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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Why wouldn't we? They were eerily accurate in 2016.

Yeah, there's a big difference between Dems naively thinking late-campaign polls were wrong and the polls actually being wrong.  As has been stated time and again, the estimation just prior to the election was that Trump had ~ 25% chance of winning.  That's a long way from zero.  Where the polls went sideways was in the underestimation of tight races in the upper midwest, which ultimately (barely) swung Trump.  Electoral College, how does it work?

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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Here's one example, lol (Wisconsin)

 

Are you always wrong?

 

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)
Trump (R)
Johnson (L)
Stein (G)
Spread
Final Results -- -- -- 46.5 47.2 3.6 1.0 Trump +0.7
RCP Average 10/26 - 11/2 -- -- 46.8 40.3 5.8 2.0 Clinton +6.5
Remington Research (R)* 11/1 - 11/2 2720 LV 1.9 49 41 3 -- Clinton +8
Loras 10/31 - 11/1 500 LV 4.4 44 38 7 2 Clinton +6
Marquette 10/26 - 10/31 1225 LV 3.5 46 40 4 3 Clinton +6
Emerson 10/26 - 10/27 400 LV 4.9 48 42 9 1 Clinton +6

 

 

Enjoy that...eerily accurate indeed

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1 minute ago, XingTheRubicon said:

Here's one example, lol (Wisconsin)

 

Are you always wrong?

 

Polling Data

Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)
Trump (R)
Johnson (L)
Stein (G)
Spread
Final Results -- -- -- 46.5 47.2 3.6 1.0 Trump +0.7
RCP Average 10/26 - 11/2 -- -- 46.8 40.3 5.8 2.0 Clinton +6.5
Remington Research (R)* 11/1 - 11/2 2720 LV 1.9 49 41 3 -- Clinton +8
Loras 10/31 - 11/1 500 LV 4.4 44 38 7 2 Clinton +6
Marquette 10/26 - 10/31 1225 LV 3.5 46 40 4 3 Clinton +6
Emerson 10/26 - 10/27 400 LV 4.9 48 42 9 1 Clinton +6

 

 

Enjoy that...eerily accurate indeed

Looks VERY suspicious. 

Hey, were the American election systems targeted by anybody??

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1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

seriously, Barr kind of stepped in it.  Trump's probably happy, but Barr ???  damn.

Obama laid it, Barr can clean it up.  That's democracy folks.

 

Say the oddsmakers were not always as wrong as we remember  https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-vs-clemson-predictions-picks-odds-line-for-college-football-national-championship-2019/

 

Bama was just under a td favorite in Vegas IIRC.

 

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Polls don't predict who is going to win. They predict who voters are likely to vote for. The polls leading up to 2016 predicted more voters would vote for Hillary Clinton.

They were right.

 

Were they right in WI?  PA?

 

just off the top of my head, those were 6+ points off

 

 

Wait, do you not know how the EC works?  I don't how far to dumb it down

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Polls don't predict who is going to win. They predict who voters are likely to vote for. The polls leading up to 2016 predicted more voters would vote for Hillary Clinton.

They were right.

This.  Polls predict "points" as it were.  If a poll predicted that Texas beats OU 31-29, but the final result is OU 31, Texas 30, the poll was pretty much spot-on in its predicted points, including the points scored by each party.  If you predicted that Texas would score 31, and they actually scored 30, folks would rightly praise your analysis.  If you predicted that OU would score 29, and they actually scored 31, same thing.

Summary -- Xing is breathtakingly stupid.  Which makes his loyalties unsurprising.

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1 minute ago, XingTheRubicon said:

Which polls were accurate in PA and WI?

 

 

Show your work.   

 

 

Next.

PA and MI were both within the margin of error if you're using RCP.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6008.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...was there some illusion that Barr was independent in any way and worked for the American people? Nope. That’s not the way this admin works. Loyalty to Dear Leader is the only story.

 

1 hour ago, zork said:

if Barr leaked to Trump wouldn't there be a NYT article about the details since every meeting Trump has is leaked nearly immediately?  Clearly there is a ton of non loyal to dear leader people given all the leaks since before he even took the oath.  So which is it: loyal or leaker?  

I made a case in the past that Barr could be a Trojan horse of sorts to both do Trump's bidding to assuage him while also helping hold DOJ together to support its functions, even if he knows it leads to the eventual downfall of Trump and associates.  We don't know yet, but he IS pleasing Trump for the time being.  That can turn fast.

I still suspect that Trump's 50 insane rage tweets against Mueller etc. that weekend in the run-up to Barr's 4 page non-summary release could have been Trump catching wind of the thrust of the Mueller report.  Can you imagine that same weekend Trump threatening to fire AG Barr on the spot if he didn't do something ?  Of course you can.  To have Barr and likely Rosenstein fired leaving an empty No.3 spot to be the Acting AG in the wake of Rachel Brand already having resigned would have been a spectacular clusterfuck.  

If Barr is a trojan horse, today he got awfully close to giving it away by virtue of indulging too much in Trump-mania.  It belies who he is at the core - an intelligent competent attorney and previous USAG, regardless of the fact he has a record of being an accomplished fixer on one notable occasion.  If you play too good of a foolhardy Trump tool, suddenly you're in trouble of your own making.

A major tell will be the redacted Mueller report due within a week.  If the redacted report doesn't blunt the damage to Trump and kids, it will suggest Barr's ultimate intent is not to be Trump's Roy Cohn, to subvert justice, and to launch baseless attacks Trump's enemies.

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17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

PA and MI were both within the margin of error if you're using RCP.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6008.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html

I noticed you didn't mention WI...and RCP was off over 3% in MI

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COLLUSION MEDIA NARRATIVE
There was no spying
Okay, there was spying, but it was all legal <- WE ARE HERE
Some illegal things happened, but by mistake
Bad apples did the illegal things on purpose
We ordered the illegal spying, but there was no cover up
There was a cover up

 
 
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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...was there some illusion that Barr was independent in any way and worked for the American people? Nope. That’s not the way this admin works. Loyalty to Dear Leader is the only story.

There were some on here entertaining the fantasy that Barr was some sort of "Trojan Horse" and that he only wrote that 18 page memo to trick Trump into making him AG. Then he would actually serve justice and the American people instead of the president. I think we can safely chalk that up to wishful thinking. Barr auditioned for the job and he's doing the job he was hired to do -- protect the president. The obstruction of justice is ongoing and now it's coming from inside the Justice Dept. 

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5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

There were some on here entertaining the fantasy that Barr was some sort of "Trojan Horse" and that he only wrote that 18 page memo to trick Trump into making him AG. Then he would actually serve justice and the American people instead of the president. I think we can safely chalk that up to wishful thinking. Barr auditioned for the job and he's doing the job he was hired to do -- protect the president. The obstruction of justice is ongoing and now it's coming from inside the Justice Dept. 

That's some Q level shit.

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7 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

There were some on here entertaining the fantasy that Barr was some sort of "Trojan Horse" and that he only wrote that 18 page memo to trick Trump into making him AG. Then he would actually serve justice and the American people instead of the president. I think we can safely chalk that up to wishful thinking. Barr auditioned for the job and he's doing the job he was hired to do -- protect the president. The obstruction of justice is ongoing and now it's coming from inside the Justice Dept. 

ha, yeah, that was me, twice in the last page.  Barr is setting himself ablaze before our eyes.  Trojan horse was made of wood, amirite ?

 

look at this bullshit.  he's playing to an audience of 'one'.  he's better than this, at least better be, or he's fucked:

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That's some Q level shit.

I originally thought he was installed to protect the GOP.  What I failed to recognize was the GOP and Trump are now synonymous. The republicans are basically blowing off the democrats now and the rule of law.   They’re like “We don’t need to cooperate with you; we own the police, the military, and soon to be the courts.” 

We are so fucked. 

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