keep making connections. But in a separate piece by Peter Baker, the paper noted the Mueller news had dire consequences for the press:

It will be a reckoning for President Trump, to be sure, but also for Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, for Congress, for Democrats, for Republicans, for the news media and, yes, for the system as a whole…

This is a damning page one admission by the Times. Despite the connect-the-dots graphic in its other story, and despite the astonishing, emotion-laden editorial the paper also ran suggesting “We don’t need to read the Mueller report” because we know Trump is guilty, Baker at least began the work of preparing Times readers for a hard question: “Have journalists connected too many dots that do not really add up?”

The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like itself made galactic errors by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.

Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller’s final report might leave audiences “disappointed,” as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you’d have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn’t prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr.? The financial matters! There’s an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and…

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something “so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

MORE at the link near the top..

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Ignore lists. They're great.

I liked your previous post though

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

This thread has predictably turned into:

you're an insect.... 

no you're an insect...

The report won't be released, I think we all know that.  That is a crime against the nation, we have a right to see what's in the report right up to, and just before actual national security issues.  The FISA warrant is part of the narrative, and always has been so stop griping about anyone bringing it up JimmyJ.  It's the seed that created the whole issue, and was in part fostered by the Steele report commissioned/bought by the DNC to sabotage Trump any way they could. 

He's still got legal issues to be dealt with, but hopefully the facts have come out that do debunk the concept he was a Russian operative. I hope everyone would be happy about that regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office or what your political flavor is.

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Onboard 2.0

[troph 25197]

The thing is we should all be breathing a collective sigh of relief there is no evidence of trump colluding with the Russians. Doesn’t mean he’s clean on all counts of all wrong doing, but at least the nightmare scenario isn’t true.

[triplehorn 2664]

32 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

From a political standpoint, the democrats mishandled this too by “we got to wait for Mueller”.  It’s just another case of the Republicans creating the political environment they wanted and the democrats having to adjust.  They should have been holding hearings on obstruction and getting as many facts out to the public before Barr had the opportunity to spike the whole thing. 

That's fair criticism, but I don't think Barr gets away with 'spiking the whole thing.'  Wrt obstruction, it appears to be a single individual's attempt to whitewash and hide information from the public.  It appears Mueller intended to have Congress deliberate over the non-exonerating evidence, and Barr is attempting to exploit an opening.  Now is the time to do a full court press to have Mueller's findings handed over to Congress.  Full stop.

Wrt coordinating with Russia around the attack, I'm struck by how narrow the wording is in Barr's summary - no coordination between Trump or campaign officials w Russian Government.  I get that and accept it, but it was Roger Stone who Trump/campaign communicated with about the hacks and leaking hacked material, not the RU government.  Stone is under indictment for lying and witness tampering - related to his interactions with a gray RU military intelligence operation around the election hack and info release.

On one hand, Barr may be exerting his personal decisions around inclusion in his letter, or Mueller really did keep it narrow to limit how much could be neutralized by him being fired by Trump or an AG whitewash.  The most direct path of Trump awareness of and consent to coordinating with Russia was via Stone, not the Russian government.  It's also Stone who is facing prison over it.  Go re-read his indictment.  It directly references comms with unnamed "high ranking" Trump campaign officials.  It may never extend to Trump campaign directly by way of criminal charges, but that aspect of the investigation is alive and well thanks to Mueller farming it out in advance.  Stone is charged with lying and tampering with witnesses to hide the truth - a truth that still could lead straight to Trump campaign.

 

[wildcat09 29577]

14 minutes ago, troph said:

The thing is we should all be breathing a collective sigh of relief there is no evidence of trump colluding with the Russians. Doesn’t mean he’s clean on all counts of all wrong doing, but at least the nightmare scenario isn’t true.

But that's not the case and their refusal to release the full report makes it more likely that the report reveals the opposite.

Edited March 25, 2019 by wildcat09

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

12 minutes ago, troph said:

The thing is we should all be breathing a collective sigh of relief there is no evidence of trump colluding with the Russians. Doesn’t mean he’s clean on all counts of all wrong doing, but at least the nightmare scenario isn’t true.

I absolutely agree with this and wonder how many people don’t. Also agree with Onboard...this forum is the perfect proof the report should be released in full. Unfortunately I think much of the report dovetails with ongoing investigations into Trump’s world so we’re Aren’t going to see the full report for a long time.

[triplehorn 2664]

Good news.  This has all the appearances of going forward.  But Mueller is done you say?  Yet another case he farmed out that is progressing.

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by triplehorn

[troph 25197]

But that's not the case and their refusal to release the full report makes it more likely that the report reveals the opposite.

If that’s true then we will adjust then. Yes we need a full release.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, troph said:

If that’s true then we will adjust then. Yes we need a full release.

And we should instantly forgive Trump for gaslighting the entire country every fucking day.

Facts don’t matter anymore, the truth is whatever Trump says it is.  

[WhatTheBuck 28928]

Holy shit. This thread has grown by 30 pages since I last checked it late Friday night. There must have been some serious trolling going on. And troll feeding. I'm confident I'm just about as well informed on the topic right now as I would be if I read all those 30 pages. Hell, maybe more so. 

We still have no idea what's in Mueller's report. All we know is that Barr is doing the job he was hired to do -- protect the president. 

[immamac 44312]

Immortal is taking a 2 week vacation in case anyone is wondering.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

Just now, immamac said:

Immortal is taking a 2 week vacation in case anyone is wondering.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Holy shit. This thread has grown by 30 pages since I last checked it late Friday night. There must have been some serious trolling going on. And troll feeding. I'm confident I'm just about as well informed on the topic right now as I would be if I read all those 30 pages. Hell, maybe more so. 

We still have no idea what's in Mueller's report. All we know is that Barr is doing the job he was hired to do -- protect the president. 

Well if Barr's interpretation is wholly wrong, Mueller can always do what's right and dump the whole thing on Congress's doorstep even if he will face consequences for doing so. 

[Eastwood 4394]

The thing is we should all be breathing a collective sigh of relief there is no evidence of trump colluding with the Russians. Doesn’t mean he’s clean on all counts of all wrong doing, but at least the nightmare scenario isn’t true.

The report found that Russia directly attacked our democracy. The President does not appear to be an active player in that attack, which is relieving, but I'm now more interested in how we plan to retaliate against Russia. "The 80's called. They want their foreign policy back" has really aged poorly. Time for all of us to accept the fact that the Cold War is back and Russia nneds to be batted back down ASAP.

[troph 25197]

The report found that Russia directly attacked our democracy. The President does not appear to be an active player in that attack, which is relieving, but I'm now more interested in how we plan to retaliate against Russia. "The 80's called. They want their foreign policy back" has really aged poorly. Time for all of us to accept the fact that the Cold War is back and Russia nneds to be batted back down ASAP.

I agree and said as much. Watching the Americans now...

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, tjhooker said:

Didn't you say yesterday it's time to move on from this? 

I would love to, but without hearing from Mueller or getting the facts, this isn’t over.   I really want to see if the reporting on the investigation lines up with the facts Mueller found.  

From a pure political standpoint the Republicans strategy is smart.  They wrote the headlines they needed today and are burying the underlying evidence from public view.  How very republican.

Democrats are probably going to roll over and let this go because the fight for the truth isn’t politically worth it. 

[formermav43 4621]

49 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

Matt Taibbi released a chapter from his upcoming book Hate Inc which details the Russiagate hoax and great disservice this this conspiracy theory has done to the credibility of the press.  Get out while you still can.   

 

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it

 

Note to readers: in light of news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation is complete, I’m releasing this chapter of Hate Inc. early, with a few new details added up top.

 

Nobody wants to hear this, but news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is headed home without issuing new charges is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media.

As has long been rumored, the former FBI chief’s independent probe will result in multiple indictments and convictions, but no “presidency-wrecking” conspiracy charges, or anything that would meet the layman’s definition of “collusion” with Russia.

With the caveat that even this news might somehow turn out to be botched, the key detail in the many stories about the end of the Mueller investigation was best expressed by the New York Times:

A senior Justice Department official said that Mr. Mueller would not recommend new indictments.

The Times tried to soften the emotional blow for the millions of Americans trained in these years to place hopes for the overturn of the Trump presidency in Mueller. Nobody even pretended it was supposed to be a fact-finding mission, instead of an act of faith.

The Special Prosecutor literally became a religious figure during the last few years, with votive candles sold in his image and Saturday Night Live cast members singing “All I Want for Christmas is You” to him featuring the rhymey line: “Mueller please come through, because the only option is a coup.”

The Times story today tried to preserve Santa Mueller’s reputation, noting Trump’s Attorney General William Barr’s reaction was an “endorsement” of the fineness of Mueller’s work:

In an apparent endorsement of an investigation that Mr. Trump has relentlessly attacked as a “witch hunt,” Mr. Barr said Justice Department officials never had to intervene to keep Mr. Mueller from taking an inappropriate or unwarranted step.

Mueller, in other words, never stepped out of the bounds of his job description. But could the same be said for the news media?

For those anxious to keep the dream alive, the Times published its usual graphic of Trump-Russia “contacts,” inviting readers to keep making connections. But in a separate piece by Peter Baker, the paper noted the Mueller news had dire consequences for the press:

It will be a reckoning for President Trump, to be sure, but also for Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, for Congress, for Democrats, for Republicans, for the news media and, yes, for the system as a whole…

This is a damning page one admission by the Times. Despite the connect-the-dots graphic in its other story, and despite the astonishing, emotion-laden editorial the paper also ran suggesting “We don’t need to read the Mueller report” because we know Trump is guilty, Baker at least began the work of preparing Times readers for a hard question: “Have journalists connected too many dots that do not really add up?”

The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like itself made galactic errors by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.

Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller’s final report might leave audiences “disappointed,” as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you’d have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn’t prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr.? The financial matters! There’s an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and…

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something “so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

MORE at the link near the top..

I’ll continue to have a low opinion of the press as long as they add “-gate” to every scandal.

[triplehorn 2664]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I would love to, but without hearing from Mueller or getting the facts, this isn’t over.   I really want to see if the reporting on the investigation lines up with the facts Mueller found.  

From a pure political standpoint the Republicans strategy is smart.  They wrote the headlines they needed today and are burying the underlying evidence from public view.  How very republican.

Democrats are probably going to roll over and let this go because the fight for the truth isn’t politically worth it. 

Even if Dems roll over (doesn't sound like it), what Mueller set in motion has a long way to go.  The financial corruption, with foreign entities in particular, is Trump's jam.  Lot of burners cooking on that stove right now.

[Anastasis 23716]

18 minutes ago, troph said:

I agree and said as much. Watching the Americans now...

 

Until my tongue fell off my face.

 

[Anastasis 23716]

Still want to know what Flynn proffered. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

15 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Even if Dems roll over (doesn't sound like it), what Mueller set in motion has a long way to go.  The financial corruption, with foreign entities in particular, is Trump's jam.  Lot of burners cooking on that stove right now.

Yeah, meanwhile the Kremlin is drawing up it’s attack plans to help Trump again in 2020.  They’re in ecstasy over this Barr letter and emboldened to push the envelope because there are little to no consequences for confederates as long as they aren’t listed in the Kremlin’s database of “paid employees”.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz
Ecstasy

[troph 25197]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Until my tongue fell off my face.

 

Man I was so into her when she first was on the air in felicity.  Such a great looking woman. 

[triplehorn 2664]

It's going to be interesting to see how Trump balances pretending total EXONERATION with a massive Sword of Damocles still hanging over his head thanks to Mueller farming out the majority of the investigation to other branches. 

Per recent comments above, so much about what we need to correct about what happened in 2016 goes beyond Trump the individual.  Those matters probably represent a significant majority of ongoing investigations, thanks to Mueller.  That work continuing to be done is extremely important to our future.  In no way is it 'time to move on.'  

[retread 2951]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, meanwhile the Kremlin is drawing up it’s attack plans to help Trump again in 2020.  They’re in ectacy over this Barr letter and emboldened to push the envelope because there are little to no consequences for confederates as long as they aren’t listed in the Kremlin’s database of “paid employees”.

Like someone said on CNN yesterday, communicating/collaborating with a foreign power has been normalized during elections. Previously, you would report any contacts with foreign powers to the FBI. Now, not so much.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, retread said:

Like someone said on CNN yesterday, communicating/collaborating with a foreign power has been normalized during elections. Previously, you would report any contacts with foreign powers to the FBI. Now, not so much.

I'd imagine that will be watched pretty closely now. I don't see Russia having any influence in our next section, not that I think they had any in 2016. Meddling doesn't mean success.